From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU  Sun Jan  3 12:40:48 1993
From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:40:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Lists...
Message-ID: <726061248.120000.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU>

I did a stupid thing, I deleted all of the lists and indexs collected from
this list (accidentally of course).  Can someone email them to me, especially
the Gladstone Index.

Thanks,


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Jan  6 09:52:47 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: 06 Jan 1993 09:52:47 +0100
Subject: Christmas cards
Message-ID: <199301060852.AA15431@athena.research.ptt.nl>

         "
Per Starback writes:

> Welcome back from Christmas vacation everyone and thanks to Andrew and
> Hannes for the Christmas "cards" sent to the list.  I didn't send a
> card because my nephews forgot to mail the card orders to the Ajax
> Card Company.

Let's say that is to blame on something that rhymes with 'Fluks'...

I think your Christmas card was exposed on a window store in Duckburg, next
to mine. For those who haven't read it there:

           +--------------+                   +--------------------+
           | Dear friend: |                   | Mijn wens in druk  |
           |   Noel!      |    or in Dutch:   | luidt: veel geluk! |
           |     The end. |                   +--------------------+
           +--------------+

...and a happy 1993 to everyone too!

--Harry.

"Oh, peel your eyes and take a peep
at how I buy ingredients cheap.
The wheels spin, the choppers fly
and out goes stuff that sells sky-high!"

(can anyone tell me where _this_ is from? I really don't know)


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Thu Jan  7 20:01:16 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: 07 Jan 1993 20:01:16 +0100
Subject: Gladstone comics list
Message-ID: <199301071901.AA00285@athena.research.ptt.nl>

The Gladstone list
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At the end of last year some people volunteered to contribute to our
Gladstone List. They asked for the issues left to be done, and the format
the list should have. I think it is best that one person coordinates
the list, me for instance (if you have problems with that, just tell me).
This could save us unnecessary double work, the use of different codes
for the same artists etc.
(Sorry I didn't start this before christmas, but I was very busy.)

Compiling the list
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      "
Volunteers are Per Starback, Hannes Faestermann, Torsten W Adair, Andrew
Krieg. Of course, more volunteers are very welcome.

I suggest the following procedure:

1. e-mail to me the Gladstone issues you are working on or are planning to
   work on in the near future.
                                                                "
   The most recent list of 'to-be-done's (according to Per Starback):

   DD    268-272, 274-277
   DDA   1, 3-4, 6-7, 9-11, 13, 15-16, 18
   DT    1-13
   MM    (Per will do these)
   US    210-214, 216-219, 221-227, 229-234, 236-238, 240
   USA   1-3, 7-8, 10-13, 18-19
   WDC   512-516, 518-525, 527-530, 532-539, 542-545
   some specials
   Albums (Andrew will convert his list)

   (BTW: I plan to make a 'Disney Comics' comics list myself; well, only
   WDC, DDA and US; well, only the issues I have)

2. e-mail to me the parts of the list that are finished (I can do
   the format conversions, if necessary. E.g. Per's Digest list, and my
   own part need some layout changes)

3. in this mail I include a list of creators (writers, artists) and title
   characters. If you find an artist/character that is not mentioned yet,
   contact me for a unique abbreviation.

4. from time to time, I will post a list of issues to be done.

5. the first version of the Gladstone list could be finished by, let's
   say, april 1993 (?).
   Before posting to the list, the authors (the people named above and
   me) could review the finished list.
   Interim versions can always be obtained from me by e-mail request, by
   anyone.
   (Parts of) the list already sent to me should not be changed without
   my knowledge.

6. If you have any problems with 1.-5., let me know. I don't want to look
   like a dictator, but we have to have some rules.
   We could continue the discussion about the format of the list after we
   have finished the first version.

The layout of the list
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For every entry we list (on fixed positions, *NOT* using TABs):

1. (position 1) Code of Gladstone issue:
        CP     Christmas Parade
        DBP    Disneyland Birthday Party
        DD     Donald Duck
        DDA    Donald Duck Adventures
        GCA    Gladstone Album
        GG     Gladstone Giant
        MD     Mickey and Donald
        US     Uncle Scrooge
        USA    Uncle Scrooge Adventures
        USGD   Uncle Scrooge Goes to Disneyland
        WDC    Walt Disney's Comics and Stories

2. (position 11) Number of pages, or
        FC = front cover
        CF = center fold
        PI = full page illustration
        IL = illustration ("the Gladstone that never was")

   A "+" indicates half a page more, so "6+" is six and a half pages.
   Number of pages is rounded to halves of pages.

3. (position 15) Code, this is the _exact_ code as seen in the story.
   If a story or cover has no code, a code can be added, e.g. if the
   original publication of a reprint is known.

4. (positions 27, 31, 35) Creators in three columns: writer, penciller,
   and inker.
   If writer not mentioned: writer unknown.
   If inker not mentioned: inker = penciler. If inker = '?': inker unknown.

   Creator + '?' means: uncertain.
   Creator + '+' means: the main creator listed wasn't alone.

5. (position 39) Title prefix and title or description.
   The title character is abbreviated, see the legend below.

   Title prefix:

   T: exact title (even a cover can have a title!)
   D: description from the contents page, if the story has no title
   O: own description, if T: and D: not available.

   Texts between [] after the title/description are comments.

Legend of title characters:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    BB      The Beagle Boys
    BR      Brer Rabbit
    C&D     Chip 'n' Dale
    CC      Clara Cluck
    DA      Daisy (Duck)
    DD      Donald Duck
    GD      Grandma Duck
    GyG     Gyro Gearloose
    GO      Goofy
    HDL     Huey, Dewey and Louie
    HtW     Hazel the Witch
    JW      Junior Woodchucks
    LBW     Li'l Bad Wolf
    MM      Mickey Mouse
    MM SSA  Mickey Mouse Super Secret Agent
    MMM     The Marvelous Mad Madam Mim
    PB      The Phantom Blot
    PL      Pluto
    SC      Scamp
    US      Uncle Scrooge / Scrooge McDuck
    WtP     Winnie the Pooh
    Wuz     The Wuzzles

    M&D     Mickey and Donald
    M&G     Mickey and Goofy

Legend of creators:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    AH      Al Hubbard
    AT	    Al Taliaferro
    BK      Bob Karp
    BMo	    Bob Moore
    BV      Ben Verhagen
    BW	    Bill Wright
    BWa     Bill Walsh
    CB	    Carl Barks
    CF      Carl Fallberg
    DB      Daniel Branca
    DC	    Don Christensen
    DCo     Del Connell
    DF      Don Ferguson
    DG      Don Gunn
    DJ      Daan Jippes
    DM	    Dick Moores
    DR      Don Rosa
    EL      Edwin Loftus
    FG	    Floyd Gottfredson
    FS	    Frank McSavage
    GL      Gary Leach
    GMa     Guido Martina
    GR	    George Roussos
    GT	    Gil Turner
    GW      George Waiss
    HB      Homer Brightman
    HE	    Harvey Eisenberg
    HKa     Hubie Karp
    HP      Hank Porter
    JB	    Jack Bradbury
    JC	    John Carey
    JCF     Jose Colomer Fonts
    JK      Jan Kruse
    JL	    John Liggera
    JLu     John Justig
    JM	    Jack Manning
    JU      John Ushler
    KC      Ken Champin
    KH      Ken Hultgren
    KW      Kay Wright
    LG      Luciano Gatto
    LH      Lee Hooper
    LM      Larry Mayer
    MGr     Marty Greim
    MN      Michel Nadorp
    MO      Morris Gollub
    MR      Mike Royer
    PA      Pete Alvarado
    PL      Phil de Lara
    PM      Paul Murry
    RG      Robert Gregory
    RM      Richard Moore
    RMi     Russ Miller
    RSc     Romano Scarpa
    RSh     Russell Schroeder
    RSt     Ruud Straatman
    RT      Riley Thompson
    SS      Steve Steere
    TO      Ted Osborne
    TS      Tony Strobl
    TT      Ted Thwaites
    TY      Tom Yakutis
    VB      Carl Von Buettner
    VR      Victor A. Rios (Vicar)
    VRe     Volker Reiche
    VRi     Vivie Risto
    WH      William Van Horn
    WK      Walt Kelly

Collaborations:
    B+H     CB + Jack Hannah
    B+R     CB + DR
    C+R     R. Cimino + RSc
    M+S     PM (Mickey and Goofy) + Dan Spiegle (the rest)
    F+S     Eric Freiwald + Robert Schaefer
    M+B     Merrill de Maris + CB
    M+J     Freddy Milton + DJ
    N+B     William F. Nolan + Charles Beaumont


Example of the list
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MD  1     FC                  DJ      O:M&D, Merry Christmas box [remake of cover to FGA 1949]
MD  1      8  WDC&S 242       PM      T:MM The Trail to Treasure
MD  1      8  FGA 1949    CB  CB      T:DD in "New Toys"
MD  1      8  FGA 1949        BW      T:MM's Christmas Surprise
MD  1      4  AR 109      DR  DR      D:DD in "Fir-Tree Fracas"


Thanks in advance for everybody's cooperation!

--Harry.

e-mail: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Jan  8 19:01:15 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: 08 Jan 1993 19:01:15 +0100
Subject: The story of a story (Darkest Africa)
Message-ID: <199301081801.AA23877@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Last july, I had an e-mail discussion with an Andrew from Australia
about the story 'Darkest Africa'. There are some facts that might be
interesting for this mailing list, so here is a modified version.

The story of a story
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I will try to explain the whole thing by giving a chronological overview.

1. In the 40s, Barks drew 22 pages "Darkest Africa", published in a
   comic called "Boys' and girls' March Of Comics". This comic was
   a so-called Giveaway. The original artwork (22 pages Barks inks)
   has been lost - Western did not store it because it was only a
   giveaway, or maybe they threw it away when they needed the
   space - so they could't use the story again for a reprint.

2. In 1981 (or so), a Dutch or Scandinavian Barks fan had a xerox
   copy of the '40s comic. Maybe it was a copy of a copy of a comic
   that belongs to an American fan. Anyway, it must have been 22
   xeroxes, black and white and on many places almost unreadable...
   The Dutch Disney editor wanted to publish _all_ Barks stories.
   They could not publish Darkest Africa, because there were no
   originals at Western, and the xerox copies they got from the fan
   were un-publishable.
   So they decided to have Daan Jippes re-ink (and often re-draw)
   the story.

   They found one panel had to be censored (apart from some textual
   changes). That panel was deleted while re-inking the story. The
   next panel was widened to fill in the space. (It is the panel
   where the cannibals are running away and the man [don't know his
   name] is saying something like "that smart-aleck better catch
   that butterfy - and soon!")

   Daan Jippes went to America in 1981 (to join the Disney studios),
   so he could not finish his re-inking. He did only pages 1
   through 4. So they got another Dutch artist, Dick Vlottes. He
   inked the rest of the story (omitting the censored panel). He is
   not a very good Disney artist. If you look very good, you can see
   the difference between pp. 1-4 and 5-22.

   This re-inked version was published in Holland in 1982 (and reprinted
   twice afterwards).

3. In the mid-80s, American publisher Another Rainbow wanted to
   publish _all_ Barks stories in The Carl Barks Library. Since
   Western did not have the story "Darkest Africa", they got a copy
   from Holland. I think they did not know that the story was
   reinked and that a panel was missing (because noone told them,
   and they never asked...).

   The American Disney Company still wanted the story to be censored
   (this was _not_ Another Rainbow's decision). So the "remaining"
   cannibals in the story got thinner lips, and some texts may be
   changed. May be the text is even re-translated from the Dutch.

4. In 1985, the missing panel was published in the Dutch comics
   fanzine "Stripschrift" (don't even try to pronounce it 8-).

5. In 1992, I asked Dutch publisher Thom Roep if he had the original
   xerox copies, that Jippes and Vlottes worked from 10 years ago.
   He said that they had vanished, disappeared, never been seen
   again...

6. In 1992, Disney Comics reprints "Darkest Africa" in color. They
   took the CBL version, _without_ further changes.

7. In september 1992, the Dutch publisher published "The complete
   Barks" in 17 books, black/white, Dutch translation. I helped them
   to get the books _really_ complete. This even meant I had to
   send _them_ a copy of the missing panel from Stripschrift!

   They also included a French copy of the page the panel was on,
   so the story must have been published in France sometime.

BTW: Jippes did some redrawing of other rare Barks stories as well,
e.g. 'Atom Bomb' and 'Race to the South Seas' (both recently
reprinted in Disney Comics).
Items 1, 2, 3 and 6 apply to these stories mostly, though no panels
are missing in these stories.
In 'Atom Bomb', Another Rainbow re-insterted some original Barks
panels in the Jippes version.
In 'South Seas', the Dutch origin can be spotted on a panel where
Donald's boat is identified as 'Kwaak', which is the Dutch word
for 'Quack'. This is only in the CBL version: the word 'Kwaak'
is omitted in the Disney Comics version.

---end---
(are you still there?)

Conclusion: the two Dutch members of this list have some Barks
artwork that is NOT in the Carl Barks Library! Nyaah nyaah! 8-)

--Harry.


From starback at csd.uu.se  Sat Jan  9 01:39:14 1993
From: starback at csd.uu.se (Per Starb\dck)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:39:14 +0100
Subject: Darkest Africa --- textual changes
In-Reply-To: Harry Fluks's message of 08 Jan 1993 19:01:15 +0100 <199301081801.AA23877@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <199301090039.AA29035@meryl.csd.uu.se>

As an appendix to what Harry told us about Darkest Africa (thanks!),
here are all the textual changes in the version published in the Carl
Barks Library (as compared to a bunch of photocopies of the original
I have).  As you can see, the changes are there to make the story less
racist and to not make the natives cannibals.  (Instead there are made
into head shrinkers!)

* 5:1 (= page 5, panel 1)
The "TAXI" on the taxi has disappeared.  (Pretty unimportant, but I
try to list all changes.)

* 6:4
Donald: KNOW YOU THE VOICE OF THE DRUMS, FUZZY WUZZY?
 "FUZZY WUZZY" -> "MUJAZ"

* 14:7
McFiendy: HMM!  THERE MUST BE A NATIVE VILLAGE AROUND HERE WHERE I CAN
HIRE SOME *CANNIBALS!*
 "CANNIBALS" -> "ASSISTANCE"

* 15:2
text box: WHILE DONALD CHASES THE BUTTERFLY, PROF. McFIENDY MAKES A
DEAL WITH SOME VERY ROUGH SAVAGES!
 "SAVAGES" -> "NATIVES"

McFiendy: NOW, YOU GENTS UNDERSTAND--- FOR TWO FALSE TEETH YOU'RE TO
CAPTURE THESE FAT JUICY LITTLE BOYS AND HOLD THEM UNTIL I TELL YOU TO
LET THEM GO!
 "FALSE TEETH" -> "CONFEDERATE DOLLARS"
 "FAT JUICY" deleted.

* 15:3
This is the deleted panel showing two cannibals licking their lips.
one of the cannibals: YA!  AND IF YOU NO TELL US BY MOONRISE, WE
*EATUM!*  YUM!  YUM!

* 15:8 (that is panel 7 in CBL)
a native: BEGGUM PARDON, BUT FAT JUICY BOYS NO GO HOME!  FAT JUICY
BOYS COME WITH US!
 -> "BEG PARDON, BUT LITTLE BOYS ARE NOT GOING HOME!  LITTLE BOYS ARE
     COMING WITH US!"

* 17:8
McFiendy: TRADED THEM TO SOME CANNIBALS FOR YOUR *BUTTERFLY!*
 "CANNIBALS" -> "LOCAL COLLECTORS"

* 18:1
McFiendy: AND YOU CAN GIVE ME YOUR BUTTERFLY IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR
NEPHEWS EATEN!
 "EATEN" -> "HEADS SHRUNK"

* 18:2
Donald: SHOW ME YOUR CANNIBALS!
 "CANNIBALS" -> "SHRINKERS"

* 18:3
McFiendy: THERE ARE YOUR NEPHEWS, AND THERE IS THE STEWPOT!
 "STEWPOT" -> "HEADMAN"
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "I vill rebort you to der United Nations!"



From starback at csd.uu.se  Sat Jan  9 10:06:51 1993
From: starback at csd.uu.se (Per Starb\dck)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:06:51 +0100
Subject: Just the Classics
Message-ID: <199301090906.AA00472@meryl.csd.uu.se>

I quote Bill Hayes from The Comics List Weekly, Vol. 3 No. 1:

| It's been very gratifying to learn that Gladstone will once again be
| publishing Disney-related characters.  Remembering that Gladstone did
| once publish DuckTales, I rather stupidly sent a note to longtime duck
| artist Don Rosa to learn if Gladstone would be picking up Disney comics
| based on current film and video projects.  I got my ears pinned back,
| and since I spoke from ignorance, I probably deserved it.  From what
| Don Rosa says, Gladstone will be publishing stories about Mickey,
| Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge, Goofy, and their supporting characters. We
| WILL NOT be seeing DarkWing Duck, LaunchPad McQuack, and other such
| characters in the pages of Uncle Scrooge.  In fact, says Don, Mickey
| won't even appear in the same story as Donald.  They're from different
| universes, declares Don.  And since he's been doing Disney characters
| for years, he should know.
|
| And who will get these characters?  Marvel, if anyone does, perhaps for
| one-shots and movie tie-ins.  Since Disney had diffculty selling comics
| like DuckTales and Roger Rabbit, it's a good bet we won't be seeing any
| new stories for these characters and others.   Reprints anyone?
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Tue Jan 12 13:54:01 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:54:01 +0100
Subject: Darkest Africa --- textual changes
Message-ID: <199301121254.AA16384@athena.research.ptt.nl>

         "
Per Starback wrote:

> As an appendix to what Harry told us about Darkest Africa (thanks!),
> here are all the textual changes in the version published in the Carl
> Barks Library (as compared to a bunch of photocopies of the original
> I have).

Where do these photocopies come from? Are they published somewhere? Or are
you the 'Scandinavian Barks fan' that delivered these copies to the 
Dutch editor in the first place? 8-)

(...)

>  "I vill rebort you to der United Nations!"

Does a "Brofessor from Rotterdam" really sound like this, in your non-Dutch
ears?

--Harry.


From starback at csd.uu.se  Wed Jan 13 00:45:36 1993
From: starback at csd.uu.se (Per Starb\dck)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:45:36 +0100
Subject: Darkest Africa + Yet Another New Rosa + A Barks interview
In-Reply-To: Harry Fluks's message of 12 Jan 1993 13:54:01 +0100 <199301121254.AA16384@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <199301122345.AA25647@meryl.csd.uu.se>

Harry Fluks wrote:
> Where do these photocopies [of Barks's story "Darkest Africa"] come
> from? Are they published somewhere? Or are you the 'Scandinavian
> Barks fan' that delivered these copies to the Dutch editor in the
> first place? 8-)

I think I bought mine from Comico, a mail-order firm in Sweden that
sold Disney comics.  Besides new and old books and magazines they also
sold photocopies of some (then) really rare Barks stories, like
"Christmas Carol", the Milkman story, "Darkest Africa", "The Firebug",
the "unpublished" pages of "Trick Or Treat" and "Back to Klondike" and
maybe one or two things besides that.  (I guess they didn't have any
right to do that, but I didn't mind.  It's almost ten years ago btw.)

I guess the copies the Dutch editor got came from the same copy of the
original comic book with "Darkest Africa", but I don't know.

>>  "I vill rebort you to der United Nations!"
> Does a "Brofessor from Rotterdam" really sound like this, in your non-Dutch
> ears?

I don't think I've listened to many brofessors from Rotterdam, so I
really wouldn't know.  The quoted one was a fake anyhow, as you know.
(For you who haven't read it: of course the quote was from that very
story, "Darkest Africa".)

Since I'm writing to the list anyway I might mention that the current
issue of the Scandinavian Disney books contains part four of Don
Rosa's "Life of Scrooge" series, "The King of the Copper Hill".  This
is about the days that Scrooge told the boys of in Barks's "Only a
Poor Old Man" (1952):

  "And this dollar---1882!  I got that in Montana where I punched cows
   while I looked for a homestead!  The other Waddies laughed at me
   when I filed on a claim that was all mountains and rocks!  But I'd
   poked around, and I knew that under that scrubby grass was
   one-third of the world's known *copper!*"

And still another thing.  When I mentioned news from The Duckburg
Times I forgot to mention that it mentions that Panels #2 is still in
print.  $6 (plus $3 postage/handling) from: John Benson 205 W. 80th
Street #2B New York NY 10024.  Maybe someone is interested?  It is a
comics fanzine from 1981 which contains an interview with Carl Barks
(by Edward Summer) with plenty of illustrations, including some old
risque cartoons from The Calgary Eye-Opener and the then-new
watercolours called "Famous Figures of History as They Might Have
Looked Had Their Genes Gotten Mixed Up with Waterfowl", including
"Long, Ben, Arch Pirate" (cover), "Hiawatha" and "Buffalo Bill Cooty",
all in colour.  A bit expensive though (cover price was $2.95).
Non-Disney contents: Jesse Marsh remembered by Alex Toth; Harvvey
Kurtzman's war tales analyzed.
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Them was the days when drawing was *fun!*, eh?"


From starback at csd.uu.se  Fri Jan 15 13:58:29 1993
From: starback at csd.uu.se (Per Starb\dck)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 13:58:29 +0100
Subject: ftp archive + index of old Disney books
Message-ID: <199301151258.AA01584@meryl.csd.uu.se>

There is now an ftp archive for this mailing list.  Look at
ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney!  (If you don't know how to use
ftp, feel free to ask me.  And if ftp isn't available to you, ask me
to mail you the files you want instead.)

This is the README I just put there:

! This archive contains information about Disney comics, most of it
! coming from the Disney comics mailing list.
!
! If you want to join that mailing list, write to
! disney-comics-request at student.docs.uu.se.
!
! If you have any questions, additions, comments or corrections of the
! contents of this directory, please tell Per Starback, whose email
! address is starback at student.docs.uu.se.
!
! Descriptions of the files here:
!
! don-rosa-index          An index of Don Rosa's Disney stuff
! gladstone-barks         An index of Carl Barks stories in Gladstone's books.
! recurring-characters    A list of recurring Disney characters
!                         (not only from comics).
! story-codes             An explanation of the "story codes", often
!                         shown in the first panel of a comic book story.
!
!  * And here follows Kjell Crone's indices on classical American Disney
!    books.  An explanation of the abbreviations is needed.  I'll
!    include one as soon as I've done it.
!
! fc.index        Four Colors (1st and 2nd series)
!                 DDOS, USOS and MMOS are *not* included.  (They are in
!                 dd.index, us.index, and mm.index respectively.)
!                 There are also some other odd books here, at the end.
!
! dd.index        Donald Duck Oneshots + Donald Duck, up to #134.
!
! mm.index        Mickey Mouse Oneshots + Mickey Mouse, up to #84.
!                 (I.e., all the Dell issues.)
!
! us.index        Uncle Scrooge Oneshots + Uncle Scrooge, up to #75.
!
! giants.index    Dell Giants.
!
! wdc.index       Walt Disney Comics & Stories #1-67, very incomplete.
!
!  * Soon to appear: a complete index of Gladstone's Disney comic books.

1. I put some of the stuff from this mailing list that I had easily
available in updated files there, but I didn't think much about what
should go there.  Is there anything else I should put there?

2. As you can see Kjell Crone's indices that I mentioned in December
have arrived.  I will do a better explanation of them later, but
most of the records look like this:

> 06  5* US TS THE LAST LAUGH        KA 623702
                                     ^Swedish publication
               ^Title. (In all-caps if there really was a title)
            ^artist (this is Tony Strobl)
        ^title character (this is Uncle Scrooge)
      ^number of pages. (This is five full pages and a partial page)
  ^This is the sixth story in that book.
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"

PS: Is anyone doing anything on the Gladstone index?  I'm ready with
Mickey Mouse, but I haven't sent the result to Harry yet.  You'll get
it soon...


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Thu Jan 21 23:51:16 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:51:16 +0100
Subject: Legend for Kjell Crone's Indices
Message-ID: <9301212251.AA28412@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

Here is a legend for Kjell Crone's Indices that I put on
ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney.  I made it myself, so there may
be any number of faults in it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For every book there is one line for every story in the book.  That
line contains Index, Pages, Title Character, Artist, Title, and
Publications, in that order.

* Index

This is 01, 02, etc. for the stories.

Sometimes there are different versions of the same book, where one
version has more stories than another.  E.g., there are two versions
of DD 45, one with gag pages by Carl Barks on the inside front cover
and inside back cover, and one version with ads on those pages.  That
isn't indicated in these indices, and the stories are numbered
according to their positions in the version of the book with the most
number of stories.  Sometimes there is *another* (shorter) story in
the "ad version" of the book, as in FC 1247, where the seventh story
either is a full-page gag, or a half-page gag (with an ad taking up
the remaining half-page).  In those cases the story in the "ad
version" of the book has a trailing "a", so that would be story "07a".

FC = front cover, BC = back cover, and other full-page illustrations
at the beginning or the end of the book are called FD, FE, ... or BD,
BE, ... respectively.  Various illustrations and other stuff that
aren't comics inside the books sometimes get codes beginning with "p"
and then a page number, and sometimes they aren't listed.

One-page text stories with one illustration at the top are numbered as
the comics stories, and not indicated in any special way, though.

* Pages

This is the number of pages for the story.  A trailing "*" indicates
an extra page that isn't full.  If the story is less than one whole
page it's shown as a fraction instead.

* Title Character

AD	Daisy Duck's Diary (but sometimes just DA is used)
AN	Daisy's Nieces / April, May, and June
AW	Alice in Wonderland
BI	Bambi
BO	Bongo
BR	Brer Rabbit
BU	Bucky Bug
BW	Big Bad Wolf
CC	Clara Cluck
CD	Chip 'n' Dale
CH	Captain Hook
CI	Cinderella
CJ	Casey Jr.
CL	Clarabelle
DA	Daisy Duck (sometimes also used for Daisy Duck's Diary)
DD	Donald Duck
DN	Donald's Nephews / Huey, Dewey, and Louie
DT	??? (Appears in DDBP 5.)
DU	Dumbo
DV	Li'l Davy
DW	Dim-Witty
FD	Family Duck (only for covers)
FM	Family Mouse (only for covers)
GD	Grandma Duck
GG	Gyro Gearloose
GI	Gilbert
GJ	Gus and Jaq (see also JG!)
GL	Gladstone Gander
GO	Goofy
GU	Gus Goose
JC	Jiminy Cricket
JG	Jack and Gus (see also GJ!)
LD	Ludwig Von Drake
LH	Little Hiawatha
LJ	Lumpjaw
LT	Lady and the Tramp
LW	Li'l Bad Wolf
MA	Mad Madam Mim
MD	Moby Duck
MF	Morty and Ferdie
MI	Minnie
MM	Mickey Mouse
OG	??? (Appears in SS 1-6.)
PI	Pinocchio
PL	Pluto
PP	Peter Pan
RH	Robin Hood
SB	Sleeping Beauty
SC	Scamp
SD	The Seven Dwarfs
SW	Snow White
TB	Tinker Bell
TH	Thumper
TI	Timothy
TP	Three Little Pigs
UR	Uncle Remus
US	Uncle Scrooge / Scrooge McDuck

Several characters are sometimes joined with "+".

* Artist

AH	Al Hubbard
AT	Al Taliaferro
BG	Bob Grant
BW	Bill Wright
CB	Carl Barks
DG	Don Gunn
DM	Dick Moores
FA	Fred Abranz
FG	Floyd Gottfredson
FS	Frank McSavage
GT	Gil Turner
HE	Harvey Eisenberg
IT	Irving Tripp
JB	Jack Bradbury
JH	Jack Hannah
JM	Jack Manning (I think that's what it supposed to stand for,
		but all JM stories here are drawn by Stan Walsh,
		according to Becattini's Disney Index Vol. 1.
JS?	??? (Appears in WDCP 3.)
KH	Ken Hultgren
Kn	??? (Appears in DDBP 1 and SS 1.)
LH	Lee Hooper
MG	Manuel Gonzales
MO	Morris Gollub
PA	Pete Alvarado
PL	Phil de Lara
PM	Paul Murry
RA	Roger Armstrong
RG	Robert Gregory
RT	Riley Thompson
TS	Tony Strobl
VB	Carl (Von) Buettner
WK	Walt Kelly
ph	(a photography)

* Title

Titles in ALL CAPS are actual titles taken from the comic books, other
titles are "descriptive titles".

Newspaper comics that are edited into a comic book format sometimes
have the copyright year before of after the title, as "'41 WHERE
THERE'S SMOKE" or "Secret invention ('41)", and sometimes the whole
date is there as in "2-9-41 TRAPPED".

Sometimes there is no title except for the date(s), as in
"KF 9-1-46--10-6-46".

* Publications

If the story is a reprint this shows the origin, with "=" followed by
the code of original comic book as given below followed with the index
of that story in that book, as given in this index.

DD	= Donald Duck
DDBP	= Donald Duck Beach Party
DDFB	= Donald Duck Fun Book
DDID	= Donald Duck in Disneyland
FC	= Four Color
gkWDCP	= Walt Disney's Christmas Parade (Gold Key)
GIANT	= Dell Giant
PPTC	= Peter Pan Treasure Chest
SS	= Silly Symphonies
US	= Uncle Scrooge
VID	= Vacation in Disneyland
WDC	= Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
WDCP	= Walt Disney's Christmas Parade (Dell)
XID	= Christmas in Disneyland

For newspaper comics edited for publication sometimes the date
the (partial) date is shown here, like "(c 1941)", "XX-XX-55", or
"KF 5-14-39".  More often that is in the title instead.

Most of the time the Publication column is used to show Swedish
(first) publication of the stories:

JFJ	= Jag, Farbror Joakim
JKA	= Jag, Kalle Anka
KA	= Kalle Anka & C:o
KAB	= Kalle Ankas B{stisar
KAJ	= Kalle Anka Guldbok
KAJK	= Kalle Anka Julkul
KAP	= Kalle Ankas Pocket
KASL	= Kalle Anka Sommarlov
KAVK	= Kalle Anka Vinterkul
MPJP	= Musse Pigg Jubelpartaj
SLX	= Sportlovsextra
VKK	= Vi tv} --- Kajsa & Kalle
VKFT	= Vi, Knatte, Fnatte, Tjatte
WDG	= Walt Disneys Godbitar
WDK	= Walt Disneys Klassiker
WDP	= 
WDS	= Walt Disneys Serier
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Fri Jan 22 00:44:30 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:44:30 +0100
Subject: "New" Barks stories
Message-ID: <9301212344.AA29236@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

I recently bought some old (50's) Swedish Disney books, something I
haven't done for a long time.  I got a really strange feeling when I
found a ten-pager by Barks there that I've never read before.  It was
WDC 174 (Donald delivers mail on ice) which hasn't been reprinted in
Sweden since then, which is in one of the CBL sets that I don't have,
and which Gladstone never printed, so it has escaped me totally up to
now.  I have never bothered to tick off what Barks stories I have, and
which ones I lack, but I *thought* that I had them all, or at least
have read them all, in one way or another, at least everything longer
than one page.  (Except Porky of the Mounties, but that's not Disney
anyhow...)

I wonder if there are more unknown treats out there for me?  What
about everyone else on the list?  Are you still seeing most of Barks's
stories for the first time when you see them, or are you as surprised
as I was when you see something you don't recognize?
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Jan 27 18:01:41 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:01:41 +0100
Subject: "New" Barks stories
Message-ID: <199301271701.AA11578@athena.research.ptt.nl>

         "
Per Starback writes:

> (...) I have never bothered to tick off what Barks stories I have, and
> which ones I lack, but I *thought* that I had them all, or at least
> have read them all, in one way or another, at least everything longer
> than one page.

I thought every Barks fan would have made a Barks checklist.. 
I have, and I know exactly which stories I have and which I don't.

I can even recognise most of the stories when seeing only one panel of it...

Of most stories I don't have, I have at least seen a copy in a store (I 
don't have the Carl Barks Library, but I browsed in it a lot when it was
for sale). The only Barks things I don't have now, are:
- most of the 'script only' stories (loup garou, junior woodchucks)
- most of the 'barney bear and benny burro' stories.
All the other things I have read at least 20 times... I was glad when Don Rosa
started making stories: finally some *new* stories in the Barks quality.

> (Except Porky of the Mounties, but that's not Disney
> anyhow...)

This means you have a copy of all the 'Our Gang' (bear) stories of Barks?

----x----
[Next thing is Barks, but NOT Disney. So if you think it should not be on
this list: skip it]

BTW: some of the non-Disney Barks comics are reprinted in 'Tom and Jerry'
(Harvey publ.) The Happy Hound stories, and some of the oldest (Barney
Bear &) Benny Burro stories. Apparently, they stopped reprinting Barks, 
for I have not seen any Barks story in recent issues.

One of the Happy Hound stories, "Mother is a wolf's best friend", is 
reprinted with new lettering and a new title: "Hugo Hound". 
I think it is re-translated from some other language: maybe German? 
(Hugo sounds German...)

Any clues?

--Harry.


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Fri Jan 29 10:45:47 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 10:45:47 +0100
Subject: "New" Barks stories + Barney Bear
In-Reply-To: Harry Fluks's message of 27 Jan 1993 18:01:41 +0100 <199301271701.AA11578@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <9301290945.AA29393@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

I wrote that I recently found a Barks story I've never read before,
and didn't know I hadn't read.

Harry> I thought every Barks fan would have made a Barks checklist.. 
Harry> I have, and I know exactly which stories I have and which I don't.

I guess I simplified truth a little, because I *have* made such lists
a couple of times, but every time it became hopelessly out-of-date
after a while as I forgot to enter new stuff in it when I got it.

me> (Except Porky of the Mounties, but that's not Disney
me> anyhow...)

> This means you have a copy of all the 'Our Gang' (bear) stories of
> Barks?

Yes, they were all published in Swedish "Tom & Jerry" some years ago.
(And now they are published again in album form by Carl Barks fan (and
lots of other things) Horst Schr"oder.

> [Next thing is Barks, but NOT Disney. So if you think it should not be on
> this list: skip it]

As far as I'm concerned anything by Barks is interesting when talking
about Disney comics, even when it isn't Disney.  (But of course I don't
know what the silent majority of the list is interested in.
Opinions?)

> BTW: some of the non-Disney Barks comics are reprinted in 'Tom and Jerry'
> (Harvey publ.) The Happy Hound stories, and some of the oldest (Barney
> Bear &) Benny Burro stories. Apparently, they stopped reprinting Barks, 
> for I have not seen any Barks story in recent issues.

Do you know what stories were published in what issues?  I have them
in Swedish, as I said, but I'd like to have all Barks in English.  (I
regret I didn't get the Barks Bear Book which reprinted all Barks's
non-Disney comics.)
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se  Fri Jan 29 11:41:25 1993
From: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 11:41:25 +0100
Subject: "New" Barks stories
Message-ID: <9301291041.AA17023@euas53c28.eua.ericsson.se>


Per Starback...

> I recently bought some old (50's) Swedish Disney books, something I
> haven't done for a long time.  I got a really strange feeling when I
> found a ten-pager by Barks there that I've never read before.  It was
> WDC 174 (Donald delivers mail on ice) which hasn't been reprinted in
> Sweden since then,

This was reprinted in issue 3 of 1987, under the title "Isb}t till
B{ver|n".

> I have never bothered to tick off what Barks stories I have, and
> which ones I lack, but I *thought* that I had them all, or at least
> have read them all, in one way or another, at least everything longer
> than one page.

There is a fine Barks index in the Swedish price guide of 1991.
It's sorted by the stories' original U.S. appearances, so it should
be quite easy to tick off the ones you haven't read yet. It also
includes his non-Disney work. U.S. titles are omitted, unfortunately.

> I wonder if there are more unknown treats out there for me?  What
> about everyone else on the list?  Are you still seeing most of Barks's
> stories for the first time when you see them, or are you as surprised
> as I was when you see something you don't recognize?

I've read the majority of them, but there are however several stories
that I haven't. Firstly, there are a few ones that for some reason
haven't been reprinted since their original Swedish printing. Some
of these were originally printed as far back as in 1950, and those
will cost you an *obscene* amount of money to obtain. Secondly, I
gave up on the Swedish Donald books in 1978, and there have been
quite a few reprints there since then -- and even some stories never
printed in Swedish before. These are the main reasons for my 'blank
spots' (yup, I mainly do my Disney reading in Swedish).

The choice between getting a reprint from say, 1982, and its original
printing from 1954 is a rather delicate one, btw. Those old issues just
look and feel *so* much better, but boy, will they cost you...
And you always have the suspicion that the rare old gem you just spent big
$ to obtain will be reprinted very soon. Hmm -- perhaps it's better to
use flipism in such situations.

Another thing about those old fifties Swedish Disney books is that
there are no ads in them, except for other Disney publications, which
by today's standards is quite extraordinary. I think ads started
to appear sometime in the late fifties. Anyone knows more exactly?


