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	Don Rosa		+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #142.

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Date: 29 Oct 93 20:59:18 EDT
From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM>
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #142.

Only comment on #142:
Mattias:  No, I really didn't investigate the climate around Eureka
much. It'll just hafta do. 
	And you say it didn't snow in LA when you were there. I've only
been there ONE time in 1989 when Disney TV flew me out for conferences
on the creation of that TALE SPIN series I was briefly involved in
before I found that Egmont had sue of me. But when I was there it SNOWED
HEAVILLY. Several inches on the ground! First time since 1947 that there
was snow in Hollywood, and I saw it. Actually, not much fell at the
hotel I was staying in town, but when the Disney producer pulled up out
front to pick me up, his car was covered with several inches of snow
from just a few miles away -- and I thought the hotel staff was going to
collectively pass out. I mean, imagine, the first snowfall in over 40
years.

	Anyway, before I leave, what parting thoughts might I have. I
can say that I did the cover for Gladstone's issue of U$ with part 1 of
my "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" and yesterday I went over the
coloring of that story with the colorist. And the last thing I did today
was send off the new cover for the same chapter of the series which will
be appearing in a new German album publication which will probably be
titles "THE DON ROSA LIBRARY" unless saner heads prevail. This will be a
companion to their CARL BARKS LIBRARY, and why not, since they won't
hafta pay me any royalties either!

	And with that bit of bragging, I now disappear for one week.

	POP!


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(End of digest.)


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Mon Nov  1 09:40:40 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1993 09:40:40 +0100
Subject: Disney-comics digest #143.
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Sat, 30 Oct 1993 22:43:02 -0400" <9310310243.AA17830@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>
Message-ID: <01H4SP8OOCT0BTS0AJ@castor.ldc.lu.se>

"Maybe I'm wrong... but in 1990, the only hardback "library"
books I saw were the Abbeville/Mondadori books and a Gottfredson
reprint series, MICKYS KLASSIKER.  Since then has someone begun
publishing translations of the CBL... I don't mean just some
collection of all-Barks stories, but in Another Rainbow's format?  If
so, why aren't ads for the thing in Ehapa's regular comics?  (They
weren't as of last summer.)" ...said/asked David Gerstein.

I don't know about Germany, but in Scandinavia there has so far been no attempt
to translate/lift the CBL, either directly or as a concept (with the kind of
exception of Horst Schr|ders older Barks/Gottfradson projects; but I suppose
you knew about them).

There is however two kinds of nothing-but-Barks publications in Sweden: the
"Kalle Ankas B{stisar" series (translates as approx.: "Donald Duck's Favvies"),
which is an album format soft-cover series that's been running for at least 15
or 20 years or something like that. Also there are the "Guldb|ckerna" (The
Golden Books), subtitled "Gamla, goda {ventyr av Carl Barks" (Good Old Stories
by CB). These are hardcover, comic-BOOK format and often includes rare or
never-before translated material, nicely translated, coloured and printed.
Neither series have any chronological ambitions.

Thought you'd like to know...

Mattias


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Mon Nov  1 13:15:54 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1993 13:15:54 +0100
Subject: Old stuff
Message-ID: <01H4SYF0QMISBTS16Q@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Quack, quack! to one and all!!!

Over the last couple of weeks there's been a few letters to and discussions on
this list that I haven't had the time to get involved in until now; so here are
some comments to the backlog in my "ANSWERMAIL" folder:

THE SEXUAL DUCK(S)...

I don't know how much of what Even Flood translated from Norwegian paper
"Dagbladet" actually reflects Geir's attempts at analyzing Donald's "secret"
sex-life; or if the paper, as papers are wont to do, misunderstood and/or
garbled the intended message - anyhow, I certainly DON'T agree with Geir's
analysis as it was presented on this list!

I accept as the basis for this kind of analysis that the ducks procreate
sexually - i.e. that they DO have mothers and fathers. The fact that this is
not shown in the comics doesn't make duck sex-life "secret", however. That
Donald has some kind of sexual urges would seem logical in this context, if
nothing else because that would be less remarkable than the opposite; and that
he is interested in girls on some kind of level would seem evident from the
fact that he regularly engages in at least the outer rituals of courtship, like
dating, and that he seems able to feel jealous. This is however, to my mind,
about the extent of what we can learn about these matters from the comics of
Carl Barks!

Before I defend this statement, I must make some amends: in 1988 I wrote an
article, "Sexual Crisis of a He-Duck", that was subsequently translated and
published in the German journal "Der Donaldist". This article was an attempt at
psychoanalysis of Donald Duck based on WDC 101, "Terrible Nightmares". It had
it's good points, I think myself, and was not badly written; BUT today I no
longer think I should have written it as it stands, if indeed at all. It was
intended to spoof the kind of psychoanalytical approach that it uses, but I am
alas not familiar enough with such matters, were even less so then; and thus I
pitifully fail at my objective. What I am about to write, Geir, therefore
applies just as much to what I am guilty of myself, as it does to your
statements in the "Dagbladet".

Geir: one of your major misconceptions, in my opinion, is of what should and
does constitute "adult" subject matter in a comic book, and in connection with
this your notion that Barks' comics was originally intended for an adult
audience. The latter is, I would say, completely wrong, even by Barks' own
statements. His comics were exclusively made for the comic book market, which
in it's turn was aimed at CHILDREN. The newspaper strips of, e.g., Taliaferro
and Gottfredson is another matter - the newspapers themselves were of course
primarily adult reading, and there was, I believe, no doubt at the time that
the daily comic strips were read by young and old alike. But this is not true
for Barks!

Now, your interpretations of the sexual content in Barks'  duck comics can
basically be viewed from three different, equally possible perspectives:

a) they are the conscious effort of Barks to make statements at the
allegorical/symbolical level about sex in general and duck-sex in particular.
If this is true, your analysis (and mine in that dratted article) is
defendable;

b) they do, without any intent on Barks' part, reflect his subconscious - i.e.
they have something to tell us, not about the sexual attitudes of Donald Duck,
but of Carl Barks. This is of course entirely POSSIBLE, but how do you  think
Barks himself would feel about such an attempt at "shrinking" him? This is the
perspective I myself like the least, and it's because of these ramifications
that I now disapprove of my own article, too. I think it would be both RUDE and
also unscientific to try to psychoanalyse Barks as a sexual being on the basis
of comic books for children, made from 25 to 50 years ago;

c) they are projections of your (and in my case, my) dirty mind - what we
have been analyzing is with some probability, as is often enough I believe the
case, nothing but ourselves!

Now, I agree readily enough that Barks as a private person, and of course
during his tenure at "The Calgary Eye Opener", has often enough given examples
to show that he, too, could be dirty-minded (I use the word "dirty", not
because I think sex or related matters are actually just that, but because it
is the common expression for sexual jokes and innuendos) when he had a mind to,
but I don't believe that he intentionally carried that into his duck stories,
with the POSSIBLE exception of the abduction sequence in "Back to the Klondike"
which I also think has undertones of sexual tension between $crooge and Goldie.
IF this was intended by Barks, or if it is once again nothing more than what we
chose to read into it, I don't know. Your other examples, Geir, you'll have to
pardon the expression; but I find them unequivocal at best or (the "phallic"
interpretations in particular) even downright silly! Sorry!!!

Another thing, Geir, about this "Duck Comics Should Be For Adults" thing. I
don't see what is the problem with aiming comics primarily at children. Barks
did that, too. The (possible, almost certain) difference between him and the
policies of the Disney Corporation or e.g. Egmont, is that he never tried to
talk down to the kids, but rather tried to make stories that would satisfy
himself. I think this is one of the reasons his work still appeals to so many
of us, adults and children alike. The same thing could be said about any number
of writers of childrens books, for instance, of musicians and what-have-you.

I could go on, but for the time, this'll have to be it. And Geir: no personal
offence intended, I assure you! I just don't agree with some of the things you
have seemed to say recently; and I'm very eager to hear what you think about
all this.

Me best ta all o' ye!

Mattias Hallin


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Tue Nov  2 00:45:32 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 00:45:32 +0100
Subject: Index Help, please.
In-Reply-To: Torsten Wesley Adair's message of Sun, 31 Oct 1993 13:27:33 -0600 (CST) <Pine.3.05.9310311333.A18317-9100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>
Message-ID: <9311012345.AA18141@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

Torsten:
> [...]  Unfortunately, all I remember is that the address is
> "lysator something".  Could somebody please tell me the ftp address?  Is
> there a gopher, also?

ftp.lysator.liu.se.  No gopher.  (That is, there is a gopher service
at lysator, but the disney-comics archive is not reachable from it.)
--
Per


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Tue Nov  2 01:47:53 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 19:47:53 -0500
Subject: The Calgary Eye-Opener
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 02 Nov 93 01:19:17 +0100
Message-ID: <9311020047.AA26960@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	Mattias said that "during his tenure at "The Calgary Eye
Opener", [Barks] has often enough given examples to show that he, too,
could be dirty-minded".

	I'll say... and what's more, those cartoons resemble the work
of Dr. Seuss as much as they do those of the later Barks DD comics!  I
believe Seuss also began his career doing such cartoons -- is it known
if the two crossed paths?

	I was very surprised that the Disney corporation allowed
extensive reprints of those Eye-Opener cartoons in its comics in 1991.
I was delighted to see them, of course!  But given that a few showing
nude or nearly-nude female forms got in there, I'm surprised Bob
Foster got away with it!

	(Has Gladstone ever thought about printing some more of those
cartoons, I wonder?  Or did Disney print all those that their
management considered "safe" enough to use?)

	Barks is still at it... one of those sculptures he's done
for AR depicts that very painting where Donald's reading "Playduk" --
yep, the one that Geir had in that article about the uncensored duck.
And from what I hear Barks painted a naked centerfold on the inside of
the magazine (which wasn't visible in the painting).  It'll be
interesting to see if that centerfold is a human or a duck...

	Well, that's all for now.  Sudden drop in the activity in
these digests, and just *why* is to me, unknown.  I'm anxious to hear
a review of USA 23...

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein

	"More!  More!  I'm still not satisfied!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>




From krieg at ct.med.ge.com  Tue Nov  2 02:27:16 1993
From: krieg at ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 19:27:16 CST
Subject: Gladstone Comics Poop
Message-ID: <9311020127.AA24209@landru.med.ge.com>


I just got the latest newsletter from my comics subscription company.  They
had the following review in their "Books You Should Not Miss" section.

Uncle Scrooge #285 - If you're a fan of Uncle Scrooge or just want to read
		     a darn good story, don't miss this issue.  This month
		     marks the beginning of the serialization of Don Rosa's
		     "Life of Scrooge."  Rosa is considered by many to be the
		     best duck artist since Carl Barks, and this may be
		     Rosa's best work yet.  The "Life of Scrooge" series is
		     presented in 12 chapters, with each installment running
		     15-28 pages.  Rosa will provide a new cover for each of
		     the 12 issues as well as commnetary about each chapter.
		     The initial installment, which runs 15 pages, shows
		     Scrooge's life as a youngster in Scotland and how he got
		     his first dime.  The history of Scrooge has never been
		     revealed before and I can't think of anyone better to
		     tell the story than Don Rosa.

There is also the following regular comics listings for books available in
February.

Donald Duck Adventures #25 - "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End," a 20-page
			adventure by Dutch artist Ben Verhagen, is the
			featured story this issue.  Follow Donald and the
			kids as they try to unearth an Asiatic treasure for
			Uncle Scrooge.

That sounds interesting.  Any of our Dutch readers care to comment on this one?

Uncle Scrooge #285 - Beginning this issue and continuing over the next two
			years, Gladstone reprints Don Rosa's anxiously
			awaited "Life of Scrooge" series - previously
			published in Europe - one chapter each issue for 12
			issues.  The first chapter details Scrooge's life as
			a young duck in Scotland, his dreams of riches and
			the acquisition of his "first dime."

2 years!!!  Aaaaaaaargggggh!  That's way too long, IMHO.  Make it monthly!!

WDC&S #590 - "High Flying Picnic" by Daan Jippes tells of Donald's ill-fated
			attempts to woo Daisy during a hot-air balloon
			outing.  Also featured is the final chapter of "The
			World of Tomorrow," a Mickey Mouse tale of post-war
			anxiety by Bill Walsh and Floyd Gottfredson.

Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color Vol. 1 - This new
			full-color paperback series reprints Carl Barks' Duck
			stories from the original Dell "Donald Duck"
			four-color and regular series books, as well as
			selected tales from other sources.  Each book in the
			series comes with a trading card depicting a scene
			from a story in the accompanying book.  These cards
			will not be sold separately or in sets.  The first
			book features "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold", from
			"Donald Duck Four Color #9," Barks' classic
			collaboration with fellow artist Jack Hannah and his
			first official Donald Duck adventure.

Anyone know how many volumes in this series?  Is it monthly as well?  Between
that and the "CBL of WDC&S" I'll be shelling out mucho Duck dollars monthly
over the next few years.  And when they do the irregular special (like Xmas
tales, or Gyro), it'll go even higher!!

Carl Barks' Library of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in Color Vol. 25 -
			Reprints WDC&S #160-164.


From mas at cs.bu.edu  Tue Nov  2 04:35:31 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 22:35:31 -0500
Subject: Uncle Scrooge Adventures 23
In-Reply-To: <9311020047.AA26960@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> (message from David A Gerstein on Mon, 01 Nov 93 19:47:53 -0500)
Message-ID: <9311020335.AA09073@csa.bu.edu>

David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu> writes:
>	Well, that's all for now.  Sudden drop in the activity in
>these digests, and just *why* is to me, unknown.

Probably because Don Rosa is out of town :-)

>I'm anxious to hear a review of USA 23...

(Not really a review, just some unsupported opinions:)

I didn't really like this issue.  Barks' "A Financial Fable" is fun,
but of course I've already read it.  Paul Murry's "Uncle Scrooge Meets
the Phantom Blot" is, I suppose, interesting for historical reasons,
but it seemed to me to be written for three-year-olds. (Perhaps I'm
just spoiled - I've been reading much Barks and Gottfredson lately.)
Egmont's "Golden Oldies" also seemed rather juvenile and Esteban's
artwork is passable, but not great.

I've already seen Mel Crawford's "Uncle Scrooge in Disneyland"
painting that they re-used for the cover, and while it's a good
*painting* I much prefer thre1930's style Donald covers that they are
using and the Don Rosa work that we've seen on the two "Adventure"
titles.  I also don't really like the 1950's Disneyland feel of the
piece.

Just my two bits... :-)

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     "I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck.  There can be only one!"
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From Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no  Tue Nov  2 13:16:36 1993
From: Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no (Geir.Hasnes@DELAB.SINTEF.no)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:16:36 +0100
Subject: Disney-comics digest #145.
Message-ID: <9311021216.AA27199@figaro.er.sintef.no>

Hello Mattias,

some comments to your comments:

>There is however two kinds of nothing-but-Barks publications in Sweden: the
>"Kalle Ankas B{stisar" series (translates as approx.: "Donald Duck's Favvies"),
>which is an album format soft-cover series that's been running for at least 15
>or 20 years or something like that. Also there are the "Guldb|ckerna" (The
>Golden Books), subtitled "Gamla, goda {ventyr av Carl Barks" (Good Old Stories
>by CB). These are hardcover, comic-BOOK format and often includes rare or
>never-before translated material, nicely translated, coloured and printed.
>Neither series have any chronological ambitions.
>
The soft-cover series was in Norway Barks-only until some years ago when
they started mixing in other artists. The book series is identical in
Sweden and Norway, but the translations are in my opinion not especially
good, rather the oppsite. I would love to have a Rosa Library, but I fear
we have to wait until they have earned what they may earn on comic book
printings and reprints and scattered albums. The last few days, I reread
all the Rosa stories I had available in English and also searched out all
the Norwegian translations, and I even compared some of the translations (I
was ill so I had to do something easy) and the translations werent that
bad! Please Don, help give us a Rosa album series in Norway, I dont want
that Vicar crap.

> anyhow, I certainly DON'T agree with Geir's
>analysis as it was presented on this list!
>
>Geir: one of your major misconceptions, in my opinion, is of what should and
>does constitute "adult" subject matter in a comic book, and in connection with
>this your notion that Barks' comics was originally intended for an adult
>audience. The latter is, I would say, completely wrong, even by Barks' own
>statements. His comics were exclusively made for the comic book market, which
>in it's turn was aimed at CHILDREN. The newspaper strips of, e.g., Taliaferro
>and Gottfredson is another matter - the newspapers themselves were of course
>primarily adult reading, and there was, I believe, no doubt at the time that
>the daily comic strips were read by young and old alike. But this is not true
>for Barks!

When they started doing comic strips nearly 100 years ago they didnt think
of it as aimed to either adults or children. In the 30s Disney didnt
present his cartoons as something for children, neither was the Gottfredson
/ Taliaferro strips intended that way. The whole time, it was a natural
thing for children to take part in the adults culture, and get whatever
they might out of it. Disney appealed to both adults and children and was
meant that way. The Disney stories / cartoons were not made especially for
children, but of course they appealed especially to children.

When Barks started doing his series, he was well into his 40s and he
thought as people of that generation did, that his stories would be aimed
at both adults and children. Just like fairy-tales. The Disney comic book
started with printing Taliaferro and Gottfredson (etc.) and these strips
were as you said yourselves primarily intended for adults. 

50 years ago they didnt have the chasm between childrens entertainment and
adult entertainment which you have today. So when Barks wrote his stories,
he wrote something that adults could fully understand and children
understand up to a certain point. Have a look at that new years resolution
10-pager from 1945 I think where Daisy hits Donald as a result of him
mentioning that she flies off the handle much easier than him. That is what
I call an adult dialogue, intended for adults. Children have no idea of
what is going on or the context for the male chauvinist joke. 

I started reading the comics when I was three years old and I can remember
what I felt about them. I was four and a half when I read about the lost
crown of Genghis Khan. I could not understand why the people in the last
panel wanted Scrooge to tell them about Gu. I understood that many years
later. I was six when the square eggs mystery was printed in Norway. I did
not see the fun in Donald being low down in the hierarchy at the museum.
That was an adult thing. The older I got, the more I understood.

I can vividly remember when it dawned upon me that I was no longer reading
the comics with they eyes of Huey, Dewey and Louie, when I realized that I
began to see it all through the eyes of Donald. I now see that in a few
decades, I will possibly even see it all from the viewpoint of Scrooge.

The genius of Barks is shown in (among other things) that he was able to
tell a story so that he did justice to both the adult and the kid in the
story.

I have read Barks aloud for my children for nearly 8 years and we have been
though most of it, I think. I have learnt a lot from that, and shall not
discuss that here. But I have seen that very often, Barks makes fun of
something that only makes sense for an adult.

That Barks during the 50s and 60s had to lower his content because it
became more and more obvious that he was read mostly by children, is a
fact. But that cant hide the fact that he wrote about things that
interested himself and that in many ways cannot be fully understood by a
child, not even an intelligent 12-year old boy (of the Junior Woodchucks).
And that has got to do with the adult dialogues and relations.

>Now, your interpretations of the sexual content in Barks'  duck comics can
>basically be viewed from three different, equally possible perspectives:
>
>a) they are the conscious effort of Barks to make statements at the
>allegorical/symbolical level about sex in general and duck-sex in particular.
>If this is true, your analysis (and mine in that dratted article) is
>defendable;

This is what I believe, yes.

>b) they do, without any intent on Barks' part, reflect his subconscious - i.e.
>they have something to tell us, not about the sexual attitudes of Donald Duck,
>but of Carl Barks. This is of course entirely POSSIBLE, but how do you  think
>Barks himself would feel about such an attempt at "shrinking" him? This is the
>perspective I myself like the least, and it's because of these ramifications
>that I now disapprove of my own article, too. I think it would be both RUDE and
>also unscientific to try to psychoanalyse Barks as a sexual being on the basis
>of comic books for children, made from 25 to 50 years ago;

I happen to know something about literary criticism. So I have in fact
written to Barks and told him that it is OK for him now to be just adored,
but he cannot defend himself against all possible interpretations of his
works in the future. It will certainly come, and it will not be regarded as
unscientific. Neither do I think it shrinks him. He detested the articles
in the CBL, but in a way started to understand that there was some sense in
them. I have spoken at length with Geoffrey Blum about these things also. I
must say that I have seriously tried to write about how Barks thought when
he worked (not about sex), and I have got some incredibly nice letters from
him about what I have seen, so that I do not think that I am completely far
out on this matter. And I have told Barks that the best thing would be to
have some statements about for instance his depiction of sexual symbols,
before people start to speculate wildly about it. In that letter, I
mentioned explicitly those things mentioned in the Dagbladet interview. He
hasnt answered that yet. I dont think it wild, but it may be done in a rude
way, yes. Rudeness often depends on peoples attitudes, though.

Barks was a serious artist and only serious artists can be analyzed and
discussed. There is nothing to discuss in most Duck stories. Try to say
something about the development in the Murry stories, for instance. I loved
them as a boy and love them still, but they are formulaic, and of very
little depth. Barks gave of himself in his stories, unlike (I think) all
the other Disney artists).

>c) they are projections of your (and in my case, my) dirty mind - what we
>have been analyzing is with some probability, as is often enough I believe the
>case, nothing but ourselves!

Well, yes, of course, but I am not alone about having seen all the things I
have seen, and other people have written about these things also.

>Now, I agree readily enough that Barks as a private person, and of course
>during his tenure at "The Calgary Eye Opener", has often enough given examples
>to show that he, too, could be dirty-minded (I use the word "dirty", not
>because I think sex or related matters are actually just that, but because it
>is the common expression for sexual jokes and innuendos) when he had a mind to,
>but I don't believe that he intentionally carried that into his duck stories,
>with the POSSIBLE exception of the abduction sequence in "Back to the Klondike"
>which I also think has undertones of sexual tension between $crooge and Goldie.
>IF this was intended by Barks, or if it is once again nothing more than what we
>chose to read into it, I don't know. Your other examples, Geir, you'll have to
>pardon the expression; but I find them unequivocal at best or (the "phallic"
>interpretations in particular) even downright silly! Sorry!!!

Barks was continually dirty-minded during the Calagary Eye-Opener period.
He intentionally carried that into his Duck stories. Sometimes I do think
that he intentionally hid it in order to see what he could get away with.
And since you dont seem to know it - the reason for censoring four of the
five pages of Back to the Klondike was that the sexual undertones were too
clear. I dont remember where I read that now but I have it in my archive so
I could try to find the reference. The fifth page was censored because
Scrooge actually did something unlawful.

>Another thing, Geir, about this "Duck Comics Should Be For Adults" thing. I
>don't see what is the problem with aiming comics primarily at children. Barks
>did that, too. The (possible, almost certain) difference between him and the
>policies of the Disney Corporation or e.g. Egmont, is that he never tried to
>talk down to the kids, but rather tried to make stories that would satisfy
>himself. I think this is one of the reasons his work still appeals to so many
>of us, adults and children alike. The same thing could be said about any number
>of writers of childrens books, for instance, of musicians and what-have-you.

As I have said before, the problem of writing for either children or adults
didnt exist (almost) in Barkses formative years. Barks was satisfying
adults also. The reason for me to point out these things is primarily that
I read the stories with new eyes and see the greatness in it from another
viewpoint - why, it is much better for me now than when I was a kid! And I
have met so many people who had fond memories of their childhood Donald
comics, and when I showed them how good they were for adults, nearly all of
them said wow! and rushed to the bank to pay for their own copy of the
Barks Library. 

>I could go on, but for the time, this'll have to be it. And Geir: no personal
>offence intended, I assure you! I just don't agree with some of the things you
>have seemed to say recently; and I'm very eager to hear what you think about
>all this.

I love to have controversy and there are no bad feelings with me for your
points of criticism. I am very glad that you took the time to write what
you did and I find it a healthy viewpoint, and with all respect, I am sorry
to say that I mean you have got Barks a little wrong if you want to defend
him from this kind of "psychoanalysis". It would however have been boring
if we couldnt have this kind of discussion between us hardcore Duckfans.

Don:

Have you ever thought of calling the girl scouts Junior Woodchicks? Excuse
me if the pun is bad or if it has been used before, but I couldnt resist
it.

To all:

I just got Barkses schedule in the mail for his visit to Europe next year.
Do you want me to print it in the list or have you all got the info some
way?

Geir Hasnes




From Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no  Tue Nov  2 13:23:03 1993
From: Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no (Geir.Hasnes@DELAB.SINTEF.no)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:23:03 +0100
Subject: Don and Mickey
Message-ID: <9311021222.AA27210@figaro.er.sintef.no>

Hello Don,

read through all your stories here in the weekend while I was ill. I love
to reread them, in fact I like them even better than many Barks stories.
Barks is much more serious than you are sometimes.

I noticed that this person Mickey Mouse, whom you seem to not want to have
in the Duckburg universe, pops up here and there. In Nobodys Business,
Gladstone is reading a Mickey Mouse comic. And in that one story you did
for Disney (New DDA 1) about digging after coins in Scrooges bin, one of
the coins in the splash panel has a Mickey head on it. 

Just curious,

Geir Hasnes




From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Tue Nov  2 13:25:16 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 13:25:16 +0100
Subject: Low list-activity
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Mon, 01 Nov 1993 19:47:53 -0500" <9311020047.AA26960@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>
Message-ID: <01H4UBHSWV10BTS1LX@castor.ldc.lu.se>

"Sudden drop in the activity in these digests, and just *why* is to me,
unknown." ...said David; while Mark figured it's because Don is out of town...

Yeah... or maybe everyone's boss came in, and demanded that SOMETHING else be
done SOMETIMES at least...?! Apart from writing to the list, I mean...

I suppose most of us have access through some kind of "official" computer, at
work or in school or at some university department? Or does a lot of you folks
have to pay up personally, like Don does?

Jes' curious, is all.

Here's one more debate-bait, for anyone who needs something to talk about on
the list: Geir said that he considered Barks was for comics what Shakespeare
was for the drama and Dickens for the novel... I'm not at all sure that I
agree, at least not until that statement is more substantiated. WHY do you
think that, Geir? Does the rest of you agree with Geir, and if - why? Isn't
there quite a few cartoonists that might qualify equally or better than Barks
for that kind of honor? Or did Geir use the Shakespeare/Dickens comparison not
in the literal/literary sense, but in the usual
I-wanna-price-this-guy-highly-so-I'll-compare-him-to-Shakespeare, "this man is
the Rolls-Royce of comics", meaning?

Jes' curious, is all!

Mattias


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Tue Nov  2 13:40:09 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 13:40:09 +0100
Subject: Addendum
Message-ID: <01H4UBL8KV0QBTS1LX@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Sorry, wrong spelling:  I didn't mean to say "I-wanna-PRICE-this-guy...", I
meant "I-wanna-PRAISE-this...". Not quite the same thing. Sorreee...!!!

Mattias


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Tue Nov  2 14:26:51 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:26:51 +0100
Subject: Comments on Geir's last post
In-Reply-To: Geir.Hasnes@DELAB.SINTEF.no's message of Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:16:36 +0100 <9311021216.AA27199@figaro.er.sintef.no>
Message-ID: <9311021326.AA01060@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

Here's my two balonian nickels:

Yes, Geir, comic strips and cartoons were not aimed primarily at
children, but comic *books* were, just like Mattias said.  It doesn't
matter that they *reprinted* items originally read (perhaps mostly) by
adults.  That has been extremely common in children's literature as
well.

> 50 years ago they didnt have the chasm between childrens entertainment and
> adult entertainment which you have today.

There has been a division between entertainment for children and
adults for several hundred years now, and I would say there's been
such a "chasm" for over a hundred years.  Certainly Disney comic books
have always been aimed almost exclusively for children (until
Gladstone took over).  I'm not sure what you mean by saying that
"children or adults didn't exist (almost) in Barks's formative years".
It's like Barks's formative years was in the Middle Ages or something.
We're talking about rather contemporary stuff here!

> And since you dont seem to know it - the reason for censoring four of the
> five pages of Back to the Klondike was that the sexual undertones were too
> clear. I dont remember where I read that now but I have it in my archive so
> I could try to find the reference. The fifth page was censored because
> Scrooge actually did something unlawful.

I don't know what what kind of references there could be that would
tell for sure why or why not something was censored.  Barks himself
has written that "the sequence was cut becaus of violence and dance
hall atmosphere", but of course, he wasn't the one who cut it out.

> Have you [Don] ever thought of calling the girl scouts Junior
> Woodchicks? Excuse me if the pun is bad or if it has been used
> before, but I couldnt resist it.

But they already have a name!  They're The Littlest Chickadees.

> I just got Barkses schedule in the mail for his visit to Europe next year.
> Do you want me to print it in the list or have you all got the info some
> way?

I don't have it.  I don't think NAFS(k) has it at all.  John Nicholson
was going to send it to us, but because of some reason he didn't want
to fax it, so we'll have to wait for the mail I think.  Please post
it!
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Tue Nov  2 14:55:36 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:55:36 +0100
Subject: Sudden drop in activity.  Imminent death of net predicted.
In-Reply-To: Mark Semich's message of Mon, 1 Nov 93 22:35:31 -0500 <9311020335.AA09073@csa.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <9311021355.AA02016@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

David Gerstein:
>	Well, that's all for now.  Sudden drop in the activity in
>these digests, and just *why* is to me, unknown.

Mark Semich:
> Probably because Don Rosa is out of town :-)

And Harry Fluks.  And I've been pretty busy elsewhere.  There's no
surprise that shows, because that's some of the most frequent posters
here.  In October there were 214 messages, most of which came from

 1. David Gerstein	36
 2. Per Starback	28
 3. Mattias Hallin	26
 4. Don Rosa		22
 5. Mark Semich		17
 6. Torsten Adair	15
 7. Harry Fluks		14
 8. Fredrik Ekman	13
 9. Even Flood		 6
10. Chris Clawton	 5
(and 15 other posters)

--
Per


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Tue Nov  2 14:32:35 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 14:32:35 +0100
Subject: Geir on Barks and sex and more
Message-ID: <01H4UE9YKIXWBTS1LX@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Well, Geir - that was some answer I got; and I must say right away that you've
got me almost half convinced that you might be right enough on several points.
Yeah - let me say that straight away: I really appreciated your arguments, and
even when I'm not as yet wholly won over, that's OK too; because I also love a
healthy, friendly controversial debate to spice up my day!

Anyway: IF you are correct in your assessment, that Barks actually DID use
phallic symbols and other allegorical statements about sex - then that is
indeed a duck of a different colour; then you are right and I am wrong - but I
hope you'll excuse me if I would very much like to have something like that
substantiated by Barks himself. 

That Barks all the time and continually DOES make fun at a more general adult
level, and DOES depict adult conflicts and emotions - that is of course
obvious to anyone who cares to look even once; and I certainly never meant to
say different. If my letter read like that, I'm sorry!

I know well enough the censored pages from "Back to the Klondike"; and there
were I believe three reasons why these pages were cut out: they were considered
too violent ("It was a fight to be proud of!"), to tinged with possible sexual
interpretations, and, yes: $crooge did of course do something unlawful when he
abducted Goldie and used her as forced labour for a month. Actually, I think
the reason Barks has $crooge do that has less to do with sex (personally, and
on a DONALDISTIC level of reasoning, I don't think anything "happened" between
$crooge and Goldie at that occasion - it doesn't seem to me as something that
would fit $crooges character somehow; nor maybe actually Goldies. There's no
doubt in my mind, though, that they fell in love, but were both too proud to
acknowledge it at the time) than - to return to my argument - to give Goldie
some sort of MORAL as opposed to LEGAL claim to $crooges old claim.

I could, as always, write for hours about these things, but maybe once in a
while I should work too...

...and Geir - of course I agree (as I said before) that there are themes in
Barks's work that one must indeed be an adult to appreciate; and I also think
that most of these themes are much more interesting than those that (if they
do, that is) deal with things sexual, even if sex IS mostly an adult
emotion/experience. Well...

All my quackiest!

Mattias


From mas at cs.bu.edu  Tue Nov  2 18:45:42 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 12:45:42 -0500
Subject: Don and Mickey
In-Reply-To: <9311021222.AA27210@figaro.er.sintef.no> (Geir.Hasnes@DELAB.SINTEF.no)
Message-ID: <9311021745.AA09586@csa.bu.edu>

Geir sez:
>I noticed that this person Mickey Mouse, whom you seem to not want to have
>in the Duckburg universe, pops up here and there. In Nobodys Business,
>Gladstone is reading a Mickey Mouse comic. And in that one story you did
>for Disney (New DDA 1) about digging after coins in Scrooges bin, one of
>the coins in the splash panel has a Mickey head on it. 

I'm not sure if this is the same story, but I seem to remember seeing
Gladstone also reading a "Pluto" comic and others as well, but *no*
comics with any ducks in them.  Which could actually lead to the
argument that in Don's Duckburg universe, Mickey doesn't exist at all,
he's merely a comic-book character.

===========================================================================
     "I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck.  There can be only one!"
--   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   --
mark a. semich                                               mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================


From cde at apljax.jhuapl.edu  Tue Nov  2 21:42:41 1993
From: cde at apljax.jhuapl.edu (Charles D. Ellis )
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:42:41 EST
Subject: Don and Mickey
In-Reply-To: <9311021745.AA09586@csa.bu.edu>; from "Mark Semich" at Nov 2, 93 12:45 pm
Message-ID: <9311022042.AA05881@apljax.jhuapl.edu>

mark semich relates:
> I'm not sure if this is the same story, but I seem to remember seeing
> Gladstone also reading a "Pluto" comic and others as well, but *no*
> comics with any ducks in them.  Which could actually lead to the
> argument that in Don's Duckburg universe, Mickey doesn't exist at all,
> he's merely a comic-book character.
> 
	What about Super Snooper? He's a duck's super hero. Apparently a long-lasting
and popular one...

	One thing is sure, if you can have Mickey comics, you can have Pluto
comics. Which contemporaneously implies that Duckburg is in Europe, since
you can't have Mickey and Pluto comics here in the US these days.


Charlie Ellis   
cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Wed Nov  3 00:17:36 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 17:17:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sudden drop in activity. Imminent death of net predicted.
In-Reply-To: <9311021355.AA02016@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311021735.B18094-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Per Starback wrote:
> David Gerstein:
> >	Well, that's all for now.  Sudden drop in the activity in
> >these digests, and just *why* is to me, unknown.
> Mark Semich:
> > Probably because Don Rosa is out of town :-)
> And Harry Fluks.  And I've been pretty busy elsewhere.  There's no
> surprise that shows, because that's some of the most frequent posters
> here.  In October there were 214 messages, most of which came from
>  6. Torsten Adair	15

Only 15?  Geez, looks like I'll have to fix that... 

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Wed Nov  3 00:06:54 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 17:06:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Comments on Geir's last post
In-Reply-To: <9311021326.AA01060@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311021753.A18094-c100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Per Starback wrote:
> Here's my two balonian nickels:
> Yes, Geir, comic strips and cartoons were not aimed primarily at
> children, but comic *books* were, just like Mattias said.  It doesn't
> matter that they *reprinted* items originally read (perhaps mostly) by
> adults.  That has been extremely common in children's literature as
> well.

Is Gulliver's Travels a children's book?  Huck Finn?  

> > 50 years ago they didnt have the chasm between childrens entertainment and
> > adult entertainment which you have today.
> There has been a division between entertainment for children and
> adults for several hundred years now, and I would say there's been
> such a "chasm" for over a hundred years.  Certainly Disney comic books
> have always been aimed almost exclusively for children (until
> Gladstone took over).  I'm not sure what you mean by saying that
> "children or adults didn't exist (almost) in Barks's formative years".
> It's like Barks's formative years was in the Middle Ages or something.
> We're talking about rather contemporary stuff here!

As far as children's literature is concerned, it wasn't until the late
Nineteenth Century that children were considered children.  Before this,
they were considered to be miniture adults, and if something appealed to
them, then they read it.  

I do not know the history behind Disney comics, so I do not know if they
were marketed exclusively to children.  Most comic books of the Thirties
and Forties were sold and read by both adults and children.  It wasn't
until the 1950's that comic books were considered "inferior literatrue".

I think it is safe to say that the Disney animators made cartoons that
made them laugh.  Chuck Jones, a master animator at Warner Brothers, has
said that he and his colleagues made cartoons for themselves, not for
adults, or children, or anyone else.  I would assume that Carl Barks did
the same, with some restrictions.

> > Have you [Don] ever thought of calling the girl scouts Junior
> > Woodchicks? Excuse me if the pun is bad or if it has been used
> > before, but I couldnt resist it.
> But they already have a name!  They're The Littlest Chickadees.

Yeah, but in this day and age, someone at Disney will probably consider
this too sexist, and it will be changed.  I like Woodchicks better, but
that is probably sexist too.  
 
Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



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From: 3COM_GATEWAY at pc.niaid.nih.gov (3Com/Unix Mail Gateway)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 19:32:12 EST
Subject: Disney-comics digest #146.
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From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov  3 17:51:05 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1993 17:51:05 +0100
Subject: I'm back...
Message-ID: <199311031651.AA04648@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Hi everyone,

I'm back from Texas!
Boy, what a lot of messages to read! And some people are even complaining
there's too little traffic! It took me a whole evening to read it all
an another one to write this reply-message!

I will put my comments of the last 3 weeks in one big message. So Torsten:
try to find the 50% you're interested in! 8-)

(Note: there are more than 200 lines to follow)

My comics collection
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I bought some USA comics in various Texas cities. I even couldn't resist
buying some comics solely because of their Rosa covers. And I bought Uncle
Scrooge #116, which reprints the only non-Barks story Rosa based a Life
of Scrooge fact on: the 'shoe shining' story from U$ 50 by Tony Strobl.

I got Gladstone's DD Adventures 23 with a Disney Comics label ("distributed
by Marvel"). It is quite strange to see in an answer to a letter: "Hope
you like our new 'G' logo, Ron!", while the 'G' logo does not appear on
or in the comic at all.

Dutch albums and magazines
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You talked about the German "Barks Library", which is in fact "Die besten
Geschichten mit [not: von] Donald Duck". In Holland, a similar album series
is issued since 1975, containing only Barks stories. They reached album #77
now, and as an extra this one contained a poster of the Barks painting
"Return to Morgan's Island".
Besides this, an "Uncle Scrooge" album series was issued. Numbers 1-30
contained Barks stories only, after that they didn't contain Barks at
all, except in #50, where the Barks/Rosa "Pied Piper of Duckburg" was
reprinted. It is quite likely that future editions of this U$ series will
contain Rosa stories, though the chance that an album will contain ONLY
Rosa stories is almost nil.

The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained a very funny
story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as a bonus. It was
a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained one Van Horn story.
(Fredrik, for [y]our index: that's AR 152.)

Jippes
~~~~~~
The American artist of Dutch origin, Daan Jippes, has left the Disney
Studios. He is now the head of the Story Department of "Amblimation",
Steven Spielberg's animation company. I guess that gives him too little
time to re-ink more Barks Junior Woodchuck stories...
(And Geir says they are "SIMPLY inking of Barkses scripts". WHAAH!)

Tsamjah Phee
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just before I left, I put a quote from "Return To Xanadu" in my signature,
misspelling Tsamjah Phee. Gosh, I never knew that was another word joke!
I just thought it was some real Asian name. Don: what a strange person
you are! 8-)
BTW: the Dutch translation was Tsjamjah Phee. The 'tsj' is the Dutch
transliteration of the 'ch'-sound like in 'church'. I think they missed the
Jaffee reference too.

Translations in Dutch
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wilmer asked how word puns are translated in non-English countries. In
Dutch, most of the things Per said about Swedish, and what David said
about German, is true. In the 50s and 60s the stories were translated
(from German) by a lady from an other magazine who did it as a side job.
>From 1973 on, when Jippes and Thom Roep joined the Dutch editors, the
Barks stories were faithfully translated. Sometimes the result is even
funnier than the original. In 1983, someone decided that the Disney comics
should be for younger children. This meant that the lettering and translations
changed: bigger letters, smaller sentences. Happily, this thing ended in
1985, when the letters were normal-sized again. And a lucky circumstance is
that they reprinted very few Barks stories in 1983 and 1984.

When a story is made in Holland, no effort is done to make puns
translatable into other languages. They only make the stories for themselves,
and don't have a language problem like Egmont has (I think that's also
the reason why they throw away English scripts).

In the Dutch translation of "The Lemming with the Locket", the words Nordost
and Gjetost were still there: untranslated. I remember I guessed that "ost"
would mean "cheese" (because of Gjetost), and that "Nordost" must have been
a joke...

Indexes
~~~~~~~
Andy asked about the Gladstone Barks index we once had on ftp. I put all the
information in the 'gladstone.index' file. It can easily be derived from
that file by using a 'grep' command on a unix system or a 'find' on a DOS-PC.
(Well, it's easy if you know how to do it...)

Also, David: I don't think a H-code list or a D-code list from Gladstone
and or Disney Comics would give more information than we already have.
(Just like Ole's AR-index on ftp.) We once had a Gladstone H-coded list,
which became superfluous when we made a list of ALL the Gladstone contents.

If we change the index formats to make a D-index, H-index etc. it can best
be done by taking the existing lists (including my Dutch list, for example),
and re-arrange the information.

I agree that Gladstone and Disney Comics could best be put in one single index
file. And it's time to list the "new" Gladstones as well.

I'll come back to the index subjects later.

Rosa Index
~~~~~~~~~~
Ole found the new version of the Rosa list "a little messy. The numbering
is a bad idea!". I introduced the numbering solely because it would make
the index less messy: there can be more than one line for a story now and
the number sort of indicates the lines belong together. I don't like to have
to mention all those different versions of the stories, but since they ARE
different, what else can we do than list them? I'm open for suggestions
for a better lay-out...

I'm sorry I missed those two Life Of Scrooge codes. They'll have to be
added. But you didn't provide the code of the Guardians story, that's why
I "forgot" that one.

Marco Rota
~~~~~~~~~~
Ole already pointed out that the story in Gladstone's DDA 23 (coded D 5393)
is in fact the same story as I 277-A, the one I called "geroosterd vlees als
redding".
They deleted a lot, and the most annoying is that they changed the page
layouts: Rota made a lot of panels with rounded sides, or slightly higher or
lower than 1/4 of the page height, et cetera. Gladstone all edited it down
to a very dull lay-out. And the Dutch title ("Saved by the meal" or so)
actually refers to one of the deleted parts: Andold and co. won the fight
because the Vikings interrupted their fight to have dinner!
I can imagine why Gladstone made the cuts (the story was too long, and not
interesting enough to fill TWO issues), but that doesn't mean I like it.

Per suggested the story has a Danish code because Egmont reworked it.
That may be an answer to an observation I did in the ftp-file 'story-codes'
about Danish codes:

> A peculiarity: all known codes between D 5274 and D 10166 are _even_.

Maybe the _odd_ numbers (like D 5393) were reserved for re-workings of
foreign stories?

Benny Donkey and Hugo Hound
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David said in his letter from October 18, that Harvey comics retranslated
some Barks MGM stories from the Dutch. This can't be, because the stories
never appeared in Dutch. I thought we figured out that the "original"
could be either French or German.

An article in The Duckburg Times #21 about slang
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark, give us some of that, at least the part where BopBop is explained!
And I'm also interested in a copy of the articles in the CBG.

Sweden is mentioned in a Barks story
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As says Per, but I don't know which one (and I would like to know). I _do_
know two stories with references to the Dutch though...

Duck nudity
~~~~~~~~~~~
David mentions the story from WDC&S 86, where Donald is a fireman. On one
panel, he only wears a helmet. That page (page 3) was in fact deleted from
the Dutch reprint in the very first Dutch DD Weekly (#1, 1952). The reason
for that was that they needed extra space for a contest and the page could
be deleted without disturbing the story too much. But in the 70s, some
people suggested that the page was deleted because of the nude Donald! They
forgot that Donald can be seen even "nuder" (without helmet) a few pages
later...

Donald has been naked in several Dutch stories in the 80s. Not only in his
bedroom or when swimming, but also running through the streets of Duckburg!

Dell's Donald Duck #41
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark said he bought this issue and found the both stories "atrocious".
All the interior was drawn by Tony Strobl and the cover was by Paul Murry
(according to Kjell Crone's index). In fact, I know the Dutch version of the
lead story and I quite like it.

Donald and sex
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The article with the interview of Geir Hasnes was translated by Even Flood,
he said because "we felt the subject was of general interest to a larger
audience"! How may Norwegian "Dagbladet" readers are there? And how many
members do you think are on this list? 8-)

Jack Kirby
~~~~~~~~~~
Mark asked why he is in the 'creators' file. Well, in fact, that
file also covers the creators in the "classics" index. The Classic stories
were newspaper stories, often reprinted in One Shots and other comics.
In 1980, Kirby did the pencils of "The Black Hole" (story Fallberg,
inks Royer). That's the only Kirby entry though.

Re-reprinting European stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David objected to this, because there is little room, and he prefers
new stories. In fact, I prefer new stories too, but:

1. I prefer new stories to reprints
2. I prefer Milton/Jippes reprints to Barks (re)reprints.

All I was saying in the first place was that the Milton/Jippes stories
from the early Gladstone comics deserve a reprint in better colours, on
better quality paper. Maybe in an album or so... That's much better than the
20th reprint of a Barks story in the comics...

Mau Heymans (minor spoiler)
~~~~~~~~~~~
David said he has a great story by Mau Heymans "whose style is wonderful" and
that I would back that up. OK: his drawing style is very good. Unfortunately,
they give him very slow scripts of too long stories a lot. But the short
stories he does (4-5 pages) are very good. I think Ole can confirm that.
David, the story you refer to is planned for the DD birthday issue, so I
think you're talking about the story where Donald is chosen to be a "Mister
Duckburg" (or whatever). That story was made for issue #2000 of the
weekly DD (apparently, Holland started a bit earlier than Italy). It contains
several 1-page panels (or 1-panel pages). One such a panel shows a big
dinner with various characters from a lot of Barks stories. It was fun to
try to recognise all the characters and the stories they appeared in!
I think the story will have to be cut and partly rewritten for a Gladstone
publication.

BTW: issue '2000' was in fact issue number 1999. They made a mistake.
(But of course, Don Rosa already knew they couldn't count: they count like
this: 3, 1, 2.... 8-)

Mouse removal project
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Torsten asked about stories dealing with rats, mice, or exterminators. What
about Barks/Rosa's "Pied Piper" story?


That's all for now! Nice to be back.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks                      ()_()     Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL)   (_)      H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl 
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Thu Nov  4 13:32:02 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 13:32:02 +0100
Subject: Even Flood : Re: I'm back...
Message-ID: <9311041232.AA07067@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

[This is really from Even Flood:]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 08:40:40 +0200 (METDST)
From: Even Flood <flood at due.unit.no>
Subject: Re: I'm back...

>The article with the interview of Geir Hasnes was translated by Even Flood,
>he said because "we felt the subject was of general interest to a larger
>audience"! How may Norwegian "Dagbladet" readers are there? And how many
>members do you think are on this list? 8-)

The word large was perhaps unfortunate. I was of course
referring to the level of intelligence, sophistication and
general wisdom and knowledge!.  :-)

Even

------------------------------------------------------------------------


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Thu Nov  4 21:02:03 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 93 15:02:03 -0500
Subject: Disney-comics digest #147. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 04 Nov 93 13:43:20 +0100
Message-ID: <9311042002.AA01928@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Hi, Folks!

	Glad to have you back, Harry!  Quite a lot has gone on while
you were away, no?

	You said:

	"The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained
a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as
a bonus. It was a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained 
one Van Horn story."

	First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen
story?  Then... DISNEY'S COMICS IN 3-D #1 only had *one* Van Horn
story, that being the story "The Billion Bean Stampede."  There was
one reprint apiece from Van Horn, Rosa, and Gottfredson, and the only
artist to have *two* stories in the book was -- predictably -- Carl
Barks.  (The two stories were "Rocket Wing Saves the Day" and "Knights
of the Flying Sleds").

	The Heymans Birthday story I'm doing is not the one you mentioned,
although I actually would really like to do that one as well...  The
story I'm dealing with is about Gladstone and Daisy secretly planning
a birthday surprise for Donald, who believes they're planning
*marriage* and sets out to sabotage the blessed event.  I discovered
it in one of the Dutch issues you sent me, thank you very much!

	The reason we will always see re-re-re-re-re-reprinted Barks
stories as opposed to reprinted Dutch stories is that aside from Don
Rosa *no* Duck artist's sales compare remotely to Barks stories in this
country, as long as they aren't Barks stories which were in earlier 
Gladstone or Disney comics.  Albums *don't count*.  We should expect to
see nearly *all* the Barks stories that were in the 1986-1990
Gladstone Albums used again in the comics over the next two years or
so...  Of course, Gladstone will give a fair shake to foreign stories
that *haven't* appeared here before, but it is believed that reprints
of those would sell very poorly.

	As for puns in Dutch stories, the upcoming Dutch story "The
Hoard at the Rainbow's End" provided me with a lot that were just
untranslatable, most of them on the sides of rare coin banks in
Scrooge's collection.  I substituted my own in a few spots, but others
I just had to delete as I knew no way to put them into English.

	Still:  I think that "Rainbow's End" is one of my best dialogs
and I hope you'll give it a fair trial, folks, even if you don't like
my first one, "Bugged by Humbug";  looking at it now, I find the
dialog on the first and seventh pages rather stilted...

	Well, that's all for now, folks.

	Your friend,


	David Gerstein

	"A flire!  A frier!  I must shave the women and children!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>








From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Fri Nov  5 09:40:33 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1993 09:40:33 +0100
Subject: $crooge in Sweden
Message-ID: <01H4YAC8U4TGBTS485@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Someone, I think Harry Fluks, asked about $crooge's visit to Sweden in a Barks
comic; it's in "King Solomon's Mines", where $crooge on his world tour to
inspect his businesses also spends an entire panel's worth of time in Sweden to
"Inspect his glassware factories". Which does indeed make sense - Sweden IS
fairly well known for high quality glass ware, not least so among American
tourists!

In the Swedish translation (Where "Farbror Joakim" is supposed to live in
Sweden in the first place already), the translator has him visit the Swedish
region "Sm}land" instead, which actually from that perspective makes equal
sense, since Sm}land is one of the major centers of Swedish glass production,
since the 18th century even.

Mattias Hallin


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Nov  5 21:51:56 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1993 21:51:56 +0100
Subject: Answers to David about Dutch comics
Message-ID: <199311052051.AA17968@athena.research.ptt.nl>

me> 	"The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained
me> a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as
me> a bonus. It was a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained 
me> one Van Horn story."

David:
> 	First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen
> story?

Yes. 8-)

> Then... DISNEY'S COMICS IN 3-D #1 only had *one* Van Horn
> story, that being the story "The Billion Bean Stampede." 

I meant to say "it only contained THE Van Horn story". The Rosa and Barks
stories were not reprinted.

> 	As for puns in Dutch stories, the upcoming Dutch story "The
> Hoard at the Rainbow's End" provided me with a lot that were just
> untranslatable, most of them on the sides of rare coin banks in
> Scrooge's collection.  I substituted my own in a few spots, but others
> I just had to delete as I knew no way to put them into English.

If you want any help with Dutch translations in the future, just ask me!

--Harry.


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Sun Nov  7 18:19:56 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 07 Nov 93 12:19:56 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #144.
Message-ID: <931107171955_72260.2635_EHK21-1@CompuServe.COM>

	Well, I have lots of digests to read here. Should I read them
all then post one BIG comment... or lotsa little ones? I guess I'll do
lots of lil' ones since that will help me avoid taking notes or
forgetting something.
	COMMENTS TO #144:
	DG asks about the cover I say I'm doing for the Gladstone use of
the Lo$ (that will hereafter be my designation for "The Life and Times
of $crooge McDuck") and the German use. The German albums, BEING albums,
will use 2 or 3 chapters of Lo$ in each issue... and I don't know what
they'll fancy as a cover scene. For instance, for part two they
requested a scene of a poker game on board a riverboat; well, there IS a
poker game in that chapter but it doesn't take place on a riverboat --
and even if it DID, how could you tell it was on board a boat or in a
saloon or...? Anyway, that gives you an idea of how we sometimes need to
talk sense into editorial heads. They took my suggestion for a scene...
which was an almost exact copy (in my style) of the Dutch cover to that
story. (Why should I worry about stealing other peoples' ideas when, as
Disney stories, my work has a sign on it saying "open season on free
use"?) That German album will also contain part 1 (the riverboat stuff
being in part 2). I'll only be doing one cover based on part 1, but,
yes, there will be a Gladstone cover based on that riverboat chapter
also. Now, normally, Gladstone could just have free useage of my German
cover... but the Germans won't be publishing until around April or so
(it's probably not yet set) and Gladstone will need a cover BEFORE that.
Since they cannot use the German cover before the Germans do, I need to
do ANOTHER version for Gladstone which will be the EXACT same scene. Why
not? I try to pick the best scene in the story for the cover, so why do
a bad cover for Gladstone instead of the same good scene? I'm only lucky
that I get to do the same idea twice and get paid twice, the sort of
good deal that virtually NEVER happens in this Disney stuff. Actually,
Jippes has been doing it this way for years, copying his own or other
peoples' covers for various Dutch or whatever editions, getting paid
several times for the same idea. 
	I have never seen the German Barks albums. I know that they
never could use Barks' name in the actual TITLE since that would mean
that they might have to pay Barks a royalty -- probably not, being in
Europe, but they MIGHT... so they put his name in the sub-title. But
now, the new post-Gare style of the Grandey managed "Carl Barks Studio"
has demanded royalties of ANY mention of Barks' name in ANY context,
something they cannot legally do, but the Europeans are deciding "screw
this" and just deleting all mention of Barks from the publications. This
is probably the main idea behind Grandey's idea of Barks' European
visit, to deal with these royalty demands. Oh, well... But that's why
Barks no longer gets credits in Germany... Barks won't allow it.
	They know I'm not so cranky or greedy yet, so they know they can
exploit me for a few more years.
	And no, you won't see ads for the German albums in the German
comics since those are two totally separate companies, not even located
in the same cities. And I'm told they don't even get along very well.
This is the usual case among Disney licensees, a situation Disney helps
to keep agitated for the same reason the ancient European kings always
wanted their feudal lords to bicker among themselves rather than ever
build up to any united front and make demands on the Empire. Think about
it.
	



From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Sun Nov  7 18:54:14 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 07 Nov 93 12:54:14 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #146.
Message-ID: <931107175413_72260.2635_EHK21-2@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS ON #146:
	I'm trying real hard to find something to comment on here.
Mattias and Geir's discussion is great, and I completely agree with BOTH
of them. Which is to say that I don't think it would be beyond Barks,
especially considering his background and personality, to try to slip
some phallic symbols or such into his stories... but as to whether he
ever did do so on purpose will forever be only a matter for interesting
debate. It would be interesting to hear what Barks' answer to a question
about that particular instance would be -- but his answer would not be
wholly reliable. I can't recall my exact reasons for what I did in a
story 6 months ago, much less 40 years ago, but I might CLAIM I can
recall it in order to tell a questioner what either he wants to hear or
what I want him to think. An example: the scene in the Square Egg story
where the Ducks first see Plain Awful and Barks' perspective is twisted
and inaccurate. Barks has always had the story that a pesky neighbor was
talking to him while he was drawing it and distracted him. Common sense
tells you a few things in this instance: a pesky conversation can make
you make ONE or TWO errors... but to draw an entire cityscape in the
wrong perspective with the wrong vanishing points would entail literally
HUNDREDS of separate errors, one right after another. Plus, remember
that we don't work directly into INK. Even if someone DID make 756
errors while penciling a scene, he would hafta make the EXACT SAME 756
errors when he was inking what he should SEE is wrong. The truth is that
Barks started out wrong and wasn't getting paid enough or didn't want to
take the time to stop and correct it -- I know the feeling! 

	And Geir, if you want some Norwegian "Don Rosa" albums, you'll
need to talk to Svein Erik Soland, not me. That's his decision. I'm
ALWAYS willing to help!




From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Sun Nov  7 20:28:26 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 93 20:28:26 +0100
Subject: A Duck's-Eye View of Europe
Message-ID: <9311071928.AA27664@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

(I have lots of old mail I'm planning to comment on, but I'll get back
to that later.  For now the following will have to do:)

Geir> I just got Barkses schedule in the mail for his visit to Europe
Geir> next year.  Do you want me to print it in the list or have you
Geir> all got the info some way?

me> I don't have it.  I don't think NAFS(k) has it at all.  John
me> Nicholson was going to send it to us, but [...]

I meant John Nichols, of course...  Well, now NAFS(k) has gotten the
program as well (from Dana Gabbard I think).  We're being the largest
Donaldist organization in the world an' all, you'd think someone
would have told us about it before, but...

Anyway, here is the program:
Carl Barks will take part in Walt Disney Company's official
celebration of Donald Duck's 60 year birthday.  His oil paintings will
be exhibited in several galleries and museums and he will promote a
new book.  (We don't know what this book is.  Anyone?)

May 30--June 2		Reykjavik, Iceland.

June 3--5		Olso, Norway:
			Barks will be appointed honorary professor in
			literature, and gets a royal medal.

June 6--8		Bergen, Norway.

June 9--13		Copenhagen, Denmark:
			Donald's 60 years on June 9th.  Barks visits
			the queen and the Louisiana museum.

June 14--16		Helsinki, Finland:
			Barks has lunch with 200 fans, buying the
			collector's edition of his new book.

June 17--20		Stockholm, Sweden:
			Press conference June 19.

June 21--23		Berlin, Germany.

June 24--27		Paris, France:
			Barks visits EuroDisney June 26.

June 28--July 3		Munich and Stuttgart, Germany.

July 4--13		Verona, Venice, and Milan, Italy.

July 14--19		Zurich, Switzerland.

July 20--22		Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

July 23			Barks goes home again.
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Now on your left is the famous statue of---never mind!"


From kesidis at cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca  Sun Nov  7 23:19:11 1993
From: kesidis at cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (kesidis@cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 93 17:19:11 -0500
Subject: life of scrooge
Message-ID: <9311072219.AA18872@panther.uwaterloo.ca>

Hello all,
Does someone know if the first installment or whatever of
Don's "Life of Scrooge" will ship before X-mas in North America?
-George


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Mon Nov  8 00:04:25 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 17:04:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: life of scrooge
In-Reply-To: <9311072219.AA18872@panther.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311071724.A27190-9100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, it was written:
> Hello all,
> Does someone know if the first installment or whatever of
> Don's "Life of Scrooge" will ship before X-mas in North America?
> -George

The November issue of Diamond Previews shows the first issue of Lo$.  It
will ship in January.  A picture of the cover is shown (Scrooge is a cute
child).

BTW, I will input the information this week, so please be patient.

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Mon Nov  8 00:06:53 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 17:06:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Christmas Parade #8 (1957)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311071753.B27190-b100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


Recently, my local comic book store bought a nice selection of older Dell
Disney comic books.  Since I had some money to spare this week, I bought a
copy of Disney's Christmas Parade #8 (the cover shows the rear of Santa's
sleigh, with Santa Clause, Goofy, Mickey, Donald, and some other's all
waving to the "camera".  The back page shows Santa filling stockings.

Has this issue been indexed?

This issue, without any ads whatsoever, cost a paltry twenty-five cents
American, and was eighty pages or so.  Nowadays, it would probably cost $3.50.
It was all comics stories, with some puzzle pages, but no text pieces.

Characters include:	Our Favorite Ducks vs. The Beagle Boys
			Clarabelle and Minnie
			Chip and Dale (sorry, Don)
			Mickey and Goofy
			Jiminy Cricket, Thumper, and the Seven Dwarves (!!)
			Big and L'il Bad Wolf and the Three Pigs
			

I was trying to figure out the difference between Chip and Dale.  The only
difference I could see was that one has a red nose.  Do chipmunks have red
noses, or is it something else?


Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Mon Nov  8 02:02:05 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 93 20:02:05 -0500
Subject: Chip and Dale (never thought I'd stoop to this...)
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 08 Nov 93 01:19:16 +0100
Message-ID: <9311080102.AA08015@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	Chip has a black nose and straight hair.  Dale has a red nose,
Goofy teeth, and messy hair.  Chip is an argumentative hothead.  Dale
is a dopey sloven.  And... in their *very earliest* appearances before
they got overcute (I'm talking Paul Murry stories circa 1950) I can
actually live with them.

	Actually, the first CnD story with their names above the title
is a two-page strip in WDC&S 89... far earlier than most people would
expect.  But there it is... BTW, I believe that in that *very first*
story (and no others) the two are actually named in the opposite
order, Chip being the dopey one.

	But one thing sure... they ARE "funny animals" (TM) any way
you cut it.

	* * * * * 

	I hate to say this, but... I hope Carl Barks lives through his
European tour.  The guy is 93 now, right?  It was Donald's 50th
birthday that exhausted Clarence Nash past the breaking point.
Without Nash, we wouldn't have ANY Donald.  Without Barks, we wouldn't
have the far superior comic Donald.  But will we have Barks much
longer?

	As for Barks' relationship to the Grandeys:  Do they have
something to do with this new book of his?  What the heck *is* it?  My
own bet is that it's an autobiography, perhaps ghost-written partly by
one of the Grandeys.

	We know that Barks has stopped doing paintings for Bruce
Hamilton, but did he design all the projected sculptures (eight, I
think) before he stopped working for him?  (Not that I endorse the
kind of speculation those paintings and sculptures embody... I do
think they are beautiful, however.)

	Well, that's all for now.

	Your friend,

	David, who feels that it *really stinks* that Gottfredson
never got this type of royal treatment during his lifetime simply
because Whitman ignored his work after 1951




From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Mon Nov  8 14:08:51 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 14:08:51 +0100
Subject: Answers to David about Dutch comics (2)
Message-ID: <199311081308.AA28509@athena.research.ptt.nl>

me> The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained
me> a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen.
 
David> 	First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen story?
 
me> Yes. 8-)

I'll be a bit more specific now: (**spoilers**)
code: H 91160
size: 19 pages

Description: the story starts with Scrooge having an annual inventors 
demonstration day. This leads to various funny gags. Then an inventor 
(no Gyro involved in this story) shows his 'vase-reading' machine. It
can read noises from a vase from the time that vase was made. Again some
very funny results.
One of the vases 'mentions' a ship with gold in the Himalaya, so Scrooge & co.
go find it.
(Donald: A ship in the Himalaya? What a nonsense!
Scrooge: Gold is gold. If someone wants to store it in a ship on a mountain,
he has the RIGHT to do so!)
The rest of the story is a bit like the Suheli story (Curse of the lost 
Empress), published before by Gladstone. The Ducks find the ship (of course),
and they start some mechanism that eventually makes it rain gold in the
valley. Not very original, and a flaw is that the *reason* for all the
mechanisms is not explained.
But the first part of the story makes up for this.

--Harry.


From 75730.1253 at CompuServe.COM  Mon Nov  8 22:05:35 1993
From: 75730.1253 at CompuServe.COM (Bill Cotter)
Date: 08 Nov 93 16:05:35 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #149.
Message-ID: <931108210535_75730.1253_FHA49-1@CompuServe.COM>

Just so you know, I got 8 copies of the same digest, just in case you're 
having some problems!


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Mon Nov  8 23:57:30 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 23:57:30 +0100
Subject: Duplicated digests?
In-Reply-To: Bill Cotter's message of 08 Nov 93 16:05:35 EST <931108210535_75730.1253_FHA49-1@CompuServe.COM>
Message-ID: <9311082257.AA24161@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

Bill Cotter wrote:
> Just so you know, I got 8 copies of the same digest, just in case you're 
> having some problems!

Oops.  Did that happen to anyone else?  Otherwise I'll assume the
problem was at your end.
--
Per


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Tue Nov  9 06:33:12 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 09 Nov 93 00:33:12 EST
Subject: Disney-comics digest #151.
Message-ID: <931109053311_72260.2635_EHK20-1@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENT ON #151:

	Nothing other than to add, to the explanation of how to tell
Chip from Dale, the answer to the other part of the original European's
query... do they really look like Chipmunks, whatever those are.
	Chipmunks don't have red noses. Dale doesn't look much like a
real chipmunk, but Chip is pretty similar to what an actual chipmunk
looks like and acts like (nervous and chattery). Chipmunks are like tree
rats (squirrels) except that they DON'T live in trees like Chip 'n' Dale
do -- they live in holes inna ground. They only run up trees to escape
dogs. And they are pretty cute, so it didn't take much for Disney to
cute-itize them.
	Shall I tell you about hummingbirds next? Hummingbirds are what
we got to apologize for Poison Ivy.
	And our mooses can beat up your mooses.

	Actually, I don't really have much to comment on, but I would
like to ask you Egmont country folks about the newest Donald Duck weekly
with part 9 of the "Life & Times of $McD". What did you think of that
ending??? Was it a big mistake or an "instant classic"??? For you
Americans who won't see that chapter for another 1 1/2 years, it's an
ending unlike any that's ever been in a Disney funnybook, and I'm
curious as to how readers will react.




From trhera at uta.fi  Tue Nov  9 14:53:15 1993
From: trhera at uta.fi (Henri Rantanen)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:53:15 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Problems?
Message-ID: <9311091353.AA24916@uta.fi>

> 
> Bill Cotter wrote:
> > Just so you know, I got 8 copies of the same digest, just in case you're 
> > having some problems!
> 
> Oops.  Did that happen to anyone else?  Otherwise I'll assume the
> problem was at your end.
> --
> Per
> 
Not really... but, I do have had some strange problems, mainly that when I am 
trying to send something to the list, I got error message(s)... Also, I have
gotten some people's messages about a month after they have sent them...
I also got one error message which was supposed to go to someone else, saying
that his mail could not be delivered... Not a standard error-message, so I
suppose there was something fishy going on... Nuttin' special.
 
-H.
 
-- 
'I got ran over by truth one day, I did not see the red light
 Since the accident I've walked this way, I only did what felt right'
E-mail : trhera at uta.fi           
tel    : +358-(9)31-2224950


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Tue Nov  9 15:28:06 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 15:28:06 +0100
Subject: Problems? + New issue of Carl Barks & Co.
In-Reply-To: Henri Rantanen's message of Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:53:15 +0200 (EET) <9311091353.AA24916@uta.fi>
Message-ID: <9311091428.AA23926@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

On the topic of technical problems with this list Henri Rantanen wrote:

> ... but, I do have had some strange problems, mainly that when I am
> trying to send something to the list, I got error message(s)...

Bounce messages from some sites are unfortunately pretty normal.  They
generally come from Mailer-Daemon at some site, and say something like
"message couldn't be delivered to ... because of ..." and more often
than not include the message that wasn't delivered.  I try to find out
what the problem is with those addresses when I note that messages
sent to them bounce.

> Also, I have gotten some people's messages about a month after they
> have sent them...

I guess that was some of Fredrik's messages.  It seems like they
queued up somewhere when there were mail problems at his site, and
then got out long time after that.

Sigh, computers...

Well, anyway, here is something relating to Disney comics too.  I was
at SerieExpo '93 last weekend, and got the latest issue of Carl Barks
& Co. (from editor Paw Mathiasen who was there).  It's a fanzine on
comics and animation, that Freddy Milton (who also was at SerieExpo)
started and edited before Paw.  It's in Danish, so maybe it's not
that interesting for most of you, but anyway I thought I should
mention it.  It contains a feature on Aladdin (with lots of Jippes
illustrations), and interview with Daan Jippes, Marco Rota, Giorgio
Cavazzano, and Sonja Rindom (Danish duck translator).  CB&Co. #20
(ISBN 87-87654-54-7) is 30 DKK from

	Forlaget Sejd
	v/Paw Mathiasen
	J. Brochmandsgade 7, st.tv.
	2200 Copenhagen N

I haven't read it yet.
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Tue Nov  9 16:42:39 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1993 16:42:39 +0100
Subject: Lo$ No. 9/Kalle Anka & C:o 45/93
Message-ID: <01H54ATCLBD0BTS84N@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Don,

you asked for opinions on Lo$ part 9 - here are my pieces'o'eight's worth:

That is a BEUATIFUL ending, I think. Of course, it rather softens the impact of
$crooge's father's death, top show him happily entering after-life, but
nevertheless I think you've done a very good job of (almost) showing the death
of a (almost) main character in a Disney-comic. The death of $crooge's mother
was implied, I think, already in an earlier part (the Klondyke triptych) and
confirmed here in the graveyard scene; but the last-but-one panel MUST to my
knowledge be the first time any Disney-comic dealt with the natural passing
away of one of it's protagonists - and letting us glimpse the body too...

By the way - does this in anyway reflect your personal beliefs about death and
an eventual afterlife? Or is that none o' my dang business?

It's also interesting to notice how the "spirit" of the deceased appears much
younger than the living man (duck) did the night before...

And huccome $crooge's mother (or rather - her spirit) has the smaller, rounder
not-yet-touching-the-beak eyes that you've said that you use to make a duck
look young/childish as opposed to adult? AS does also ONE of his sister's (the
elder, I think?) but NOT the other... Is this intended to signify female
beauty? Meaning perhaps that Hortense is not quite as good-looking as her mothe
and sister, perhaps? It actually DOES give an impression sort of along those
lines, I think - and come to think of it, it must BE kinda tricky to make a
duck look more beautiful than the next, considering their facial build...

Oh, well...

All my best! 

Mattias


From d91fe at gnetis.pt.hk-r.se  Tue Nov  9 18:22:56 1993
From: d91fe at gnetis.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 18:22:56 +0100
Subject: Life of $crooge 9
Message-ID: <9311091722.AA19716@gnetis.pt.hk-r.se>

> 	Actually, I don't really have much to comment on, but I would
> like to ask you Egmont country folks about the newest Donald Duck weekly
> with part 9 of the "Life & Times of $McD". What did you think of that
> ending??? Was it a big mistake or an "instant classic"??? For you
> Americans who won't see that chapter for another 1 1/2 years, it's an
> ending unlike any that's ever been in a Disney funnybook, and I'm
> curious as to how readers will react.

What did I think of Lo$ #9? Why, actually I think it's clearly the best
part of those that I have read so far. The art is great and the way you
show how $crooge's experiences from all over the world conflict with the
traditions of the locals. The explanation of how he got his coat was,
well, a little dull, but that doesn't matter compared to the whole. The
scene at the graveyard was brilliant. You really managed to capture the
scene with your art there. And the ending. Well, what can I say? This is
GREAT! The first time I read it, I was almost shocked and even though I
understood the scene completely, I had to re-read the last page to be
sure I got it right. One detail only; check the sun in the last few
panels. I can't really get it into my head how the angle of the sunshine
coming through the window can be correct compared to the scene of the
castle from outside. Details, details... The only thing I'm wondering
now is; how did the kids react to this? What about your kids, Geir?
Anyone else has children/kid brothers, et c?

>	And our mooses can beat up your mooses.

Can NOT!

  /Fredrik Ekman


From HATHAWAY at stsci.edu  Tue Nov  9 19:14:40 1993
From: HATHAWAY at stsci.edu (HATHAWAY@stsci.edu)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1993 13:14:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: LO$ 9
Message-ID: <01H541YY5DJMAKUV42@avion.stsci.edu>

>"Fredrik Ekman"  
Subj:	Life of $crooge 9

>One detail only; check the sun in the last few
>panels. I can't really get it into my head how the angle of the sunshine
>coming through the window can be correct compared to the scene of the
>castle from outside. Details, details... 


I haven't seen it of course, and expect a long wait ..., but I'd like 
to comment on the whole subject of showing Sun/Moon in drawings.  
Getting the sun right is usually a lot better handled (I'm talking 
of ALL comics - books and strips here) than is the moon.  While I 
cannot recall any examples in Rosa's fine work, in general, artists 
almost never correctly portray either the phase of the moon, and 
in particular the position of it with respect to the horizon OR the 
illuminating sun.  It is usually thrown in just as a device to show 
"it is night", even though in an impossible aspect.  Perhaps 
if the general public realised that the moon is up during the day 
just as often as it is up at night, and that it is lit up by the 
sun, and does not glow by itself, then we might see it less abused. 

A classic example of the wrong phase was Doonesbury's strips on 
the start of the Gulf War.  He continually showed the full moon 
(rising at sunset?) on the western horizon, night after night.  
The start of the war was specifically staged to go at the Dark 
of the Moon.  There were strong military (visibility for the foe) 
and cultural reasons why it went off as it did (if they waited 
another moonth they would hit bad weather and then Ramadan - nobody 
wanted a war during the (lunar-determined) holy month.)  


But that is a quibble - most artists show either a full moon, 
regardless of the true time of month or the setting point of 
the sun, OR a crescent with the horns pointing TOWARDS the sun - 
clearly impossible, or some such weirdness.  I commend any one 
who takes the time to do it right, and forgive some odd perspectives 
if forced by the demands of the scene.  It is the gratuitious use 
of a clearly inappropriate moon that bugs me.  As I said, I do 
not recall any such errors by Rosa - and I examine all lunar 
depictions - so he has probably gotten them right so far.  
(I can't remember the treatment in the "24-Carat Moon" - anyone 
have it handy?)  (Leaving aside the impossiblity of the orbit.)  

W. Hathaway 



From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Wed Nov 10 05:50:00 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 09 Nov 93 23:50:00 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #152.
Message-ID: <931110045000_72260.2635_EHK41-3@CompuServe.COM>

Mattias:
	So, at least for you that part 9 worked, sounds like. That
leaves about 249,999,999 other readers to worry about. But if you only
could see a story like that one in the stages of development -- it might
look (sometimes?) to be a simple thing to put a story down on the paper
once an idea for the plot is there. But in this chapter, as well as ALL
the chapters in this series, it is SO tricky to get the whole thing to
work properly. The idea of having $crooge's father die at the end of
this chapter is a simple idea in itself... but how to pull it off
properly is something else. Usually I'll know all the aspects that must
be... such as he must die in his sleep, yet $crooge should never know
that before he leaves (mostly to avoid a "scene" much too grim for a
Disney comic, even allowing what I did go with), plus he must be shown
to have a chance at a final goodbye with a character who can't be alive
at that point. It's like the "Return to Xanadu" story where it took me
two days to think of a set-up by which the Ducks could trigger the
flooding of Trala La, enter the valley, then be unable to get back to
the flood-trigger. Making the story work in these cases is exactly like
putting together a jigsaw puzzle; I have the pieces but I can't see how
they can fit together. In fact, now that I've completed the Lo$ series,
I (as usual) don't feel particularly proud of how I drew or scripted any
part of it... but I think I performed a miracle to get all the pieces to
fit together properly in a vaguely entertaining manor.
	As to your few queries... my real idea of an afterlife? My
stories reflect the typical movie version of that idea which mixes
religion with supernatural elements (mixing gods with ghosts). I don't
really have any opinion on the subject; as an agnostic, my attitude is
that the truth is unknown and unknowable.
	As for why I sometimes draw un-anchored Duck eyes, you have the
exact right idea. The small eyes make a character look "cuter"
(shudder)...so, therefore, yes, I see Matilda as being a bit prettier
than Hortense, just as her personality and temperament is milder.
	Why did Pa get younger-looking after he died? That's just the
usual movie cliche. As usual, when I did that tale I had an old movie in
my head leading me on.... and in that case it was THE GHOST AND
MRS.MUIR; that's just how the situation was handled there.
	 And, hey, there's one more thing I need to ask YOU. It occurs
to me that I'm slowly gaining an "agent" in each Egmont country to send
me a copy of that version of my stories, but I still have no one in
Sweden. Actually, Simon Sahlberg sends me copies sometimes, but I feel
bad that such a young guy spends his own money to supply me with copies
when the Swedish publisher should be but is too thoughtless or cheap
to. Could YOU set aside a copy of #45 for me??? And actually I still
need #29-31 as well (part 8). I'm not saying I need you to SEND me the
copies right away... but if you could just set the issues aside for me
so I know I have some on hold, maybe you can send them to me at some
later date.

Fredrik:
	Well, good, then there's another happy reader out there. But
don't you think some readers will object strongly to that tale? What do
you think MOST readers will think?
	The part about how $crooge got his coat was dull? I don't doubt
it. But, again, I was hampered by the "facts" and how to fit them
together logically. I knew $crooge got his broadcloth coat at a rummage
shop in Scotland in 1902; he had to be a billionaire at that point. Why
would he have needed to buy a coat at a rummage shop when he had been
wealthy for 4 years? Why such a cheap coat? A used coat? And it had to
happen at exactly that point in the story -- any later would have
interfered with the main plot. THAT was how I fit those puzzle pieces
together.
	The sun's angle in the last panel was wrong. I know. But as
careful as I am with details, I bend them when it suits the "drama". The
puzzle pieces in THIS instant were that Pa's window must face the front
of the castle. The sun must shine in his window. The front of the castle
must be visible as $crooge is seen leaving in the final panel. The sun's
rays must be a part of that last scene. I don't actually show the sun
there, but if you connect the rays, they'd meet above the distant
horizon. I might have shown the rays coming from "stage right" but
that's where the imaginary signpost was to be, plus I have a strong urge
to make certain scenes symetrical. Anyway, that again shows you that
LOTS of thought goes into even tiny details, even though I don't always
come up with the best final decision. This also goes to answer the other
commentor's remarks about the accuracy of how cartoonists treat the
shape or placement of the sun or moon. When I want a certain effect for
dramatic lighting or such, I don't let accuracy stand in my way. That's
the old "dramatic license". There's always a full moon when I need one
and it always happens to be in the right spot in the sky. You wouldn't
really want it any other way, would you?




From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Wed Nov 10 05:55:28 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 93 23:55:28 -0500
Subject: Disney-comics digest #152. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:19:16 +0100
Message-ID: <9311100455.AA25394@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	Only time for a brief message today.

	The chipmunks here in Massachusetts have long tails (not like
squirrels' tails -- kinda like cats' tails with a little more of that
chemistry-lab-pipe-cleaning-device look.  This in contrast to Chip and
Dale, whose tails are almost like mammalian versions of Donald's.

	It sounds like the Lo$ 9 is perhaps the most striking moment
in all of Duck comics.  I hate to say it, though, but... does it ever
occur to you, Don, that Disney may refuse to let Gladstone print it?
If they begin clamping down (the most obvious references, it seems,
will be this chapter and the Bombie one), what is gonna *happen* to
this masterpiece?

	If such an argument does come up, you *can* acknowledge that
Disney has okayed comic versions of their films BAMBI and THE PRINCE
AND THE PAUPER which both included characters dying (offscreen, but
with reactions onscreen).  Also, US 251 included a story written by
Bob Foster and *painted* by someone, called "'Tis the Season," in
which death and grief were the main subject (and Scrooge's reaction to
them).  That story struck me as the most emotional Duck story since
"Back to the Klondike" (it's also *much* more *overt* than "Klondike")
at its time.  Perhaps it would give you some leverage.

	Your concerned friend,

	David




From Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no  Wed Nov 10 08:32:08 1993
From: Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no (Geir.Hasnes@DELAB.SINTEF.no)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:32:08 +0100
Subject: Life and Death of Scrooges family.
Message-ID: <9311100731.AA14674@figaro.er.sintef.no>

Fredrik wroteabout Lo$ 9:
>The only thing I'm wondering
>now is; how did the kids react to this? What about your kids, Geir?

As is usual, we spared the comic book until bedtime when it arrived some
days ago. And we really enjoyed the whole thing. I was quite impressed
about the ending scene with Scrooges fathers death and I was very glad that
the death was handled in such a well-balanced and nice way. I would also
like to point out that Scrooges father and mother pointed out that their
work with the children now had ended, so now it was possible for them to
pass away.

My children enjoyed the story, as is usual, and we got a very good talk
about death and what comes after this life, and about what is told us about
eternal life and Heaven and the natural way of dying in old age. So it was
moving for me to be able to talk with them about such things out of a comic
book. Thank you so much, Don, for doing that scene. The earlier scene where
Scrooge for a short moment enters Heaven and talks with his forefathers was
a fun depiction of Heaven viewed from the McDuck family viewpoint, but not
with the depth of this scene.

Geir Hasnes





From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Wed Nov 10 09:40:18 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 09:40:18 +0100
Subject: Copies of "KA&C:o" to Don Rosa
Message-ID: <01H559KX3UC4BTS6S5@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Don: Yup! No sweat! Will do! I take it that what you want is just those issues
in which YOUR stuff is published?! Is there in that case a back-log? Any old
issues you think you've missed and would like to get as well? Just lemme know,
and I'll find them for you!

Mattias


From mark_m at super7.uccs.edu  Wed Nov 10 15:32:34 1993
From: mark_m at super7.uccs.edu (Mark A Mcconnell)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 07:32:34 -0700
Subject: D U C K
Message-ID: <9311101432.AA05798@super7.uccs.edu>


Mr. Rosa,

I would like to commend you on your recent covers at Gladstone (since that
is the only new stuff I have been seeing, in anticipation of the Life of
Scrooge series).  I am a recent duck fan.  I've been only reading duck stories
for about three years, and am just now recognizing your style versus Van Horn's
and the rest.

I truly love the amount of detail you put into every cover you do, and 
am wondering what kind of research you do for those covers.  You amaze me
nearly every time.

Lastly, someone recently showed me an addition you do to your covers, which
"forced" me to go back over old Rosa duck issues.  They say you put D U C K
on your covers with only a few exceptions.  Did your famous letters make it
on the Donald Duck cover with the Vikings?  I can't seem to find them on that
cover.

Mark McConnell


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 10 18:31:53 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 18:31:53 +0100
Subject: The number of Rosa readers
Message-ID: <199311101731.AA29163@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Don wrote:
> Mattias:
> 	So, at least for you that part 9 worked, sounds like. That
> leaves about 249,999,999 other readers to worry about. 

Is this number (250 Megapeople) based on something? Does anyone actually
KNOW how many Disney comics readers there are in the countries were
Rosa is published? (Which SHOULD BE the same as the number of Rosa readers..)

--Harry.


From HATHAWAY at stsci.edu  Wed Nov 10 22:09:58 1993
From: HATHAWAY at stsci.edu (HATHAWAY@stsci.edu)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 16:09:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Moon effects
Message-ID: <01H55MHQATAQAM3G6F@avion.stsci.edu>

Mr. Rosa said: 

>This also goes to answer the other
>commentor's remarks about the accuracy of how cartoonists treat the
>shape or placement of the sun or moon. When I want a certain effect for
>dramatic lighting or such, I don't let accuracy stand in my way. That's
>the old "dramatic license". There's always a full moon when I need one
>and it always happens to be in the right spot in the sky. You wouldn't
>really want it any other way, would you?
>

You're absolutely right.  For "dramatic license", anything goes!  Some 
of the most effective tales even suspend gravity, time, biology!  
Coleridge's "Rime of The Ancient Mariner" had a star between the 
horns - clearly impossible, but it purposely added to the surreal nature 
of the poem and was quite in keeping with the theme.  
I only object when an artist shows he or she either doesn't know any 
better or doesn't care and puts in an impossible moon that doesn't 
advance the story or is counterproductive to the effect they are trying 
to acheive.  In my business, we've got to be dead right on lunar position
so I notice such things, but in your business, the effect on the 
viewer is what is important.   BTW, a gibbous moon has dramatic possibilities 
that are rarely utilized.  

Wm. Hathaway 


From rshumper at missco02.med.osd.mil  Mon Nov  8 22:19:11 1993
From: rshumper at missco02.med.osd.mil (Rhett Shumpert)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:19:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: subscribing to Disney comics mailing list
Message-ID: <9311082119.AA01581@missco02.med.osd.mil>

An individual on the internet suggested that I contact you and ask to be
included in the Disney comics mailing list.

Thank you.
- Rhett
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From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Thu Nov 11 00:19:30 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 17:19:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Moon effects
In-Reply-To: <01H55MHQATAQAM3G6F@avion.stsci.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311101729.C15319-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, it was written:
> Mr. Rosa said: 
> >This also goes to answer the other
> >commentor's remarks about the accuracy of how cartoonists treat the
> >shape or placement of the sun or moon. When I want a certain effect for
> >dramatic lighting or such, I don't let accuracy stand in my way. That's
> >the old "dramatic license". There's always a full moon when I need one
> >and it always happens to be in the right spot in the sky. You wouldn't
> >really want it any other way, would you?

The Omaha World-Herald currently uses a variety of weather icons on the
front page to show the forecast.  The one for partly-cloudy/partly-sunny
has a sun (red circle) with a cloud in front of it, and a cloud in back of
it. 

Just my 3.2 pfennigs worth.

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Thu Nov 11 15:08:56 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 15:08:56 +0100
Subject: Changes made...
Message-ID: <01H56ZE90ADGBTS8YR@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Hiya, one'n'all!

Thought I'd let you know, in case any of you wants to/needs to know: I'm
changing my adress, as of December 1st 1993 to:

Mattias Hallin
Trollebergsvagen 24 B
S-222 29 Lund
SWEDEN

Phonenumber is still (0)46-14 84 43.

Just thought I'd let ya know...

Mattias


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Thu Nov 11 15:34:37 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 11 Nov 93 09:34:37 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #153.
Message-ID: <931111143437_72260.2635_EHK36-2@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS ON #153:
	Lotsa quick comments...
David: I never worry about whether Disney will allow Gladstone to print
one of my stories. I do the story as I think it should be, right or
wrong, and that's all I care about. If Disney acts in a typically
moronic fashion, that can't be my problem -- it would be the readers'
job to bring them around. I don't gain any sort of "leverage" from past
precedents since I never seek to excert any power in such editorial
matters -- that's John Clark's job. He doesn't interfere with me and I
owe him the respect to let him do his job. Besides, I'd be sorry if
America didn't see one of my stories, but I'll still know that's just a
drop in the bucket -- there's about 40,000 Disney readers in all of
North America, compared to millions in Europe. There's probably more
than 40,000 Disney readers just in Oslo alone!
	Which brings me to jump on to Harry's question as to whether
anyone has readership figures of the Disney comics. Surely you know that
anyone who publishes ANYTHING has detailed figures on their readership,
being the single most important data they search out; on this they
establish their distribution and ad rates. I'm positive Oberon knows
where each of their issues sells. Egmont has detailed figures for each
country. In Germany the weekly sells over a million per week. In Norway
(4,000,000 vikings) it sells 250,000 each week; in Norway (as in other
Egmont countries) they even have comic-book-"Neilsen Families" who
report on what they liked or disliked, etc., and by these reports they
know, f'rinstance, that every comic they sell is read by 4 people
(that's rather different than in America where I doubt that there's 1
reader per 4 sold comics). In Finland (pop.=?) they sell 350,000 per
week and that's ALL BY MAIL SUBSCRIPTION! ($$) I think I was addressing
a Swede when I pulled a circulation figure outta the air, and I don't
really know if KALLE ANKA & CO. sells a quarter-million per week there.
I do believe that, per capita, Norway or Finland sell more Disney comics
than anywhere else on Earth.

Geir:  I'm especially proud that you approved of part 9 of Lo$, you who
are so outspoken and critical! That gives me courage! And I am getting
a bit nervous at the thought of my putting parents in a position of
reading a Disney comic about DEATH to their kiddies -- believe it or
not, I never think that I'm doing comics for children and I don't worry
about that sort of thing (whereas maybe I should in this sorta
instance). As I asked before, do you think most readers or readers'
parents will like that chapter?
	Actually, MY favorite part was when $crooge's sisters were
teasing him about the lock of hair in his safety deposit box, and
getting him rattled while he was trying to ignore them. Seldom does one
of my own bits make me chuckle each time I read it, but I thought this
scene was kinda cute. No. I did not say "cute"!

Mattias:  No, thanks, I think Simon has kept me supplied up to part 8,
but I'm trying to take the load off that he voluntarilly took on.

Mark:  I do research out the wazoo when I do a story, but what sort of
research would I do when I draw a cover? I just pick a scene from the
story (mine or Barks') and depict it as it was. Well, but I just
yesterday did a cover for the German "Don Rosa Library" for part 3 & 4
of the Lo$ with $crooge rootin' & tootin' across a desert, and I did get
out some books to draw accurate cacti, gila monsters, kangaroo rats,
roadrunners, horses, sagebrush, rocks....... yeah, maybe I DO do
research on covers.
	And you can stop searching for the "D.U.C.K." on that Viking
cover. I (blush) plain FORGOT to put one in there! But you know to find
it in all my splash panels, too, right?
	Actually, I had recently decided to STOP putting a dedication to
Barks in my work, but then decided that there is an invisible 'W' in the
dedication, making it now "D.edicated to U.nca C.arl's work from K.eno".

Wm:  A "gibbous" moon? I hadta look that one up. In other words, one
that is over half full? You can imagine why cartoonists never use that
one. It would look odd and just strike the reader as a lopsided full
moon. In fact, any full moon that someone like Van Horn would draw would
look gibbous since it wouldn't be round. I'm the former engineer. I use
compasses and templates on full moons, Duck heads & eyes, buttons,
eyeglasses, etc., etc., plus evry single ellipse I draw (including ALL
the coins in Money Bin close-ups). (Yes, I am insane.)

Torsten: It might surprize you that, if you walked down a street
quizzing everyone on their understanding of the sun, moon and stars,
you'd be appalled at what little they know and more appalled at how
little they care about what little they know. A great number of the
unwashed DO believe this thing they hear called "outer space" is blue
and filled with clouds. My sister once wondered (when she was in her
20's) why the Apollo astronauts didn't stop off on other planets on
their way to the moon. My college roommate had no concept of how large
the sun was or how far away it was (maybe it was the size of a
Volkswagan and 1000 ft. up?) and he thought meteors were pieces of
planets that broke off and fell down to earth. And I wouldn't even try
to quiz my father about what he knows or cares about such things -- his
knowledge about the universe is probably on a par with a modern 5 year
old. I would bet most Americans would believe you if you told them that
there were clouds around the sun, as long as you got on with the
discussion about football and stopped being an egghead.

	Anyway, I'v been so busy that I had not as yet said where I WENT
last week. Since I'd had a nice week in Norway, and lotsa nice weekends
all the time as a guest at various conventions around the U.S., I
decided to take my wife on a deserved vacation. "Hey! Don Rosa! You just
completed your 2 1/2 long project of the 211 page 'Life and Times of
$crooge McDuck'! Whaddiya gonna do NOW!" "I'm goin' t' DISNEYWORLD!" (Do
you Europeans get those Disney commercials?) Anyway, I went to
DisneyWorld, and you can just imagine what it's like for ME when I
visit! Admission tickets are FREE. I am allowed to enter the Park early
and stay as long as I like! I never need to wait and I'm allowed to go
to the head of all the lines! Souvenirs are free! I get a free deluxe
suite in any Disney Resort I choose! I get a free rental car! And all
meals at all the expensive Disney restaurants are complementary! It's
heaven on earth for a superstar like me!
	Raise your hands. How many of you know not a word of any of that
is true? I'm just another schmo in DisneyWorld. Now, it WOULD be like
all that if I WERE somebody... like the businessman who sells the Park
its toilet paper or somebody like that.
	Actually, I did get a bit of "special treatment": I always carry
with me my "#1 Dime". After I named it as such, I always carry in my
pocket an 1875 seated-Liberty American DIME... just a private lil' joke
or memento or whatever. Well, after being at WDW for nearly a week, I
decided it was foolish to be carrying that Dime on Splash Mountain or
these other rides where it MIGHT drop out of my pocket. So I took it and
placed it in the middle of a shelf in a cabinet in my hotel room in
Disney's (el cheapo) Carribean Beach Resort, and went on my way. I was
afraid I'd forget to get it the next day when we left, so the first
thing I did when I got back to the hotel that night was go to the
cabinet to get my Dime and put it back with the rest of my pocket
change.
	It was gone. The maid had stolen it.
	Naturally nothing can be done in that sort of situation. The
hotel can never be sure that a guest didn't just misplace his lost
valuable and seek to blame an innocent maid. And if the maid were
accused, all she needs to do is deny it and since there's no proof,
that's the end of it. Mattias, who ALSO has his own 1875 Dime, will know
that if that maid takes my well-worn Dime, which she assumes must be a
valuable rare coin, to a coin dealer to sell it, the dealer will only
pay her about 30 cents for it. That's how UNvaluable they are. I wish I
could see her face!
	But, the fact remains, that what a sorceress-supreme like Magica
DeSpell couldn't steal in 30 years of trying, a DISNEY EMPLOYEE swiped
in one hour. 
	THAT'S the kind of "special treatment" I always get from Disney.

	And so it goes...




From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Thu Nov 11 15:41:12 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 11 Nov 93 09:41:12 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #153.
Message-ID: <931111144111_72260.2635_EHK36-3@CompuServe.COM>

ARRRGH! 

Harry! 
	I just reread the last Digest just before I deleted it, and I
see you were wondering about something I'd said about "249,999,999
readers". YIPES! I meant 249,999 readers!!! I had a whole extra pile of
9's in there!!!

	It reminds me of what Jethro Bodine once said concerning what he
was learning in his Beverly Hills school: "Y'know, Uncle Jed... the
funny thing about noughts (0's) is that by themselves they ain't worth
shucks... but you start pilin' 'em up behind some OTHER number, and them
lil' rascals is DYNAMITE!!!"




From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Fri Nov 12 03:52:28 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 21:52:28 -0500
Subject: Disney-comics digest #154. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 12 Nov 93 01:19:15 +0100
Message-ID: <9311120252.AA12793@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	A few things to say today.


	The theft of Don's #1 Dime
	=== ===== == ===== == ====

	This was shameful to read about.  Don, did you try combing the
rug for the thing?  I'm not sure exactly what that cabinet looked
like, and if it had no door to it, then perhaps the maid swept a dust
mop across the shelves and knocked Old #1 to the floor.

	But then again, she may be melting it down somewhere by now
(sorry, Don... I'm not making light of the theft, but just couldn't
help it after *you* mentioned Magica.  Actually, I'm bothered by this
just as YOU were)

	I take it then that 1875 is the year you've put on Scrooge's
real Old #1?  (Remember, I haven't seen the Lo$ yet except one German
chapter... actually, that's the first, so I have no excuse for not
knowing the date!  So I can go out and get myself one now?  Maybe I can
actually make a case for it like Scrooge has ;-)


	Disney sales in the U. S.
	====== ===== == === == ==

	John Clark told me that his new comics ALREADY sell MUCH
better than Disney's did -- about twice as well.  He prints over
100,000 of them now, as opposed to Disney which printed about 60,000.

	I thought there was some country in Scandinavia where the
weekly WDC&S equivalent sold near the mid-'50s Dell equivalent of
4,000,000 copies.  Does this happen anywhere anymore?  Recent
discussion pegged the number at 250,000 but I think it may be much
larger.

	250,000 was, by the way, the press run of WDC&S #1, which was
published on August 28, 1940, the day of my Dad's birth!  (If you look
at the annual publication info in the 1940s Dells, they establish the
publication date for each issue as being the 28th day of the month two
before the cover month.)


	Don's cover to USA #24
	===== ===== == === ===

	Actually, I saw this when I visited John Clark in July, but I
didn't get a good look at it then.  Now that I've bought it... Don, the
cover was in many ways among your best.  Two minor criticisms;  the
nephew nearest to the camera was seen from the side and lacked his
usual round forehead for a lumpy 1960s-Barks-style one.  I prefer it
the other way, which is more consistent with your usual
Duck-drawing-style anyway.  Also, Scrooge's face looks somehow flat --
I mean as if it were a drawing of his face from the front that had
been turned 45 degrees.
	Other than that, a swell cover, particularly Donald and the
one nephew who was letting out a yell.  (You do Duck double-takes very
nicely.  All together now:  GREAT HOWLIN' CRASHWAGONS!)


	The DD Birthday story
	=== == ======== =====

	Don... maybe you should tell John Clark yourself about that DD
60th-anniversary story you're doing.  I told you I'd tell him last
week, but have been unsuccessful at reaching him.  (But then, he MAY
call me soon... I just sent a dialog to him for some late-1994 U$
issue, so he'll have something to talk to me about.  Anyway, I'd call
him if I were you... this is a story he'll want to know about before
you'd normally send him a copy, since he'll be scheduling that issue
not too long from now.)


	My Review:  US 283
	== =======  == ===

	A fine Barks story, of course (first reprint in regular comics
since 1981).  I absolutely loved the Beagle Boys story -- it was clear
that this was one Gary Gabner really enjoyed, since he pulled a great
(con?) job on it.  The Gyro story was adequate (very, very bland art),
but one that Gabner must *not* have liked since his dialog was dry 
and dull.  The dialog was okay on the third Danish story, "Old
Friend," but I found it a TERRIBLE plot with EXCREABLE art.

	Grades:  FOXY RELATIONS A;  A HARD DAY'S THIEVING A-;  SKATE
LATE C;  OLD FRIEND D-.


	My Review:  DM 21
	== =======  == ==

	The Donald story was okay... but I'm actually beginning to
numb to Barks ten-pagers, even many good ones.  Unlike in Europe, just
because the ten-pager is constantly in print in an album DOESN'T mean
that it won't oust a good Dutch story (or some other person's
potential creation) from one of the regular comics at any time.
Grade:  A (for quality).
	The Mickey and the Sleuth story was very funny... but don't
take that to mean that I felt it was good that it was reprinted.  The
humor had nothing to do with Mickey, who was so obviously playing a
role here that he even spoke stilted stage lines ("Egad!  I do believe
there is a pigeon feather in my soup!").  When MM gets his name in the
comic's title, he should be the lead character in his own story.  This
could have been *anyone's* role.  Grade:  C.


	My Review:  USA 24
	== =======  === ==

	"The Little Gronins" had excellent artwork but a dull and
sometimes INCOMPREHENSIBLE dialog job.  The Gronins never explained
why they thought Scrooge was going to flood their village -- he was
cutting down TREES, right?  And the final gag about the mayor taking
the Gronins for HDL was harmed badly by the fact that HDL were all
visible in the panel.  Grade:  C-.
	"Trapped Lightning" is a favorite of mine since it's a Barks
story with MM characters in it.  (I know -- they weren't ORIGINALLY to
be there -- but I like it just the same.)  Grade:  B.
	"The Minus de Milo" had a VERY GOOD dialog writer (a new
guy!)... his humor was first-rate.  My only problem was that he was
far too WORDY -- some balloons had TWO unrelated lines, whereas one
woulda been enough.  But I'll give him time.  Grade:  B-.


	I'll shut up for now... I've gone on yammering long enough and
you're probably all sick and tired!  BTW:  Fabio... any interesting
revelations on Pedrocchi these days?

	Your friend,


	David






From Even.Flood at due.unit.no  Fri Nov 12 13:03:18 1993
From: Even.Flood at due.unit.no (Even Flood)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:03:18 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Don's visit to Norway
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9311121418.A29214-0100000@due.unit.no>

As you all know, Don was in Norway  in September. The trip
and press conference was covered in several newspapers,
I have made a translation of some them (the ones I found). 
The were from Aftenposten, Dagbladet and Bergens Tidende.
If anyone knows of any other stories, pleas tell me 
(and Don) so we can get the thme as well.

I am on the borderline of breaking netiquette here as
this is material wich is copyrighted with the 
publishers. However, it is interviews with Don and the
main bulk of the stories are his statements. So as
far as he gives it OK (he has!), I am on the right line
of the border (at least morally).

Even

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>From Aftenposten sept. 28 1993

Author: Lars Keilhau
Draft translation by Even Flood

(Picture of Don Rosa with GOTLL looking at (and reading
to?) a large figure of Donald. Looks like they are
enjoying a gag in the book...)

Rosa - the world's largest Donald-fan

- Donald is the only comics character with soul, the only
one worth drawing. Says Don Rosa, who has taken the
heritage of the legendary Donald creator Carl Barks.

The American Don Rosa is a very modest man. He is in
Norway to talk about his latest Donald story, made
especially for the Year of the Book: "Guardians of the
Lost Library". But most of all he wants to talk about
television's moronic influence on the youths of America
who no longer read, not even comics. If one can talk about
a mission, he has this: European parents must stop their
children from becomming TV addicts.

- I grew up with Donald, and Carl Barks' stories gave me
much because they were so full of details, so close to
reality. I am trying to follow this tradition, without
coming close to being that good.

That is a statement many "Donaldists" will contest. For
example: "Guardians of the Lost Library - the story about
the origin of the Woodchuck manual" (out this week) can
get a, not necesarily sworn comics fan to open the eyes.
The amount of details, among other things, is fascinating.
And Rosa loves to point out that he used a long time in
research before the story was finished. These buildings
are drawn from actual houses and these hieroglyphics do
spell "Cleopatra"  - even if only I know that - and
Columbus did have a bookshop at one time as it is told
here. 

In 1987 Rosa sold his engineering firm to draw Donald full
time. 

- I knew I would just earn enought to pay the rent and
food. On the other side I could remain home and do what I
wanted most to do, anbd that I think is more than most
people get out of life. It turned out there was more money
in comics than I thought - in Europe. But I did not know
that when I started. 

In USA the comics are almost dead. It is bought only by
speculators and collectors.
- Who never reads the magazines but keeps them in plastic
bags sneers Rosa. Who has about 50 000 comics in a room at
home. Together with 500 donald figures - which he also
collects. - But I will never be as crazy as to pay 5000
dollars for a figure, as some do. 

Don Rosa is one of the few comics artists who does
everything himself: Writes the text, draws, colours. 

- There are not many of us left. Usually three to four
people are engaged in making a comics, if not more. If I
had to leave some of the work to someone else, I would
have gone back to my former occupation. The fun is doing
everything myself, down to the smallest detail. 

Don Rosa has one great sorrow in his life: That he has
never met hid idol Carl Barks. 

- I have tried several times over the last six or seven
years, but I have slowly come to realize that for some
reason he does not want to meet me. It hurts. 

But there are many who wants to meet Don Rosa - in Europe.

- At home nobody knows who I am, here I have so many fans
that it is too much. I think the Mid-Atlantic should be
just the place for me - there it would be somewhere in
between.

Says Rosa with twinkling eyes. And does not really
complain over the fact that for a while he is the center
of attention

----------------------------------------------------------

>From Dagbladet sept. 28, 1993

by Frode Christiansen
Draft translation by Even Flood

Large (half of the page) picture of Don with GOTTL.

Don Donald visiting the world champions.

Did you know, says he, that you in little Norway buy more
than 1500 times more Donald magazines in one year than the
gigantic USA? Maybe you are the world champion Donald
readers.

No, we did not know and we object strongly when when the
American Donald creator and artist Don Rosa tries to say
things like that. He is on a brief visit to Oslo. The
reason for the visit is "The year of the Book"
1993 commemorating that it is 350 years since we 
started printing books. And that he has been commisioned 
to write and draw a special Donald-magazine about 
the origin of the Woodchuck guidebook. 

But yes, what Don Rosa tells us is the strict truth. And
he explains:

- I USA you have to go 40 years back to find the great
Donald era. Today Americans have stopped reading a long
time ago. They do not read books and they do not read
cartoons. 

TV - slaves

- The last is perhaps the worst. When it comes to comics
they are often your first meeting with what later is to
become love of reading. For the magical and wonderful
world of books.
- What then do the growing americans do?
- What the do? They watch TV, all the time. Not because
they necesarily want to, but because they think it is
something they must. When Americans buy something it is
not necesarily something they need, something useful, and
which perhaps could help them develop themselves. No, they
buy whatever they think they have to buy, that they see
the parents buy, the neighbours buy and the classmates
buy.
- For Americans it is more important to get the "correct"
make of car than to consider using a few days to some of
their spiritual needs. 
- It is that bad where I come from. But fortunately it is
not that way in Scandinavia or in the rest of Europe or in
great parts of the world. You should be immensly grateful
for that. The alternative is emptyminded dull stuff. I see
that who is an American, says Don Rosa.

Treasure hunt.

- Now you have added another Donald magazine to your
production?
- Yes, I have written a treasure hunt starting with the
lost library of Alexandria, the antique's most
legendfilled collection of knowledge and entertainment.
And here the "Woodchuck Guidebook" has a role as the key
to the mystery. 
- What I did not know was that a Norwegian architect firm
had won UNESCO's competition where the assignmet was to
design a new library there. That gives my job an extra
dimension since the magazine I created was an assignment
from a Norwegian publisher, says Don Rosa.

What we did not know was that Cleopatra founded the
Woodchuck momement, at least if Huey, Louie and Dewey are
right. Even if they hate the thought that a girl can have
done it. 


----------------------------------------------------------

>From Bergens Tidende Sept 28. 1993
(This one was not too easy. The copy I had was a telefax
of a xerox copy of the original wich is in small writing.
So some words were blurred, not to mention the picture.)

Author: Oivind Holen
Draft tranlsation by Even Flood

Picture of Don Rosa peering out behind GOTTL. He looks
like something out of a horror movie, but that may be
due to the abovementioned xerox-telefax effect. Then again
it might not.. Caption: Secrets. Keno Don Rosa gives us a
glimpse of what really hides behind the persons in
Duckburg.

He reveals the mysteries

I am immensely proud that I am given the opportunity to
tell my stories, but I often feel that my drawings are
terrible. Often I cannot bear to look at them later.

It is the great contemporary Donald artist, Keno Don Rosa
(42) who says this to Bergens Tidende. He is at present in
Oslo in connection with "The year of the Book 1993". Don
Rosa presented his work "Guardians of the lost Library"
yesterday.

The story reveals the mystery about the Woodchuck
Guidebook, the inexhaustible source of wisdom that has the
answer to absolutely everything. The book turns out to
have close connections to the   legendary library of 
Alexandria. 
- I wanted to show the riches books contain and how the
Woodchuck Guidebook can contain all that information it
does, says Don Rosa.
- The library in Alexandria is the largest book treasure
in the world, and it was natural to involve Uncle Scrooge
in a treasure hunt for these books. 
- Is it right to reveal all the mysteries of Duckburg? Are
you not worried about destroyng som of the mystery of the
series?
- Yes, I am concerned about it, but I just cannot contain
myself. But if you do not want the secrets revealed, you
should not read my comics!

Only Duckburg

Rosa cannot imagine anything else than making Disney
series. 
- Carl Barks' comics made a tremendous impression on me
when I was a child, he says.
- I was not interested in reading comics with animal
characters. But Barks' tales were not stories about
animals. The were stories about real people, not about
animals behaving like people. I enjoyed reading stories
that did not treat the reader as an idiot.
- For me it is no alternative to making stories about the
Ducks in Duckburg. I have been offered to make other
comics, but that means I will make less Duck stories, and
that is out of the question.
- I enjoy writing stories, to me the story is the most
important part of the comics, says Don Rosa.
- But Carl Barks is not enthusiatic about my comics. He
does not like that I use his characters and stories, and
shows little understanding for my work.
- What tales can Don Rosa offer in the near future?
- I have several pages of ideas at home. I have made a
story in connection with the winter olympics at
Lillehammer , and I am possibly going to make something 
in connection with the 60 year aniversary of Donald next
year. In addition I have to finish the "Life of Scrooge",
says Don Rosa.
- I am probably never going to write the story about the
parents of Huey, Dewey and Louie, although I have it
finished in my head. The problem is that such a tale
cannot have a happy ending. Either the parents ar alive or
they are dead. If they live, the boys have to choose
between living with the parents or with Donald, and no
matter what happens, the story will have a sad ending.  




From Even.Flood at due.unit.no  Fri Nov 12 14:51:48 1993
From: Even.Flood at due.unit.no (Even Flood)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:51:48 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Lo$, #9
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9311121548.A29817-0100000@due.unit.no>

I want to add my two cents to the praise for
Lo$, #9. My only major criticism is that it was
too short! I want more! and more! and.....

The ending was beautiful, once I figured it out.
Actually several of us old timers had some
trouble discovering what was happening - 
"You don't do THAT in a Disney Comic!!??"  
So I had to read it several times before I finally
discovered the bed in one of the last panels.

Actually, on rereading the series, I feel that 
the death of Scrooge's mother in #8 was much 
grimmer and brutal.

One minor point I had som difficulties with is 
the conflict between Scrooge and the Highlanders. 
The cause of the behaviour of the Highlanders
seems too inconsistent - why do they taunt Scrooge 
in the most outrageous way in one panel and in the
next they do not understand why he reacts?
If the taunting just is some friendly bantering or joking
gesture and Scrooge reacts in a wrong way to that,
I could understand what was going on, but I do not
see that interpretation in the pictures. But maybe I 
missed something?

Even




From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Fri Nov 12 15:45:50 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:45:50 +0100
Subject: No 1 dimes
Message-ID: <01H58FHX6IWKBTSAQB@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Don: 'twas a sad story you had to tell us Don, about your trip to
Disneyworld; regarding lack of reception and loss of dime equally so - but I
can't say I'm exactly surprised... Myself, I thought that Disneyworld was a
half-decent amusement park (a teensy-weensy bit too neat, and somewhat dull
rides once you've tried a coupla) ...at least, I'm not surprised that you
didn't get any particular recognition, since apart from exterior things,
Disneyworld hasn't got very much to do with any of the really interesting
aspects of Disney in general - and even less with Disney comics (and their
statue of Cornelius Coot is TOO SMALL!!!)

David: if you consider getting yourself an 1875 dime - be sure to check the
mint-mark, too. Myself I decided on an no-mint-mark-dime (i.e. Philadelphia
minted) since that one was the least valuable of the 1875's - or so the dealer
said when he looked it up in his catalog. I paid 10 kronor (at that time
roughly a dollar an' a half) for mine, which is also VERY worn (although I'm
not SURE I could cut a rope with it yet...). I don't remember if Don had
anything to say about a mint-mark (if any); but as I said, you might want to
check it out beforehand.

My dime, by the way, is actually my FIRST dime - it is indeed the very first US
dime I ever owned (ain't none of you can say that - haha!); although of course
not in any way my first personal income...

So... over here it is now Friday, and closing on 4 o'clock PM; so I'll wish you
all a nice week-end, and to David a Gut Shabbes! and then I think I'll mosey on
home... Ah, freedom, freedom - a whole glorious week-end of FREEDOM!!!

Mattias


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Fri Nov 12 15:48:26 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 08:48:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Disney-comics digest #154. 
In-Reply-To: <9311120252.AA12793@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311120825.A21183-b100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, David A Gerstein wrote:
> 	Dear Folks,
> 	A few things to say today.
> 	My Review:  USA 24
> 	== =======  === ==
> 	"The Minus de Milo" had a VERY GOOD dialog writer (a new
> guy!)... his humor was first-rate.  My only problem was that he was
> far too WORDY -- some balloons had TWO unrelated lines, whereas one
> woulda been enough.  But I'll give him time.  Grade:  B-.

I had some problems with this.  First of all, it is a time travel story,
so why couldn't they just go back a few days before, and get it then? 
Time travel is a murky device; do they change the future, does time happen
irregardless of what they do, do they cause the timeline to split?  

We never learn why the villain was angry about his mother's statue.  Was
it a bad likeness?  Was it taboo to carve statues of known people?

Wouldn't Scrooge be glad to get an ancient Greek vase?  One in mint
condition (it hadn't aged in the time machine)?  Especially since he
didn't get the arms and head?

Also, I think the writer tried to explain why the island was abandoned. 
There may be a historical footnote here, as I think the kingdom vanished
in our world.  Don, I think you could take this premise and expand it
greatly.  Maybe even have HDL decipher that Minoan tongue no one else can
figure out.  I don't know if Scrooge has voyaged to the Greek Isles
(wasn't there a Golden Fleece story?), but it would allow for some
wonderful art to be shown.  

My grade:  C-


Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From BAUERLE at THING1.ERIE.GE.COM  Sat Nov 13 02:20:31 1993
From: BAUERLE at THING1.ERIE.GE.COM (RON, ELECT. CARD DESIGN, 42-2, X2489)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:20:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Digest #155
Message-ID: <931112202031.202016b2@THING1.ERIE.GE.COM>

I hope my first post isn't too spammy or off-topic for people, but here 
goes:

>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 14:03:18 +0200 (METDST)
>From: Even Flood <Even.Flood at due.unit.no>
>Subject: Don's visit to Norway

>Don Rosa has one great sorrow in his life: That he has
>never met hid idol Carl Barks. 

That's a bit of a shame...

>- I have tried several times over the last six or seven
>years, but I have slowly come to realize that for some
>reason he does not want to meet me. It hurts. 
[...]
>- But Carl Barks is not enthusiatic about my comics. He
>does not like that I use his characters and stories, and
>shows little understanding for my work.

If it's any consolation, Chuck Jones apparently feels the same way about 
Tiny Toon Adventures; i.e., they're nowhere near as good as the work _he_
did on the original Warner Brothers characters.  While I respect his right 
to hold this opinion, and Carl Barks to hold his, I won't let it stop me 
from enjoying the work of all four.  However, I must say I prefer the newer 
work in both cases.  

I don't mean to denigrate Jones or Barks, but it sounds like ego's getting 
in the way of an objective opinion.

Thanks for the newspaper article translations - they were very informative.  
I had no _idea_ that Disney Comics were so popular in Europe.  The 
biographical info on Don was interesting too - I wish I'd read it before I 
replied to his last e-mail message; oh well - I was just wondering given his
frustration (to use a polite term) at his dealings with Disney why he stuck 
with it.  Now I know - he loves the work _that_ much.

I think I've said enough for now.  

RDB


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Sat Nov 13 05:53:47 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 12 Nov 93 23:53:47 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #155.
Message-ID: <931113045346_72260.2635_EHK38-5@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS ON #155:

David:
	Listen, I would never accuse anyone of something like theft
unless I was ABSOLUTELY SURE of what I was talking about. I'd left that
Dime in the center of a shelf behind closed cabinet doors, and we
searched the floor and other furniture to make CERTAIN the maid hadn't
knocked it about or moved it somewhere. (And my wife also saw that I'd
left it on the shelf, picked it up to verify that it was my #1, then
definitely replaced it to the spot in the middle of the empty shelf.

Even:
	Thanks for posting those Norwegian articles! Perhaps someone
will post a translation of a full-page article that just appeared in the
German weekly Newsweek-type news magazine about me which I just found
out about 2 days ago. It had a SLIGHTLY different attitude than the
articles you translate, and I'm wondering who is up to some strange
tricks (though I have suspicions).
	And you were puzzled by the Highlanders who seemed to change
their attitude toward $crooge so suddenly? That was either a bad joke or
my weird sense of humor. The Highlanders would be very resentful of
someone who did what $crooge had done, then be puzzled that he would
object to the sort of treatment that any outsider should expect? Well,
sometimes I shoot a blank.
	Oh, yes... the death of $crooge's mother was meant to be handled
with far more brutality, but then much more obscurely and off-camera.
That was my second writing of that Klondike chapter -- Byron had nixed
my entire first story and said he wanted something really BRUTAL for
what should be $crooge's toughest days. So, I said, okay boy, stand
back! Pa's death was much more tenderly done, but what almost literally
on-camera.

Mattias:
	Absolutely right! The no-mint-mark is the correct choice as it
would be worth LESS than the others. The idea is that the Dime has no
value other than inspiration. And as maid bait.




From dubach1 at husc.harvard.edu  Sun Nov 14 05:37:37 1993
From: dubach1 at husc.harvard.edu (dubach1@husc.harvard.edu)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 23:37:37 -0500
Subject: Could you add me to the Disney mailing list?
Message-ID: <9311140437.AA12629@husc7.harvard.edu>

Dave Gerstein sent me. :)

Thanks,
Joev


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Sun Nov 14 06:27:41 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 14 Nov 93 00:27:41 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #156.
Message-ID: <931114052740_72260.2635_EHK29-1@CompuServe.COM>

	Here's that German article I referred to. The translator of the
German comics (Klaus Strzyz) sent me a copy with the translation. This
appeared last week in the German news magazine FOCUS which they say is
like their version of NEWSWEEK or something. The article was a full
page and reprinted panels from the first page of my "The Duck who Fell
to Earth", including the first panel where DD & U$ are walking through
an area of junk yards to get to $crooge's salvage yard... and they
compare the panel of DD enetering the salvage yard to an old Barks
panel of DD entering his own backyard. The captions explain that this
is how I draw all of Duckberg and even Donald Duck's home. The text:

	DUCKBURG UNDER GARBAGE

	A DISNEY ARTIST LAYS HANDS ON THE DUCK FAMILY 
	EVERYTHING IS GETTING POISONED

	Duckburg, clean middle class home of Donald Duck, is totally
rotten; the once so cared for streets have ugly potholes; in the once so
nice gardens you find car wrecks, and rats chase stray cats through the
streets.
	Such conditions irritate the American Disney fans because they
remind them more of the dirty world of "Fritz the Cat" than of Duckburg
where, according to Disney, everything should be clean forever and its
inhabitants should always stay the same.
	Responsible for these rotten conditions is the American Don
Rosa, 42. The former construction engineer sold his wealthy company to
concentrate on Duckburg, and he placed the ducks from their suburban
idyll into a real existing big city American punkworld. This brought him
among fans a lot of worship and some consider him already as the only
legitimate heir to the legendary Disney artist Carl Barks who once
invented the Duck family.
	Those near to life stories have come to the attention of the
European Disney licensee Egmont in Copenhagen and their German daughter
Ehapa in Leifelden-Echterdingen. For the first time for years American
stories are ordered for the German books; in the years before it was
mainly the other way around. "Their livliness is so special, and as a
result the unusual way of drawing is accepted", says Ehapa publisher
Cornelia Stahl. Next Spring the publisher will bring the collected
stories of Don Rosa in bookform onto the market".
	This is a rather rare honor because until now the artists'
identities were always kept secret.
	"He is going to become a cult artist", says the literature
expert and Disney specialist Matthias Kringe.
	On the other hand, the anti-Rosa group cannot be ignored. It is
not only Rosa's fun on details until the last trash can that they don't
like. The artist from Louisville, Kentucky, has commited a sacrilege:
"The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" which is appearing in German now.
	For decades it was in the dark what transgressor Rosa will
uncover soon: Uncle Scrooge's father was a nice but penniless craftsman,
his mother a housewife. His first dime was earned in Glasgow. ANd his
notorious thrifty career he started on a soft evening in May in - no
wonder - Louisville, Kentucky.





From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Sun Nov 14 20:13:22 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 13:13:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Top Publishers for November 1993 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311141322.D9842-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


F.Y.E.	(24th this month)
Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTARCTIC at delphi.com
To: comix at world.std.com
Subject: Top Publishers for November 1993

Here's a quick list of the top publishers for November 1993,
by dollar share of the direct market, as reported by Capital City.
 
Publisher         Year 92   6/93    7/93     8/93    9/93   10/93   11/93

[...]

Gladstone            .26%    .17%    .24%     .24%    .28%    .22%    .32%

[...]



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Sun Nov 14 21:13:19 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 14:13:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #156.
In-Reply-To: <931114052740_72260.2635_EHK29-1@CompuServe.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311141317.G9842-c100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On 14 Nov 1993, Don Rosa wrote: 
> Here's that German article I referred with the translation. This appeared
> last week in the German news magazine FOCUS which they say is like their
> version of NEWSWEEK or something. 

It looks more like Time.  I prefer Der Spiegel.

> The article was a full page and reprinted panels from the first page of my
> "The Duck who Fell to Earth", including the first panel where DD & U$ are
> walking through an area of junk yards to get to $crooge's salvage yard... 
> DUCKBURG UNDER GARBAGE 
> A DISNEY ARTIST LAYS HANDS ON THE DUCK FAMILY 
> EVERYTHING IS GETTING POISONED 
> Duckburg, clean middle class home of Donald Duck, is totally rotten;  the 
> once so cared for streets have ugly potholes; in the once so nice gardens
> you find car wrecks, and rats chase stray cats through the streets.  Such
> conditions irritate the American Disney fans because they remind them more
> of the dirty world of "Fritz the Cat" than of Duckburg where, according to
> Disney, everything should be clean forever and its 
> inhabitants should always stay the same.
	
	So, Don, when will Scrooge and Company visit Rio de Janiero for
Carnivale?  And what does the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook have to say
about it?
	I was a bit shocked when I saw that scene, but I like a bit of
realism in my comic books.  What?  You expect a garbage dump to look
spotless?  Maybe at DisneyWorld. 


Two positives: 
	1) They spelled your name right.
	2) As a librarian who followed last year's brouhaha over Madonna's
_Sex_, I will guarantee that you will probably sell more copies, because
more people will be wanting to read this "pornographic" Disney.  I don't
think you need to be worried about public opinion making it's way to
Disney.  Unless, of course, the American media blows it out of proportion. 
In which case, you will sell even more copies.  Personally, I think the
media reaction will be more like the Death of Superman instead of the
Death of Frankenstein.

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Mon Nov 15 00:17:29 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 18:17:29 -0500
Subject: SUCCESS!
Message-ID: <9311142317.AA07668@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	Nothing to do today but spread some news!

	Last night I talked with Anina Bennett from Egmont, and it
turns out that they have now accepted and purchased my SECOND Duck
story, "Pork-Barrel Politics" (a sequel to "The Think Box Bollix")!!!
HALLELUJAH!!!

	It'll be eons till it's drawn -- let alone printed -- given
how Egmont sits on stories... but I can at least promise you a good
story when it's eventually printed.

	And my third story, "Rolling in Dough" featuring Donald and
Bornworthy against the Beagle Boys, is almost finished.

	(I'm talking original stories, as opposed to the dialogs of
foreign stories, done for Gladstone)

	Whoopee!  Hotcha!  Hot Diggety Dog!  Yowie!

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein

	"What a peculiar language these natives speak!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

	P. S.  Don, why have we never seen Bornworthy in one of your
stories?  (Okay, he *might* be in "Fir-Tree Fracas"... I can't
remember right now.  But I mean a major role...)



From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Mon Nov 15 01:48:59 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 19:48:59 -0500
Subject: Rosa rebuked in Germany... by whom?
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 15 Nov 93 01:19:06 +0100
Message-ID: <9311150049.AA13493@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	The German article making gross generalizations and
out-and-out misrepresentations of Don Rosa's work came as a real
shock.  What's more, Don mentioned that he thought he knew who was
behind it.  The now-infamous Grandeys?  *Who*?

	To be 100% fair, I noticed a bit of resemblance to R. Crumb's
stuff in the very earliest Rosa stories, but then, I always viewed
Crumb as a combination of Barks and Ub Iwerks (take a look at Ub's old
MM strips if you want further backing -- they're reprinted in the
Disney ADVENTURES magazine on sale in a few days, due to MM's 65th
birthday), but of course with a very different sensibility, which in
my case isn't the kind of thing I like to read.

	Actually, I'd say that the Duck stories with the greatest
resemblance to underground comix have to be those that Bill Van Horn
did for about the first four months of his Gladstone tenure.  I was
actually uncomfortable with his style at the very beginning, though it
soon improved vastly.

	The complaints about Rosa in this article are virtually
identical to the few anti-Rosa letters I saw in the old Gladstone
comics.  (I saw no anti-Rosa letters in Disney's comics, although
there were a great deal of anti-Van-Horn letters.)  Nothing new under
the sun.

	But when Don's style has matured so greatly from its original
feel (I'd say that perhaps the Crumb-like feeling is strongest in
"Nobody's Business"), it doesn't surprise me that these letters are
fewer now.  Undoubtedly this very one-sided article is a last stand
from those who *don't* like Rosa.  I'm not one of this party.

	I don't think that the authors of that article would have
liked the version of Scrooge's biography that Disney might have done
had Don not taken up the project.  If they don't like the LO$, they
don't know how much worse it could be.

	For those of us who enjoy the LO$, things are subtly
different, no?


	* * * * *


	On a slightly divergent Kenoan track:

	The closest approximation of Rosa's style I've seen anywhere
else is Will Elder's MICKEY RODENT in MAD, ca. 1953.  Elder tries very
hard to draw Donald (or "Darnold" as he's called here) in a very
Barksish style, but cannot prevent his own more realistic feeling from
coming in, and eventually acknowledges that, when the characters in
the story notice his signature appearing on the panels and speculate
on it!  The lettering in the story looks remarkably like that which
John Clark would use for "The Son of the Sun" 35 years later.
Cooincidence?  Don, you've noted the similarity to Elder in your
style.

	For those of you who haven't seen the MAD story... it's about
Mickey (who's drawn in an approximation of Bill Wright's style)
realizing that Donald's popularity is now greater than his and
deciding to put a stop to it!

	What I'm wondering is...is *this story* perhaps your prime
influence in depicting the Duck universe, Don?

	BTW:  Things came full circle when CRACKED magazine parodied
"DuckTales" in 1988.  Their story -- "Yuck Tales" -- had panels based
on those in "Cash Flow" and "The Son of the Sun" with a clear attempt
at imitating John Clark's lettering.  How'd'ye like that?

	Your concerned friend,

	David.


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Mon Nov 15 03:32:20 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 21:32:20 -0500
Subject: DUCK DAZE -- VERY IMPORTANT!!!!
Message-ID: <9311150232.AA20707@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	This is a matter that concerns me greatly, folks.

	In 1995 Disney TV is to have a half-hour series about Donald,
the Nephews, and other ducks including (I believe someone on the
network said this) Uncle Scrooge and Ludwig Von Drake.  As I have
discovered from monitoring the ranger-list (something that doesn't
interest me much of the time, but that I feel I should keep informed
with), the show's management appreciates Barks, but has no
understanding of the comic book Ducks as the REAL Ducks.  This is
due to this country's underexposure to any consistent non-animated
version of the Duck characters.  Tad Stones, one
of the folks in charge of the series, had this to say recently:

	"David A. Gerstein had questions on DUCK DAZE.  I'm fascinated
that there is a very large contingent of fans who think that the only 
way to treat the ducks is to rigidly follow the lore laid down by Carl
Barks.  Now I'm the first to say that I would've liked DuckTales more 
if it stayed closer to Barks...but Donald and the nephews existed long
before the comics.  DUCK DAZE will be a new show, not a remake of 
DuckTales or an adaptation of the universe of Carl Barks.  This isn't 
a "terrible failing" on the part of Disney, just recasting.  For that 
matter, it's literally impossible for Donald to say the dialogue in a 
typical Barks adventure."

	To which I responded (please, read the whole thing):

        I respect your opinion -- that DD and the kids were around
long before the comics -- but if you're going to use Uncle Scrooge,
the very *real* creation of *Carl Barks* in the series, you need to
have some respect for Barks.  For every fan outside of the United
States -- where Disney promotes its characters as animated characters
for people under ten -- the characters are largely promoted as Barks'
comic book characters, which were based on the Ducks as they appeared
in cartoons from the late 1930s through the early 1940s.  When Barks
left the Studio the consistency of the cartoons disappeared, and DD
became a character who in many cartoons merely played a role.  In one
later cartoon ("Donald's Diary", 1954) the nephews actually played the
roles of Daisy's little brothers!

        The later animated world of the Ducks made no sense, but
that's no reason to discard the earlier one or particularly the comic
books.  In the comic books, the characters have more personality than
anywhere else -- but because Disney in the US -- unlike in Europe --
does not appreciate this, the comic fans have to sit through shows
that misinterpret the REAL versions of the characters.

        I don't mean that the show must REPLICATE the comics.  Of course
Donald doesn't have to do as much talking in DUCK DAZE as he does in
the comics (tho' *I* have always understood his speech perfectly).
But that doesn't mean that the comics must be ignored.  If people at
Disney were conscious of the fact that their characters actually
appear in comic books -- which are not popular in this country simply
because of the violence infatuation that is U. S. comic culture,
whereas one of Don Rosa's Scrooge stories was voted the best comic
strip in the world in Norway in 1992 -- they would look at DUCK DAZE
as contrary to not just one interpretation of the characters that
doesn't matter more or less, but to the characters themselves.

        Donald's nephews *began* as comic characters.  They were
developed by Al Taliaferro in early 1937 for use in the Donald Duck
Sunday strip, which was then a subsidiary of the "Silly Symphonies"
syndicated feature.  Shortly after this, Carl Barks and others in the 
studio story crew adapted them to animation.  The only real change 
made in them at this point was that they became a little shorter and 
their eyes -- formerly just like Donald's -- became smaller.  For the 
origin of the Nephews in more detail, see the article about Al 
Taliaferro's life published a few years ago in WALT DISNEY'S COMICS 
AND STORIES 523.  Please, Mr. Stones, before you decide on a
"recasting," look at why the Nephews were originally developed.

	* * * * *

	PLEASE HELP ME, FOLKS.  BRIEFLY JOIN THE RANGER LIST
(ranger-list.request at taronga.com) AND WRITE LETTERS EN MASSE TO MR.
STONES.  NOT OPENLY HOSTILE LETTERS (THE RANGER LIST IS MODERATED),
BUT CONSTRUCTIVE, HELPFUL LETTERS THAT CAN TURN DUCK DAZE AROUND
BEFORE IT BURIES BARKS' DUCKS FOREVER IN THE PAST.

	(Please note:  I would offer Tad Stones' E-Mail address if I
had it, but it is deleted from all of his letters that appear in the
ranger list, obviously on purpose, by Stephanie Da Silva, the
administrator.  We will not be able to get it from her.)

	IF THIS SHOW IS PRODUCED AND GIVEN USUAL DISNEY-STYLE
PUBLICITY, THE CLASSIC COMIC-BOOK DUCKS -- WITH THEIR LITTLE EXPOSURE
IN THIS COUNTRY -- WILL BE REGARDED AS INCORRECT VERSIONS OF THE
CHARACTERS.  I KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKED ON AS UNIMPORTANT -- FEW
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY KNOW OF THE COMICS -- BUT AT LEAST THE COMIC
VERSIONS ARE ACCEPTED AS THE REAL ONES.  HELP.  PLEASE.

	David Gerstein



From tpjg9663 at uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 15 07:12:08 1993
From: tpjg9663 at uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 00:12:08 -0600
Subject: please add
Message-ID: <199311150612.AA25275@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>

I would like to be added to the Disney mailing list, taught the
secret handshake, forced to swallow goldfish, and otherwise be
initiated into things.  Thanks.

Tom Johnston


From hmitchel at vlasov.gsfc.nasa.gov  Mon Nov 15 14:24:26 1993
From: hmitchel at vlasov.gsfc.nasa.gov (Horace G. Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 08:24:26 -0500
Subject: Disney mailing list
Message-ID: <9311151324.AA11488@vlasov.gsfc.nasa.gov>

Hi,
	Please add me to your mailing list.

Thanks,
Horace Mitchell

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From tlsearl0 at corp890.wcc.com  Tue Nov 16 00:22:10 1993
From: tlsearl0 at corp890.wcc.com (Travis L Searls)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 16:22:10 MST
Subject: Disney mailings
Message-ID: <9311152322.AA10114@wcc.com>

Could you add me to the mailing list for Disney.

Thanks!
--
Travis Searls
searls at csn.org


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Tue Nov 16 04:47:44 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 15 Nov 93 22:47:44 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #158.
Message-ID: <931116034743_72260.2635_EHK46-1@CompuServe.COM>

David:
	Yes... you are correct when you guess WHO I think is behind the
instigation of the German article. Same force as was behind Lustig's
letter in CBG. That force is also objecting to Egmont for how much
publicity I get in Europe.
	Oh, I don't mind for an instant when a reviewer objects to my
art style or to the whole idea of this Lo$ or my sequels in general!
That's a legitimate expression of opinion, and an opinion I agree with
more than not! I HATE my artstyle! However, what I DO object to is the
malicious twisting of facts and outright lies which this article deals
in for no conceivable reason. Why would anyone do this? I can only guess
based on other things I see going on that I'm not completely at liberty
to discuss.

	As for DUCK DAZE, Jymn Magon called me about helping with that
show over a year ago, but I politely told him that TV just wasn't my
cuppa tea. But I think you're going overboard in your reaction. I
thought DUCKTALES was also a very corrupted version of the "true"
$crooge McDuck, but I never cared. It's not really $crooge McDuck...
it's just Disney's adaptation of a property that they own but never
contributed toward the creation or development of. I thought it was
better than most TV cartoons even though it had little to do with
$crooge McDuck, but I knew that it would soon fade away, which it now
has done. Same goes for DUCK DAZE. No matter what it's like, it will
soon fade away and leave no impression on the comic books.
	What I DID jump all over Tad Stones about when I learned of it
was DARKWING DUCK! When I first learned of that show about a year before
it was released, I assumed it was Disney turning Donald into typical
American super-hero parody crap; this would have been more than a
misinterpretation which would soon fade from view -- I saw it as a
supreme insult to a character that was light years above what it was
being reduced to. Of course, as it turned out, DARKWING DUCK was not
Donald, and it was more influenced by the Shadow than the X-Men. And it,
too, shall pass into oblivion is another year or two, while Barks'
Donald & $crooge will endure in perpetuity.




From lrn at daimi.aau.dk  Tue Nov 16 10:00:50 1993
From: lrn at daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Reichstein Nielsen)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 10:00:50 MET
Subject: From RoC
Message-ID: <199311160901.AA17760@elvira.daimi.aau.dk>


Lucky me! I answered an ad on 79 jumbo books; 20,000 pages of Italian
stories. The 'victim' wanted 200 Danish kr. (30 $) but I drive a hard
bargain and gave him 300! If $crooge gets an alergy again, call me :)


SORRY, DON (Huey, Dewey and June)

An apology is in place: I scorned (scorched?) Don for drawing April,
May and June with pointed beaks, like chickens, or kind of like Freddy
Milton's woodpecker kids. My excuse is that I don't have the actual
poster, just pictures of *two* nieces. And I simply didn't recognize
them or their Norwegian names at first; I first assumed they were some
obscure pair of twins, unknown to me, or maybe invented for Lo$. Later I
caught on, but I still couldn't figure out why they looked so *weird*.

That they should be so rare in Barks' production surprises me. I also
thought of the 'Flipism' story, but assumed that they had popped up
now and then. But the DDDiary story 'A Sticky Situation' is maybe
the only time they appear for more than a panel or two. In another DDD
story by Barks (The Double Date, last panel) they look 'normal' to me.
In my Duckburg dimension, they are identical to HD&L except for the
eyelashes. They live with Daisy, but are out a lot of the time.
Maybe they are baby-sitting or do you have any lewd suggestions, Geir?

Hmm, I just leafed through 1500+ pages of the 1990 Danish edition, and
I couldn't spot a single appearance of those elusive nieces!?
*Then* I got the bright idea of checking my own index and found 1 (one)
reference to them as title characters. A quick look confirmed their
similarity to HDL. This was a D coded story.


SORRY, VICAR (Something rotten in Denmark)

I also made some derogatory remarks about Vicar and other 'Danish'
artists. Thank you, David, for hearing what I meant, not what I said.
The criticism should have been leveled at Paul Halas and the handful
of hacks who turn out those tedious plots, hallmark and mainstay of
Scandinavian issues. The art isn't really that bad.

I have also come to the point, where I had to change an ingrown opinion
that I didn't like Italian stories. The plots are usually interesting,
drawing from litterature and history to a degree unknown elsewhere.
I have come across adaptions of Mark Twain, Franz Kafka, Victor Hugo and
numerous Italian authors. Not to mention a lot of action in medieval
Italy, and a story where Mickey and Goofy meets their 30es counterparts.
BTW, Cavazzano always draws ducks standing on their toes? He *is* good.


SORRY, HARRY (Guardians of the List Library)

Oops, I could have *sworn* that I sent you that Guardians code. Anyway,
when you put this, the Lillehammer, and the Dime stories into the index,
higher numbers will change if you keep the consecutive numbering of
D codes. OK, the numbers are not *supposed* to be numberING, but...
I would have suggested a single character in the margin to separate
entries, though your method is better with regard to different versions
of a story/cover. And if we start incorporating data on publication in
more countries like Germany, the one-line-per-entry concept will have to
go anyway, even if it breaks my heart.
I'm sorry that I opposed your reforms so rudely, I can see that you have
made many necessary adjustments and additions. Here is another one:
Lo$9, D 93121, 15 pages KA93-45 (all Scandinavian issues)
Oh yes, I'm also sorry that I mailed some updates to you while you were
away. Your reply only reached me as a summary from my brother. You are
not seriously suggesting to decrypt my notes in Danish and type them?!


NEWS IN BRIEF (Film at 11)

Just got my first Finnish issue! Looks like Scandinavian can be replaced
with Nordic in our indexes, as it's contents are similar to the other
three versions I recieve. Only it's 32 pages pulp type paper, cover too.
That gives me a fair chance to figure the language out, in case anything
special should come up. Right now even the saddest scripts make me laugh
when they're in Finnish ;)


DAVID WROTE (A duck a day keeps the blues away)

>        A few other things in Geir's letter, which I didn't get to
>comment on before.
>
>        First... The Taliaferro softback book series was thrown off
>the press here because Disney refused to let some strips involving
>Indians be reprinted... sound familiar?  They still stand firm... see
>my letter in DD 282.  The cover that had been drawn for the aborted
>1938 collection was just used on DD 281.
>
>        I would be interested in forking over that ten bucks for a
>copy of the 1938 volume you mention... can you give an address?

You are confusing Geir's and my letter: I only have the three volumes
published so far here, but they are indeed complete, indians and all.
I think they are all still available and will gladly send them to you.
Of course they are in Danish, but most of them could be in Chinese and
still make you laugh! Danish isn't that different from Dutch either.


NEW RELEASES (Wish you were here)

Issue #20 of Carl Barks & Co.

A poster magazine with two Barks oils: a family portrait and a treasure
island with a pirate ship in the background.

Donald Duck Daily Strips 1941

Gold Book #10 w. uncensored Africa story from 1966. (So Far No Safari
*was* uncut when published in Scandinavia, wasn't it?)


EGMONT RULES (A dork's eye-view of Europe)

I happened to catch an interview on TV with the chief of Danish Egmont
(didn't catch his name though.) The case in question was the declared
anti-racist stance of the German Micky Maus. Apparently editorials has
spoken against discrimination of refugees and other foreigners.
When asked why Mickey has gone political, mr. Egmont explained that
surveys show that this topic interests the readers (children.)

(Surveys must have pointed to Beverly Hills 90210 and Jurassic Park as
especially hot in Denmark... wanna buy some posters in mint condition?)

The interviewer asked: "[...] Who decides what goes in the various
Donald Duck magazines around the world... you?"
Mr. Egmont:"[short pause] In the end, yes. But to a large extent the
local/national editors [...]"

The actual phrasing eludes me, but I distinctly remember *never* hearing
the word 'Disney' in a context that could refer to a company, if at all.

Americans can hardly appreciate the huge popularity of Disney in Europe.
A small country like Denmark with 5 million people publishes about 700
pages of ducks'n'mice *a month*. The weekly Anders And & Co. sells maybe
a quarter of a million copies, as much as the biggest newspapers.
It's mainstream culture, and just about every kid reads a Donald story
now and then. Not to mention adults.

In the US, kids read about turbo-z-mutants and the typical Disney comics
buyer is old enough to have a university degree, and often has.
Those, who actually read their magazines, are hard-core fundamentalists
and want 'the right stuff' reprinted over and over again.
Those, who don't, want "50 of those #1's with gold staples and author's
thumbprint on a numbered certificate... oh, and give me a lead box too."
(The above characterizations are fictive and any similarity to actual
persons, living, dead, or on this list is entirely coincidental.)

The way the American market is based on the investor value of 'items',
you can probably thank Don Rosa alone that Disney has survived as comics
at all. But as his first printings no longer appear in the US, commercial
interest may wane, making Disney publishing economically unsound (again.)

With this in mind, it can hardly surprise that Egmont chooses to expand
in Eastern Europe, Russia and China instead of Farbackistan, America.
I know they were mentioned as possible successors of Disney Comics,
does anybody know why they let Gladstone have it?
I mean, if they really *had* wanted it...


Argento.


Ole Reichstein *  "I should go jump in a lake and sink."



From varmas at cs.man.ac.uk  Tue Nov 16 13:35:51 1993
From: varmas at cs.man.ac.uk (The GRIPPER)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:35:51 GMT
Subject: on a unix based system
Message-ID: <9311161235.AA00748@n2o.cs.man.ac.uk>

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From James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov  Tue Nov 16 15:30:17 1993
From: James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov (James Williams)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 09:30:17 EST
Subject: Duck Daze 
Message-ID: <2ce8e3f9@ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov>

David,

I use to be a member of Ranger-List.  I left because of the moderator
and cannot find it in myself to recommend that list to anyone.  Tad
Stones rarely ever posted to Ranger-List, and I got the distinct
impression that he wasn't a regular reader.

I honestly don't understand your furor over Duck Daze.  I first heard
about the show almost a year ago and have been looking forward to it
ever since.  I don't expected it to be like Carl Barks' or Don Rosa's
Ducks because Disney Comics and Disney Animation have always been
radically different.

I'll give you an example.  I love Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse. 
But, I also like the cartoon Goof Troop.  To me FG's and GT's Goofy are
different versions of the same character.  In fact, I find that Goof
Troop has actually increased my enjoyment of Floyd Gottfredson because
it has made me re-read a bunch of his work this time focusing my
attention on Goofy.

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From krieg at ct.med.ge.com  Tue Nov 16 15:46:48 1993
From: krieg at ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:46:48 CST
Subject: DUCK DAZE -- VERY IMPORTANT!!!!
Message-ID: <9311161446.AA21349@ct.med.ge.com>

David,

I think you are blowing this way out of proportion.  The comics Duck world
and the TV/movie Duck world have always been, and will always be, two
separate animals.  I didn't let my love of Barks and Co. diminsh my enjoy-
ment of the first season of "DuckTales".  There were some damn fine episodes
in there, I don't care what anybody else says.

>>When Barks
>>left the Studio the consistency of the cartoons disappeared, and DD
>>became a character who in many cartoons merely played a role.  In one
>>later cartoon ("Donald's Diary", 1954) the nephews actually played the
>>roles of Daisy's little brothers!

There has never been any consistency in any of the Disney shorts, ever.  All
of the animated characters were playing roles; these were not glimpses into
their private lives.  Even in the earliest Donald shorts, he went from
playing an adult with a job ("Donald's Ostrich") to a child who had to go to
school ("Donald's Better Self").  The "Wonderful World of Disney" TV show 
emphasized that the 'toons were just playing roles by showing them 'behind
the scenes', etc.  One entire episode is about Walt trying to get Donald into
the studio to film a new cartoon.

I don't know the solution to getting Disney comics more exposure to the mass
public, but this isn't the way to do it.  Let the "Disney Afternoon" and
Disney Comics go their separate ways.

Andy


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Tue Nov 16 16:18:56 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:18:56 +0100
Subject: Don's details...
Message-ID: <01H5E297QQ78BTSGNO@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Howdy, y'all!!!

I spent this weekend doing many things (I try to use my preciuos freedom
well!); and one thing among others, I re-read Lo$, parts 1-9 a couple of times
straight through, and then some selective browsing of favourite parts. This
time, I got my major kick (as it seems I always do) by the marvelous portrait
of $crooge that is step by step built up throughout the series - a portrait
that I'm very impressed with for many reasons, but mainly because:

a) it makes $crooge a thoroughly likeable, and thorougbly REALISTIC human
being - the developing of his personality, his emotions, his ambitions and his
drive are pictured subtly, convincingly and with great emphaty, I find

b) all of this is so well tied in to Barks and history alike, that someday when
I got the time, I'm gonna go through this thing panel by panel, and compare,
and in particular look up everything I can possibly think of in my
Encyclopedia Brittanica (1964 edition); this weekend, f'rinstance, I was
reading the article on "Dance, modern social", when quite by accident I came
across one on "Daly, Marcus" and the Anaconda Copper Mines...

Oh, Don - you thorough ol' so-and-so...

And, yeah - speaking of thorough... Don: I'm curious if this was intentional on
your part, or if I'm just constructing things out of thin air, but in the South
African episode, in the molasses-and-feathers sequence, it seems to me that
$crooge fires his two revolvers a total of 12 times (once to break the molasses
jar; thrice in the next panel to rip up the feather-bed (I counted the
muzzle-flames); and eight times into the ground (counting the bullet-holes in
the ground); and then in the next panel where Flintheart is running away, and
$crooge is reloading his gun, there is 12 spent cartridges on the ground... Is
all this intentional? I mean, it makes sense, since the usual revolver chambers
six rounds, and 2x6=12... If so, then that is what I call attention to detail!

By the way, and speaking of the South African episode - Don, I laff mahself lak
t' split at your beautiful backgruond running gags, like f'rinstance the
rhino-in-the-tree... And, all through the series, all your animal-gags... Oh
boy! The wolf by Agony Creek, f'rinstance - his expression after $crooge
inspects his teeth, looking for traces of gold is just plain unbeatable!

Otherwise, I think that without thinking too much, the parts I like the best
are the Australian, and the whole Yukon triptych - in particular the last of
those three, i.e. part eight; perhaps because the critical parts of these
evolve so much around $crooge's basic character, around his humanity. There are
parts here that touch me rather deeply; and the final stage of part eight,
where $crooge finds the goose-egg nugget, and his hesitation and introspective
thoughts are some of the finest, most evocative scenes I've seen in a comic...
and beautifully drawn, too - in particular the very last page - a beautiful
composition, and sensitive drawings...

Well...

All my best - and my regards to your wife!

Mattias


From jw at beatles.b11.ingr.com  Wed Nov 17 00:32:26 1993
From: jw at beatles.b11.ingr.com (Jeff A. Williams)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 17:32:26 CST
Subject: subscribe
Message-ID: <199311162332.AA08141@beatles.b11.ingr.com>

Please add me to the Disney comics discussion subscription list.

Thanks!

Jeff A. Williams
jw at elvis.b11.ingr.com


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Wed Nov 17 05:12:18 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 16 Nov 93 23:12:18 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #159.
Message-ID: <931117041218_72260.2635_EHK44-2@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS ON #159:

Mattias:
	Reread the Lo$ 3 more times??? Gosh, I hope you spend your spare
time doing better things than that!
	But, yes, it might take you many rereadings to notice all the
details, and some you may not ever suspect are authentic unless you
stumble on the facts by accident as you did the history of Marcus Daly.
It don't stop there -- someone actually DID try to gain ownership of the
Anaconda by buying adjacent land and suing for ownership through the
1849 Law of Apex, just like $crooge does in my story. And I was well
aware of how many shots $crooge shot out of his two six-shooters...
however I'm not sure if he didn't shoot 8 outta one and 4 outta t'other.
I can't brag much about my art and I'm no great wordsmith... that's why
I "try harder" and try to make up for it with my attention to detail.
You probably still haven't caught ALL the minute details -- it'll take
another buncha rereading or me sitting there pointing it all out to you.
But DON'T reread them again! Do something else! Your kind words are
appreciated, but the story isn't all THAT good... or maybe it is? I work
on each chapter so long and with such intensity that I get pretty fed up
with the whole thing pretty quick.
	But if you DO think my stuff is so good, didn't you have any
reaction to that strange German article?



From Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se  Wed Nov 17 07:28:05 1993
From: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 07:28:05 +0100
Subject: April, May & June in Barks stories (was: From RoC)
Message-ID: <9311170628.AA18414@euax1i4c12.eua.ericsson.se>

Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <lrn at daimi.aau.dk>:

> That they should be so rare in Barks' production surprises me. I also
> thought of the 'Flipism' story, but assumed that they had popped up
> now and then. But the DDDiary story 'A Sticky Situation' is maybe
> the only time they appear for more than a panel or two.

They also appear in one of CB's last 10-pagers, in WDC 308 (May 1966).
That's the one where Donald opens up a beauty parlor, AM&J drag Daisy
into the parlor (Yes, drags. Daisy is very reluctant, cause she is kinda
jealous. See, Donald's parlor is a smash hit, and he is now who is
surrounded by beautiful *and* thankful girls all day long) and then
decide to help Donald in his work... Chaos follows, of course. I like
this one a lot.

"Fru Amalia von Strupenknorr-Torrskinn - alla kosmetologers fasa!"

(Donald upon meeting his first customer, the ugliest old hag in Duckburgh)

Anders Engwall				Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB			Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden				Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
	"Jas} *universum* - jag trodde vi snackade om Konsum..."


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Wed Nov 17 09:54:50 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09:54:50 +0100
Subject: Details on details...
Message-ID: <01H5F2IEW1ROBTSHFU@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Don!

    Of course I reacted to that German tripe! It made me sick to my stomach, if
not necessarily literally, at least figuratively speaking!!! The reason I
didn't say much about it is, I guess, basically because I figured everyone  on
this list would and does react pretty much as I did - we all know it is a
trashy piece of hogwash; albeit unfortunately rather cleverly disguised by
enough facts (like, they spell your name right, and you ARE working on a story
about $crooge's life etc.) to make it seem informed to the UNinformed average
German reader of the feature. Which of course makes it's (probably) malicious
intent all the more malicious... Yuk! Sick to my stomach... believe me!

But I didn't and don't see much point in ARGUING against it on THIS LIST,
really, because I just can't concieve any of us BELIEVING such crappy nonsense!

What I do, however, intend to do, and actually have been planning to do for
quite some time now, is to write a feature of my own about Lo$, to appear in
NAFS(k)uriren, and if it turns out well enough, possibly to translate it and
offer it to, well, Der Donaldist, Duckburg Times and/or The Barks Collector.

This, of course, won't go a very long way towards rectifying the maliciously
slanted slander against you in that article, since I will still be talking only
to those already in the know, but... what can one do, really?

And huccome they're DOING this to you in the first place?

Your concerned friend

Mattias


From bryan at igpp.ucla.edu  Wed Nov 17 03:31:39 1993
From: bryan at igpp.ucla.edu (Bryan Littlefield)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 18:31:39 PST
Subject: Disney comics mail
Message-ID: <9311170231.AA04707@igpp.ucla.edu>


Can you please start sending me the daily Digest.

Thanks --Bryan


From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu  Wed Nov 17 02:04:34 1993
From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 20:04:34 EST
Subject: Disney-Comics Digest # 158
Message-ID: <9311170104.AA13496@unix.campbellsvil.edu>

Hello everyone, LONG TIME NO ANYTHING!!...

       Sorry, I haven't kept up with my posts, but it's been a *VERY* difficult
semester this time!  This maybe my last one for awhile so, I'll get on with
it!..  (To address some of the post in: Disney-comics digest #158.)

First off to (*IF* you can see this!):
Tom Johnston <tpjg9663 at uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> 
Horace G. Mitchell <hmitchel at vlasov.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Travis L Searls <tlsearl0 at corp890.wcc.com>

       Welcome aboard!.. because Per is usually very busy maybe Harry, Torsten
or somebody else can handle your initiation!   >;-D

Now on to this one:
> Subject: Rosa rebuked in Germany... by whom?

According to David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>:

>      The German article making gross generalizations and
> out-and-out misrepresentations of Don Rosa's work came as a real
> shock.  What's more, Don mentioned that he thought he knew who was
> behind it.  The now-infamous Grandeys?  *Who*?
       As many of you know I have been a Rosa fan even before he was doing
Disney Comics'.  And I get pretty fed up with all these so called "know-it-
alls" who continually *TRASH* him!

>      To be 100% fair, I noticed a bit of resemblance to R. Crumb's
> stuff in the very earliest Rosa stories, [...]
       Hmmmmm?.. I've never made that connection!  Interesting, however I not
too sure about Don work having any resemblance to that of R. Crumb's!.. want
do you think, Don??

>      The complaints about Rosa in this article are virtually
> identical to the few anti-Rosa letters I saw in the old Gladstone
> comics.  (I saw no anti-Rosa letters in Disney's comics, although
> there were a great deal of anti-Van-Horn letters.)  Nothing new under
> the sun.
       YES, unfortunately this is the case most of the time!  I don't see why
people can't just let Don do what he loves doing with out always telling him
that: "You Sir, are NO Barks!"  Who cares, who is anyway?!?  They don't
ridicule Van Horn or any of the rest, so why do they consistently devour Don
alive??? 

>      But when Don's style has matured so greatly from its original
> feel (I'd say that perhaps the Crumb-like feeling is strongest in
> "Nobody's Business"), it doesn't surprise me that these letters are
> fewer now.  Undoubtedly this very one-sided article is a last stand
> from those who *don't* like Rosa.  I'm not one of this party.
> [SNIP!]
>      I don't think that the authors of that article would have
> liked the version of Scrooge's biography that Disney might have done
> had Don not taken up the project.  If they don't like the LO$, they
> don't know how much worse it could be.
       Don's style can't help but to mature over time, as a fellow artist I
know from experience that if you work on anything long enough you naturally
get better at it and continually improve!

       Anyways, If somebody knows ANYTHING, *please* post it to the
list/digest!

Your concerned fan and friend,

-Gil

Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>

"Hello.  My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father; prepare to die!" 

P.S.  I sent this early today (around 1:30 pm EDT) but It looks like it
bounced... so here we go again!



From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 17 10:43:10 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:43:10 +0100
Subject: From RoC
Message-ID: <199311170943.AA15782@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Ole wrote:

> SORRY, HARRY (Guardians of the List Library)

I like that name: Per, Fredrik and I are the Guardians of the List Library.
Fredrik guards the files 'interlingual' and 'van-horn', I do the 
'creators' file and the Gladstone-Disney indexes, and Per the rest...

I've been playing with ideas for new formats of the indexes for a while,
but I can't find the time to work it out and discuss it here...

> Oh yes, I'm also sorry that I mailed some updates to you while you were
> away.

That was no problem at all: the files just waited until I was back. The 
problem is, that I can't READ the files because my computer can't decypher
the format (apparently uuencoded+zipped, but when running 'uudecode', is
says 'short file').

> You are
> not seriously suggesting to decrypt my notes in Danish and type them?!

I once stated, and I'll state it again:

	I will type in (and make available) any Disney comics index I can
	get, if:
	- the language is readable
	- the overlap with existing indexes is not too much.
	- the copyright of that index is not too much violated

> Danish isn't that different from Dutch either.

But they are not quite the same. I would have some problems reading a
Danish index, but that wouldn't stop me from typing in something like
Det Store Index...

> NEW RELEASES (Wish you were here)
> 
> Donald Duck Daily Strips 1941

The years 1938-1940 were also reprinted in Holland. Some of them even in
colour.

> Argento.

Stavenuiter.

--Harry.


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 17 09:24:38 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09:24:38 +0100
Subject: April, May & June in Barks stories
Message-ID: <199311170824.AA11512@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Ole Reichstein Nielsen wrote:
^^^ 
> But the DDDiary story 'A Sticky Situation' is maybe
> the only time they appear for more than a panel or two.

And then Anders Engwall wrote: 
> They also appear in one of CB's last 10-pagers, in WDC 308 (May 1966).

...and they have pointed beaks there. Maybe this is the Barks story with the
longest "nieces appearance"?

--Harry.


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Wed Nov 17 16:28:29 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 16:28:29 +0100
Subject: Aloha!
Message-ID: <01H5FFY30AISBTSIFQ@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Howdy, y'all, in that great donaldistic multitude that constitutes this list!

I'm a bit curious: Per, or someone, just how many of us are there now - and
who are we, actually? Would it be possible to put together some sort of
presentation digest, or something, with short introduc(k)tions from each and
all of us? Where we live, what we do - anything we'd like to mention...

Jes' an idear, don't y'know, but h'bout it?

Mattias

(Who already posted an introduc(k)tion of hisself on the list, some time ago)


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 17 17:52:00 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 17:52:00 +0100
Subject: Aloha!
Message-ID: <199311171652.AA06053@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Reply to Mattias:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> Jes' an idear, don't y'know, but h'bout it?

Maybe you can explain why you spell your English like this? Is this really
how they speak English in Sweden? 8-)

For me, who has English only as a second language, the spelling of your mails
make them a bit more difficult to read.

Mayby I shoot rite my Anglish wuhds jusst like dey are pronounst in Holland?

8-)

Reply to Gil:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       Welcome aboard!.. because Per is usually very busy maybe Harry, Torsten
> or somebody else can handle your initiation!   >;-D

Technically, we can't do anything to add people to the mailing list. That's
on Per's machine and Per is the only one authorized on that machine.

But we can make up some initiation rites, if you want. Like: newcomers should 
answer the next question correctly: "do you think Chip 'n' Dale are cute?"
8-)

--Harry.




From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 17 18:19:03 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 18:19:03 +0100
Subject: Ole Reichstein N.'s index additions
Message-ID: <199311171719.AA06805@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Ole> Oh yes, I'm also sorry that I mailed some updates to you while you were
Ole> away.
 
Me> That was no problem at all: the files just waited until I was back. The 
Me> problem is, that I can't READ the files because my computer can't decypher
Me> the format (apparently uuencoded+zipped, but when running 'uudecode', is
Me> says 'short file').
 
Correction: I did manage to uudecode the message now, with help of one of
our unix gurus here. I'll look at your indexes, embed them in the existing
gladstone-disney indexes, add some information of my own (from the comics
I bought in Texas), and (within a few days) send new versions to Per to put
on ftp.

FYI: Ole indexed the following issues:

US 246, 250, 253
MMA 14
WDC 551 through 559 (!)
DTD 1 through 18 (!)

and his Danish index has grown, too.

--Harry.


From toriver at pvv.unit.no  Wed Nov 17 18:57:20 1993
From: toriver at pvv.unit.no (Tor Iver Wilhelmsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 18:57:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Aloha!
In-Reply-To: <199311171652.AA06053@athena.research.ptt.nl> from "Harry Fluks" at Nov 17, 93 05:52:00 pm
Message-ID: <199311171757.SAA09354@flipper.pvv.unit.no>

> 
> But we can make up some initiation rites, if you want. Like: newcomers should 
> answer the next question correctly: "do you think Chip 'n' Dale are cute?"
> 8-)
> 

Do you mean the "classic" Chip'n'Dale, or the Rescue Rangers variant? :-)
(I prefer them to be mischievous, so the answer to your question is
maybe... :-) )


> --Harry.
> 
> 
> 

By the way, to Don: Add another SERIOUSLY satisfied Norwegian to the list
of people who enjoyed the take on death in Lo$ #9.

- Tor Iver


From clawton at TFS.COM  Wed Nov 17 19:53:00 1993
From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:53 PST
Subject: Aloha!
Message-ID: <m0ozs0R-0003w2C@TFS.COM>


"Hiya" to everybody new to the list! (and all the old-timers, too!)

A quick question:

    What kind of personal indexing system does everybody use? I think for now,
    that I'm just going to use Excel to catalog issues that I have.  But 
    what kind of information do you like to have?

And a couple of comments:

    I'm also a sometimes reader/poster to rec.arts.disney.  I find that I have
    mixed feelings about the comments by Don Rosa.  I find that I skip over
    ~95% of the articles.  I agree with Don that most of the bandwidth there
    is wasted (i.e. "Oh - Ariel is sooo cute!" for hundreds of messages gets
    very boring!) and the posters to the group could tone it down just a bit.

    However, I do like to know about some of the behind the scenes stuff that
    the Cast Members post about.  So you just have to learn to tolerate the
    overhead stuff to get to the stuff you really want to see.  So the point 
    is is that the group is not a total waste of time.

    Though I do think Chip 'n Dale are cute, and so is Mickey, you don't have
    to let it get out-of-hand.

    I also think that everything Disney should not be lumped into one group.
    Disney Animation is NOT Disney Comics!  Just as Superman Comics are not
    the same as the Superman TV/Movies.  I, personally, have enjoyed TailSpin,
    (and the TailSpin Movie) and especially like Darkwing Duck.  But these
    are NOT animated comics!
   

    

    But on to some comic related stuff:  Did anyone ever let Gladstone know
    about this list?  In a recent printed letter in DDA #23, someone asked
    how they can get in touch with other Disney Comics readers - and no
    mention of us!

    Lastly, is there new Mickey stuff being produced?  I haven't looked at the
    credits recently and since I still pretty green to comics I just don't
    know.
    
    

Chris		Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :)


P.S.   Don - If you feel a little unappriecated by the folks at Disney, please
       try to not let it get you down.  There's still lots of people who do
       like the work you do here in the U.S.


From clawton at TFS.COM  Wed Nov 17 19:54:00 1993
From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 10:54 PST
Subject: Aloha!
Message-ID: <m0ozs1n-0003w6C@TFS.COM>

>Howdy, y'all, in that great donaldistic multitude that constitutes this list!

>I'm a bit curious: Per, or someone, just how many of us are there now - and
>who are we, actually? Would it be possible to put together some sort of
>presentation digest, or something, with short introduc(k)tions from each and
>all of us? Where we live, what we do - anything we'd like to mention...

>Jes' an idear, don't y'know, but h'bout it?

>Mattias

>(Who already posted an introduc(k)tion of hisself on the list, some time ago)

I like this idea!

Chris 	Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :)


From tanida at gso.SAIC.COM  Wed Nov 17 20:38:51 1993
From: tanida at gso.SAIC.COM (Tom Tanida)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:38:51 PST
Subject: Aloha!
Message-ID: <9311171938.AA17225@forseti>


Chris Lawton said:
>    I'm also a sometimes reader/poster to rec.arts.disney.  I find that I have
>    mixed feelings about the comments by Don Rosa.  I find that I skip over
>    ~95% of the articles.  I agree with Don that most of the bandwidth there
>    is wasted (i.e. "Oh - Ariel is sooo cute!" for hundreds of messages gets

I can agree with this, and I do the FAQ for that group.  Still, there is
some valuable information there, if you can find it. :-)  I worry for
the future of the Internet (there's a million new members a month)-
these days, the same subjects come up often (I could make the FAQ
longer, as if 150K isn't big enough ;-)), 90% of some messages are included
from previous messages, etc. etc.  But there are some Disney insiders
there (and on the FLORIDA forum on Compuserve) which make it generally
worthwhile (plus I'm writing some custom software to help me weed info
out).  It's nice to have the quiet little Disney Comics mailing list
to turn to (though what's with all the "subscribe me please" messages
sent to the list recently?!? :-(  Yeah, I know.)

and:

>P.S.   Don - If you feel a little unappriecated by the folks at Disney, please
>       try to not let it get you down.  There's still lots of people who do
>       like the work you do here in the U.S.

I'll vouch for that.  I love Don's work (when I can find it! arggh!)
and I've been collecting his comics.  I grew up with Barks, and only Don
can compare (if he doesn't mind the useless comparisons- I don't think
it's really very appropriate to compare artists, movies, etc.- each should
stand alone).  It's too bad the US market is bent more on comics with
mindless violence.

A friend of mine also loves Don's work- she pores over every frame to
examine the great detail put in to each one.  In fact, she even thinks Barks'
art is not as good, and reads Don's stories almost exclusively!

-Tom



From mas at cs.bu.edu  Wed Nov 17 21:01:45 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 15:01:45 -0500
Subject: Donald Duck Adventures 24 (SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <9311172001.AA23737@csa.bu.edu>

Donald Duck Adventures #24 just came out, here's my 2 cents worth:

I liked the William Van Horn story ("The Black Moon", D92207) very
much, but there were a couple of choppy instances where it seemed like
a page had been edited out and replaced with a small narration panel.
Does anyone know whether this story was originally 21 pages long?

The second story was a Danish 5-pager ("The Talking Mailbox", D92030
by Ingelise McCandles and Charlie Martin, translated by Gary Gabner)
which struck me as being most juvenile.  I'm sure that there is *good*
stuff out there, why doesn't Gladstone print it?

The inside back cover actually had a one page gag!  (Unfortunately,
there *were* advertisements elsewhere in the issue :-) )  I was
pleased that they put a one-pager here, but it didn't strike me as
that funny or that well done.  Ah, well.  Aside from a noticeable
"Hamilton" signature displayed near the top (whose presence struck me
as somewhat odd - just what is its significance?) and the code
(D91323), I could find no creator credits for it.

===========================================================================
     "I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck.  There can be only one!"
--   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   --
mark a. semich                                               mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================


From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu  Wed Nov 17 23:13:07 1993
From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:13:07 EST
Subject: Disney-digests #158-159
Message-ID: <9311172213.AA25083@unix.campbellsvil.edu>

(* AAAAARRRGAHHHUAGAUHA!.. I just can't @?#&|%~$* believe it!!!!  I sent a
message THREE times to this BLOODY list and every time it BOUNCED!  A friend
of mine here said that one the computers along the way could have been down
and my messages were continuously sent back.  I'm going to try sending it one
more time which means I'll have do a rewrite of my old message to make it fit
better!  Here goes nothing!... *)

Hello everyone, LONG TIME NO ANYTHING!!...

       Sorry, I haven't kept up with my posts, but it's been a *VERY*
difficult semester this time!  This maybe my last one for awhile so, I'll get
on with it!..  (WRT some of the post in: Disney-comics digests #158-159.)

First off to (*IF* you can see this!):
Tom Johnston <tpjg9663 at uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> 
Horace G. Mitchell <hmitchel at vlasov.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Travis L Searls <tlsearl0 at corp890.wcc.com>
Jeff A. Williams <jw at elvis.b11.ingr.com>

       Welcome aboard!.. because Per is usually very busy maybe Harry,
Torsten or somebody else can handle your initiation!   >;-D

Now on to this one:
> Subject: Rosa rebuked in Germany... by whom?

David A. Gerstein said:
>      The German article making gross generalizations and
> out-and-out misrepresentations of Don Rosa's work came as a real
> shock.  What's more, Don mentioned that he thought he knew who was
> behind it.  The now-infamous Grandeys?  *Who*?

Don Rosa said:
> David:
>    Yes... you are correct when you guess WHO I think is behind the
> instigation of the German article. Same force as was behind Lustig's
> letter in CBG. That force is also objecting to Egmont for how much
> publicity I get in Europe.

       As many of you know I have been a Rosa fan even before he was doing
Disney Comics'.  And I get pretty fed up with all these so called "know-it-
alls" who continually *TRASH* him!

David:
>      To be 100% fair, I noticed a bit of resemblance to R. Crumb's
> stuff in the very earliest Rosa stories, [...]

       Hmmmmm?.. I've never made that connection!  Interesting, however I not
too sure about Don work having any resemblance to that of R. Crumb's!.. want
do you think, Don??

David:
>      The complaints about Rosa in this article are virtually
> identical to the few anti-Rosa letters I saw in the old Gladstone
> comics.  (I saw no anti-Rosa letters in Disney's comics, although
> there were a great deal of anti-Van-Horn letters.)  Nothing new under
> the sun.

Don:
>    Oh, I don't mind for an instant when a reviewer objects to my
> art style or to the whole idea of this Lo$ or my sequels in general!
> That's a legitimate expression of opinion, and an opinion I agree with
> more than not! I HATE my artstyle! However, what I DO object to is the
> malicious twisting of facts and outright lies which this article deals
> in for no conceivable reason. Why would anyone do this? I can only guess
> based on other things I see going on that I'm not completely at liberty
> to discuss.

       YES, unfortunately this is the case most of the time!  I don't see why
people can't just let Don do what he loves doing with out always telling him
that: "You Sir, are NO Barks!"  Who cares, who is anyway?!?  They don't
ridicule Van Horn or any of the rest, so why do they consistently devour you
(Don) alive???  Oh, and Don, I think it has little to do with your artwork!!

David:
>      But when Don's style has matured so greatly from its original
> feel (I'd say that perhaps the Crumb-like feeling is strongest in
> "Nobody's Business"), it doesn't surprise me that these letters are
> fewer now.  Undoubtedly this very one-sided article is a last stand
> from those who *don't* like Rosa.  I'm not one of this party.
> [SNIP!]
>      I don't think that the authors of that article would have
> liked the version of Scrooge's biography that Disney might have done
> had Don not taken up the project.  If they don't like the LO$, they
> don't know how much worse it could be.

       Don's style can't help but to mature over time, as a fellow artist I
know from experience that if you work on anything long enough you naturally
get better at it and continually improve!

       Anyways, If somebody knows ANY REASON WHY, *please* post it to the
list/digest!

Your concerned fan and friend,

-Gil

Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>

"Hello.  My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father; prepare to die!" 

P.S.  Can *anyone* SEE this?!?!?!?..



From d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se  Wed Nov 17 23:29:33 1993
From: d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 23:29:33 +0100
Subject: Donald Duck Adventures 24 (spoilers no more)
Message-ID: <9311172229.AA13312@iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se>


> I liked the William Van Horn story ("The Black Moon", D92207) very
> much, but there were a couple of choppy instances where it seemed like
> a page had been edited out and replaced with a small narration panel.
> Does anyone know whether this story was originally 21 pages long?

As can be seen in my Van Horn index, the Swedish publication IS indeed
21 pages, which means that at least Gladstone hasn't done anything with
it.

  /F


From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu  Wed Nov 17 23:46:05 1993
From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 17:46:05 EST
Subject: "Who's the leader of the club?.. "
Message-ID: <9311172246.AA25336@unix.campbellsvil.edu>

Dear Fellow Dinsey Fans,

     Here's something that you guys might get a kick out of, including Don of
course.  Hey Harry, maybe you can use this in your signature!!   >;-)


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------------------------------

Enjoy,

-Gil

Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>

"Hello.  My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father; prepare to die!" 



From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Thu Nov 18 09:35:23 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 09:35:23 +0100
Subject: Aloha!
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Wed, 17 Nov 1993 17:52:00 +0100" <199311171652.AA06053@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <01H5GG03TUBOBTSGU8@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Maybe you can explain why you spell your English like (you do). Is this really
how they speak English in Sweden? ...asked Harry Fluks

No - of course not; I'm interested in languages and dialects, and I'm basically
just fooling around, trying to capture in letters various English or American
idioms, as I hear them in films or on records, or read them in books OR in
comics! For instance Don Rosa's work is FULL of these idiomatic spellings -
although he is much, much better at it than I am - and he should be! It's after
all HIS language. I'm sorry if it bothers you, and I'll try to restrain myself
at least marginally, but I can't promise to be a good boy ALL of the time,
really - sorry!

Oh, and by the way: Dutch is actually one of my favourite languages, and one I
wish I could speak, but there aren't too many places in Sweden where they teach
it... One day, though, I'll have a go at it, I hope!

Mattias


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Thu Nov 18 03:31:55 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:31:55 -0500
Subject: Disney-comics digest #160. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 18 Nov 93 01:19:16 +0100
Message-ID: <9311180231.AA27346@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	Gilbert Milburn quoted me:

>      The complaints about Rosa in this article are virtually
> identical to the few anti-Rosa letters I saw in the old Gladstone
> comics.  (I saw no anti-Rosa letters in Disney's comics, although
> there were a great deal of anti-Van-Horn letters.)  Nothing new under
> the sun.

	Then he added:

      "YES, unfortunately this is the case most of the time!  I don't see why
people can't just let Don do what he loves doing with out always telling him
that: "You Sir, are NO Barks!"  Who cares, who is anyway?!?  They don't
ridicule Van Horn or any of the rest, so why do they consistently devour Don
alive???"

	Huh?  What I meant to say was that during the Disney Comics
period (1990-93) I saw *no* anti-Rosa letters, and I followed their
comics very closely.  However, what I meant was that there were
*droves* of letters panning William Van Horn.  The letter column of
Disney Comics' DDA was (particularly around issues #15-18 I think) the
center of a raging debate over Van Horn.  The comments ranged from
dripping praise (as I often give Don Rosa! ;-) to furious comments of
the "this art is better suited to coloring books" variety.  Even Bob
Foster chimed in, in one case giving a relatively nasty answer to
someone who referred to Van Horn's stories as "drek" (he didn't mind
criticism, he said, but insults were different).

	The only letters I saw panning Rosa were in the old Gladstone
comics, and they sounded very much like that German article.

	In issue #21 there was even a letter from one Cap Petschulat
(I'm not sure about the spelling there) who wrote in attacking Carl
Barks.  Paraphrase:  "I can't understand all the shouting about your
'hot' artist, Carl Barks.  He only has about four or five different
duck expressions which he reuses again and again... I prefer Vicar."
To this Bob responded, "Yeah, we ought to get rid of that Barks guy.
He's been producing clunky stuff for years now.  I don't think he has
a future in comics."


	DDA 24
	=== ==

	Gladstone filled up the issue with a story from Egmont about
.... about a *talking mailbox*?  Aaargh!  I'd go with Branca, Vicar
and Scalabroni almost always if you ask me.  They get the best scripts
because Byron and the other editors think better of their work.

	Gladstone seems to be picking real lemons when it comes to
Danish stories... I can't help but say so.  From 1989-1992 I had
regular access to the Danish comics in their German editions.  I'd say
that there was a lot of slop, but also some good stories now and then,
and Gladstone is overlooking them!  Why?  In the old days they chose
so many *good* Danish stories!  What's happened?  The general quality
of Egmont's stuff has in general gotten *better* if you ask me.

	I'm doing my bit by choosing my favorite Danish stories to
translate for use here.  And both I and Dwight Decker are preparing
lots of good Dutch stories, too.  (BTW:  The quality of Dutch stories
seems to me in general to be better than the Danish ones.)

	
	That's about all for now.  Soon I'll be able to tell you about
the laser disc set I'll have in a few days put out by Disney, a
collection of all-black-and-white Mickeys from 1928-1935.  It'll be of
interest here since so many of the cartoons on the set were used as
the basis for Gottfredson stories.

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein

	"Oh, the cows and the chickens, they all sound like the
Dickens when I hear my little Minnie's YOO-HOO!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

	P. S.  That's a fine old 1929 song which Mickey opens my first
Egmont Mouse story by singing!  Back to Gottfredsonian basics, I say!


	


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Thu Nov 18 14:51:17 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 18 Nov 93 08:51:17 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #160.
Message-ID: <931118135116_72260.2635_EHK40-2@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS ON #160:

Gil:
	I can't be the judge of whether my art looks like Crumb. But it
MUST since several people have said so. If Crumb's and my art resemble
each other, it's sheer coincidence as Crumb is not one of my influences,
whoever my influences might be. I never sought to copy his art and my
ugly style was already ugly when I saw my first Crumb comic.
	I keep seeing people making references to "anti-Rosa articles"
or letters other than this mysterious German one. Not that I would doubt
that such would exist, but where were they? I don't recall anything even
remotely like the German article. And if I useta get hate-mail early-on
at Gladstone, I've blotted it from my memory. Which issues? I'll go back
and peek.
	The anti-Rosa stuff will be mostly or exclusively in Germany.
That's where the only anti-Rosa group that I know of has its closest
ties and influences. There'll be more to come probably this June.

	Somebody was picking at Mattias because of some strange spelling
he was using. Unless I'm mistaken, Mattias was writing in American rural
slang, like most of the people I live with in Kentucky speak. It's
constantly amazing to me how Europeans can not only speak English but
speak in dialects yet, whereas most Americans don't have the vocabulary
or correct pronunciation in English that these Europeans do. Wow!

	The question that someone wanted to ask people wishing to join
this group, "Do you think Chip n' Dale are cute" was amusing. Of course,
seriously speaking (never!), it's unfair since Chip n' Dale ARE cute.
The proper wording of such a question might be "Does your enjoyment of
Chip n' Dale arise from the fact that the art in their stories is
superb, the writing ingenious, the characterisation magnificent, and the
plots provocative... or does it arise from the fact they're drawn "cute"
and you are firmly convinced that Walt Disney is Jesus H. Christ?"
	Try that'n. That'll separate the intelligencia from the zombies.




From d91fe at metis.pt.hk-r.se  Thu Nov 18 15:44:40 1993
From: d91fe at metis.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:44:40 +0100
Subject: Lo$ 9 review (sort of)
Message-ID: <9311181444.AA02683@metis.pt.hk-r.se>

Don: you said that you wanted input on the Life of $crooge 9. Well,
I've had two friends of mine who are not into your works read it
and say what they thought. The reactions, as you will se, was kind
of mixed...

The first guy made the mistake of suggesting, when I told him to buy
the last issue of Kalle Anka & Co, that he'd borrow my copy instead.
He wasn't serious, of course, but the next day I brought the book
and he really had no choice but to read it. He doesn't normally read
any comics, but as any Swede, he read a lot of Disney as a kid. When
I asked him what he thought, he replied:

"Well, that was no _real_ Donald Duck comic..." (note: Because of DD's
great popularity in Sweden, "Donald Duck comic" is in casual speach
often synonymous with "Disney comic")
"What do you mean, _real_?", I asked.
"Well, things like death. You don't have that in Donald Duck. And I
have never seen a graveyard in Donald Duck before."
"OK. But apart from that, what did you think of the story?"
"Well, it was kind of amusing, I guess."

The next day, when he returned the comic to me, the transaction was
witnessed by a classmate of ours. So I suggested that she could borrow
it too.

"No, I don't think so." (Obviously thinking I was completely nuts.)
"But it has a great story by Don Rosa."
"What's that?"
"He's one of the best Disney artists today."
"Oh, I thought it was a comic book character."

I didn't push the matter further, but I later had another friend read
it. One that is generally into comics and loves Barks' works, but only
used to know Rosa by name (since I have kept telling him). And when he
returned the comic he was quite enthusiastic, nearly extatic. Don;
you've got yourself a new fan. :-) He was especially fond of the grave-
yeard picture, thinking it was not only very unusual for a Disney
comic, but extremely beautiful as well.

When I see my sister in a few weeks, I'll let her read it as well. She
is more of the typical (Swedish) Disney fan. She loves the animated
movies, especially the new ones and she reads and enjoys the comics,
but doesn't know who Carl Barks is, not to mention Don Rosa.

By the way; the friend of mine who read the comic first says (and he
won't listen to reason) that the years on $crooge's mother's gravestone
is 18something - 16something. I guessed it is 1840 - 1897. What IS it
really?

Hope noone is disturbed by me sending this out to everyone, but I
thought it could be of general interest to see what a few people
besides us fans think.

  /Fredrik


From krieg at ct.med.ge.com  Thu Nov 18 16:33:39 1993
From: krieg at ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:33:39 CST
Subject: Aloha!
Message-ID: <9311181533.AA22486@ct.med.ge.com>

>Tom Tonida said:
>
>Chris Lawton said:
>>    I'm also a sometimes reader/poster to rec.arts.disney.  I find that I have
>>    mixed feelings about the comments by Don Rosa.  I find that I skip over
>>    ~95% of the articles.  I agree with Don that most of the bandwidth there
>>    is wasted (i.e. "Oh - Ariel is sooo cute!" for hundreds of messages gets
>
>I can agree with this, and I do the FAQ for that group.  Still, there is
>some valuable information there, if you can find it. :-)  I worry for
>the future of the Internet (there's a million new members a month)-
>these days, the same subjects come up often (I could make the FAQ
>longer, as if 150K isn't big enough ;-)), 90% of some messages are included
>from previous messages, etc. etc.  But there are some Disney insiders
>there (and on the FLORIDA forum on Compuserve) which make it generally
>worthwhile (plus I'm writing some custom software to help me weed info
>out).  It's nice to have the quiet little Disney Comics mailing list
>to turn to (though what's with all the "subscribe me please" messages
>sent to the list recently?!? :-(  Yeah, I know.)

Didja know that I created rec.arts.disney?  Yep, I proposed it, sent out
the calls for discussion, did the vote, the whole shebang.  It did not
quite turn out the way I envisioned it.  I expected a lot more discussion
on comics and Disney's classic animation, not the current stuff.  I collect
Disney classic animation (shorts, movies, public service films, etc.), 
Disney CDs, Disney books (a signed edition of _Disney Animation: The Illusion
of Life_ is one of my prized possessions), Disney comics and Disney LPs.  I
was hoping other collectors would also post, talking about things they are
looking for, swapping cartoons, selling items, and the like.  I also enjoy
going to the parks now and then, and inside info on places to go and things
to do was also encouraged.  These were the types of topics I was hoping to
see discussed.  When the newsgroup started, it wasn't too bad.  Now I read 
about 5% of the messages.  There is way too much talk about sales figures for
video tapes, lusting after voice actresses, a make believe "Future Disney
Council", Eisner's salary, song parodies, etc.

Oh well, all newsgroups have there share of noise.  Why should this one be
any different?

I was also one of the original subscribers to this mailing list (Per saw
some of my Disney comics posts on r.a.d. and r.a.comics) and haven't
regretted it a bit.  Sure we go off of the beaten path on occasion (like
now), but I know a letter chock full o' good stuff is just around the
corner.  Unfortunately, r.a.d. has bigger corners.

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=     Andrew Krieg      |                                               =
= krieg at ct.med.ge.com   |  Treguna   Mekoides   Trecorum   Satis   Dee  =
=          or           |                                               =
= krieg at point.cs.uwm.edu|                                   - Astoroth  =
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From ronnya at stud.cs.uit.no  Thu Nov 18 19:19:05 1993
From: ronnya at stud.cs.uit.no (Ronny Haavard Arild)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 19:19:05 +0100
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: ronnya@lglab1a.CS.UiT.NO's message of Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:29:34 GMT
References: <RONNYA.93Nov18002935@lglab1a.CS.UiT.NO>
Message-ID: <9311181819.AA26146@lglab21.cs.uit.no>

ronnya at lglab1a.CS.UiT.NO (Ronny Haavard Arild) writes:

> Just a test to see if this goes to the mailing list (posting from
> fa.disney-comics).

Put 'To: disney-comics at student.docs.uu.se' in header.



From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu  Thu Nov 18 20:01:13 1993
From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:01:13 EST
Subject: WARNING!.. WARNING!..
Message-ID: <9311181901.AA05640@unix.campbellsvil.edu>

Quick, check your respective hard-drives and diskettes!!  We have found a
virus in our system here and we don't know fron whence it came!  Our system
is *now* CLEAN, but these things have a way of SPREADING WILDLY!!..
We ran a DELETE and CLEAN with MICROSOFT ANTI-VIRUS, so check you computers
for any and all bugs ASAP!!!

Good Luck,

-Gil

Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>

"Hello.  My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father; prepare to die!" 



From mas at cs.bu.edu  Thu Nov 18 20:03:39 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:03:39 -0500
Subject: Disney-comics digest #160. 
In-Reply-To: <9311180231.AA27346@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> (message from David A Gerstein on Wed, 17 Nov 93 21:31:55 -0500)
Message-ID: <9311181903.AA14686@csa.bu.edu>

David Gerstein writes:
> Paraphrase:  "I can't understand all the shouting about your
>'hot' artist, Carl Barks.  He only has about four or five different
>duck expressions which he reuses again and again... I prefer Vicar."
>To this Bob responded, "Yeah, we ought to get rid of that Barks guy.
>He's been producing clunky stuff for years now.  I don't think he has
>a future in comics."

Yeah, I remember reading that letter.  Most amusing.

DDA 24:
>	Gladstone filled up the issue with a story from Egmont about
>.... about a *talking mailbox*?  Aaargh! 

Well, the story is *called* "The Talking Mailbox", but it's not
actually *about* a talking mailbox.  At one point, Donald ends up
inside a mailbox, and two kids think that it's talking.  Still,
it's certainly not one of the greatest tales. (from my extremely
critical and biased point of view. :-) )

>	Gladstone seems to be picking real lemons when it comes to
>Danish stories... I can't help but say so.

I whole-heartedly concur - perhaps they just can't recognize quality
when it's in front of them?  Judging from their selection of Mickey
stories, I suspect this to be the case.

(Or maybe they order the stories sight-unseen?  You'd probably
 know more about any possible reasons than I would...)

===========================================================================
		       HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICKEY !!
--   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   --
mark a. semich                                               mas at csa.bu.edu
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From clawton at TFS.COM  Thu Nov 18 22:25:00 1993
From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 13:25 PST
Subject: Happy Birthday, Mickey!!
Message-ID: <m0p0Gqc-0003viC@TFS.COM>



Hiya!

It was 65 years ago today that the magic debuted.  65 years of fun, 65 years of happiness, 65 years of joy.  For all this time we have enjoyed his films, his 
laughter, his fun and antics.  Who is that has brought all of this into 
our lives?

None other than the one and only Mickey Mouse!

Today, November 18, 1993, is the 65 anniversary of Mickey Mouse.  Mickey is 
more than just a cartoon character.  The well known mouse is a national icon.
Considered to be more recognizable around the world than every past and current 
world leader, Mickey is truely an American tradition.


Mickey's first nation wide appearance, on November 18, 1928, was in the cartoon
short "Steamboat Willie".  Steamboat Willie is the first animated film to 
make use of fully syncronized sound.  Steamboat Willie has Mickey playing
the part of pilot of a steamboat, captianed by Pete, Mickey's long time rival.
Throughout the 7 and 1/2 minutes of the short, Mickey gets into quite a bit 
of mischief trying to help his dear friend Minnie.  What a great beginning!

Mickey's career has been long and enjoyable.  My thanks to Mickey for 
everything he represents and stands for.  "If only everybody could be a little 
bit more like Mickey!"


Chris      Mickey's #1 Fan!!  :)





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From hellman at proxxi.uf.se  Thu Nov 18 21:27:00 1993
From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 21:27:00 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Don's thorough research...
In-Reply-To: <m0p0FvU-000L9gC@proxxi.uf.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9311182157.E3959-b100000@cyber.proxxi.uf.se>

 On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Mattias Hallin wrote:
 
 > And, yeah - speaking of thorough... Don: I'm curious if this was intentional on
 > your part, or if I'm just constructing things out of thin air, but in the South
 > African episode, in the molasses-and-feathers sequence, it seems to me that
 > $crooge fires his two revolvers a total of 12 times (once to break the molasses
 > jar; thrice in the next panel to rip up the feather-bed (I counted the
 > muzzle-flames); and eight times into the ground (counting the bullet-holes in
 > the ground); and then in the next panel where Flintheart is running away, and
 > $crooge is reloading his gun, there is 12 spent cartridges on the ground... Is
 > all this intentional? I mean, it makes sense, since the usual revolver chambers
 > six rounds, and 2x6=12... If so, then that is what I call attention to detail!
 
 That sounds careless. The standard procedure was.. Ten bullets in two
 guns, not twelwe. That's because the chamber right beneath the hammer
 is almost always empty to avoid accidents. Even today we are teached to
 have an empty chamber in my profession. On the other hand, does $crooge
 reload right *before* the gunfight ( I don't remember ) then he would fill
 them up.
 
 	koll. Bror Hellman
 
 
 ----------------------------------------------
 
 ... Does The Little Mermaid wear an algebra?
 
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 Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0
 




From mas at cs.bu.edu  Fri Nov 19 01:32:23 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 19:32:23 -0500
Subject: A Scrooge Request
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.07.9311182157.E3959-b100000@cyber.proxxi.uf.se> (message from Bror Hellman on Thu, 18 Nov 1993 21:27:00 +0100 (MET))
Message-ID: <9311190032.AA11788@csa.bu.edu>

I don't intend to annoy anyone, so I tender my apologies for my humble
request to those who are discussing Don Rosa's 12 part "Life and Times
of Scrooge McDuck" epic:

The story isn't going to see print here in the U.S.A until January,
1994, so I ask that, if it isn't too much trouble, those who are
discussing minutiae of its various chapters please mention in the
subject line of their article that they are doing so.  This would
allow those of us (like myself :-) ) who want to be able to read Don's
magnum opus with an open mind (and not know in advance what is going
to happen in it) the opportunity of doing so by not reading the
aforementioned spoiler-warning labeled articles.

Many thanks to all concerned, and again, I don't mean any criticisms
at all, I'm merely attempting to preserve my future enjoyment of Don's
chronicle and allow myself the chance to form my own opinions about
it.

===========================================================================
     "I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck.  There can be only one!"
--   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   --
mark a. semich                                               mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Fri Nov 19 02:34:48 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 20:34:48 -0500
Subject: A word from Mickey on his birthday
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 19 Nov 93 01:19:19 +0100
Message-ID: <9311190134.AA25042@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	This may sound a little bit outta th' ordinary, but I'm
writing in through my pal David Gerstein's E-Mail hookup mainly t'
reply to my #1 fan Chris Lawton.  (I'll also have David, who -- mebby
it's a little funny -- *also* says he's my #1 fan, send this thing to
th' digest... I wonder what folks are gonna think!)

	Hot Diggety Dog!  But ya sure had a lotta swell things to say
about me on my anniversary.  A minor correction when it comes to
"Steamboat Willie" -- I didn't rescue Minnie from Pete, just enjoyed
her company.  Fer once in his life the big bellowing hippopotamus
didn't try t' bother her -- but as always, he thought o' *me*
diff'rently!

	When ya started gettin' into all th' things I represent and
stand for, I was startin' to wonder if I shouldn't bring your letter by
Doctor Einmug an' see if he could sort it out.  I'm glad that ya
admire me, but darned if I can figger out just *why!*  If ya look up
t' me, though, I've got just one bit of advice.  It's like I once said
to Minnie:  "Sometimes when ya've got a big thing to do, ya hafta
swallow hard and say t' yourself that the *mail must go through!*  And
before ya know it -- the job's *done!*  And ya feel just *swell!*"

	Just since ya think I represent all those things, though, ya
gotta admit I don't always live up to 'em before you think I'm perfect
or something!  Once I thought that Minnie was gonna leave me
for Mr. Slicker... I was wrong, but I got myself so worked up I almost
*ended* it once and fer all!  Then there was th' time that I left Pete
out in th' desert when he'd got himself a Foreign Legion job and made
me hike out there!  Fer gosh sakes, before long I knew I'd made a
mistake!  Even if ya can't respect y'r enemies (who *can* if they're
like Pete?), you can stop yerself before ya do something *drastic* to
'em!  And I ought t' know that as sure as anyone.

	If ya want t' celebrate my birthday, then do one of these
things.  First, write a letter t' my pals at Gladstone sayin' how ya'd
like t' see me get a comic of my own again!  Then (if ya c'n *afford*
it) go get yourself that set of laser discs with my old
black-and-white cartoons on 'em.  And then just sit back and read some
of my adventures over a snack of some good cheese!  Minnie's favorite
is Swiss, and mine is Cammemm^[[D Camemm^[[D Camembur^[[D (Oops!)
Well, I like Swiss, too.

	Your pal,

	Mickey Mouse!

	"You know, Mickey, I think Don Rosa is going to think that
this letter is really the kind of thing that ought to go on
rec.arts.disney!  It lacks that critical sophistication..."






From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Fri Nov 19 04:45:29 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 18 Nov 93 22:45:29 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #161.
Message-ID: <931119034529_72260.2635_EHK55-1@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS TO #161:

Fredrik:
	I like to hear about man-in-the-street tests like you tried with
Lo$ part 9! Thank you. That was interesting. 
	I wouldn't be surprized that a non-Duck-fan or
non-$crooge-expert might come away from the Lo$ thinking it was only
mildly amuzing. It's all designed to only make complete sense or full
humor (such as it is) to those already thoroughly familiar with the
characters and their history -- which is the series biggest flaw. But I
always knew this weakness... a large part of the enjoyment of the
stories I expect (and design) to come from Duck fans who I expect to get
a kick out of how I've fit all the Barks-facts into one loooong story.
There are so many elements of the stories, so many sequences or
extraneous facts that are stuck in here and there JUST to get them
mentioned, and a casual reader would either get nothing from their
inclusion or would actually be puzzled by the seeming pointlessness of
lots of it. But this can't be an excuse -- if the stories fail to
completely entertain ALL readers, that can never be good.
	Anyway, the date on $crooge's Ma's tombstone was greatly reduced
and slightly blurred by the fact that these comics, I THINK, are
reproduced from computer generated images of my art... but the dates are
1840-1897. I had to check my large copies myself when I saw the
tombstone in print, because the 1897 looked like a "1697" to ME, too.
But that made me think about the date and it seemed wrong still, so I
checked my original notes and I see that I made a mistake... or a
diversion from my original plans. I don't know what happened at the
time, but I thought I'd intended to put "1830" instead of "1840"... I
pictured Ma as being a bit older than 57 when she dies. It's a tiny
error, but I try to be sooooo thorough that even itty-bitty goofs
irritate me. Then there are the kind of goofs like in part 3 where I had
Prof. Rhutt Betler alive nearly 20 years after he died. That was a
BIGGER goof. Anyway, these kinda goofs will be corrected in Gladstone's
versions.
	



From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Fri Nov 19 04:49:28 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 18 Nov 93 22:49:28 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #161.
Message-ID: <931119034927_72260.2635_EHK55-2@CompuServe.COM>

	Oh, and as to the number of bullets in $crooge's six-shooters:
$crooge doesn't make careless mistakes. He never carried an empty
chamber in his pistols. In fact, those were the same 12 bullets that
he'd had in his pistols since the time he refused to shoot a charging
grizzly 4 years earlier because bullets were so expensive.




From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Nov 19 10:35:01 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 10:35:01 +0100
Subject: About languages (Aloha!)
Message-ID: <199311190935.AA28716@athena.research.ptt.nl>

I wrote to Mattias, something like:
> Maybe you can explain why you spell your English like (you do). Is this
> really how they speak English in Sweden? 8-)

Mattias:
> No - of course not; I'm interested in languages and dialects, and I'm basically
> just fooling around, trying to capture in letters various English or American
> idioms, as I hear them in films or on records, or read them in books OR in
> comics! For instance Don Rosa's work is FULL of these idiomatic spellings -

Of course I know it's not Swedish English. It amazed me that a Swede spells
English like this. I have read Rosa's work a lot and had some difficulties 
there, too. In fact, I was reading (or trying to read) a Captain Kentucky
episode with lots of 'local' spelling: I gave up and skipped the episode...
And then I started reading one of your messages...
(BTW: Don: I LOVE those CK comics! I may miss a lot of 'Loouhvul' humour but
it's still very enjoyable.)

> I'm sorry if it bothers you,

Only very slightly. I haven't skipped one of _your_ episodes yet.. 8-)

> and I'll try to restrain myself
> at least marginally, but I can't promise to be a good boy ALL of the time,
> really - sorry!

No need to. I'll get used to it. The _contents_ of your messages always make
up for it.

And now lemme see if I can read David's (sorry, Mickey's) message...

--Harry.

Harry Fluks                      ()_()     Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL)   (_)      H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl 
(Just a small Mickey. That other one is much TOO BIG!)



From kjetilho at ifi.uio.no  Fri Nov 19 15:05:09 1993
From: kjetilho at ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 15:05:09 +0100
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: ronnya@lglab21.CS.UiT.NO's message of Thu, 18 Nov 1993 18:19:04 GMT
References: <RONNYA.93Nov18002935@lglab1a.CS.UiT.NO>
	<RONNYA.93Nov18191905@lglab21.CS.UiT.NO>
Message-ID: <19931119140509.24237.bera.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no>

Eg er ganske sikker p? at det ikkje verkar... Om eg tek feil, skrik ut!
Send mail til lista i staden, det fungerer.


Kjetil T.


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Nov 19 16:14:41 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:14:41 +0100
Subject: Indexing system? (Re: Chris)
Message-ID: <199311191514.AA11825@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Christ Lawton had
> A quick question:
> 
>     What kind of personal indexing system does everybody use? I think for now,
>     that I'm just going to use Excel to catalog issues that I have.  But 
>     what kind of information do you like to have?

What exactly do you mean? A personal indexing system for information about
which comics one posesses?
In that case: the answer is: ASCII. I have a little file with issue numbers
of comics I don't have, and I update that file with my favourite program
editor.

Or are you talking about our stories indexes (available via ftp)?
In that case, the answer is: ASCII. 

>     But on to some comic related stuff:  Did anyone ever let Gladstone know
>     about this list?  In a recent printed letter in DDA #23, someone asked
>     how they can get in touch with other Disney Comics readers - and no
>     mention of us!

Well, David: any response yet to your letter to Gladstone with our remarks?

--Harry.

Harry Fluks                      ()_()     Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL)   (_)      H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl 
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Fri Nov 19 16:00:20 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 09:00:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Life of Scrooge #3
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311190920.E14616-c100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


Fantastisch!  Unglaublich!  Ausgezeichnet!

In der naehe von  (whoops, sorry.)

There is a bookstore near the library where I work that sells German
periodicals.  I discovered this fact last September, and I inquired if it
was possible for them to order Mickey Maus Magazine.  They could, but it
would be a few weeks, and I left my phone number so that they could tell
me when they would come in.  Well, I had heard nothing, so last Monday,
during my lunch break, I decided to go and see if they had received any. 
Man-oh-man!  They had two months worth of weeklies there!  I thumbed
through the various copies, and discovered, simply by your fantastic style
(I wonder if the coloring and paper had anything to do with it?), chapter
three of Lo$.  So, overjoyed, I bought this and the anniversary issue of
Mickey Mouse for $2.50 each.  I was greatly surprised at the gimmicks
inside.  The Uncle Scrooge issue had a fossil kit (plastic mold and
cement) in the middle, and the anniversary issue had a Mickey Mouse pin. 

So, during my afternoon coffee break, I sat down and started translating
what I could as I read.  Don, this is the first time I have laughed out
loud at a Disney comic book.  Not that the other stories weren't funny,
but I think the process of translating and then realizing the joke made it
even more humorous.  Especially the line about politics.

One question.  Towards the end of the story, is that location Toadstool
National Park?  Or is it someplace generic?  The ranching scenery of
endless grass and snow looks a lot like western Nebraska, and the
Sandhills actually extend into Nebraska. I hope Scrooge actually set foot
in Nebraska, but if not, well, no problem.  Mark Twain didn't think too
highly of Omaha when he visited, so I wouldn't be surprised if U$ bypassed
Nebraska.  Of course, if he wants to raise cattle, there is no place
better than Nebraska.   (This paragraph paid for by the Nebraska Tourism
Board.)

BTW, I have discovered an interesting fact.  The Smithsonian has in its
possession the nugget which started the California Gold Rush.  Any chance
of Scrooge and company hunting for this?  

I look forward to the other eleven chapters!  
Heck!  I look forward to anything from you!  Got any blueprints you want to
sell?  (and what do you think of the architecture at Disney's corporate
headquarters?

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Nov 19 16:27:59 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:27:59 +0100
Subject: WARNING!.. WARNING!..
Message-ID: <199311191527.AA13496@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Gil warned:
 
> Quick, check your respective hard-drives and diskettes!!  We have found a
> virus in our system here and we don't know fron whence it came!  Our system
> is *now* CLEAN, but these things have a way of SPREADING WILDLY!!..
> We ran a DELETE and CLEAN with MICROSOFT ANTI-VIRUS, so check you computers
> for any and all bugs ASAP!!!

There is no chance at all to get a virus from plain (ASCII) mail. This can
only happen if you run a program or install a system file that was sent in
binary form.

The only program ever sent on this list was Fredrik's C-program to extract data
from the 'interlingual' file. Fredrik sent the source code, and I am sure there
was no virus in there 8-).

(On the other hand, if I'm wrong about all this, I would like to know!)

--Harry.


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Fri Nov 19 16:26:54 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 09:26:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: rec.arts.disney
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311190918.F14616-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


Yes, I read r.a.d.  Yes, I too am interested in sales figures of Disney
video tapes, inner workings of DisneyWorld, and song parodies.

As a matter of fact, if I hadn't posted a note saying that Carl Barks had
won a lifetime achievement award (Disney Legends?), Per wouldn't have told
me about this group.  So it is good for something.

Personally, I think we get more members from the comic book lists than we
do from the r.a.d.  

BTW, could someone tell me any Disney comics appearances of Chernobog from
Fantasia?  Perhaps he did a cameo with Jiminy Cricket and Thumper?  (HA!)

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Fri Nov 19 16:33:55 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 09:33:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Indexing system?
In-Reply-To: <199311191514.AA11825@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311190954.G14616-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


While we are on the subject of indexes....

There has been quite a bit of talk (not recently) about stories which have
been edited because of racial stereotypes and political correctness.  I
was wondering if anyone has a list of stories which have either been
edited or shelved by Disney Comics or other entities.  

If not, I would like to suggest that such a list be created.  It should
include the following:
	Story title
	Story code
	Issues or books where this story has appeared.
	A paragraph describing what changes have been made since the
original publication, and why.

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Fri Nov 19 16:33:06 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:33:06 +0100
Subject: Spoil-sport warnings in subject header...
Message-ID: <01H5I99IV62CBTSKFF@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Mark Semich asked us all to give him, and any possible others that think his
way, the chance to pristine enjoyment of Lo$, by putting some kind of warning
early enough in such postings that discuss minutiae of said series; in order
that he could then read them or not, as he might decide...

Well, Mark, first of all: no offense what-so-ever taken because of your VERY
polite request! And secondly: I really DO beg your pardon for not having
figured this out myself (I do think I'm one of the more persistent writers on
this particular subject) - I should have been more considerate, really!

Ergo: I for one will TRY to remember to warn you guys whenever I write on that
particular subject. I might forget, occasionally, and hope that you'll bear
with me... And I most certainly intend to CONTINUE this particular brand of
discussion - and I, too, look forward to the American publication most eagerly;
in part because, as I think I've said, I much rather read things in their
original language, if I'm at all able to, but ALSO, and not least, because I
look forward to having all you English-only readers in on the discussions!

Don: Yeah, you were dead right - I was at least TRYIN' to write in Rural
American/possibly with a Southern slant... I hope I don't made too much a mess
of it! One reason I'm somewhat adept at various American dialects and such, is
that I'm a Classic Jazz buff-and-practicing-musician; I often enough transcribe
lyrics off early-1920's-pre-electric recordings, more often than not recordings
by black (AND southern) artists, like Bessie Smith f'rinstance - and I also
read much American literature, and watch American movies - in particular
classic westerns, to which I'm a bit addicted... Sorry if I'm rambling about
not-at-all-Disney subjects, but, well...

A nice and Ducky week-end to all of you!

Mattias


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Fri Nov 19 16:40:51 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 09:40:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: FAQ?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311190951.I14616-b100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
has been talk of introductory material.  Therefore, let me propose that a
list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.

Topics for inclusion:
	What this list is, how it came to be, and it's purpose (do we have
		one?). 
	A list of FTP sites, what's where, and how to get it.
	A brief overview of Duck Genealogy.
	A brief overview of where Donald and Mickey live.
	An explanation of country codes.
	The difference between the digests and the single messages.
	A brief explanation about Disney comics circulation around the
		world, who publishes what, and how the whole process works.
	A brief bibliography of noted creators.  (Barks, Rosa, Van Horn,
		Gottfredson, etc.)
	A list of other electronic resources for Disney fans and comic
		book collectors (rec.arts.disney, rec.arts.comics.*,
		comics-l, comix at world, et cetera).
	How to submit stories and art.  (?)


	The whole file should be sent once to each member, with updates
sent whenever necessary.  This FAQ should be posted every so often to
other electronic resources, and should be available via FTP.


Comments?  Questions?  Suggestions?  


Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From d91fe at diploducus.pt.hk-r.se  Fri Nov 19 18:02:54 1993
From: d91fe at diploducus.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 18:02:54 +0100
Subject: FAQ?
Message-ID: <9311191702.AA01741@diploducus.pt.hk-r.se>

Torsten Adair wrote:
> Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> has been talk of introductory material.  Therefore, let me propose that a
> list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.

Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
(I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
there were no volunteers. Are there any now?

  /F


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Nov 19 18:41:47 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 18:41:47 +0100
Subject: List of censored stories
Message-ID: <199311191741.AA16925@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Torsten wrote:

> There has been quite a bit of talk (not recently) about stories which have
> been edited because of racial stereotypes and political correctness.  I
> was wondering if anyone has a list of stories which have either been
> edited or shelved by Disney Comics or other entities.  

I have a very old list, posted on r.a.d. long before the disney-comics mailing
list existed. It lists the changed and censored stories in the Carl Barks
Library.
We know more about textual changes and other stories now, but maybe this can
serve as a start?

--Harry.

>  (...) It appears, that some of the
>  rare stories are restored or completely redrawn, others are censored on
>  certain places.
>
>  Here is a list of what we found so far (in random order):
>
>  Four Color 238, Voodoo Hoodoo: natives censored, zombie's nose changed.
>           Uncensored version appeared in Europe.
>  Uncle Scrooge 33 (2nd), Bongo on the Congo: natives changed on page 7 and
>           8.
>  B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
>           panel missing. The story has been redrawn, page 1 - 4 by Daan
>           Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.
>  Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly redrawn by Daan Jippes, only a few
>           original Barks panels re-inserted in the Jippes version.
>           Cash register and money removed on last panel.
>  Firestone Giveaway '46, Santa's Stormy Visit: redrawn by Egmont. The
>           drawings are very 'un-Barks'
>  B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: redrawn by Daan Jippes (on
>           one panel, Donald's ship is named "Kwaak". This is the Dutch word
>           for "Quack")
>           (Note: this version also appeared in a Disney Comic.
>           They retouched the word "Kwaak" though)
>  Southern Pacific Giveaway, Donald Tells About Kites: restored.
>  Four Color 29 (3rd), Too Many Pets: restored.
>
>  The redrawn versions by Daan Jippes were done in 1974, 1975 for Oberon, the
>  Dutch Disney editor. Apparently, the CBL used some of these stories,
>  replacing the Dutch dialogue by (original?) American.
>
>  We are sure our list is not complete. We hope that an original version of
>  the stories above will appear somewhere, sometime.
>
>  Daniel van Eijmeren and Harry Fluks
 
 


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Sat Nov 20 05:39:07 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 19 Nov 93 23:39:07 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #162.
Message-ID: <931120043906_72260.2635_EHK52-1@CompuServe.COM>

COMMENTS ON #162:

	Mark's point was so well taken that I'm stunned that I would not
have thought of warning American readers when I was going to discuss the
Lo$ myself. Heck, I'm so anxious for readers to not know the stories
ahead of time that I even treat my editor like a common "reader" and I
won't tell him what a new story is about until he reads the
storyboard-script that I FAX him. That's very dangerous since I might
cause myself to spend a lot of time on a story that he knew that he
would have nixed had he known the plot or subject, but it seems SO
important that a reader does not know what the next page or even panel
will be until he gets to it. Entire stories are laid out just so key
panels appear on the "next page" to add a lil' surprize as the reader
turns a page. So, from now on, it'll say "SPOILER WARNING" at the start
of any paragraph where I discuss the Lo$.

	Well, is it ALWAYS necessary, I'm already wondering? Now I'm
going to tell, was it Torsten?, that Lo$ part 3 does NOT take place in
Nebraska. Would that spoil anything? I know for a fact that many foreign
versions of my stories do not stick to my scripts, some less than
others. I'm in close touch with the German translator-editor, so the
German should be close. However, in my script it is made quite clear
exactly where $crooge is in that tale. In fact, you can always check the
first panel of each chapter where I make a point of including a map of
the site of that chapter's action. On the German-version map you can see
where the "Badlands" are, though they chose to not list the areas as
territories but as states, which made it look very odd to any American
that North and South Dakota are just Dakota. So $crooge is nowhere near
Nebraska... he was just across the central western border of the Dakota
territory where...uh... that guy in the story had his ranch (in real
life, of course). There! WHO that guy is might be something I wouldn't
want to spoil (if I haven't already once before).

	As for all these new members, it seems to me that one of the
best ways they could be introduced to everything we're discussing is if
they can read the contents of the OLD digests. I'm told that these
digests are all on file somewhere, but are they available for new
members to call up at their leisure?
	As for writing up a list of "FAQ", not me! No time! In fact, I
don't even have time to finish what I'



From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Sat Nov 20 18:45:20 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 93 12:45:20 -0500
Subject: An updated list of the changed/censored stories
Message-ID: <9311201745.AA19044@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks (and especially Harry),

	Here's an updated version of that list of changed/censored
stories.  I've added a bit of information about the stories you
already had, too.

	BTW:  Is the version of "Bongo on the Congo" in USA 3 censored
just like the later reprinting (1 year later) in the CBL?

	Anyway...

	* * * * *

  Four Color 238, Voodoo Hoodoo: natives censored, zombie's nose changed.
           Uncensored version appeared in Europe.

  Four Color 256, Luck of the North: Eskimos' dialogue rewritten
           slightly in Gladstone Giant Album 2 (status in CBL II unknown)

  Four Color xxx, Land of the Totem Poles: Indians' dialogue
           rewritten in DD 278 printing (status in CBL II unknown?)

  Uncle Scrooge 13, Land Beneath the Ground:  Missing art restored;
           two captions changed to bridge gaps left by still-missing
           art (in Gladstone Album 6; CBL status unknown).

  Uncle Scrooge 29, Island in the Sky: in various places -- "Apache"
           changed to "alien", "Mohawk" changed to "Savage." Caption: 
           "They kneel like the American savages kneeled to Columbus!"
           changed to "ancient" savages and "explorers".  "How" 
           changed to "Howdy" in one panel.  In US 269.  Status of the
           story in CBL unknown?

  Uncle Scrooge 33 (2nd), Bongo on the Congo: natives changed on page 
           7 and 8 in CBL (status in USA 3 unknown?)

  Uncle Scrooge xx, How Green Was My Lettuce:  Missing art restored; a
           figure of Scrooge added in silhouette to one panel and two new
           inserted panels by Don Rosa (to bridge additional 
           still-missing art) in US 241.

  Walt Disney's C&S 87, The Terrible Turkey: The word "eagle" has been
           changed to "giant quail" on page 10 of the story in WDC&S
           579 reprint; CBL reprints unchanged.

  Walt Disney's C&S 127, The April Foolers: Title of book in trash
           heap "Mein Kampf" removed in WDC&S 560; unchanged in CBL.

  Walt Disney's C&S 159, Will-o'-the-Wisp: Scrooge's top hat has been
           redrawn in the first panel, and a title "Book of Devious 
           Strategems" has been added to a book on a later page, in
           the WDC&S 566 reprint.  CBL reprints unchanged.

  Walt Disney's C&S xxx, Submarine Santa: Sign has been added to
           shopfront on page 1 splash panel in WDC&S 568.

  Walt Disney's C&S 186, Olympic Team Try-Outs: Donald's winning cup
           has been changed to a medal in WDC&S 575 and dialogue changed
           appropriately;  some of audience's boos deleted;  reference to
           "unfriendly" countries changed to "other" countries, and 
           Olympic slogan "it is not to win, but to *try* that is 
           important" has been changed somewhat (this is indeed an
           Olympic slogan, but Barks originally had it slightly wrong)
           and relettered.  (Status of CBL version unknown?)

  B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
           panel missing. The story has been reinked, page 1-5 and 10
           by Daan Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.

  Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly reinked by Daan Jippes; a few
           original Barks panels re-inserted in American printings.
           Cash register and money removed on last panel.

  Firestone Giveaway '46, Santa's Stormy Visit: reinked by Egmont. 

  B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: reinked by Daan
           Jippes.  Name of Donald's boat accidentally left in Dutch
           ('KWAAK') in CBL, but restored in Disney DDA 26.  Name on 
           newspaper, 'Dagobert McDuck,' left unchanged from Dutch in 
           both reprints.

  Southern Pacific Giveaway, Donald Tells About Kites: restored.

  Four Color 29 (3rd), Too Many Pets: restored.


  The inked versions by Daan Jippes were done in 1974, 1975 for 
Oberon, the Dutch Disney editor. When the CBL and others used these
stories, they replaced the Dutch dialogue with the original American text
(a mixture of Xerox copies and reletterings).

  We are sure our list is not complete. We hope that an original
version of the stories above will appear somewhere, sometime.

	* * * * *

	Is this okay?  Note that I can't remember the number of two or
three issues... this seems like a good idea for a new list to put on
ftp, but it would be a good idea to restore the numbers first.

	Thanks!

	David Gerstein


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Sun Nov 21 05:32:40 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 22:32:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: FAQ?
In-Reply-To: <9311191702.AA01741@diploducus.pt.hk-r.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311202238.B12201-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
> Torsten Adair wrote:
> > Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> > has been talk of introductory material.  Therefore, let me propose that a
> > list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> > enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
> Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
> (I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
> there were no volunteers. Are there any now?

Well, why don't we send stuff here, so that everyone here can put in there
two cents worth?

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Sun Nov 21 20:13:11 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 13:13:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: FAQ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.05.9311202238.B12201-a100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311211310.D16681-b100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Torsten Wesley Adair wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
> > Torsten Adair wrote:
> > > Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> > > has been talk of introductory material.  Therefore, let me propose that a
> > > list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> > > enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
> > Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
> > (I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
> > there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
> Well, why don't we send stuff here, so that everyone here can put in there
> two cents worth?

Me, again.  A thought struck me last night, and Don also mentioned it. 
Most of the FAQ topics I listed were from discussions on this list.  So
all that really needs to be done is for someone to get copies of the mail,
print them out, figure out what goes where, cut and paste it so that it is
coherent, and then send it back to the list.  Another Christmas project,
like last year's indexes.  

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Sun Nov 21 20:51:30 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 13:51:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #162.
In-Reply-To: <931120043906_72260.2635_EHK52-1@CompuServe.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311211328.F16681-b100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>


ROSEBUD ALERT!!  SPOILER WARNING!!

On 19 Nov 1993, Don Rosa wrote:
> COMMENTS ON #162:
> 	Well, is it ALWAYS necessary, I'm already wondering? Now I'm
> going to tell, was it Torsten?, that Lo$ part 3 does NOT take place in
> Nebraska. Would that spoil anything? I know for a fact that many foreign
> versions of my stories do not stick to my scripts, some less than
> others. I'm in close touch with the German translator-editor, so the
> German should be close. However, in my script it is made quite clear
> exactly where $crooge is in that tale. In fact, you can always check the
> first panel of each chapter where I make a point of including a map of
> the site of that chapter's action. On the German-version map you can see
> where the "Badlands" are, though they chose to not list the areas as
> territories but as states, which made it look very odd to any American
> that North and South Dakota are just Dakota. So $crooge is nowhere near
> Nebraska... he was just across the central western border of the Dakota
> territory where...uh... that guy in the story had his ranch (in real
> life, of course). There! WHO that guy is might be something I wouldn't
> want to spoil (if I haven't already once before).

The map did show his route, but I was just wondering where that geological
formation was.  As for the dialogue, well, I tend to skip words and just
get the gist of what is said.  

As for that "guy", I wonder how many people outside the U.S. knew who he
was.  I knew it the minute I saw him (fairly obvious clues), but even
though you give his first name in the last panel, I tend to wonder.  
 
> 	As for writing up a list of "FAQ", not me! No time! In fact, I
> don't even have time to finish what I'

Heh.  Keep up the good work!  

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA
 




From mas at cs.bu.edu  Sun Nov 21 21:35:09 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 93 15:35:09 -0500
Subject: UK info?
In-Reply-To: <9311161235.AA00748@n2o.cs.man.ac.uk> (message from The GRIPPER on Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:35:51 GMT)
Message-ID: <9311212035.AA24331@csa.bu.edu>

With all of the recent new members on the disney comics mailing list,
I was wondering if we now had any people in the U.K. who might know the
answers to a couple of disney-comic related questions:

I've heard conflicting rumors as to whether or not Fleetway is still
publishing the Disney comic books in the U.K. (or if they're even
being published *at all*) and as to whether Don Rosa's "Life and Times
Of Scrooge McDuck" is going to see print as a graphic novel there as
well.  Does anyone know what is actually going on?


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Mon Nov 22 10:41:52 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 10:41:52 +0100
Subject: An updated list of the changed/censored stories
Message-ID: <199311220941.AA13383@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Some remarks on David's updated list:

>   Four Color xxx, Land of the Totem Poles: Indians' dialogue
>            rewritten in DD 278 printing (status in CBL II unknown?)

That's FC 263, and the CBL has original dialogue.

>   Uncle Scrooge xx, How Green Was My Lettuce:  Missing art restored; a
>            figure of Scrooge added in silhouette to one panel and two new
>            inserted panels by Don Rosa (to bridge additional 
>            still-missing art) in US 241.

US 51.
Same in CBL, except for the 2 Rosa panels (space filled with text in stead).

>   B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
>            panel missing. The story has been reinked, page 1-5 and 10
>            by Daan Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.

Where did you get the information that Jippes inked pages 5 and 10 as well?

>   B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: (...) Name on
>            newspaper, 'Dagobert McDuck,' left unchanged from Dutch in 
>            both reprints.

Does it really say 'McDuck'? In Holland, $crooge is called 'Dagobert Duck'.

> 	Is this okay?  Note that I can't remember the number of two or
> three issues... this seems like a good idea for a new list to put on
> ftp, but it would be a good idea to restore the numbers first.

..and add other information we already have... I remember Per posting
information about textual changes in some Barks stories.
I could look it up; I could also start making a FAQ, but there's one thing
that withholds me: I don't have the time at the moment...

--Harry.


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Mon Nov 22 15:03:23 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 15:03:23 +0100
Subject: I know, but some of you don't want to...
Message-ID: <01H5MCFVHELGBTSKST@castor.ldc.lu.se>

SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!

Someone asked if us Europeans would recognize the guy that $crooge meets in the
Dakota badlands in Lo$ 3 - sure, no problem! at least not for me to recognize
the "Hero of San Juan Hill"! I might have had problems with a visual
recognition of someone like McKinley, or so, but this one was a cinch!

Says

Your humble braggart

Mattias


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Mon Nov 22 15:17:05 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 22 Nov 93 09:17:05 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #164.
Message-ID: <931122141704_72260.2635_EHK42-1@CompuServe.COM>

Mark:
	Is Fleetway still publishing the Disney comics in the UK?
	Egmont (Gutenberghus) had always published the UK Disneys until
a few years ago when media-mogul Rupert Murdoch managed to power the
Disney license away from Egmont (not easy, since Egmont is no slouch)
and give it to his Fleetway comics. This was pretty irritating for
Egmont after they had created and nurtured the UK Disney comics for so
long. So... Egmont bought Fleetway. Now, Fleetway is still publishing
the UK Disneys, but Fleetway is Egmont.
	The problem is that about a year or so ago when this happened,
the UK Disneys all started over with new titles and first issues, and
were put in the hands of people who knew even LESS about Disney comics
than when Disney took the American license away from Gladstone. A
constant source of irritation with my Copenhagen editors seems to be how
the UK people louse up the comics, mostly through sheer carelessness.
Hopefully it will get better.

Torsten:
	The identity of the "guy" in Lo$ part 3 is intended NOT to be
known by any readers except the adults or otherwise bright ones. All the
clues are there...that guy actually DID have a ranch in the western
Dakota Territory in 1882 when $crooge was there, and he did all the
other things I say he did. When they go back to the original script in
the American editions, the "guy's" dialogue will be paraphrased from his
actual writings and speeches. Wouldn't you say he was the IDEAL person
in all of history that $crooge could have gotten inspiration from?! And
when my research told me that he and $crooge were in the Badlands at the
exact same time, it was irresistably obvious to base the tale on.
	As for that scenery, there are sections of the Dakota Badlands
that include all of the elements I used in the backgrounds. But they
occur NOWHERE all TOGETHER as I depict them, particularly in that
half-page shot. That was the ol' artistic license.




From jonlo at ifi.uio.no  Mon Nov 22 17:40:57 1993
From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 17:40:57 +0100
Subject: Additions to the changed stories list
Message-ID: <19931122164057.754.gjalp.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no>


Another addition to the list..

In the story where Donald becomes obsessed with fire, and runs around
all over Duckburg makin fires (square fires, round fires etc. :)), I believe
there was inserted a badly drawn panel in the end, where Donald wakes
up in bed. Making the entire story a bad dream.

As this is my first posting to the group (I've been lurking for months),
I might as well introduce myself:

My name is Jon C. Lorentzen, I am 21 years old, and I've been reading Duck
comics since I was four. I've been an avid collecter ever since, with only
a slight break in my collection in 88-89 when DuckTales dominated the
series. Being a poor student, I desperately try to save enough money
to keep buying the Carl Barks Library in Colour.

Now that I've bored you to death I'll go on to comment Lo$:

HERE BE SPOILERS:

I believe I managed to discover a pun in the African part of the series,
that was totally lost in the translation. I'm talking about
when Scrooge helps Gloomheart up on his cart, Gloomheart says something
like (Translated from Norwegian) "I am a Boer" and Scrooge answers
"I'm sure I've met worse". In English the pun is obvious (Boer/Bore),
but the Norwegian translation just translated it directly, and missed the
whole point. How did the Swedes and Danes handle this pun? And did I
translate it correctly, or am I far off here?

Jon C. Lorentzen
University of Oslo





From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu  Mon Nov 22 19:40:41 1993
From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 13:40:41 EST
Subject: This and that!..
Message-ID: <9311221840.AA26471@unix.campbellsvil.edu>

Dear Don and everyone else,


COMMENTS ON DIGESTS  #160-164

Harry quoted me:
>   Welcome aboard!.. because Per is usually very busy maybe Harry, Torsten
> or somebody else can handle your initiation!   >;-D

And then added:
> Technically, we can't do anything to add people to the mailing list. That's
> on Per's machine and Per is the only one authorized on that machine.

        That's NOT what I meant, for that re-read your next statement!.. 

Harry:
> But we can make up some initiation rites, if you want. Like: newcomers 
> should answer the next question correctly: "do you think Chip 'n' Dale are
> cute?" 8-)

        Sounds good to me, went do we start?   >;-)

David A Gerstein said: 
>       Huh?  What I meant to say was that during the Disney Comics
> period (1990-93) I saw *no* anti-Rosa letters, and I followed their
> comics very closely.  However, what I meant was that there were
> *droves* of letters panning William Van Horn.  The letter column of
> Disney Comics' DDA was (particularly around issues #15-18 I think) the
> center of a raging debate over Van Horn.  The comments ranged from
> dripping praise (as I often give Don Rosa! ;-) to furious comments of
> the "this art is better suited to coloring books" variety.  Even Bob
> Foster chimed in, in one case giving a relatively nasty answer to
> someone who referred to Van Horn's stories as "drek" (he didn't mind
> criticism, he said, but insults were different).

Don said:
>       I keep seeing people making references to "anti-Rosa articles"
> or letters other than this mysterious German one. Not that I would doubt
> that such would exist, but where were they? I don't recall anything even
> remotely like the German article. And if I useta get hate-mail early-on
> at Gladstone, I've blotted it from my memory. Which issues? I'll go back
> and peek.
>       The anti-Rosa stuff will be mostly or exclusively in Germany.
> That's where the only anti-Rosa group that I know of has its closest
> ties and influences. There'll be more to come probably this June.

Mattias Hallin:
> Don!
>    Of course I reacted to that German tripe! It made me sick to my stomach,
> if not necessarily literally, at least figuratively speaking!!! The reason
> I didn't say much about it is, I guess, basically because I figured 
> everyone  on this list would and does react pretty much as I did - we all
> know it is a trashy piece of hogwash; albeit unfortunately rather cleverly
> disguised by enough facts (like, they spell your name right, and you ARE 
> working on a story about $crooge's life etc.) to make it seem informed to
> the UNinformed average German reader of the feature. Which of course makes
> it's (probably) malicious intent all the more malicious... Yuk! Sick to my
> stomach... believe me!  But I didn't and don't see much point in ARGUING 
> against it on THIS LIST, really, because I just can't concieve any of us 
> BELIEVING such crappy nonsense!

        Ah ha!.. a *TRUE* Rosa fan, after my own heart!   ;-)

Mattias:
> What I do, however, intend to do, and actually have been planning to do for
> quite some time now, is to write a feature of my own about Lo$, to appear
> in NAFS(k)uriren, and if it turns out well enough, possibly to translate it
> and offer it to, well, Der Donaldist, Duckburg Times and/or The Barks
> Collector.

        *GREAT!.. PLEASE DO WRITE YOUR FEATURE, TELL THE WORLD HOW YOU FEEL!!*
I wish I felt MORE comfortable as a writer, I REALLY let the WHOLE WORLD HAVE
WITH BOTH BARRELS--RIGHT BETWEEN THE EYES!!  So, you'll just have to speak
for me as well, if you don't mind!

Mattias:
> This, of course, won't go a very long way towards rectifying the 
> maliciously slanted slander against you in that article, since I will still
> be talking only to those already in the know, but... what can one do, 
> really?
>
> And huccome they're DOING this to you in the first place?

        Mattias, that "My Friend" is a very *GOOD* question!.. I have *NEVER*
understood ALL the Anti-Rosa proclamations, that WE, as fans get SMASHED over
the head with!!!   Don, do you know WHY the so called: "authorities" hate you
SO MUCH?!? 

Chris Lawton:
> P.S.   Don - If you feel a little unappriecated by the folks at Disney, 
> please try to not let it get you down.  There's still lots of people who do
> like the work you do here in the U.S.

        Listen to Chris, Don!!..  I think he speaks for *many* of US.

Tom Tanida:
> I'll vouch for that.  I love Don's work (when I can find it! arggh!)
> and I've been collecting his comics.  I grew up with Barks, and only Don
> can compare (if he doesn't mind the useless comparisons- I don't think
> it's really very appropriate to compare artists, movies, etc.- each should
> stand alone).  It's too bad the US market is bent more on comics with
> mindless violence.

        Hey, cool another one!.. Well, I have been following Don's work since
1980 when he started: "CAPTAIN KENTUCKY" if you don't know about it ask me
about and I'll post you some information!

Tom:
> A friend of mine also loves Don's work- she pores over every frame to
> examine the great detail put in to each one.  In fact, she even thinks 
> Barks'art is not as good, and reads Don's stories almost exclusively!

        *SEE Don!.. I've been trying to tell you for years that you do excellent
work and that people *REALLY* do love ALL the care you put in to it!!!!!!!!!*

Torsten Adair:
> Comments?  Questions?  Suggestions?
  
        Ah, just one unrelated one buddy: "How well did you understand German
(written/spoken)?"  I know your Mother is German, but you were raised here in
the States and many American can *barley* speak English!

There, now kick that around...

Later,

-Gil

Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>

"Hello.  My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father; prepare to die!" 



From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Tue Nov 23 00:28:42 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 18:28:42 -0500
Subject: Additional censored stories
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 21 Nov 93 01:19:08 +0100
Message-ID: <9311222328.AA29130@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	One update and two new additions to the unfortunate bucketful
of stories which have had to be censored:

	* * * * *

  Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly reinked by Daan Jippes; a few
           original Barks panels re-inserted in American printings.
           Cash register and money removed on last panel, and text in
           second-to-last panel changed (original text unknown).

  Four Color 29 (2nd), The Hard Loser: In WDC&S 551, the word "weird"
           was substituted for "queer" on page 5, so not to offend 
           homosexuals.  Reprints of the story in DDD 1 and in the 
           CBL are unchanged.

  WDC&S 112, Donald Van Winkle: In WDC&S 554, "the future" was
           substituted for "1990" at every point.  Also, any 
           exclamation originally written like (THIS) was altered so 
           it looked like >THIS<.  CBL reprints unchanged.

	* * * * *

	John Clark told me about the change in "Atom Bomb" today.  He
also told me that the missing Sunday strips in DD 282 were removed at
Disney's request.  One of them involved Donald posing as a blind
beggar, and two others involved doing mean things to Clarabelle
(although somehow, a strip where Donald actually gave Clarabelle a
black eye did make it into print!).

	Members of this group have asked for a Jack Hannah story to
appear in the DD 50th-anniversary issue, and so John is going to try
to get "School Days" from WDC&S 37.  He promises nothing for sure,
though, since Disney has the proofs (acquired from Whitman) and may
have trouble finding them (there's been a lot of reorganization since
Disney Comics stopped its monthly comics).

	Romano Scarpa story coming down the pike -- "The Man from
Ula-Ula" (can anyone tell me what this is about?).  Every other issue
of USA will be double-sized starting very soon, making room for some
more Italian stories as well.  "Colossus of the Nile", much-requested,
is on order NOW (we can thank our own FABIO for the code number!!!),
and "U$ and the Lentils from Babylon" will appear too... and *I'VE*
been assigned to dialog it!

	I'm both dying of excitement to see WDC&S 589 (my first
published dialog) and dying of embarrassment that they chose to print
one of my lesser ones first.  I like it okay, I guess, but the first
and seventh pages are a little stiff.  Anyone see it yet?

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein

	"Phooey on Sir Quincy Quack!  Double phooey!  And yuck!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>




From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Tue Nov 23 05:25:18 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 22 Nov 93 23:25:18 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #165.
Message-ID: <931123042517_72260.2635_EHK12-2@CompuServe.COM>

Mattias:
	Pertaining to that "guy" in Lo$ part 3, I forgot to mention that
I was slightly trepidatious when I decided to use the "guy" in the
story. I knew that I and a lot of others regarded him as one of the
greatest Americans of all time, but I was worried that to a non-American
he might be regarded as a maniacal imperialist! I was just as worried
that Europeans would never recognize him at all (though that really
wasn't much of a worry -- most Europeans know as much if not more about
American history than Americans; they definitely seem to know more about
our government!). Anyway, he sure does have a kisser on him, eh? He's a
joy to draw! I mean, even sticking a dog nose on him, you know who he is
instantly! And you might be pleased (?) to know that he makes a return
visit in part X, which might just be the best chapter of the series,
page for page (even though it's the chapter where I have the Bin built
in 1902).

Gil:
	You did it again, even though you recopy the portion of my
letter asking for an explanation. But you continued to say that you're
tired of "all the anti-Rosa proclamations that we keep getting smashed
over the head with". What are you referring to??? Other than the German
article (which you couldn't have even seen except on here), what are you
talking about?

	And to anyone who's interested, I've finished writing my "Donald
Duck 60th Birthday" special story, and tomorrow I begin doing the art.
It's a 15 page Duck version of "It's a Wonderful Life" where Donald is
granted the wish that he was never born.




From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Tue Nov 23 06:11:15 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 00:11:15 -0500
Subject: Today's scholarly (?) commentary
Message-ID: <9311230511.AA21626@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Hi, Folks!

	I'll take today's messages on one at a time.


	Jippes questions
	====== =========

	Pgs. 5 and 10 of "Darkest Africa" just don't look like
Vlottes' style -- for one thing, the ducks look just as they do in the
original (which I had a chance to see at the San Diego convention last
summer), whereas Vlottes' do not.  On Page 10, the medium and tight
shots of the ducks and McFiendy don't have the thick penline that
characterizes Vlottes' work (particularly his HD&L)... further
evidence.  Compare McFiendy on the last panel of page 10 to Jippes'
earlier art, and then to Vlottes' on the last two pages.  See how
different?  Vlottes can barely *draw* him -- I'd shudder to see what
Argus would look like were Vlottes not trying to trace Barks.

	Yep, the newspaper (or whatever) that Sylvester Shyster reads
to the Ducks on page 2 or 3 of "Race to the South Seas" certainly says
"Dagobert McDuck."  You go figure.


	Gil Milburn again said I was
	=== ======= ===== ==== = ===

	citing anti-Rosa articles when I was in fact citing anti-Van
Horn ones.  I said:  "During the Disney Comics period (1990-93) I saw 
*no* anti-Rosa letters... what I meant was that there were *droves* of
letters panning [criticizing] William Van Horn."

	Sorry, Gil... maybe I just wrote an incoherent paragraph, but
this ought to have cleared it up.  I've seen many more anti-Van-Horn
letters than anti-Rosa ones, and I don't think I ever saw an anti-Rosa
letter in a comic after 1989.


	FAQ suggestions
	=== ===========

	I say... yes, we should have a FAQ and if Harry has no time to
make it, the rest of us can at least get a start.  This FAQ should be
available from ftp, AND regularly posted to rec.arts.disney.  We can
build up Gladstone's readership that way...

	Regardez:


 (A) Introductory knowledge

	1.  What Disney comics are currently published?  Who publishes
them?  How can I get them?
	2.  Who is Carl Barks, and what has he accomplished?
	3.  Who is Don Rosa, and what has he accomplished?
	4.  Who is Al Taliaferro, and what has he accomplished?
	5.  Who are some of the others whose work appears in Duck
comics, and what have they accomplished?
	6.  Who is Floyd Gottfredson, and what has he accomplished?
	7.  Who is Romano Scarpa, and what has he accomplished?
	8.  Who is Paul Murry, and what has he accomplished?
	9.  Who are some of the others whose work appears in Mouse
comics, and what have they accomplished?
	10.  What is Egmont, and what is their role in Disney comics?
	11.  What is Oberon, and what is their role in Disney comics?
	12.  Who is Jaime Diaz, and what is his role in Disney comics?
	13.  What is Mondadori/Disney Italy, and what is their role in
Disney comics?


 (B) Historical knowledge

	1.  When were the first Disney comics made, and what were they
like?
	2.  What was the story behind Disney Comics?  What happened to
it, and what about its cancelled titles?
	3.  What stories have been censored?
	    [This would be a list of issues/titles only, with a
reference to our projected list describing specific changes in each]
	4.  What Gottfredson stories have been banned from reprint
anywhere in the United States?  Why?
	5.  What has Carl Barks done since retirement?
	6.  What was changed about the Carl Barks universe in the TV
series, "Duck Tales"?
	    [this being frequently brought up on the ranger-list]
	7.  Where were Donald Duck long adventures first created?
	    [answer:  In Britain and Italy;  Fabio and I will supply
            more info]


 (C) Editorial questions

	1.  What is the Life of $crooge, and when will it see print in
this country?  On what schedule?
	2.  What is the current status of a Mickey Mouse solo comic?
	3.  What is the current status of Gladstone comics' release
schedule?


 (D) Character secrets

	1.  How are Huey, Dewey and Louie related to other ducks?
	    [A small portion of the HD&L 'character' file]
	2.  What species is Goofy?
	    [Believe it or not, a lot of r-a-d people ask this, and
            since Dippy Dawg stories are still reprinted often, we 
            should answer it]
	3.  How is Gladstone Gander related to the others?
	    [A small portion of the GG 'character' file]
	4.  How are Morty and Ferdie related to Mickey Mouse?
	5.  What is Grandma Duck's name?
	6.  Is Sylvester Shyster a dog or a rat?
	    [This I CAN'T figure out!  When we make the FAQ I'll see
            what John Clark has to say]
	7.  What is Eega Beeva?
	    [No one seems to know!  He's the man of tomorrow,
            evolution taken to an illogical extreme, and accidentally 
            caught in a time warp while spelunking to end up in a 
            Mouseton cavern]

	* * * * *

	What about this, eh?  I could answer parts of many of these
questions, and so could a lot of us here.  And this covers most of
what people ask about Disney comics.  And we'll load the thing with
references to our ftp lists and mailing list.

	BTW:  I'm going to save this list so I don't have to type it
in again...


	New Mouse cartoons
	=== ===== ========

	Apparently Disney has announced that the Roger Rabbit cartoons
they have made for theatres are now to be supplanted by new MM short
cartoons.  I suppose they'll be "team" cartoons with MM/DD/GO, but I
have no basis for this guess...  I'd sure rather see those than
literary adaptations, tho' I still like those...  Someone on r-a-d
wrote that they hoped to see the Phantom Blot in the series, actually
mentioning Gottfredson by name (HURRAH!).  I'd like to see him, too,
but not if DD and GO also appear in the same cartoon.

	Anyway... it's about time!


	Mickey laser discs
	====== ===== =====

	I just have gotten that laser disc set, "Mickey Mouse:  The
Black-And-White Years Vol. 1".  Many of the cartoons were used by
Gottfredson as the basis for stories or parts of stories.  The prints
are beautiful, and all but one of the cartoons are uncut (the cut one
being "Steamboat Willie" and this due to an obvious SPLICE in their
NEGATIVE... the klutzes!  I've written to them so they can correct
this in future pressings).  Minor technical errors here and there in
their attempts to restore the original title frames to cartoons which
lacked them (they were re-released with different title cards, and
those prints are all that remain of many episodes).  On the whole,
though, a fantastic collection, for a most un-mouse-like $124.95.
(I've been salting away money since last spring for the set... I'd
never normally be able to afford it.)
	Just thought I'd recommend this superb product with a direct
tie-in to Gottfredson...


	In closing
	== =======

	That was one of the doggonedest LONG letters that I ever
wrote!  I haven't had so much to say in a long time, though, and I may
not again for a while (I can hear the cheering from here).

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein

	"Ah!  The languid bliss of autumn!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>




















From rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV  Tue Nov 23 07:44:02 1993
From: rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 01:44:02 EST
Subject: pun in LOS
Message-ID: <9311230644.AA26668@beno.CSS.GOV>

SPOILER ALERT!!!  (I suppose; I haven't read LOS yet either!)

Jon C. Lorentzen writes:
> I believe I managed to discover a pun in the African part of the series,
> that was totally lost in the translation. I'm talking about
> when Scrooge helps Gloomheart up on his cart, Gloomheart says something
> like (Translated from Norwegian) "I am a Boer" and Scrooge answers
> "I'm sure I've met worse".
>
Now if instead of Gloomheart, the speaker had just been Angus McSwine,
then Scrooge could have responded "And I'm a duck!"   :)

(Yes, this does bring to mind the enormously wealthy and famously named
Miss Ima Hogg of Houston, Texas, who was indeed very much a real-life
person.  Just goes to show that sometimes the real world is stranger
than the comics...)

Wilmer Rivers


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Tue Nov 23 09:56:58 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 09:56:58 +0100
Subject: Boer/bore-pun in Swedish
Message-ID: <01H5NG6QZKPWBTSMZR@castor.ldc.lu.se>

SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!

Someone asked how the boer/bore pun in Lo$, Southafrican sequence, was handled
in the Swedish translation; the answer is "pretty well"!

This posed a problem for the translator, of course (I remember Stefan Di|s
moaning about it at that time! although as usual he enjoyed the challenge), and
what Stefan eventually came up with was this:

FG: "Jag {r boer!" (I'm a Boer)
U$: /aloud/ "Jaha?" (Oh?) /aside/ "Vad sa han? Bov?" (What did he say? Crook?)

It's not as "natural" or easy-flowing pun as the original, I don't think; it
might even be said to be just a teensy bit strained - the words "boer" and
"bov" really don't pronounce THAT similar in Swedish - but all in all it's an
honest attempt to solve an unsolvable problem; and I dare anyone to come up
with something better... I for one sure can't!

END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! 

All my quackinest!!!

Mattias


From mayerson at sidefx.sidefx.com  Tue Nov 23 15:59:25 1993
From: mayerson at sidefx.sidefx.com (Mark Mayerson)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 09:59:25 -0500
Subject: MM laser disks
Message-ID: <9311231459.AA08342@sidefx.sidefx.com>


Can someone please tell me if the version of Steamboat Willie on the
new laser disc set is uncut?

I refer to a scene that follows Mickey Mouse pulling on the piglets'
tails.  What comes next, and is missing from many prints, is Mickey
lifting up the mother pig and playing "Turkey in the Straw" on her
teats.

I have seen a 35mm print of Steamboat Willie containing this scene
at the Museum of Modern Art in New York.

Thanks in advance for the information.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson				Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet:  mayerson at sidefx.com          Toronto, Ontario, Canada
					(416) 366-4607	  


From hellman at proxxi.uf.se  Tue Nov 23 21:48:20 1993
From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 21:48:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #164.
In-Reply-To: <931122141704_72260.2635_EHK42-1@CompuServe.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9311232138.C318-a100000@cyber.proxxi.uf.se>

On 22 Nov 1993, Don Rosa wrote:

/../

> Torsten:
> 	The identity of the "guy" in Lo$ part 3 is intended NOT to be
> known by any readers except the adults or otherwise bright ones. All the
> clues are there...that guy actually DID have a ranch in the western
> Dakota Territory in 1882 when $crooge was there, and he did all the
> other things I say he did.


Yes, I think I can identify him. But aren't you somewhat too nice to him? I had 
the feeling that he was a bully, scoundrel and shooted much too many buffaloes.


	Steamboat Willie

----------------------------------------------

... Does The Little Mermaid wear an algebra?

----------------------------------------------

Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0







From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Wed Nov 24 02:01:52 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:01:52 -0500
Subject: MM laser discs
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 24 Nov 93 01:19:15 +0100
Message-ID: <9311240101.AA08216@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks:


	Mark Mayerson asked,

	"Can someone please tell me if the version of Steamboat Willie
on the new laser disc set is uncut?  I refer to a scene that follows 
Mickey Mouse pulling on the piglets' tails.  What comes next, and is 
missing from many prints, is Mickey lifting up the mother pig and 
playing "Turkey in the Straw" on her teats."

	This scene was deleted when the film was re-released in 1953
(for MM's 25th birthday), and modern negatives to the film seem to
lack it.  (There is a slight "shimmer" right about where it was cut,
indicating that a negative somewhere along the line was spliced.)

	Thus, the laser disc sadly lacks the scene.  Of course, the
clutzes could have very easily inserted the scene from an old pre-1953
*print*, even if they don't have the *negative* to that version.  They
do have such a print -- the old Disney Channel show "Good Morning
Mickey" used a battered old print on orange film stock that included
the scene.

	However, the producers of "Good Morning Mickey" left out other
things.  You see, they took the print, made a video copy, then cut up
the video copy with computerized cutting-and-pasting.  (They felt that
they couldn't get four cartoons onto the show unless they condensed
them!) So the middle of the cartoon (Pete's tobacco gag, and the
animals first being seen on the Podunk landing) was chopped out there.

	Between the laser print and the old "Good Morning Mickey"
version, I can claim to have seen -- I believe -- the entire cartoon.

	But according to the "Willie" *storyboards* (also included on
the disk) there is *another* pig scene -- after the cow is hoisted on
board, the sow is, too, with piglets hanging on to her teats by their
teeth!  Since GMM cut the middle from the cartoon, I have no idea if
this scene actually made it to animation.  Is it in the MOMA print you
saw?  If not, we can assume that this one was never even animated.

	I have written to the folks in charge of "restoring" the MM
films for the laserdisc, explaining about the existence of the "lost"
teat-playing scene that you mentioned, and instructing them to insert
it for future pressings of the discs.  I should have a receptive
audience;  I didn't just send the letter into the wild blue yonder,
but found the right guy to send it to from Jerry Beck, a good friend
of mine (who is in charge of MGM/UA's "Golden Age of Looney Tunes"
disc sets, as well as being an advisor to the MM disc series).

	NOTE:  I may be wrong that the current negative to "Steamboat
Willie" lacks the teat-playing scene -- Disney Video may have ordered
it deleted.  But this doesn't seem likely because other, grosser gags
have been left IN every other cartoon on the discs.  Aside from
"Steamboat Willie" everything is uncut.  I believe that the omission
of this scene was a mistake, and that it will hopefully be rectified.

	Maybe you want to wait on buying the discs 'til I find out the
lowdown?  (Although that's a tough assignment... they're GREAT!)

	* * * * *

	I'm sorry that this letter has nothing to do with comics!  But
it was important for me to answer it.

	Sincerely,

	David Gerstein












From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Wed Nov 24 05:09:23 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 23 Nov 93 23:09:23 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #166.
Message-ID: <931124040923_72260.2635_EHK35-1@CompuServe.COM>

Bror:
	There, just as I said, Europeans have the wrong idea about the
"guy". He was one of the greatest American heroes, unfailingly honest
and was one of the originators, along with his close friend John Muir,
of the modern environmentalist and conservationist movement. Try reading
one of his many, many books on nature or politics or the spirit of
adventure and honesty.

Mattias: 
	As Stefan knows, I don't hesitate to stick in a good pun if I
think of it... but I might hesitate if I thought the translators felt
compelled to put their own pun or joke into the same spot, even if they
can't come up anything good. I mean, I can hardly judge whether Stefan's
Swedish pun is good or "strained", but why couldn't he just put some
unfunny dialogue in that spot rather than kill himself; he might just as
easilly sometime put a pun in somewhere where I DON'T have one. 
	But... I can hrdly accuse him of putting far more effort into a
job than the pay justifies! That's what I do every day!




From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no  Wed Nov 24 09:26:19 1993
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 09:26:19 +0100
Subject: Idetification in the Wild West
Message-ID: <"395 93/11/24 09:26*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>

Don and Bror!

Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not 
that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror 
may have the right opinion of the wrong guy. 

In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the person 
for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains, 
Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit 
mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands. 

I also think that most Europeans just know too little of the person in Lo$3, as he 
has been almost completely overshadowed by his later namesake.

Bj|rn Are (still very much into history).
Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no




From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no  Wed Nov 24 09:29:22 1993
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 09:29:22 +0100
Subject: Idenification in the Wild West
Message-ID: <"396 93/11/24 09:29*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>

Don and Bror!

Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not 
that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror 
may have the right opinion of the wrong guy. 

In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the person 
for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains, 
Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit 
mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands. 

I also think that most Europeans just know too little of the person in Lo$3, as he 
has been almost completely overshadowed by his later namesake.

Bj|rn Are (still very much into history).
Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no





From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Wed Nov 24 14:04:56 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 14:04:56 +0100
Subject: Varia
Message-ID: <01H5P3C4ILO4BW9LRN@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Don:

    I think that's a fair enough assumption on your part - that Stefan, at
least when something interests him, like your work does - puts more effort into
the job than his (nominal) pay demands; actually I think that sort of challenge
is a kinda pay in itself. It's obvious too (since the pun had disappeared in
the Norwegian translation) that not every translator feels, as you put it,
compelled to translate every last pun or joke in your scripts. And since
there's no way that you could possibly adapt your scripts to suit any
particular translator's needs, not to mention all of them, and since you
probably wouldn't care for that sort of thing any old way - where is the
problem? In my humble (but as usual loudmouthed) opinion you should go on doing
what your doing - i.e. being as funny & punny in your own language as you
yourself care to be; and I for one am just plain & dad-blasted HAPPY that you
care enough to put more sweat & toil into your work than you'll probably
ever'll get temporally rewarded for!!!

Bjorn-Are:

          (and a few others); there is a minor technicality I'd like to take up
with you. You are, I guess?, working on some kind of personal computer?
Macintosh or IBM/compatible? Because when I get your postings, who am working
at a VAX/VMS terminal, every line gets "broken off" within a few characters
of the end of that line. My screen can only show 80 characters width, so if you
could perhaps make your postings "narrower", they would be much easier to read. 

Just a thought...

Mattias


From bizar at pcuf.fi  Wed Nov 24 15:01:42 1993
From: bizar at pcuf.fi (Juuso Paaso)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:01:42 +0200
Subject: Disney-comics
Message-ID: <199311241401.QAA13210@pcuf.fi>

  Well, this is my first posting to the list. You know, things like this seem
very surreal, for you can like 'talk' to someone who you honor a sub-god
(like Don Rosa :) and so... Amazing. Much more from what I have used to.
Better get to the point.
 
  So, first of all, I would like to wonder, why on the list of Disney-comics
Don Rosa has drawn, in the Scandinavian paragraph there are no Finnish comics
If this is because of your lack of knowledge about Finnish publications, I
sure could help.
 
  And then, I would like to inquire from Don, if you have drawn any other 
comics than Disney-comics? It sure would be a pleasure to read those, too.
 
  But better stop now. Sorry, if my English is not very understandable, but
in this kind of fever I can't think up straight. Better lay down.
 
    Thank you in advance,
              Juuso Paaso


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Wed Nov 24 15:23:40 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 15:23:40 +0100
Subject: The Don Rosa index
In-Reply-To: Juuso Paaso's message of Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:01:42 +0200 <199311241401.QAA13210@pcuf.fi>
Message-ID: <9311241423.AA24326@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

New list member (welcome!) Juuso Paaso wrote:
>  So, first of all, I would like to wonder, why on the list of Disney-comics
> Don Rosa has drawn, in the Scandinavian paragraph there are no Finnish comics
> If this is because of your lack of knowledge about Finnish publications, I
> sure could help.

The reason there is no information on Finnish publications of Rosa's
comics is because noone has collected it for us, so you're very much
welcome to do that.  This one-column-for-every-country format isn't
very practical as the number of countries in the index increase, by
the way.  (Already the German data from David isn't in don-rosa, but
in its own file don-rosa.germany.)  Probably the only stuff in the
master index should be info on the comics themselves (their codes,
number of pages, various notes...) and their American publications,
and all "foreign" stuff should go somewhere else.  What do you think?
After all most Duck fans wouldn't care much about where a particular
story was published in Finland, Sweden, or Timbuktoo.

Juuso also asked if Don has done any other comics than Disney comics.
He has, but as I haven't been able to read any of them :-( I won't say
anything more about it, but will let someone else give a better
answer.  Even though it's not Disney comics, I think it would be
justified to have Don's non-Disney comics in our index as well.
Especially since Don has said (I remember this right, I hope?) that he
will remake every Captain Kentucky episode into a Duck episode
eventually.  Then it might be interesting to note those
correspondences.

But as everything else (like the recent discussions of FAQs etc.)
someone has to do it...  ("Not me!  I've got a belly-ache!")
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Wed Nov 24 15:46:05 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 15:46:05 +0100
Subject: Who are we?
In-Reply-To: Mark Semich's message of Sun, 21 Nov 93 15:35:09 -0500 <9311212035.AA24331@csa.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <9311241446.AA26388@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

Mark wrote:
> With all of the recent new members on the disney comics mailing list,
> I was wondering if we now had any people in the U.K. who might know ...

There have been a lot of new members recently.  You have only seen the
tip of the iceberg, that is those who send their subscription requests
to the list instead of to the disney-comics-request address where is
should go.  (Currently there are no UK subscribers at all, though.)
Among the new subscribers are a couple of pros of the field, btw:
David Cody Weiss & Bobbi JG Weiss.  Welcome to you, and to everyone
else new on the list!

Mattias asked:
> I'm a bit curious: Per, or someone, just how many of us are there now - and
> who are we, actually? Would it be possible to put together some sort of
> presentation digest, or something, with short introduc(k)tions from each and
> all of us? Where we live, what we do - anything we'd like to mention...

Of course it would.  Do you volunteer to maintain such a list of
introduc(k)tions?  As for how many we are, etc., we are about 90
people now!  Should I post some member statistics once in a while,
like the number of subscribers and how they are distributed
geographically once in a while (or even the whole list of
subscribers?), or is that too much off-topic for you all?
Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?
What do you think?
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Wed Nov 24 16:02:03 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:02:03 +0100
Subject: List of introduc(k)tions on the list?!
Message-ID: <01H5P7CZMK9GBW9LXH@castor.ldc.lu.se>

Would I be willing to do the actual (shudder!) WORK??? Yes! BUT!!! Please,
every-one, do NOT start sending me any curriculums or introduc(k)tions YET; but
give me a few days to work out the details, if any, with Per. So... I'm the
first of those of us who has suggested communal projects lately who actually
also volunteers to do the work...?! (add 50 words of bragging & self-praise
here).

What I think I'd like to do is collect REASONABLY SHORT personal presentations
from all of those on the list who want to be in such a digest and paste them
into such a digest, and then keep it reasonably updated and posted at suitably
regular/irregular intervals.

BUT don't send me ANYTHING YET!

I do however think it would be nice to know a little more about ones electronic
friends all over the world - after all, one of the major fringe-benefits in
this non-yuppish, un-fringe-beneficial fandom environment IS the amazing
collection of healthily insane and very nice people one gets to know!!! (Not to
mention the benefits of an international set of pads to crash when
traveling abroad.)

Anyway, Per - I think I'd like to discuss this with you in some further detail,
but for the other's sake we should perhaps keep that discussion of the list?
And we can, I assume, talk it over when me meet in Stockholm this week-end.

Mattias


From marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu  Wed Nov 24 16:28:24 1993
From: marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (M. Mitchell Marmel)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 10:28:24 -0500
Subject: Who are we?
Message-ID: <199311241528.KAA01788@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>

>geographically once in a while (or even the whole list of
>subscribers?), or is that too much off-topic for you all?

Nope.  I, for one, am interested...

>Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?
>What do you think?

As a longtime lurker, I'm all for it!  :)
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From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 24 18:25:36 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 18:25:36 +0100
Subject: Another "changed stories" list
Message-ID: <199311241725.AA09427@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Jon C. Lorentzen had another addition to the "changed stories" list:

> In the story where Donald becomes obsessed with fire, and runs around
> all over Duckburg makin fires (square fires, round fires etc. :)), I believe
> there was inserted a badly drawn panel in the end, where Donald wakes
> up in bed. Making the entire story a bad dream.

I think changes like this should go in another list, because they were made
BEFORE the story was published the first time. I made a list of changes like
this, long ago, and you can find it and the end of this mail. I just translated
it from Dutch into (bad) English.

The list is not quite complete: I didn't list small textual changes (e.g. in
Barks' Junior Woodchuck stories); I removed covers and non-Barks stories from
the list. 

Data is from Michael Barrier's "Carl Barks and the art of the comic book", and
from The Carl Barks Library (which I don't have: Daniel van Eijmeren gave me
the info).

Description of changes is very short. The list was meant for quick reference,
not as an extensive description list of all the changes.

See if you like it.

--Harry.

CHANGES IN BARKS COMIC STORIES BEFORE FIRST PUBLICATION
Changes are made either by the editor or by Barks himself. In the latter case,
the change is preceded by "Barks:".

[Stories:]
    WDC  42     (kite weather) layout 10 x 3 rows -> 7 x 4 rows.
    WDC  63     last panel: halos added (?)
    WDC 147     row 2, 3 and 4 of pg. 1 lowered.
    WDC 157     Barks: final 3 panels changed into dream ending.
    WDC 175     (taffy) Barks: changed after inking
    WDC 247     (the madcap mariner) 1 page deleted.
    WDC 249     (stranger than fiction) 1 page deleted.
    WDC 259     (jungle bungle) Barks: splash panel (and probably panel 2)
                changed.
    OS 108c     (the firebug) final two panels replaced by non-Barks.
    OS 203a     (the golden christmas tree) text changed on final page (panels
                2 - 5).
                Barks: some redrawn (half) pages between pg. 10 and 18.
    OS 238a     (voodoo hoodoo) Bombies eyelids added.
                + textual changes "dead" -> "done for"
    DD 26a      (trick or treat) 8 pages removed.
                Barks: splash panel (1/2 page) replaced by 1 1/2 new pages.
    DD 45       (dog catcher) 8 panels removed, row 3 and 4 on page 5 are
                in wrong order.
    DD 138      (a day in a duck's life) 14-pg script reduced to 13 pg.
    OS 456a     (back to the klondike) 5 pages removed.
    US  8a      (petrifying ray) Barks: story changed after inking parts.
    US 12a      (the golden fleecing) 1 panel removed on pg. 31; layout pg.
                31 and 32 messed up.
                Barks: 2 panels redrawn. Text changes: 'Harpies' -> 'Larkies'.
    US 13a      (land beneath the ground) Barks: shortened 32 -> 28 pg.
    US 22a      (the golden river) Barks: 1 1/8 pg. replaced.
    US 32a      (that's no fable) Barks: 2 panels replaced after inking.
    US 34a      (mythtic mystery) 2 pages cut.
    US 50a      (rug riders in the sky) 1 page cut.
    US 51a      (how green was my lettuce) 2 pages cut.
    US 63a      (house of haunts) title changed (was: "His shining hour").
    OS 495      (watertank money bin) Barks: story changed (shortened?)
    US 13g      (Gyro: lightning) Barks: HDL replaced by Morty and Ferdie.
    US 14g      (Guro) Barks: Donald replaced by Speedy.
    OS 1184     (Gyro) 3 pages cut, somewhere in 1 or more of the 4 stories.

[Script only:]
    JW  7       14-pg. script stretched to 17 pg.
    JW 14       script 12 pg. -> 13 pg.
    JW 17       script adjusted, Barks: last 1/2 pg. changed
    JW 19       script 16 pg. -> 17 pg.
    JW 22       script 16 pg. -> 15 pg.

[Gags:]
    DD 51       1-page gag reduced to 1/2 page. (?)



From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 24 18:37:56 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 18:37:56 +0100
Subject: Life of Scrooge part 3
Message-ID: <199311241737.AA09649@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Several people keep talking about

> that "guy" in Lo$ part 3

I'm beginning to feel very dumb... I have read part 3 several times and I
don't recognize the man (remember: part 3 was the _first_ LO$ story they
printed in Holland).

Can someone tell me (in private mail; NOT to the list) WHO this man is?

--Harry.


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Wed Nov 24 18:47:41 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 18:47:41 +0100
Subject: The Don Rosa index
Message-ID: <199311241747.AA09766@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Per Starback replied to Juuso Paaso:

> The reason there is no information on Finnish publications of Rosa's
> comics [in our 'don-rosa' index] is because noone has collected it
> for us, so you're very much
> welcome to do that.  This one-column-for-every-country format isn't
> very practical as the number of countries in the index increase, by
> the way.

I think the Dutch column could be replaced by Finnish or so. It's a bit
weird to remove Scandinavian issues from the list, since they can be
considered _original_ publications of Don's Egmont stories.

Dutch information would still be available in my "dutch/index" on ftp, or
we could make a separate "don-rosa.holland" file.

--Harry.


From hellman at proxxi.uf.se  Wed Nov 24 16:57:25 1993
From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 16:57:25 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Identification in the Wild West
In-Reply-To: <"395 93/11/24 09:26*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9311241622.B3098-b100000@cyber.proxxi.uf.se>

On Wed, 24 Nov 1993 bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no wrote:

> Don and Bror!

> Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not 
> that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror 
> may have the right opinion of the wrong guy. 

Nope, I don't think so.

> In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the
person 
> for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains, 
> Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit 
> mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands. 

Nope, I don't think William owed a ranch or hugged bears.

I was referring to this passage:

"In 1883 at the age of 24, *BEEP* stepped off a train in Little Missouri (later
called Medora) in the heart of Dakota. He'd come to join the hunt for the last
buffalo. He wet back East soon after his huting trip was over."

On the other hand I like THIS passage better:

"He also wore glasses ad was called "Four Eyes" by other Westerners until, with
a single punch, he knocked out an obnoxious, gun-toting drunkard who made the
mistake of stepping within reach of *BEEP*'s right."

Died in 1919 if I dont remember completely wrong.

	Steamboat Willie



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From d91fe at lysithea.pt.hk-r.se  Wed Nov 24 20:17:13 1993
From: d91fe at lysithea.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:17:13 +0100
Subject: Who are we?
Message-ID: <9311241917.AA06598@lysithea.pt.hk-r.se>

Per wrote:
> Among the new subscribers are a couple of pros of the field, btw:
> David Cody Weiss & Bobbi JG Weiss.

Ehm... I don't want to seem ignorant or anything, but... who are these
people? The names do sound familiar...

> Should I post some member statistics once in a while,
> like the number of subscribers and how they are distributed
> geographically once in a while 

YES!

> (or even the whole list of
> subscribers?)

Well, in that case, you should first offer each member the opportunity
to remain anonymous. After all, we don't want to intrude on anyone's
privacy, do we?

> Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?

Yes and no. It is kind of interesting to know who everyone is, but I
don't care much for the silent mass of lurkers. On the other hand, they
probably wouldn't write any introductions anyway.

  /F


From mas at cs.bu.edu  Thu Nov 25 04:39:03 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 22:39:03 -0500
Subject: Perils of Mickey!
Message-ID: <9311250339.AA10372@csa.bu.edu>

Per wrote:
> Among the new subscribers are a couple of pros of the field, btw:
> David Cody Weiss & Bobbi JG Weiss.

Welcome!  If I may be so bold, I'd like to ask them about the "Perils
of Mickey":

I don't usually read the _Disney_Adventures_ magazine, but David Cody
Weiss and Stephen DeStefano's "Return to Blaggard Castle" was
mentioned in one of Gladstone's recent _Donald_and_Mickey_ letters
columns, so I purchased the relevant back issues in order to read the
story.

I must say that I enjoyed it immensely!  I found it to be very well
written; beautifully drawn; and extremely faithful to Floyd
Gottfredon's pie-eyed, adventuresome, and scrappy Mickey.

Whose idea was it to make a "Perils of Mickey" story?  What has the
reaction to it been?

I'd love to see more such stories!  Do you and/or Stephen DeStefano have
plans to do any further adventures?

And is there *any* chance of seeing this kind of Mickey stuff in the
Gladstone books?

===========================================================================
     "I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck.  There can be only one!"
--   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   --
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From mas at cs.bu.edu  Thu Nov 25 05:49:27 1993
From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 23:49:27 -0500
Subject: Reply to Harry's comments (Was: I'm back...)
In-Reply-To: <199311031651.AA04648@athena.research.ptt.nl> (message from Harry Fluks on Wed, 03 Nov 1993 17:51:05 +0100)
Message-ID: <9311250449.AA11156@csa.bu.edu>

A while back Harry Fluks <H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl> wrote:
>I bought some USA comics in various Texas cities. I even couldn't resist
>buying some comics solely because of their Rosa covers. And I bought Uncle
>Scrooge #116, which reprints the only non-Barks story Rosa based a Life
>of Scrooge fact on: the 'shoe shining' story from U$ 50 by Tony Strobl.

A few people have mentioned that Tony Strobl came up with the idea of
Scrooge being a shoe-shine boy in his youth, but I seem to remember a
Barks story where we see Scrooge as a youthful shoe-shine boy.  I
believe that this was "The Invisible Intruder", so I don't know just
how much authority it has :-)  Or is it something else that Tony
Strobl came up with that is in this story?  Or did the Strobl story
come before the Barks one?

The subject that wouldn't die:
==============================
>An article in The Duckburg Times #21 about slang
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Mark, give us some of that, at least the part where BopBop is explained!

Well, the article itself is rather long (and I would certainly
recommend it to anyone even *remotely* interested in the ducks'
dialogue - back issues of the "Duckburg Times" are available from Dana
Gabbard) but the "Bop, bop" line was quoted as one of the examples of
Donald referring to jazz musicians *not* by name but by turning their
jazzy sounds into nicknames. (Like addressing a bee as "buzz
bomber" or a plumber as "wrench wrangler", Donald referred to the
musician by quoting his "bop, bop" beats.)

In short, "Bop, bop" is not a name, but just one of Donald's many
off-the-cuff, wise-guy methods of greeting.

Unfortunately, I haven't actually *seen* the "Bop, bop" story so I
can't judge whether I agree or not, but the article made a pretty
convincing case for this approach.


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Thu Nov 25 07:11:05 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 25 Nov 93 01:11:05 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #167.
Message-ID: <931125061104_72260.2635_EHK30-1@CompuServe.COM>

To Bror Hellman:
	Since I am a great admirer of "the guy", I should point out the
evidence in your OWN posting, that when he "stepped off the train" on
his first trip West when he was ONLY 24 he (like everyone else in those
days) wanted to join the hunt for buffalo. This was his first trip to
the land that he loved SO MUCH that he nearly gave up his rich-kid life
to devote himself to as a cattle rancher. He never realized that these
buffalo critters were near extinction, nor would anyone in those days
have thought to worry about such things. (Besides, he only shot ONE.)
It says a great deal more for him than for some modern conservationist
that HE realized the importance of preserving the wilds WITHOUT having
environmentalists pounding it over his head. For pete's sake, later in
life he just about created the whole conservation movement to protect
virgin land and wildlife from being wiped out. Of ALL the people of
history to pick on for shooting one buffalo, this guy is a truly absurd
choice! I NEVER worried about anyone thinking THIS way about him -- my
worry was that Europeans would think of him as a wild imperialist, which
he...well... sorta WAS a little bit around the armpits. But that's only
when you judge him in our 1993 eyes -- in those days he was just the
sorta guy that the world needed.
	Oh, heck, Harry! If the only people who haven't read this Lo$
story are Americans, then there's no reason to keep "the guy"'s identity
a secret. Any American reading this conversation who didn't know who we
were referring to would hafta be a dolt. It's Theodore Roosevelt!

Per:
	Nay, nay... I never said I'd turn all my "Captain Kentucky"
stories into Duck adventures. I said I'd turn all my "Pertwillaby
Papers" adventures into Duck adventures.

Juuso Paaso:
	The sub-god says "hiya".



From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no  Thu Nov 25 10:13:23 1993
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 10:13:23 +0100
Subject: Wild West and other things
Message-ID: <"424 93/11/25 10:13*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>

Bror!

Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding regarding
your identitification of that now much mentioned 
mysterious (or not so much after all this discussion?)
character in Lo$3! 
I thought your mentioning of buffaloes was something
you found typical of that "guy" (and therefore that you 
had got the identity wrong). I see now you were right, 
even if the buffalo extermination may have been a bit 
more incidential than typical for this person (he was 
quite young at the time).  

I guess the nice thing about such discussions is that
they may confirm Don's opinion on Europeans not being
so ignorant on details in American history.

By the way: One of the really great thinks about Don's 
stories (and that other guy's, called  Barks or something)
is that they stimulate thoughts and discussions on 
details, sources, plots, persons and world views (like
that praiseworthy scene on the last page og Lo$9!).
In fact, it's almost  like REAL literature... 

Bj|rn Are

P.S. Are the length of my lines better now?

(Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no)






From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no  Thu Nov 25 10:13:23 1993
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 10:13:23 +0100
Subject: Wild West and other things
Message-ID: <"424 93/11/25 10:13*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>

Bror!

Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding regarding
your identitification of that now much mentioned 
mysterious (or not so much after all this discussion?)
character in Lo$3! 
I thought your mentioning of buffaloes was something
you found typical of that "guy" (and therefore that you 
had got the identity wrong). I see now you were right, 
even if the buffalo extermination may have been a bit 
more incidential than typical for this person (he was 
quite young at the time).  

I guess the nice thing about such discussions is that
they may confirm Don's opinion on Europeans not being
so ignorant on details in American history.

By the way: One of the really great thinks about Don's 
stories (and that other guy's, called  Barks or something)
is that they stimulate thoughts and discussions on 
details, sources, plots, persons and world views (like
that praiseworthy scene on the last page og Lo$9!).
In fact, it's almost  like REAL literature... 

Bj|rn Are

P.S. Are the length of my lines better now?

(Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no)






From d91fe at apatosaurus.pt.hk-r.se  Thu Nov 25 11:21:07 1993
From: d91fe at apatosaurus.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 93 11:21:07 +0100
Subject: Wild West and other things
Message-ID: <9311251021.AA16703@apatosaurus.pt.hk-r.se>

Bjorn-Are Davidsen wrote:
>By the way: One of the really great thinks about Don's 
>stories (and that other guy's, called  Barks or something)
>is that they stimulate thoughts and discussions on 
>details, sources, plots, persons and world views (like
>that praiseworthy scene on the last page og Lo$9!).
>In fact, it's almost  like REAL literature... 

So, what's so unreal about comics? Why _shouldn't_ comics
be this way? After all, the only major difference between
comics and other litterature is that comics have pictures.
This shouldn't stop writers from making interesting/funny/
exciting/philosophical/litterary (pick any one or substitute
for your favourite) stories. Or..?

  /F



From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no  Thu Nov 25 13:01:22 1993
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 13:01:22 +0100
Subject: Other things
Message-ID: <"430 93/11/25 13:01*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>

Fredrik Ekmann wrote:

>Bjorn-Are Davidsen wrote:
>>By the way: One of the really great thinks about Don's 
>>stories (and that other guy's, called  Barks or something)
>>is that they stimulate thoughts and discussions on 
>>details, sources, plots, persons and world views (like
>>that praiseworthy scene on the last page og Lo$9!).
>>In fact, it's almost  like REAL literature... 

>So, what's so unreal about comics? Why _shouldn't_ comics
>be this way? After all, the only major difference between
>comics and other litterature is that comics have pictures.
>This shouldn't stop writers from making interesting/funny/
>exciting/philosophical/litterary (pick any one or substitute
>for your favourite) stories. Or..?

No indeed, why not?

As a lover of all kinds of good literature (including comics)
I fully, totally, completely and absolutely agree, yes sir!!!

Bj|rn Are




From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se  Thu Nov 25 13:47:46 1993
From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 13:47:46 +0100
Subject: REAL literature...!?!
Message-ID: <01H5QGX1DRCKBW9MXO@castor.ldc.lu.se>

About what Bjorn-Are and Fredrik wrote on the subject of comics/literature
comparisons - yeah! I most certainly agree with Fredrik!

This is, to my mind, one of the basic misconceptions when dealing with comics:
to compare them to literature, or to any other medium for that part. Comics, or
rather, to use Will Eisner's terminology, sequential art, is an artform as
separate from literature as is film or pictorial art. There are of course
similarities as well, in that any medium can be used for practically any
content, and that the same thing might be equally eloquently said in any
medium, at least in theory.

In practice, sequential art (I'll fortwith call it "comics" for short) has only
been exploited as an artistic medium to a fraction of it's capacities, because
of various social and/or cultural phenomenae and stigmae that has been attached
to it, and of course this gives us all the more reason to be grateful that
people like Don Rosa and Los Bros. Hernandez and Neil Gaiman and many more are
chosing comics as their medium par preferance, as their artistic outlet.

But I also think that we, who see and appreciate this, should consciously
refrain from reverting to riding the hobby-horse of the 1960's and 70's fandom,
the one that goes "oh, if we only could get comics accepted as REAL literature"
because comics ain't that, nor will they ever be!

Also, Bjorn-Are: Yes, your lines are beautiful now - thank you very much! It
makes your postings much easier to read, and even if I disagree with what you
seemed to say about comics and literature, your points of view are always very
interesting, so...

Quack, quack, goes

Mattias


From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Thu Nov 25 17:32:16 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:32:16 +0100
Subject: Who are we?
Message-ID: <199311251632.AA11792@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Per> Should I post some member statistics once in a while,
Per> like the number of subscribers and how they are distributed
Per> geographically once in a while 

Fredrik> YES!

I agree.

Per> (or even the whole list of subscribers?)

I think that would make a very long and mostly boring message... But maybe you
can send it when the *100th* member arrives? BTW: Will we have a party
celebrating that?
 
Fredrik> Well, in that case, you should first offer each member the opportunity
Fredrik> to remain anonymous. After all, we don't want to intrude on anyone's
Fredrik> privacy, do we?

I don't think we should bother about privacy here. At least one member of
the list knows all the addresses, and I understood any other member
can get that list by "telnetting", though I wouldn't know how to do that...

--Harry.


From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no  Thu Nov 25 18:10:18 1993
From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 18:10:18 +0100
Subject: Real literature!!!
Message-ID: <"441 93/11/25 18:10*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS>

Mattias (and everyone)!

I seem to have a problem here. I tried to be a bit amusing/subtle
 and talk as if comics should not be considered as "real literature",
when I VERY MUCH mean that it should. This seems to have been
 somewhat misunderstood. 

I therefore want to make make clear that comics, sequensial art, 
bandes dessinee (or how it is written in French), graphical stories
and so on are to be concideres, evaluated and read as REAL
LITERATURE. I read every comic book and graphical novel by Alan
Moore, Neil Gaiman, Milton Caniff, Hugo Pratt, Moebius and all the
other great ARTIST. 

In fact, together with a certain other Norwegian member of the
Digest (well known for his views on sex in Barks), I founded a
literary magazine way back in 1980 dedicated to showing that
comics, rock music, western stories, Science Fiction, Fantasy
and so on should be read (or listened to) both for the pure joy/fun
of it and taken seriously as art forms (based on different techniques, 
expressions, criteria for evaluation a.s.o). 

We wrote with equal vigour on Donald and Dostojevski, on rock
 music (e.g. ELP, Gentle Giant etc) and religious hymns.

So a final warning: I may also in the future attempt to use a 
kind of (more or less) subtle irony in my writing. Please do not always 
take me on "face value" (if that is the expression). I contain multitudes.

Bj|rn Are


From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE  Fri Nov 26 05:01:23 1993
From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 05:01:23 +0100
Subject: Who are we?
In-Reply-To: Harry Fluks's message of Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:32:16 +0100 <199311251632.AA11792@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <9311260401.AA26162@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>

me> Should I post some member statistics once in a while,
me> like the number of subscribers and how they are distributed
me> geographically once in a while 
Fredrik> YES!
Harry> I agree.

me> (or even the whole list of subscribers?)
Harry> I think that would make a very long and mostly boring
Harry> message... But maybe you can send it when the *100th* member
Harry> arrives? BTW: Will we have a party celebrating that?

That may happen many times, as the membership sort of fluctuates.  (So
we can have lots of parties!)

Anyway, here is finally the list membership summary:

Currently the list has 88 subscribers, with the following domain
distribution: (I list all top domains, and all subdomains with more
than one member.)

edu = USA, educational	24 (Boston University 2, jhuapl 2)
com = USA, commercial	14 (GE 3, AOL 2, Compuserve 2, Ingr 2)
gov = USA, government	 3
mil = USA, military	 1
---------------------------
USA, total:		42

ca = Canada		 2
br = Brazil		 1
cl = Chile		 1

se = Sweden		17 (UU 5, Ericsson 3, LiU 2)
no = Norway		 8 (UiO 2, UniT 2)
nl = Netherlands	 4
fi = Finland		 3 (UTa 2)
de = Germany		 2
dk = Denmark		 2
it = Italy		 2
be = Belgium		 1
es = Spain		 1
---------------------------
Europe, total:		40

org = organizations	 2

One of the Norwegian subscribers is an automatic address that puts the
messages in a local "Usenet Newsgroup" where several people can read it.
I have no idea how many readers that group have.

67 of the list members get the messages one and one, and 21 read the
digests instead.

When I said there are no UK subscribers, Mark wrote:
Mark> [...] but the one that you quoted me from was me replying to
Mark> someone with a UK email address who had sent out a unix question
Mark> to the disney-comics mailing list!  So I assumed that he was a
Mark> subscriber to it as well...

Oops!  That's one of the former subscribers I've deleted because mail
to him just bounced all the time.  I try to get back to such addresses
after some time to see if their addresses seem to work again, but
lately I guess I haven't done such a good job about that.  I guess
it's time to go through all those lost addresses again.

Apropos "who are we".  What happened to you anthropology work on
Disney comics fans, David?
--       "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden.  email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Fri Nov 26 06:29:34 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 26 Nov 93 00:29:34 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #168.
Message-ID: <931126052933_72260.2635_EHK29-1@CompuServe.COM>

Mark:
	Who came up with the idea that $crooge was once a shoeshine boy
in his youth? In UNCLE $CROOGE #44 was "The Invisible Intruder", a very
silly story illustrated by Barks but NOT WRITTEN by Barks, where it is
mentioned that $crooge was once a shoeshine boy. Then, in #50 was "That
Healthy, Wealthy Feeling", drawn by Strobl and written by who-knows,
where it is said that $crooge earned his first dime as a shoeshine lad.
Neither of these stories seemed to be aware that $crooge was born in
Scotland, and even though I adopted the very logical notion that
$crooge started out shining shoes, it remained for me to figure out WHY
his first coin, earned in Glasgow, is an American dime. I ignored every
other aspect of these tales (particularly all that nonsense about BEDS
in the first'n). I did not entirely figure out where the American dime
came from in the Lo$, but did so more fully in "Of Ducks and Dimes and
Destinies", a story I did 2 1/2 years ago but, because its subject
matter is so close to that in Lo$, it is still being kept on stand-by
until some later date. 

	(Sigh) Go ahead with this discussion about "Comics are
literature! Comics are literature!", but I'll just watch. Frankly, I'm
puzzled why people are so concerned what sort of label we put on
funnybooks. Are they art? Are they literature? Neither? Both? So what?
What does it prove? What you wanna call them will never make them more
or less than what they are, which is simple escapist entertainment. If
the general public or scholars look down on comics, that's their
problem -- why should I care, as long as I'm not prevented from
enjoying them. The fact is, in America, comics are so SOLIDLY
considered to be juvenile junk that the notion will never be changed,
and considering modern American comics, it's a pretty darned accurate
idea. The only publicity and notice the average American sees about
comics nowadays is as "collector's items" that they can buy and sell at
a profit, and THAT is what modern Americans consider to be High Art. 
	But whatever you say about other people's work, MY stuff is
simply entertainment. Thanks so much for telling me otherwise, but my
comics are just funnybooks. 

Per:
	This business about "who are we"... I would VERY MUCH like to
have access to a list of the readers of these digests! I now see that
there are folks of the Disney corporation "lurking" here (as the saying
goes). If I am to continue to be willing to speak my mind freely, I'd
like to be able to know who I'm speaking to. Actually, I have NEVER
spoken my mind freely here, sorry to say, as I am always aware that
there are SO many things that I should not discuss or disclose, and I
always handle myself accordingly. Disney (as a corporation, not
referring to the folks who have joined us here) gives one just cause to
be cynical and paranoid, as much as I wish it were otherwise, and we
bugs can be squashed very easilly.



From bizar at pcuf.fi  Fri Nov 26 09:48:08 1993
From: bizar at pcuf.fi (Juuso Paaso)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 10:48:08 +0200
Subject: The Don Rosa Index
Message-ID: <199311260848.KAA15643@pcuf.fi>

  Per:
 
    Allright, now I have the list of Finnish Don Rosa-publications available,
so in a while I will edit the Don Rosa-list a bit and send it here. Probably
today, if my fever doesn't take again a high step up.
 
  Don:
 
  Hi to you too :) BTW, I checked the list and noticed, that none of the Lo$-
stories were published in USA, is there misinformation on the list or is 
there going to be somekind of Lo$-collection?
 
    Thank you in advance,
              Juuso Paaso


From d91fe at krokis.pt.hk-r.se  Fri Nov 26 11:55:26 1993
From: d91fe at krokis.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 11:55:26 +0100
Subject: "Comics are litterature!"
Message-ID: <9311261055.AA14303@krokis.pt.hk-r.se>

As much as I enjoy this kind of discussion, I wouldn't like to see it
go on eternally, so this will probably be my final word on the matter.

And whatever anyone may have read out of my previous message, I don't
think that comics should be regarded as litterature. I DO think,
however that comics should not be judged in any different way than
other kinds of art/litterature.

Let me explain: Noone ever tried to compare the finer points of "War
and Peace" to those of "Lost in the Andes". That wouldn't be relevant,
nor would the opposite. But it is relevant to compare "War and Peace"
with other works of litterature of its time. And just as relevant to
compare "Lost in the Andes" to other comics of that time.

Don, of course, has a very relevant point in saying that comics should
just be read for pure enjoyment. That goes for his comics as well as
ANY good comics. But, again, why should that be different from any
kind of written litterature? Why would it be impossible to enjoy
Dostoyevsky or Kafka? After all, there is a reason that their works
have survived as classics. And that reason is NOT that they have been
analyzed into the bare bone by scholars.

OK, so comics are "escapist entertainment". To a certain level, I
agree! But to the same level, I consider Dostoyevsky to be escapist
entertainment. And there's nothing wrong with that.

  /F



From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Fri Nov 26 12:29:11 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 12:29:11 +0100
Subject: The publications of Don Rosa's Life Of Scrooge
Message-ID: <199311261129.AA02198@athena.research.ptt.nl>

Juuso (welcome):
> BTW, I checked the list and noticed, that none of the Lo$-
> stories were published in USA, is there misinformation on the list or is 
> there going to be somekind of Lo$-collection?

This matter has been discussed a lot here, of course. I think I'll take this
opportunity to give a short summary:

The Life of Scrooge consists of 12 stories. Don finished #12 a few weeks ago.
Publications and publication plans:

- Scandinavia: LO$ 9 has been published recently. Other stories will follow
  in the regular comics.
  (And with Scandinavia I mean Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland.)

- USA: LO$ 1 will be published in an Uncle Scrooge comic
  to be issued in January, 1994. Other stories will follow in each issue
  of Uncle Scrooge, which means it will take 2 looong years before every
  story is published. After that, the whole works may be reprinted in
  one or two special albums, with annotations and backgrounds.

- Holland: LO$ 3 and 1 have been published in Donald Duck Extra, the other
  parts will follow (hopefully in the right order 8-)

- Italy: no Rosa story has been published in Italy (yet?)

- Germany: the LO$ will be published in an album series, with new covers
  specially drawn by Don. First album to appear in January, 1994??

We have no knowledge of publications in other countries.

--Harry.


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Fri Nov 26 16:02:09 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 09:02:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: The publications of Don Rosa's Life Of Scrooge
In-Reply-To: <199311261129.AA02198@athena.research.ptt.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311260907.E3097-b100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Harry Fluks wrote:
> Juuso (welcome):
> > BTW, I checked the list and noticed, that none of the Lo$-
> > stories were published in USA, is there misinformation on the list or is 
> > there going to be somekind of Lo$-collection?
> This matter has been discussed a lot here, of course. I think I'll take this
> opportunity to give a short summary:
> The Life of Scrooge consists of 12 stories. Don finished #12 a few weeks ago.
> Publications and publication plans:

[...]
> - Germany: the LO$ will be published in an album series, with new covers
>   specially drawn by Don. First album to appear in January, 1994??

I have read LO$ #3 in Mickey Maus Magazine.  I assume that other parts
will be published there as well?  (Mickey Maus Magazine is a weekly
anthology title, similar to WDC&S.  It usually contains four stories, with
puzzle pages, contests, trading cards, and all sorts of cool, fun stuff.) 
It is published by Ehapa Verlag in Germany, and Egmont in Austria and
Switzerland.  

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From bizar at pcuf.fi  Fri Nov 26 22:19:55 1993
From: bizar at pcuf.fi (Juuso Paaso)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 23:19:55 +0200
Subject: Life of $crooge
Message-ID: <199311262119.XAA22963@pcuf.fi>

  Harry:
 
    Thanks for the information, it helped a lot. And it made me a new problem
  :) I have to consider if I buy all those publications (English I mean) Lo$-
  stories have been in, or if I'll buy the beautiful albums where everything
  will be together. It costs quite a bit to buy both... But maybe I'll do 
  that. Oh, I have hard times being a Rosa-fan :) 
 
  By the way, I would like to state a very annoying fact, that for some 
reason first two Lo$-stories (and maybe even some others) were not published.
I have understood that this same shameful thing has been done in other 
Scandinavian countries, for we should have the same comics with different 
language. Oh, I can't understand what was in the mind of those Danish bosses
when they made this decision. Well, original Americans are better anyway ;)
 
    Yours,
     Juuso


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Mon Nov 29 03:41:14 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 93 21:41:14 -0500
Subject: Life of $crooge information
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 27 Nov 93 01:18:42 +0100
Message-ID: <9311290241.AA20471@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	I noticed that no number was given for the Life of $crooge's
starting issue in the United States.  This is US 285 (and US 284 is
coming out this week, so we have two months to go).

	That's (amazingly) all for now.

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein




From NE02 at IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE  Mon Nov 29 13:41:00 1993
From: NE02 at IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE (NE02@IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:41
Subject: Life of $crooge in Germany
Message-ID: <"93-11-29-13:41:31.49*NE02">

Hi all,
 I am one of the two German listeners of this list.
 I have an information about Lo$:
 Part 1 & 2 appeared in 'Mickey Maus' 34/93 and 36/93.
 For informations about ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ refer to the last
 mail of Torsten Adair.

Boris Wagner, Karlsruhe.



From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Mon Nov 29 14:21:59 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 29 Nov 93 08:21:59 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #169.
Message-ID: <931129132159_72260.2635_EHK41-2@CompuServe.COM>

Juuso:
	The first two chapters of Lo$ were not published in Finland or
Sweden because those countries' weekly Donald Duck editions do not
feature supplement issues. If you weren't aware of it, in Norway and
Denmark and (?) the weekly comics come inside a plastic bag including an
extra issue about once a month -- I don't think the issue is quite a
free extra... I believe the price on the regular issue is a bit more
that week. When they launched Lo$, the main office decided to try to
give it some sorta special send-off in one of these supplement issues --
however, they had never told me of such plans, and I'd made chapter one
a mere 15 pages. Therefore the main office sent the first TWO chapters
out together to be formed into a 48 page supplement issue. Now, the
countries that didn't HAVE these extra issues couldn't use that 48 page
batch of Lo$ -- but why didn't they use the 15 page chapter 1 by itself?
And then break chapter 2 into two parts as they did in Germany (where
they also don't have supplement issues). I can't think of any reason
other than some Egmont branches just don't put much thought into such
matters? They'd just as soon go on their merry way with the regular Duck
stories that they receive and not have to worry about any "special
series" nonsense which probably takes lots of trouble to deal with and
doesn't improve the always-excellent sales anyhow. When they received a
part 3 and realized this would be an ongoing series, why didn't they
fall back and try to use parts 1 & 2 rather than print a part 3 alone
which would be very puzzling to readers? There's no kind answer for that
one! Germany seemed to react properly -- when they couldn't use the
first two parts, then found that more chapters were coming, they stopped
for awhile to figure out the best way to proceed, then began using the
series as I mentioned. (Which answers a matter that Per, I think it
was, seemed unaware of in his discussion of the uses of Lo$ -- it HAS
all been printed in the German weekly, at least fully up to a point).
Anyway, I'm explaining the possible reasons why the local editors were
forced to make a decision, though I'm really unable to explain why they
made the odd decisions they did.
	But DON'T blame the DANISH editors! THEY only commission the
work and supply it to the various publishing branches, one of which is
also in Denmark but not the same as the people I work for. It's those
local editors that decide what each country sees in its local Disney
comics. (Is any of that clear?!)




From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Mon Nov 29 23:34:40 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 17:34:40 -0500
Subject: "Bugged by Humbuggery"
Message-ID: <9311292234.AA06400@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	I've just gotten two copies of WDC&S 589, the first published
of my foreign dialog jobs for Gladstone.  I'd like to hear your
criticism and comments, but first a few minor statements of my own:

	Pages 1 and 7 have slightly stiff writing.  I should have
changed it before they went to press, but I dumbly failed to.  Oh,
well...

	Many of the ducks' lines end in periods in the published
version.  As I originally wrote the script, these were all exclamation
points, but obviously the vertical lines on some weren't very clear.
Gotta tell John that I always end sentences with exclamation points...

	The brilliant Danish pun on page 3 (I won't spoil it) was John
Clark's idea, not my own.  In fact, I had no idea he was going to do
it until I saw it here.  It's *swell!!*  I wish *I'd* thought of it.

	John also changed some lice on the last page to fleas.  Maybe
this was Disney's request?  Anyway, I *do* know that apes eat lice,
not fleas... and the story originally read that way.

	'Nuff said.  I hope you enjoy the story, folks, and don't
hesitate to send me scalding flames since I want to improve, but
plenty!

	Your friend,

	David Gerstein

	P. S.  The stories I announced of mine which were scheduled
for US 285 and WDC&S 591 have been pushed back, since the proofs
*still* haven't come in from Egmont and Oberon.  Phooey!  At least
there's still DDA 25 in the foreseeable future... but by the time it's
published, I'm sure I'll have found dozens of things in *there* I
could have improved, too.  Ah, me...


From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu  Tue Nov 30 01:53:41 1993
From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:53:41 -0500
Subject: German supplements
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 30 Nov 93 01:18:41 +0100
Message-ID: <9311300053.AA13657@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>


	Dear Folks,

	Don Rosa, discussing Disney comics in Germany, stated that
there, like Finland and Sweden, their weekly comic "also do[es]n't have 
supplement issues."

	Actually, Ehapa *does* put out supplements, but they simply do
it about half as often as other Egmont affiliates (about once every
two months, rather than once a month).

	There have been such specials as:

	"Micky Maus Super-Sommer-Sonderheft" (including the Barks MM
story "Riddle of the Red Hat" and some Danish Ducks);
	"DuckTales" (actually a collection of Barks Scrooge shorts,
despite its title);
	"Bundesliga-Stars 1992" (I kid you not, a full 32 pages of
photographs of soccer stars);
	"Zurueck nach dem Steinzeit" (one of the three 44-page Egmont
time travel stories, by Vicar, published alone... I don't think the
other two have ever seen print there.  This one wasn't printed with
the new Dutch opening and closing, though... just as it was originally
made, even though it felt incomplete);
	and undoubtedly the best:
	"Micky Maus und der Geist der Gorillas" (or: In Search of
Jungle Treasure, a Gottfredson story banned over here, presented
COMPLETE in the issue, in its original strip form (the book reads
oblong), together with a long article about Gottfredson).  Talk about
a special...  and all this for a mere 75 cents more than the regular
edition!)

	So you see, there are special supplements in Germany.  So why
did the Germans not make the Lo$ into the supplement that Egmont
offered them?  Simple... they were planning to wait to print ANY Lo$
until they could launch it as an album series.  It was not originally
to appear in the weekly comic.  But eventually they decided it was
better to run it in the weekly first... why not make *MORE* money,
especially when in Deutschland people will buy ANYTHING with a Duck or
Mouse on it?

	(BTW:  Mickey has equal popularity to Donald in Germany... the
German weekly has battled the problem of too few Egmont MM stories by
re-reprinting many Paul Murry stories, and often the Germans won't
print the cover Egmont offers them in favor of doing their own MM
cover for the weekly... a good idea, but usually terribly drawn!  In
Germany two of the three regular comics have Mickey's name in the
title, and as of this decade have given MM equal exposure on the
cover.)

	Zassall for now...

	Your pal,

	David Gerstein

	"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
	<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>


From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu  Tue Nov 30 02:13:35 1993
From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 19:13:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: German supplements
In-Reply-To: <9311300053.AA13657@bigbird.cc.williams.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9311291934.D22715-c100000@cwis.unomaha.edu>

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, David A Gerstein wrote:
> 	Dear Folks,
> 	Don Rosa, discussing Disney comics in Germany, stated that
> there, like Finland and Sweden, their weekly comic "also do[es]n't have 
> supplement issues."
> 	Actually, Ehapa *does* put out supplements, but they simply do
> it about half as often as other Egmont affiliates (about once every
> two months, rather than once a month).
> 	There have been such specials as:

[...]
 
> 	"Bundesliga-Stars 1992" (I kid you not, a full 32 pages of
> photographs of soccer stars);

Hey, if Gladstone (actually, it's some other name, starts with an "H") can
publish "Charles Barkley and the Referee Murders", then why not a book of
Bundesliga stars?  I'm surprised someone hasn't done the same here with
the NFL, NBA, NHL, NBL, ETC.

> 	So you see, there are special supplements in Germany.  So why
> did the Germans not make the Lo$ into the supplement that Egmont
> offered them?  Simple... they were planning to wait to print ANY Lo$
> until they could launch it as an album series.  It was not originally
> to appear in the weekly comic.  But eventually they decided it was
> better to run it in the weekly first... why not make *MORE* money,
> especially when in Deutschland people will buy ANYTHING with a Duck or
> Mouse on it?

Or a Rabbit, or a bug.  putt-putt-putt...
 
> 	(BTW:  Mickey has equal popularity to Donald in Germany... the
> German weekly has battled the problem of too few Egmont MM stories by
> re-reprinting many Paul Murry stories, and often the Germans won't
> print the cover Egmont offers them in favor of doing their own MM
> cover for the weekly... a good idea, but usually terribly drawn!  In
> Germany two of the three regular comics have Mickey's name in the
> title, and as of this decade have given MM equal exposure on the
> cover.)

I've noticed the awful MM artwork inside.  The covers, however, have been
very professional and "on model".  I thought the Donald Duck cover with
the baby dinosaur was cute.  (sorry Don, I'll won't use that word again.)

So, what did the German readers think of the undersea voyage of Donald Duck?
I liked the story, but isn't it Standard Operating Procedure for Donald to
loose in the end?  Or is it acceptable for Donald to win by sheer dumb
luck?  I thought that was Goofy's domain.  I would have expanded the story
by having whats-her-name sweet-talk Donald into doing dangerous things,
like going into a shark cage and filming sharks underwater.  

Torsten Adair	torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu	Omaha, NE, USA



From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM  Tue Nov 30 06:48:01 1993
From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa)
Date: 30 Nov 93 00:48:01 EST
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #170.
Message-ID: <931130054800_72260.2635_EHK57-1@CompuServe.COM>

David:

	Are you telling me that it is permitted to use PERIODS in a
Disney comic??? When did that start? Lordy, two panels never go by that
I wish I was allowed to use a period instead of an exclamation! But
all-exclamations are the tradition.

	And please take it easy on this "count down" to U$ #285! The
first chapter of Lo$ is only 15 pages and it's been said it's kinduva
slow start-off. You'll work yourself up into expecting WAR AND PEACE and
you'll be very disappointed in me!

	And do you think an ape would NOT eat a flea if he found one?
Besides, lice are banned because Injuns have 'em.




From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl  Tue Nov 30 11:00:30 1993
From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 11:00:30 +0100
Subject: new files on ftp
Message-ID: <199311301000.AA05703@athena.research.ptt.nl>

On ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney there are some new versions of our
index files. I put the Gladstone index and the Disney Comics index in one file:
gladstone-disney.index. The 'creators' file has also been adjusted.

Gladstone's 1st period is now almost complete! 
Thanks to Mark Semich and David Gerstein.

There are a few other updates to come:

- a new version of the Danish index by Ole Reichstein Nielsen
- a new version of the file 'story-codes' (at last).

Per hasn't put these files on the ftp site yet, but I expect they will be 
there soon.

--Harry.


From Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no  Tue Nov 30 13:02:21 1993
From: Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no (Geir.Hasnes@DELAB.SINTEF.no)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:02:21 +0100
Subject: The great libraries story
Message-ID: <9311301202.AA21259@figaro.er.sintef.no>

I include a letter I got from a friend working in the National Library
Service of Norway. He is representing Norway in an international committee
on standards for paper so that it can be preserved. I hunger for your
comments, Don!

"To Geir Hasnes:

I received the special Donald Duck edition from Statsbygg (Norwegian State
Buidings institution), and was ordered to study it closely. Some people
there opinionated that 7 shelves of books were too much for as short a
person as Scrooge McDuck.

I have given this comment:

The National Library Service has studied closely the problems with seven
heights of shelves in the underground book store. The usual solution would
be an aeroplane stairway like tree construction, normally done in mahogany,
that can be moved around the store. If one chooses this underground as a
standard, and furnishes the libraries with mobile scaffolding, in oak or
other cheaper materials, one has to reckon with a distance of four meters
between the shelves to give room for manouvering. Eventually one may have
to organize separate courses in stairway manouvering. 

Normally, rats and other rodents will concentrate on leather, parchment and
sugary book binder glue. Ruminants, on the other hand, can utilize
cellulose as nourishment. There must have been a special crossing of
cow/sheep and rat that has created the special Duckburg breed that has
preferred to digest the cellulose and until now has not touched the binding
materials. I look forward to learning more about the basis for this
sensational zoological development, that may be taken as yet one
confirmation of Darwinism."





From Even.Flood at due.unit.no  Tue Nov 30 14:24:31 1993
From: Even.Flood at due.unit.no (Even Flood)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:24:31 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: The great library story
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9311301531.A22113-0100000@due.unit.no>

In <2dfcps$l03 at ifi.uio.no>, Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no writes:
>I include a letter I got from a friend working in the National Library
>Service of Norway. He is representing Norway in an international committee

A comment: The correct name is
National Office for Specialist and Research Libraries. 
The "Friend" mentioned is one of the experts on 
preservation of books and written material.
BTW, that was the organization Don visited when he was in
Norway and had dinner with the head, National Librarian Ben
Rugaas. They are also my employers, so I had to respond to that....

>Normally, rats and other rodents will concentrate on leather, parchment and
>sugary book binder glue. Ruminants, on the other hand, can utilize
>cellulose as nourishment. 

Mayby the rodents do not eat paper, but they certainly
*can* chew it into small pieces, and they do! I know from 
personal experience and have seen the sad remains of
several issues of Chemical Abstracts after mice got into
the basement in the University library in Tromso. 
So that part of the story was sadly accurate. 


Even




From kjetilho at ifi.uio.no  Tue Nov 30 15:39:19 1993
From: kjetilho at ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:39:19 +0100
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #170.
In-Reply-To: Don Rosa's message of 30 Nov 1993 06:51:14 +0100
Message-ID: <19931130143919.10843.bera.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no>

+--- Don Rosa:
| 	Are you telling me that it is permitted to use PERIODS in a
| Disney comic??? When did that start? Lordy, two panels never go by
| that I wish I was allowed to use a period instead of an exclamation!
| But all-exclamations are the tradition.
+-------

My goodness! Here in Norway the all-exclamation style is reserved for
the super-heroes! Well, not strictly true, you can use either
ellipsis, question marks or exclamation marks! Fortunately, in Donald
Duck we are spared that style which I personally find very tiring to
read! Mind you, there are still more exclamation marks in Donald than
in your ordinary prose!


Kjetil T!


