From kyrimis at cti.gr  Sat Apr  1 00:34:13 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:34:13 +0200
Subject: Komix #142
Message-ID: <yam8126.694.291974584@dias.cti.gr>

Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix:

* Carl Barks' cover for "Donald Duck in Malayalaya", from Donald Duck Four
  Color #394. I've put a scan of the cover in
  http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix142.jpg.
* Don Rosa's "Donald Duck in Malayalaya", with art by Vic Lockman. This is
  the first story published by Komix that's been produced for them, and
  they wanted to start with a bang, by commissioning Don to write it.
  Unfortunately, given his busy schedule and the time frame that he was
  given, Don could only provide them with a script. Even so, Don came
  up with a fantastic story, based on Barks' cover (a la "The Crocodile
  Collector"), and Lockman's art does not detract from the story at all!
  The story is tantalizingly coded K 002.
* A two-page article titled "Backstage to a Story" and subtitled "Don Rosa
  talks about Barks, internet searches and other sources of inspiration".
* A one-page article titled "A Komix First", subtitled "All we had to do was
  ask!"
* Marco Rota's "The Great Viking Love".
* A two-page article sub-titled (actually, super-titled) "The reverse travel
  of the Vikings from Italy to Denmark... They are..." and titled "Marco
  Rota's Vikings".
* A two-page article titled "The Marco Rota Gallery", subtitled "The
  multidimensional work of a gifted artist".
* "Goofy's Sleep" (Greek title) drawn by Paul Murry and written by an unknown
  writer.
-- 
        Kriton  (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
                (WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"What we really need is a lateral molecular rectifier."
"What on Earth's that?"
"Not on Earth, unfortunately!"
-----




From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Sat Apr  1 14:51:13 2000
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:51:13 EST
Subject: Html and middle name
Message-ID: <5a.3401e8b.26174ac1@aol.com>

Hey guys, please turn your HTML off when you post; a lot of us read good ole 
straight text and the gobbledygook of HTML really is a pain to read.  
Especially for us digest readers!

Donald's middle name? Isn't it Fauntleroy? Or something like that? Or am I 
way off base?

Steven Rowe



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sat Apr  1 16:47:27 2000
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:47:27 +0200
Subject: Donald Duck's middle name
Message-ID: <005101bf9be9$a3b50ce0$0d13f2d4@idb3156>

Hi everybody.

Caroline Tee wrote:

>I wonder if someone can help us please.  My daughter a school project 
>and has been asked to find out Donald Ducks' middle name.  If anyone is 
>able to help, would you please email us ASAP.

Donald's full name is Donald Fauntleroy Duck. According to David Gerstein this was established in the 1942 Donald cartoon "Donald Gets Drafted", where we see a close-up of his draft card.

Lars Jensen




From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Sat Apr  1 18:40:18 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:40:18 +0100
Subject: New Brazilian Fethry's spin-off stories on the Web!
References: <002901bf97c6$0bca7680$5aabfbc8@Arthur>
Message-ID: <38E62672.8BA6031C@ec-lille.fr>

Arthur:
>     As I promised, I put some new Brazilian
> Fethry's spin-off stories on the Web. Marco
> Barlotti suggested the first Pena Kid story, when
> he was just a comic character drawn by Fethry Duck
> for Scrooge's newspaper. But his origin needed
> three stories to be told:
> 

Many thanks for the stories you uploaded, and the translations!
Obviously, these early Brazilian stories were not reprinted in France,
and probably not in all Europe.

The only one where I had previously seen Fethry actually drawing a comic
story for Scrooge is B 780300 (Assombracao Do Porao Do Barao) also
reprinted in Italy
(http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/storycode.htm?storycode=B+780300).

Regarding the brazilian series where the action is set in a world
beneath the sea (whith Fethry as the king): I have always been a bit
disturbed by the fact that many of the background characters were fishes
(which is admitedly unusual in Disney comics) but after a few stories
I've learned to appreciate them and finally liked them a lot. Are these
a comic-book creation of Fethry as well? And beside the cow-boy and sea
series, are there any other series drawn by Fethry?

I also remember several sepcial brazilian stories which may be part of
series, but I'm not sure. One where Ludwig Von Drake tells the history
of Duckburg, the history of computers and another one with Daisy and Cie
defending themselves against several mythological monsters.



From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Sat Apr  1 23:55:59 2000
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:55:59 -0300
Subject: A interview in Portuguese!
Message-ID: <009b01bf9c25$119a2160$f4a4d3c8@fernando>

I maded a interview with Waldyr Igayara de Souza, the second drawer off Z?
Carioca into Brazil( Arthur Faria JR and I are reindexing his comics), but I
dont have time to translate it to English, to put into the biography section
off DCML, so I will made it few times in the next months. Iff someone is
interested into the Portuguese version off it, send me a mail and I will
return with the archive.
Fernando Ventura




From marcobar at ds.unifi.it  Sun Apr  2 00:05:44 2000
From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 00:05:44 +0200
Subject: Donald Fauntleroy Duck
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000402000544.00886750@ds.unifi.it>

>I wonder if someone can help us please.  My daughter a school project =
>and has been asked to find out Donald Ducks' middle name.  If anyone is =
>able to help, would you please email us ASAP.=20
>

I seem to remembere his full name is Donald Fauntleroy Duck, but right now
I can't find a reference for this info...


    Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it





From l.gori at agora.stm.it  Sun Apr  2 14:37:54 2000
From: l.gori at agora.stm.it (Leonardo Gori)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:37:54 +0200
Subject: Donald Fauntleroy Duck
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000402143754.03482480@agora.stm.it>

Hi!

Marco wrote:

>>I wonder if someone can help us please.  My daughter a school project =
>>and has been asked to find out Donald Ducks' middle name.  If anyone is =
>>able to help, would you please email us ASAP.=20
>I seem to remembere his full name is Donald Fauntleroy Duck, but right now
>I can't find a reference for this info...

The reference CAN BE KEVIN NEARY, DAVE SMITH - The Ultimate Disney Trivia
Book - Hyperion, 1992.
At page 11, at the question #6, "What is Donald's Duck full name?", the
answer is: "Donald Fauntleroy Duck. Donald's full name is shown on his
draft notice in 'Donald Gets Drafted'."
That, according again with a lot of filmographies (Marcia Blitz, DONALD
DUCK - Harmony Books, 1979) was released in 1942.
If you need more info on the film, please ask.

Best
l.gori at agora.stm.it
http://space.tin.it/clubnet/leongori

http://digilander.iol.it/comicdom/index.html
comicdom at libero.it

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/



From Norbert.Stippler at rhein-main.net  Sun Apr  2 23:39:52 2000
From: Norbert.Stippler at rhein-main.net (Norbert Stippler)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:39:52 -0700
Subject: Question Concerning a Don-Rosa-Story
Message-ID: <38E7BE28.1FDF864C@rhein-main.net>

Hi all,

I have a specific question concerning "Treasure Under Glass", which I
read yesterday for the first time.

There is a logical mistake, and I would like to know if it is due to
faulty translation (since I have only the german version) or if it is
contained in Don Rosa's original script already.

On the very first page one of the nephews is making a photograph of
Donald pulling faces in Scrooges back. On the last page the film in the
camera is developed, and Scrooge discovers the photograph.

But on page 12 Donald asks if the camera is ready, and the nephew
answers: "Ich hab eben einen neuen Film eingelegt", in english: "I just
put in a new film." So, if the film is changed in the middle of the
story, the photograph from page one can't be in the camera at the end of
the story.

I admit, it is only an unimportant detail, but somehow I don't like
logical errors in the comics I read (although I am not a pedantic person
normally). :-)

Can someone tell me if this error happens in the original english
version as
well?

Norbert



From l.gori at agora.stm.it  Sun Apr  2 14:57:47 2000
From: l.gori at agora.stm.it (Leonardo Gori)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:57:47 +0200
Subject: Donald Fauntleroy Duck
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000402145747.034899b0@agora.stm.it>

Hi!

Marco wrote:

>>I wonder if someone can help us please.  My daughter a school project =
>>and has been asked to find out Donald Ducks' middle name.  If anyone is =
>>able to help, would you please email us ASAP.=20
>I seem to remembere his full name is Donald Fauntleroy Duck, but right now
>I can't find a reference for this info...

The reference cen be KEVIN NEARY, DAVE SMITH - The Ultimate Disney Trivia
Book - Hyperion, 1992.
At page 11, at the question #6, "What is Donald's Duck full name?", the
answer is: "Donald Fauntleroy Duck. Donald's full name is shown on his
draft notice in 'Donald Gets Drafted'."
That, according again with a lot of filmographies (Marcia Blitz, DONALD
DUCK - Harmony Books, 1979) was released in 1942.
If you need more info on the film, please ask.

Best
l.gori at agora.stm.it
http://space.tin.it/clubnet/leongori

http://digilander.iol.it/comicdom/index.html
comicdom at libero.it

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/



From Alexgoe at aol.com  Sun Apr  2 17:50:18 2000
From: Alexgoe at aol.com (Alexgoe@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:50:18 EDT
Subject: Grandma Duck's stories
Message-ID: <2.2168744.2618c63a@aol.com>

Hi!

At the beginning of the 90ies, there was a story-series by Rodolfo
Cimino. The fourth of the all in one 8 parts was written by Nino
Russo. They are about Grandma Duck telling (non-Disney)-stories
to Scrooge, Donald, Daisy, etc. .

In Italy, this series is called "Nonna Papera e i racconti attorno al
fuoco". The first 3 parts were reprinted in Germany,  but part 4
to 8 unfortunatly not...

Because I enjoy reading these stories, I'd like to know what's hap-
pening in these five stories or what's the plot of them. I searched
for the, to me unknown, stories in the INDUCKS with following results:


part 4
    "La leggenda del lago d'argento" (Paperino Mese 213/ Topolino
     1921)

part 5
    "La regina delle rocce e il fiore proibito" (Topolino 1932/ Storie
    col fiocco 3)

part 6
    "Il tamburino e i 3 soldi del destino" (Topolino 1943/ Storie col
     fiocco 3)

part 7
    "Ala di colomba e l'uomo delle nevi" (Topolino 1953/ Storie col
     fiocco 3)

part 8
    "Steve il boscaiolo e la fontana di pietra" (Topolino 2025)


I'd be thankful if someone on the list who knows these stories, can
tell me about their "topic" or tell me a short summary...

Thanks,

Alex Goerig



From kyrimis at cti.gr  Mon Apr  3 10:46:47 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:46:47 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: The *real* contents of Komix #142
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004031145590.20124-100000@poseidon>

It seems that either few people fell for my April Fools' gag, or few people
bother reading my presentation of each month's Komix issue.
In any case, here are the real contents of this month's issue of Komix:

* A gag cover by an unknown artist. (I've put a scan in
  http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix142_real.jpg. The fake cover is still
  in http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix142.jpg.)
* A three-page article titled "The parody of horror comics", subtitled "A trip
  to the dark side of the duck world and of other worlds..."
* "Trapped in Castle Rollingstein", written by Jan Kruse and drawn by Ben
  Verhagen.
* A one-page article titled "In the forest of blue dreams", subtitled "From
  books to comics: Winnie the Pooh and his long journey..."
* A two-page article sub-titled (actually, super-titled) "The reverse travel
  of the Vikings from Italy to Denmark... They are..." and titled "Marco
  Rota's Vikings".
* Marco Rota's "The Great Viking Love".
* A two-page article titled "The Marco Rota gallery", subtitled "The
  multidimensional work of a gifted artist".
* "Goofy's Sleep" (Greek title) drawn by Paul Murry and written by an unknown
  writer.

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I thought you liked humanity!"
"Oh, I do, I do!  Some of my best friends are humans!"
-----




From pyas at swipnet.se  Mon Apr  3 13:46:07 2000
From: pyas at swipnet.se (Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Di=F6s?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:46:07 +0200
Subject: Full of film
In-Reply-To: <200004031000.MAA23674@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <200004031146.NAA17817@mb09.swip.net>

Norbert, about Rosa's "Treasure Under Glass":

>But on page 12 Donald asks if the camera is ready, and the nephew
>answers: "Ich hab eben einen neuen Film eingelegt", in english: "I just
>put in a new film." So, if the film is changed in the middle of the
>story, the photograph from page one can't be in the camera at the end of

>the story.


I'm sure you will get many answers to this one - let me put in one of them.
There is no reference to a new roll of film in Don's original script. The
nephew says, "Watertight and full of film". So, obviously, the German
translator made a mistake here.

But just as obviously, he didn't make that mistake because he
misinterpreted the original dialog. What he was trying to do was to add
some extra detail and flourish to his text, or to make it flow more easily
and naturally - which, as I have stated here many times before, I believe
is his job rather than to translate every line literally. When I translate
Disney comics, I usually ask myself (more or less subconsciously, nowadays)
questions like these: "What would the character say in this situation?" or
"What needs to be explained for the story to work?". More often than not,
the answer is just about the same that's already in the balloon, because
the writer (and his editor) posed the same questions while working. But it
sure happens even at my stage that I want to add something extra, or
rewrite some passage in order to make it clearer, funnier or whatever. It
may not be my official job description, but if need be, I want to be
something of a "dialog editor" just as much as a translator.

So in this case, my German colleague found it natural to express the
resourceful nephews' readiness to go to work by having them put in a new
film in the camera - and as a consequence, an important point in the story
was lost. Oops! Not good, of course - but I'm sure that anyone on this list
who ever worked with scriptwriting, editing, or translating can tell you
how easy it is to overlook small details in the continuity, especially in a
long story like this. You go back and re-read your script for the umptieth
time (or somebody else does it behind you!), you change a word or a line to
make the text more snappy... and some original reason for that word or line
might be obscured. Why, even the best of artists sometimes move a nephew
around the panel without erasing the first one... so we get Fooey! This
kind of mistake is of course much easier to make in the texts. I have seen
numerous such instances in the thousands of stories I have worked with, and
I couldn't honestly say I never made any myself. That's the risk you run
when trying to do a "good" job! But I do try to be careful, not the least
so when working with such a scrupulous writer and artist like Don Rosa.

Anyway, one of the reasons I wanted to say something about "Treasure Under
Glass" is that it just left my desk for the second time - the first was
almost ten years ago. The Scandinavian readers (at least the Swedish) will
se it reprinted during the summer. I vividly remember the kicks I got out
of this story when first reading it. At that time, I considered it one of
Don's best efforts ever. Well, everyone knows he has done many masterpieces
since then, but I think this one still compares very well. It's ingenious,
inspiring and intricate (though not overly so) and contains some remarkably
breathtaking scenes. So those of you up north who haven't read it yet are
in for a summer treat!


Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden



From starback at ling.uu.se  Mon Apr  3 15:52:57 2000
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 15:52:57 +0200
Subject: Sorry...
Message-ID: <qz4s9jthom.fsf@substantiv.ling.uu.se>

I'm sorry about the recent problems with the DCML digests and the DCML
web pages!  I think everything is working again now (for several days
actually).  Thanks to everyone who told me about the problems.  I
won't bother to answer individually to you now.  I just wanted to
acknowledge that I have indeed received your messages and state that I
now think everything is fine, so if it isn't it may be worthwhile to
tell me again about any remaining problems.
-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"



From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Apr  3 15:03:46 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:03:46 -0400
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #124 - 5 msgs
References: <200004031000.MAA23677@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <007301bf9d75$d7c04620$b2ecffcc@default>

> From: Norbert Stippler
> I have a specific question concerning "Treasure Under Glass", which I
> read yesterday for the first time.......
> But on page 12 Donald asks if the camera is ready, and the nephew
> answers: "Ich hab eben einen neuen Film eingelegt", in english: "I just
> put in a new film." So, if the film is changed in the middle of the
> story, the photograph from page one can't be in the camera at the end of
> the story.

This was a story that I did for Egmont (one of the first) and it was used
by the Disney regime while they were publishing the comics after wresting
them away from poor Gladstone... so there's no sense in me checking the
American version of that story since their dialogue would have come not
from me (since I did not cooperate with them like that) but would have come
from Egmont... therefore it would have been Disney's idea for Egmont's
version of the original. Strange things happened in those Disney
versions... my "favorite" was in "Incident at McDuck Tower" where my
original script had someone saying something innocuous like "I'm going to
shut the window -- I feel a draft" (Donald was outside the window on a
ledge), and the Disney version read something like "How dare you speak to
me in that tone of voice, Gertrude!" This will remain one of the great
unsolved and bizarre mysteries of my life and times.
So I checked my original 1989 script for that dialogue -- when Donald asks
the Nephew if the camera is ready, the Nephew replies "Watertight and full
of film".... the implied meaning being the same film roll that was in it
earlier in the story. But that German translation, while perhaps a slight
error, is not a very big one. At least they didn't have the Nephew reply
"How dare you speak to me in that tone of voice, Mildred!" like it might
have been in the American Disney version if I'd bothered to check.





From falkenberg at enercon.de  Mon Apr  3 16:43:36 2000
From: falkenberg at enercon.de (Falkenberg)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:43:36 +0200
Subject: pictures WDC&S
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000403164336.0079d320@mail.enercon.de>


Hi folks,

If anybody is interesting in seeing the WDC&S covers, please look
at http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.

This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
adress of the homepage: www.donald.org

It?s nice to see all the covers from WDC&S and all other like
mickey mouse, four color, US and so on...


with greetings

Helmut




From popcorn at freenet.hut.fi  Mon Apr  3 17:58:29 2000
From: popcorn at freenet.hut.fi (Tom Wik)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:58:29 +0300
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #124 - 5 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200004031000.MAA23670@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NDBBJLGICKEOKIAHLKGBCEANCAAA.popcorn@freenet.hut.fi>

>Date:   Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:39:52 -0700
>From: Norbert Stippler <Norbert.Stippler at rhein-main.net>
>Subject: Question Concerning a Don-Rosa-Story

>---snip---
>But on page 12 Donald asks if the camera is ready, and the nephew
>answers: "Ich hab eben einen neuen Film eingelegt", in english: "I just
>put in a new film." So, if the film is changed in the middle of the
>story, the photograph from page one can't be in the camera at the end of
>the story.

>Norbert

I don't have access to the original english script, but I have the swedish
version of the comic. In the place that you refer to, one the nephew
says:"Klar! Vattentaet och laddad med film!", which means "Ready! Watertight
and loaded with (a) film".
My first reaction to this is that the camera is loaded from before, i.e
there is no new film in the camera. The situation can of course be
interpreted in the way you suggested, and I guess the German translators
understood it that way. The true intention anyway is that there is no new
film, otherwise the fun would be spoiled ;) (any comments from anyone with
the english comic?)

Greets:
Tom Wik




From frspreaf at tin.it  Mon Apr  3 16:26:54 2000
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:26:54 +0200
Subject: The *real* contents of Komix #142
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004031145590.20124-100000@poseidon>
Message-ID: <000801bf9d8b$c53282a0$1751d8d4@darthmaul>

From: "Kriton Kyrimis" <kyrimis at cti.gr>

> It seems that either few people fell for my April Fools' gag, or few
people
> bother reading my presentation of each month's Komix issue.

The first you said :-)

Sprea




From gbalanik at med.auth.gr  Mon Apr  3 23:27:08 2000
From: gbalanik at med.auth.gr (Georgios Balanikas)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:27:08 +0300
Subject: The *real* contents of Komix #142
Message-ID: <002401bf9db6$ffb194e0$03000004@x1y6a1>

KRITON
>It seems that either few people fell for my April Fools' gag, or few people
>bother reading my presentation of each month's Komix issue.

It was an impressive joke! But I could not speak, to prevent  anyone of
thinking  that I knew the real contents.

Georgios






From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Tue Apr  4 05:54:10 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:54:10 -0300
Subject: Francois: Brazilian Fethry's spin-offs and others
Message-ID: <001701bf9dee$2377e320$07abfbc8@Arthur>

    FRANCOIS:

>The only one where I had previously seen Fethry actually drawing a comic
>story for Scrooge is B 780300 (Assombracao Do Porao Do Barao) also
>reprinted in Italy

There are two stories using that ghost character, B 74008 and B 780300
but they were about a terror *novel* that Fethry was writing, not
a comic story. Thus FE wasn't actually drawing the scenes -- 
he was just imagining them as he wrote.

>Regarding the brazilian series where the action is set in a world
>beneath the sea (whith Fethry as the king): I have always been a bit
>disturbed by the fact that many of the background characters were fishes

His early stories show those characters as "underwater ducks".
Late ones show them as sharks, octopuses, whales, etc. I'll put
"Fethry the Submariner" first story on the Web soon.

>Are these
>a comic-book creation of Fethry as well? And beside the cow-boy and sea
>series, are there any other series drawn by Fethry?

No. Only "Fethry Kid" and "Jungle Fethry" are. There are
other spin-offs, like a "Caveman Fethry" and the Submariner, but they
aren't FE's comic creations.

>I also remember several sepcial brazilian stories which may be part of
>series, but I'm not sure. One where Ludwig Von Drake tells the history
>of Duckburg, the history of computers and another one with Daisy and Cie
>defending themselves against several mythological monsters.

- "A historia de Patopolis" (Duckburg's History): 5-chapter series
first printed in 1982 and reprinted in 1986 with 2 new chapters added
(in order to use the then "new" Daisy and Boinifacio, the unlucky CL's
cousin)
-  I can't recall neither that computer's history story (or series) nor
Daisy against mythological monsters... Could you give me more details?

 -- Arthur.





From marcobar at ds.unifi.it  Tue Apr  4 12:38:17 2000
From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:38:17 +0200
Subject: Updated "Topolino" Italian story index on line
In-Reply-To: <200004041000.MAA02881@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000404123817.0098c700@ds.unifi.it>

The new-improved version of the Italian story index for "Topolino"
(covering all issues up to 2313, i. e. up to last week) is on line at

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

and hopefully soon will be integrated into Inducks (Harry: you know where
the TL.INS.ZIP file is...)

    Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics





From pflip at tiscalinet.it  Tue Apr  4 13:04:45 2000
From: pflip at tiscalinet.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:04:45 +0200
Subject: Eta Beta's Covers Extravaganza
Message-ID: <38e9ca03392af44a@twingo.tiscalinet.it> (added by
	    twingo.tiscalinet.it)

Hello, everyone -

HELMUT wrote:

>If anybody is interesting in seeing the WDC&S covers, please look
>at http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.
>
>This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
>adress of the homepage: www.donald.org

While thanking Helmut for the appreciation of my little image
collecting job, which has just been updated, BTW (I meant to
"clean up" a coupla things before announcing it "officially"),
I feel compelled to make a little precisation.

The covers pages are not part of the D.O.N.A.L.D. site (nothing
wrong if they were, of course) but, although not yet "phisically",
they "belong" to my own "Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket" project, and
are also part of a wider covers collecting project: check out the
... er... cover page :-)  at

http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/covers.html

and you'll find links to Italian (under construction), Danish,
Dutch and Australian covers as well.

Folks partecipating to this project are all friends and DCML list
members, Ole R. Nielsen, Roy Koojman and Australian mates Tony
and Dave, not to mention lots of contributors, and we're currently
looking for volunteers to create/maintain more "local" cover pages
to be linked to ours.

You're all invited to join the gang  :-)

Oh, BTW, there's a little "hidden back door" in the U.S.A. section
of the covers site, leading to an "off-topic" environment... :-)
If you're interested in discovering what's that about, ask little
Mickey for help... tickle him... :-)


To end with, I haven't been neglecting my other pages, I'm working
hard to update those as well, especially the Scarpa page, and hope
they'll be ready pretty soon... I'd lke to put them all together
in some new, BIG and ads-free web-space, but I'm still looking
around for that.

Current pages haven't been updated in ages, but here's addresses
anyway:

http://members.xoom.com/eega/scarpa/balaboo.html
http://members.xoom.com/eega/magic/pocket.html


Cheers

Eta Beta



From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Apr  4 19:07:50 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:07:50 +0100
Subject: Eta Beta's Covers Extravaganza
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76F06@l04.research.kpn.com>

> >If anybody is interesting in seeing the WDC&S covers, please look
> >at http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.
> >This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
> >adress of the homepage: http://www.donald.org

Author Eta Beta replied:

> The covers pages are not part of the D.O.N.A.L.D. site

But it's annoying that D.O.N.A.L.D. suggests that they are. They even claim
the copyright for your (and many other people's) pages! And the real URLs of
the links are hidden (in my browser) by some banner about "das schwarze
Brett".

> some new, BIG and ads-free web-space, but I'm still looking
> around for that.

Maybe the D.O.N.A.L.D. society can offer you the web space? Then at least
part of the phrase "part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D." would
become true...

--Harry.
(Not a member of D.O.N.A.L.D.)



From jgarvin at bendcable.com  Tue Apr  4 19:14:15 2000
From: jgarvin at bendcable.com (john garvin)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:14:15 -0700
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #125 - 8 msgs
References: <200004041000.MAA02880@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38EA22E7.76021380@bendcable.com>

-stephan wrote:
What he was trying to do was to add
some extra detail and flourish to his text, or to make it flow more easily
and naturally - which, as I have stated here many times before, I believe
is his job rather than to translate every line literally. When I translate
Disney comics, I usually ask myself (more or less subconsciously, nowadays)
questions like these: "What would the character say in this situation?" or
"What needs to be explained for the story to work?". More often than not,
the answer is just about the same that's already in the balloon, because
the writer (and his editor) posed the same questions while working. But it
sure happens even at my stage that I want to add something extra, or
rewrite some passage in order to make it clearer, funnier or whatever. It
may not be my official job description, but if need be, I want to be
something of a "dialog editor" just as much as a translator.

As an artist and writer, Stephan, I take great exception to this.  It sounds to
me that you are in the wrong line of work.  You don't want to be a translator,
you want to be a writer.  It is one thing to reword a bit of "untranslatable"
slang or phrasing, it is quite another to examine the words in front of you and
arbitrarily decide that they are not clear enough, or funny enough.  For you to
decide that the original writer and editor did not "pose" the correct questions
to themselves, and to then CHANGE their work to suit YOUR fancy, well that is
really quite incredible.  Do the original creators a favor: "add something
extra" to your own work, and leave their's as written and intended.  If I want
to read a story by Rosa, Barks, Scrapa, whoever, I want to read their works, not
the modified works of Stephan Dios.





From julietv at email.com  Tue Apr  4 21:35:50 2000
From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: US Publisher?  Gladstone?
Message-ID: <385037065.954876950810.JavaMail.root@web10.pub01>

I'm one of those people who have a massive box of
Scrooge comics that I read over and over and just
haven't bought any new ones lately.  (Sorry, Mr.
Rosa!)  I really need to get back in the game
because I'm sure there are a lot of great new
stories out there.

Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US? 
Is it still Gladstone?

Thanks a lot!

Juliet

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From pedro.cravo at estig.ipbeja.pt  Wed Apr  5 00:11:46 2000
From: pedro.cravo at estig.ipbeja.pt (Pedro Cravo)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:11:46 +0100
Subject: Brazilian Fethry's spin-offs and others
Message-ID: <000a01bf9e82$c4ae5640$04011e0a@estig.ipbeja.pt>

>The only one where I had previously seen Fethry actually drawing a
>comic story for Scrooge is B 780300 (Assombracao Do Porao Do Barao)
>also reprinted in Italy
>
> There are two stories using that ghost character, B 74008 and B
> 780300 but they were about a terror *novel* that Fethry was writing,
> not a comic story. Thus FE wasn't actually drawing the scenes --
> he was just imagining them as he wrote.

There is a Pena Kid (Fethry Kid) story where Fethry is drawing the story and Scrooge doesn't like it so it's constantly making him change the outcome. I don't remember it's title.

>I also remember several sepcial brazilian stories which may be part
>of series, but I'm not sure. One where Ludwig Von Drake tells the
>history of Duckburg, the history of computers and another one with
>Daisy and Cie defending themselves against several mythological
>monsters.
>
> - "A historia de Patopolis" (Duckburg's History): 5-chapter series
> first printed in 1982 and reprinted in 1986 with 2 new chapters
> added (in order to use the then "new" Daisy and Boinifacio, the
> unlucky CL's cousin) -  I can't recall neither that computer's
> history story (or series) nor Daisy against mythological
> monsters... Could you give me more details?

I have four comics that make a special collection dedicated to computers. The History of Computers appears in the first one and the others have stories about computers, video games and robots. If I'm not mistaken, there are three or four chapters of the History of Computers (but there may be more) and it dates back to the middle 80. It was edited by Editora Abril, from Brazil, and distributed here in Portugal, as most of the Disney comics those days.

Pedro Cravo

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From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Wed Apr  5 13:20:08 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:20:08 +0700
Subject: US Publisher?  Gladstone?
References: <200004051000.MAA08629@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000d01bf9ef1$16dc3360$ce189eca@kulim>

> From: Juliet Violette <julietv at email.com>
> I'm one of those people who have a massive box of
> Scrooge comics that I read over and over and just
> haven't bought any new ones lately.  (Sorry, Mr.
> Rosa!)  I really need to get back in the game
> because I'm sure there are a lot of great new
> stories out there.
>
> Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US?
> Is it still Gladstone?
None as far as i know. Perhaps it's time for you to get a foreign language
course :-D

Best,
Arie Fachrisal




From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Wed Apr  5 13:40:44 2000
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:40:44 EDT
Subject: Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US?
Message-ID: <19.2725936.261c803c@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/5/00 6:01:08 AM Eastern Daylight , Juliet writes:

> Who is publishing the Scrooge comics in the US? 

: (        nobody;

 apparently the Disney corporation wants more money that a company can make 
publishing comics...

Steven Rowe



From pyas at swipnet.se  Wed Apr  5 13:43:12 2000
From: pyas at swipnet.se (Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Di=F6s?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:43:12 +0200
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #126 - 6 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200004051000.MAA08608@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <200004051143.NAA18995@mb09.swip.net>

John Garvin:


>
> <<<<<<As an artist and writer, Stephan, I take great exception to this. It
> sounds to 
> me that you are in the wrong line of work. You don't want to be a
translator,
>
> you want to be a writer.



You are right, John, that I would prefer not to call myself a "translator".
That's what it says in the comics, but I'd much rather say I "write the
Swedish
dialog". Sometimes I still use words like "translating" because it may be more
convenient than some awkward phrase like "dialog-writing". Perhaps this use
may
look a little careless, given my basic attitude towards my work.

I also agree with everything you say about translating in general. If I'm
translating a book (non-Disney) or something like that, which has happened on
rare occasions even though I clearly specialize in Disney comics, I approach
the task much differently. Yes, comics should certainly be treated with the
same respect, but trying to maintain something of the traditional Swedish
atmosphere about the way the Ducks talk is just as important to me, if not
more, as preserving the exact wordings of a writer. The magazine needs some
consistency within itself and within the frame of history, even though many
different talents are contributing.


 <<<<If I want 
>
> to read a story by Rosa, Barks, Scrapa, whoever, I want to read their works,
> not 
> the modified works of Stephan Dios. 


Now you mention the greatest masters. It would be very rare that I'd take upon
myself to correct or improve upon such elite authors... although I'll readily
admit that I would try it whenever I saw necessary. Even for other writers, I
really don't change as much as it may sound from some of my overly pompous
"mission statements". Ten or fifteen years ago I'd change a lot more than I do
now. (And then the Swedish editors would make further changes behind me. Those
poor writers of the 80's!)

As for my wanting to be a writer... yes, I like to write, but no, I never felt
an urge to produce any comic stories of my own... at least not since I
found my
place "translating". I'm sure I couldn't write stories well enough to
please my
own taste (nor any readers'), so I'd rather stick with something I feel
comfortable doing. Writing Duck dialog, and maybe an occasional article about
the comics, is what I do best... in fact, it's the only thing I can manage in
this field at all, and I don't think I'll ever aspire to do something else.
Obviously, lots of people will think I can't even do that well enough...
but as
long as my editors are happy, and I keep feeling comfortable myself, I'd like
to try to continue just a little while more. Of course, as soon as a true
talent shows up for my position, I'll gladly step aside to ensure that the job
gets done as well as possible.

Meanwhile, John, I sincerely hope that whenever I come across some of your
writing, I can render it in a way that will please both yourself and the
Swedish audience.


Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden



From harms313 at web.de  Wed Apr  5 16:48:17 2000
From: harms313 at web.de (Klaus Harms)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:48:17 +0200
Subject: Am deutschen Donaldistenwesen soll sie Welt genesen! Schtonk!
References: <200004051000.MAA08609@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38EB5231.7BFB29EB@web.de>

> Betreff: RE: Eta Beta's Covers Extravaganza

> > >[SNIP!] http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/cv_usa.html.
> > >This pages are a part of the homepages of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
> > >adress of the homepage: http://www.donald.org
> 
> Author Eta Beta replied:
> 
> > The covers pages are not part of the D.O.N.A.L.D. site
> 
> But it's annoying that D.O.N.A.L.D. suggests that they are. They even claim
> the copyright for your (and many other people's) pages! And the real URLs of
> the links are hidden (in my browser) by some banner about "das schwarze
> Brett".

I took the liberty to inform the Brettmeister (i.e.: admin) about the
problem (internal and external links getting mixed up in inadmissable
form) and expect it to be solved very soon. 

Klaus, member (and ex-Pr?sidente) of D.O.N.A.L.D.



From sgarcia at uf-isf.es  Wed Apr  5 17:29:33 2000
From: sgarcia at uf-isf.es (Santiago Garcia Banhos)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:29:33 +0200
Subject: Free translations
In-Reply-To: <200004051000.MAA08629@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000201bf9f13$be982420$eb446f0a@ral.uef.es>

About the recent theme of accurate tranlations:

I understand perfectly the point of view of John Garvin, meaning he wants
his work to be transmited accurately, just as it was created. But I agree
with Stephan in the sense that I think the translator becomes part of the
work, as he/she provides the dialogues not only the language, but even the
sense it needs for the story to be fully understood and enjoyed in the
destination country.

This does not apologize the mistakes and bad traslations, of corse, but
instead the work of the translator as a 'second' scripter. I know there are
other points of view - it's a matter of opinions, I think.

As many of yours, I have got some stories translated in several languages,
and I must tell the huge difference I've seen sometimes in the same story
because of the translation: one very literal, very poor, just 'enough'...
and the other full of funny speech, rhyming words (untranslatable!), with a
lot more words than the necessary, just to enhance the speech... much better
even than the original one! I feel sorrow when I think about all the fun I'd
missed if not for the fantastic translations I've read.

>If I want to read a story by Rosa, Barks, Scrapa, whoever, I want to read
>their works, not the modified works of Stephan Dios.
Why not? I'm not a purist, I DO want to read Stephan Dios if he writes
dialogues (not only for the language) more undestandable for me! (I must say
it's just an example; actually I don't read swedish :-)

Though, I know it's hard to agree with free translations when you see things
like 'How dare you speak to me in that tone of voice, Gertrude!' :-)

Greetings,

Santiago.





From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Wed Apr  5 20:52:00 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:52:00 +0100
Subject: Dutch Disney comic fan meeting
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075794@l04.research.kpn.com>

Last Saturday, some of the Dutch members of this mailing list (and one
non-member, writer Frank Jonker) had a meeting in Rotterdam. Also a Finnish
member happened to be there (Mike, the Finnish trekkie).

On request of Gary 8-), photographs can be seen at this address:
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/p00-04.html

We had a wonderful day, thanks to the hospitality of Arthur de Wolf and Amy
Evenstad!

--Harry.
(If you want to know if YOU are in "Harry's hall of fame", check
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/persons.html - all you need to do
to be added there is meet me! 8-)



From acsive at mail.mira.dk  Wed Apr  5 17:03:36 2000
From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:03:36 +0200
Subject: april fools, translators
Message-ID: <200004052014.WAA64016@mail.mira.dk>

Hi
Let me first say that I noticed Kriton's april gag very much. As usual
I'm naive and I wrote at once to him and asked, what he wants in
return... fooled!
Don is the basis of two gags this april then. A fun person on  the
norwegian newsgroup with the subject comics fooled everyone. 

But anyway, isn't it wish-thinking more than fooling? wouldn't it be
great with a story done especially for Komix? BTW Kriton you goofed on
the K-code, that's reserved for Disney Studios in the 90'es, for some
reason...

I understand John garvin saying as he does, also because he's a writer
and artist himself. But don't be too hard on Stefan Di?s (It's at least
usual to spell the name right:-) He's a talented translator, and it
seems to necessary at some times to correct mistakes. 

Denmark is also giftet with a good translator I think. Mr.
Soendergaard. is his name and he's been there since 1992 -His first job
might have been the Lo$ starting chapters, on Rosaic terms I mean.
The combination of Rosa's talent of drawing and telling combined with
the translators weel translated wordpuns is great. He even made a
better joke than Don in the 10th chapter of Lo$. In the american
version Mathilda says that the Canoe-dragging story was more likely
(Scrooge and Teodore Roosevelt have been talking about what happened
since chapter 4). The danish one mentions the soft gold, and Mathilda
says a very catchy thing, maybe to modern. "Then we believe that one!
And the one about the soft gold." (Scrooge just told that he will fill
the bin to the top 100 feet. 

With the Kalevala there was some mistakes, but they aren't his fault,
but some other leak on the line, I am told. 

AC







From sonia_dyer at hp.com  Wed Apr  5 23:34:39 2000
From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (sonia_dyer@hp.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:34:39 -0700
Subject: Scrooge comics in US
Message-ID: <H0000dd40e1a5a68@MHS>

     
     Hi Juliet-
        Unfortunately no one publishes Scrooge comics in the US anymore.  
     Gladstone still sells back issues.  See:
     
                http://brucehamilton.com/gladstone/
     
       Sonia




From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Thu Apr  6 00:04:53 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:04:53 -0300
Subject: Pedro Cravo: Brazilian computer stories
Message-ID: <000a01bf9f6c$851cba40$30abfbc8@Arthur>

    Pedro Cravo wrote:

>There is a Pena Kid (Fethry Kid) story where Fethry is drawing the story =
>and Scrooge doesn't like it so it's constantly making him change the =
>outcome. I don't remember it's title.

    Well, there are a lot of Pena Kid stories in the 70s like that one
you described. Have you seen the two stories of that kind I put
on the Web last Sunday? Quick, I'll remove them this weekend:

    http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/

>   I have four comics that make a special collection dedicated to =
>computers. The History of Computers appears in the first one and the =
>others have stories about computers, video games and robots. If I'm not =
>mistaken, there are three or four chapters of the History of Computers =
>(but there may be more) and it dates back to the middle 80. It was =
>edited by Editora Abril, from Brazil, and distributed here in Portugal, =
>as most of the Disney comics those days.

    Well, I and other writers made some stories for Editora Abril in
mid-80s about computers, video-games, VCRs, etc., for a Disney magazine
(not a comic book) titled "Video Disney", edited in Brazil. It had
a short life (AFAIK 4 issues). But those weren't series, just
isolated stories, and there wasn't any History of Computers in it.
Hmm.. Those ones you mention might be stories made exclusively for
the European market, I don't know... Anyway, I've never seen them.
If you Pedro or anybody else knows the story codes of some of them,
please I'd really like to know.

The Disney Video stories published here that I know are:

B 850033 1 3 EKM? FE Tempos modernos
B 850036 1 3 EKM MOV,OH,PE,BB,PB desc:Computer lists villains' hideouts
B 850007 8 3 VMe MDS,MIM,WWI Tremendo som
B 850037 1 3 EKM? GY,ERM Que programa! desc:Complaining on GY using computer
B 850026 10 3 AFJ EKM? US,DD,HDL,GY,BB O guarda-contador
B 850073 1 3 EKM FE,Gloria A an?lise
B 850071 1 3 EKM FE,DD,US Quem procura, acha
B 850072 1 3 EKM FE,DD,US,Tabby O profissional
B 850025 12 3 VMe MDS,MIM,US Programando bruxarias
B 850064 14 3 AFJ ISR US,FE,BIQ,GY Videogame sem v?deo
B 850074 1 3 EKM FE Fundindo a cuca!
B 820224 6 VMe? DD,GL,DA Videocassetada
B 850038 1 3 EKM? GY,ERM desc:Making horoscope program

-- Arthur.




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Thu Apr  6 10:17:38 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:17:38 +0100
Subject: Arthur, Pedro, Brazilians: Brazilian computer stories
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075798@l04.research.kpn.com>

Arthur wrote:

> Those ones you mention might be stories made exclusively for
> the European market, I don't know... Anyway, I've never seen them.
> If you Pedro or anybody else knows the story codes of some of them,
> please I'd really like to know.

There is one story like that published in Holland. Story code is B 840098.
It's 45 pages, plus one introductory page.
It's a Ludwig Von Drake story, and all kinds of robots and computers from
various Disney stories appear in it. For instance the mechanical wizzard
from Mickey Mouse four color #401.

--Harry.



From jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se  Thu Apr  6 18:23:48 2000
From: jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se (Jakob Soederbaum)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:23:48 -0700
Subject: Don and Norbert
References: <200004041000.MAA02878@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38ECBA12.1E1B769A@mailbox.swipnet.se>

Don and Norbert:

The Disney version does follow Don's script, regarding the matter of "Treasure
Under Glass".

But I'm not sure I understand what really got mixed up in "Incident at McDuck
Tower". In the Disney version Donald falls down the building, ends up hanging
two floors down. This, of course, is also in Don's script. ;-)  When he gets up,
someone slams a window over his hands. In the next scene, we see Donald as he
(probably) yells of pain outside the window, and the boss saying to his
secretary "Don't ever speak to me like that again, Gretta!". This seems to imply
that he's hearing bad language, probably from Donald (and maybe the boss' window
is also slightly open). Gretta replies "I didn't! I only closed the window!",
she doesn't understand this talking about "bad language" since her window now is
closed, and she knows she hasn't said anything. I thought this was quite fun
when I read it, and didn't reflect about something being wrong with it. To me it
makes sense. But what did the original say, then? (Noone says he/she is *going*
to shut the window, since this is already done) In the Swedish version, the boss
says (translated) "Don't yell at me, Kerstin!" onto which she replies "I just
shut the window!". So there's no big difference between the Egmont and the
Disney version, only what one could expect since Egmont (for some reason) always
has to use less words than the American version.


All the best,
/Jakob Soederbaum





From kyrimis at cti.gr  Thu Apr  6 13:05:58 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:05:58 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: april fools, translators
In-Reply-To: <200004061000.MAA02554@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004061320090.18878-100000@dias>

ANDERS CHRISTIAN:

> Don is the basis of two gags this april then. A fun person on  the
> norwegian newsgroup with the subject comics fooled everyone. 

Could you tell us more about this?

> But anyway, isn't it wish-thinking more than fooling? wouldn't it be
> great with a story done especially for Komix?

I understand that Komix is very tight with their budget: they don't want
to pay a certain list member (not me) the trivial amount he asked when
they suggested he write articles for them, they say they can't afford
to invite Don to Greece, and we all know how they use the internet as
one of the main sources of material for their articles. Thus, I wouldn't
have very high hopes about them commissioning such a story from Don.

> BTW Kriton you goofed on
> the K-code, that's reserved for Disney Studios in the 90'es, for some
> reason...

Ah, but the code was there to make vctims of my gag write about it,
so that I could point out the date of my posting. If they ever do
produce any stories, the code will probably start with something like
EL (Hellas) or GR (Greece). Given that they have several Disney comics
publications, it wouldn't make sense to have a different code for each
of their publications.


Regarding the gag, it was part of a larger gag that I thought last year
on April *2*. The idea was to suggest that the publisher of Komix had
obtained a license to print Disney comics in English, and that from April
onwards, there would be two different versions of Komix, one English
and one Greek.  In their first issue they would have Don's "Malayalaya"
story, and as a backup one of the banned Gottfredson's stories. I figured
that by the time next April came, publication of Disney comics would have
resumed in the US, so I started planning on just the first part of the
gag, i.e., the fake story by Don. As it turned out, Disney Comics have
yet to resume publication in the US, but going ahead with my original
plan would have been too painful. Anyway, note how I slowly started
to take over the presentation of Komix, so that the fake presentation
would not come out of the blue. I started producing the scans, and got
in touch with Archontis so that we could arrange for him to integrate
my scans to his monthly posting. As it turned out, Archontis would be
moving to the US for a few months. In terms of the gag, this was even
better, as I could take over the presentations. Oh, and just in case
you are wondering, the gag was posted with Don's consent.

Some comments on the gag:
* I had Don provide only the script, as we more or less know what
  he's working on, and there simply isn't any time left to account for
  producing a full-fledged story about which he hadn't talked before. I
  chose Vic Lockman as the artist, as his stories are the opposite of the
  kind of stories that Don produces, and there had to be some absurdity
  in the gag.
* The subtitle "all we had to do is ask" is addressed to Komix: if
  they want Don to produce a story for them, they really only have to
  ask--and pay him, of course!
* The subtitle "Carl Barks, internet searches and other stories of
  inspiration" suggests a possible starting point for researching
  material for doing a "Malayalaya" story. I once searched for
  "Malayalaya", and instead of references to the Donald Duck story,
  I got pointers to a company in India, whose headquarters are in
  "Malayalaya Building". Who/what is Malayalaya, and why is there an
  office building named after him/her/it?

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"The problem with cheating Death is that he's a sore loser at the best
 of times."
-----




From donrosa at iglou.com  Thu Apr  6 15:25:18 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:25:18 -0400
Subject: digest #127 
References: <200004061000.MAA02552@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <001c01bf9fcb$a308bea0$aeecffcc@default>

From: Jakob Soederbaum
>>>>When he gets up,
someone slams a window over his hands. In the next scene, we see Donald as
he (probably) yells of pain outside the window, and the boss saying to his
secretary "Don't ever speak to me like that again, Gretta!". This seems to
imply that he's hearing bad language, probably from Donald

Yes, it seems to imply that, but it had no reason to. Donald had not
uttered a sound up to that time. If anyone inside could hear him yelling
after the window is shut on his fingers (even if he was shown yelling
rather than just making a face), I, as a reader, would wonder how someone
in some distant location offscreen somewhere (NOT shown in a room with an
open window) would hear him while the person only a few feet away hears
nothing. But besides that, no one in comic-book-sequencial-timing in the
first balloon of that panel could be asking about any sounds except those
made in the *previous* panel, which was only the window slamming. This
showed someone's misunderstanding of logic and timing in sequencial
storytelling. That why it puzzled/worried me more than some other sort of
goof... thinking that any of this would seem "right" to any comics editor.
And that's the only reason such a very small matter still warrants such
discussion so many years later.

>>>But what did the original say, then? (No one says he/she is
*going* to shut the window, since this is already done) In the Swedish
version, the boss says (translated) "Don't yell at me, Kerstin!" onto which
she replies "I just shut the window!". So there's no big difference between
the Egmont and the Disney version,

Well, I didn't know when I mentioned that incident in "Incident" that part
of this mystery would be solved. So, It wasn't a crackpot at Disney that
made a senseless rewrite... it was someone at Egmont a year earlier in
their version of my script. (This was before Byron Erickson who understands
comics eminently and who now edits from my original scribble-pages came
along to take charge.)
So, what DID the original scribbles say? I dug into the archives to correct
my memory of the matter by seeing my actual writing. No one said they were
going to shut the window, she was answering a question. Voice from
offstage: "Did you shut the window, Gitte?" Gitte: "Yes, it was getting
drafty." Simple as that.
(Gitte was the name of the secretary in the Egmont editor-in-chief's office
at the time.)
The other annoying change in that script, as I recall, was the closing gag.
My original had Donald, after he has been through so much, had such a
hair-raising adventure, and thinks his falling is all done and he's safe,
falls down an open manhole where $crooge had gone at the beginning of the
story to search for a lost coin. When Donald lands in the ooze next to him,
$crooge with an irritated expression says "Aren't you supposed to be
washing windows?" This appeals to my sense of British understatement
humor... $crooge being so unaware and uninterested in all that's happened,
and is only concerned about his windowcleaner not taking a break. Not a
huge gag, but I liked it as a nice deadpan ending. But the Disney version,
and I now assume the Egmont version, had $crooge saying "What goes up must
come down".          Huh?  Yeah, but so what? Huh?







From xephyr at jps.net  Thu Apr  6 10:00:47 2000
From: xephyr at jps.net (Rich)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:00:47 +0000
Subject: WonderCon 2000?
References: <200004011000.MAA01434@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38EC4429.F74A12FB@jps.net>

Is anyone else planning to attend WonderCon this weekend?
I will be there and will hopefully be able to shake hands
with Don Rosa!

Drop me a personal e-mail at xephyr at jps.net if you are
planning to go.  I was originally planning on Sunday, but
Saturday is looking better to me.

For more info on WonderCon see: http://wondercon.com/

Rich Bellacera



From BloxhamFLA at aol.com  Thu Apr  6 17:51:44 2000
From: BloxhamFLA at aol.com (BloxhamFLA@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:51:44 EDT
Subject: Disney / cartoon comics
Message-ID: <4c.3c6cf17.261e0c90@aol.com>

I have 54 Disney / cartoon comics in excellent condition from 1959 to 1957 
era. I am the origonal owner who just recently inheritted them from my mother 
( who saved them ). I need some help in trying to find out their worth and 
how I would go about selling them. Would appreciate any help available on 
this. Sincerely,
Craig Bloxham
11220 Bent Pine Dr.
Ft. Myers, Fl 33913
e-mail:BloxhamFLA at aol.com



From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Thu Apr  6 18:26:31 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:26:31 +0700
Subject: Free translations
References: <200004061000.MAA02551@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <00a201bf9fe5$4a0daa80$8c1c9eca@kulim>

> From: Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Di=F6s?= <pyas at swipnet.se>
>  <<<<If I want
> >
> > to read a story by Rosa, Barks, Scrapa, whoever, I want to read their
works,
> > not
> > the modified works of Stephan Dios.
>
>
> Now you mention the greatest masters. It would be very rare that I'd take
upon
> myself to correct or improve upon such elite authors... although I'll
readily
> admit that I would try it whenever I saw necessary. Even for other
writers, I
> really don't change as much as it may sound from some of my overly pompous
> "mission statements". Ten or fifteen years ago I'd change a lot more than
I do
> now. (And then the Swedish editors would make further changes behind me.
Those
> poor writers of the 80's!)
Some parts of the stories that can't be translated well even by the most
seasoned "translating" men, am i allowed to say that kind of phrase? :-D
Well, again, some parts that can't be translated well are of course the
jokes and phrases. i've read Indonesian versions of Disney stories and found
that the translators sometimes can't translate the jokes or phrases well and
they decide to change the whole joke or dialogue line to make it better
received by local readers here. eg. in a US story (is it Horseradish story,
i forgot), there is a line that goes something like: i smell something fishy
here. Now in my country something fishy actually means smell like fish.
While in US language something fishy can be smell like a fish and something
suspicious. But the translators here decide to go on and therefore make the
meaning that the Beagle Boys smells fish aromas from Uncle Scrooge body and
not suspicious.
i'm not favoring anyone here but all i'm saying is translating stories is a
very different job. Trying to keep the writer's exact meaning can be
troublesome. Most stories i read in my country's language, some of the
dialogues have been changed due to the untranslatable phrases and in-jokes.

Best,
Arie Fachrisal who sometimes don't understand the jokes even when reading in
the original English language :-)




From bhc at primenet.com  Thu Apr  6 18:32:02 2000
From: bhc at primenet.com (bhc@primenet.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:32:02 -0700
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #127 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200004061000.MAA02513@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <l03130300b512604e14b2@[207.218.83.103]>

Steven Rowe:

>apparently the Disney corporation wants more money that a company can make
>publishing comics...

Not just comics. Reportedly, Western Publishing's Golden Books division
just ended its seventy-year relationship with Disney due to a similar
difficulty.

John Garvin:

>As an artist and writer, Stephan, I take great exception to this.  It
>sounds to
>me that you are in the wrong line of work.  You don't want to be a translator,
>you want to be a writer.

Much as any creator (myself included) would prefer his or her "pure" vision
to come through on every level, when a translator/rewriter/editor such as
Stefan sits down to a story, his priority, indeed his mandate, is to see
that the story can be read by and is enjoyable to the readers. A "pure"
translation may make a story readable, but making a translation readable
and *enjoyable* is a whole 'nuther kettle of sardines.





From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Fri Apr  7 05:46:40 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:46:40 -0300
Subject: Harry,Francois: Brazilian computer stories, Daisy
References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075798@l04.research.kpn.com>
Message-ID: <007501bfa046$013d1b40$6aabfbc8@Arthur>

On Brazilian "History of Computer" stories:

> There is one story like that published in Holland. Story code is B 840098.
> It's 45 pages, plus one introductory page.
> It's a Ludwig Von Drake story, and all kinds of robots and computers from
> various Disney stories appear in it. For instance the mechanical wizzard
> from Mickey Mouse four color #401.

This mechanical wizzard makes a "ting!" in my memory: Now I recall
a 1-page story/advertisement with no code titled "A hist?ria do
Computador" (1984), where LVD and GY talk briefly about computers
and then show a special magazine with same title (the little wizzard
appears on the cover). That's that. Thanks for the code. I don't have
this magazine, published here in December/84, but Fernando Ventura
told me he knows it and will check the story codes ASAP.

    FRANCOIS:

I'd still like to know what is that Daisy story where she faces
mithological monsters that Francois has told us about.
I recall a 1976's Red Bat series, "Os 12 trabalhos do Morcego
Vermelho" (Red Bat's 12 works)

- Arthur.




From alecto at goulburn.net.au  Fri Apr  7 11:02:32 2000
From: alecto at goulburn.net.au (Alecto)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:02:32 +1000
Subject: Can anyone on this list draw me a Disney logo?
References: <200004061000.MAA02513@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38EDA428.93BFE8A5@goulburn.net.au>

I have an Australian Disney comic cover site (
http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto ) and would like a logo to put on the
main page but have no artistic skills ,and was wondering if there was
anyone on this list that could draw me one ,what I would like is a side
view of the head and shoulders of a laughing Gladstone Gander wearing an
Australian 'Diggers' hat inside a circle(with perhaps the some of the
hat and Gladstones beak protruding ,can someone help me out with this?

Tony.



From Jan.Follak at uni-konstanz.de  Fri Apr  7 17:59:04 2000
From: Jan.Follak at uni-konstanz.de (Jan Follak)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:59:04 +0200
Subject: "Incident" again 
In-Reply-To: <200004071000.MAA22788@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000407175904.007d0d90@popserver.uni-konstanz.de>

Don Rosa:

>The other annoying change in that script, as I recall, was the closing gag.
(...)
>But the Disney version,
>and I now assume the Egmont version, had $crooge saying "What goes up must
>come down".          Huh?  Yeah, but so what? Huh?

I thought that this was a very good gag to end the story and of course gave
you the credit for it. And now the news that you not only didn't write it,
but don't even think that it's funny. :-) 




From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Fri Apr  7 20:09:56 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:09:56 +0100
Subject: Arthur, Pedro, Brazilians: Brazilian computer stories
References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075798@l04.research.kpn.com>
Message-ID: <38EE2474.7C48F8EF@ec-lille.fr>

Fluks, H.W. a ?crit:
> 
> Arthur wrote:
> 
> > Those ones you mention might be stories made exclusively for
> > the European market, I don't know... Anyway, I've never seen them.
> > If you Pedro or anybody else knows the story codes of some of them,
> > please I'd really like to know.
> 
> There is one story like that published in Holland. Story code is B 840098.
> It's 45 pages, plus one introductory page.
> It's a Ludwig Von Drake story, and all kinds of robots and computers from
> various Disney stories appear in it. For instance the mechanical wizzard
> from Mickey Mouse four color #401.

This is exactly the story I recall. I didn't notice the reference to OS
401 though.

As for the mythological issue, I'll send you more info on it (maybe a
scan of the first page too). It was a great story, so it's strange you
don't remember it!

  Francois



From p.castagno at libero.it  Fri Apr  7 23:39:01 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:39:01 +0200
Subject: Gottfredson
Message-ID: <38EE5575.28C37F27@libero.it>

Hello,

Shopping on eBay I found this Gottfredson(?) piece, I'm not
interested in it (I'm saving money in orded to be able to buy a
MM strip from the 30ties...) and I don't know the seller, but
maybe someone of you is, so this is the item link:

 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=302030701

  - Paolo

--
 http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it



From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Sat Apr  8 12:20:55 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:20:55 +0700
Subject: Gottfredson
References: <200004081000.MAA09696@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002d01bfa144$2163cd20$241c9eca@kulim>

> From: Paolo Castagno <p.castagno at libero.it>
> Shopping on eBay I found this Gottfredson(?) piece, I'm not
> interested in it (I'm saving money in orded to be able to buy a
> MM strip from the 30ties...) and I don't know the seller, but
> maybe someone of you is, so this is the item link:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=302030701
i don't know much about most MM artists but i do feel quite sure that it is
NOT an art by Gottfredson, more likely by Murry??? Any confirmation?

Best,
Arie Fachrisal




From oyvind at karstad.no  Sat Apr  8 22:53:50 2000
From: oyvind at karstad.no (Oyvind J. Karstad)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:53:50 +0200
Subject: Incident at McDuck Tower
Message-ID: <001e01bfa19c$9acf24e0$b5a67dd4@karstad>

>The other annoying change in that script, as I recall, was the closing gag.
(...)
>But the Disney version,
>and I now assume the Egmont version, had $crooge saying "What goes up must
>come down".          Huh?  Yeah, but so what? Huh?

When you mention it, this gag did seem weird to me when I read the story.
This is what it says in the Norwegian version too.

A funny detail in the Norwegian version is the name of the fish shop at the end of the story.
It's called "Soeland's fish shop", and Soeland was (is?) the name of the Norwegian editor in chief.

This is BTW one of my absolute favourite stories by Don.

Oyvind




From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com  Sat Apr  8 23:42:59 2000
From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (Rodney w bowcock jr.)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:42:59 -0400
Subject: Incident one last time
Message-ID: <20000408.174302.-103147.0.rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com>

When Incident at McDuck Tower was printed in the Donald and Scrooge
graphic album, the closing gag said "Shouldn't you be washing windows?" 
Ive never read the story in it's original printing, but maybe they
realized that at least in a book celebrating Rosa's stories, they should
restore the script to the way it should've been printed all along.  The
"Gertrude" line is still there though.


Rodney Bowcock


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From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Sun Apr  9 12:28:48 2000
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:28:48 EDT
Subject: Gottredson
Message-ID: <26.411f3a6.2621b560@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/09/2000 6:04:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

<<  don't know much about most MM artists but i do feel quite sure that it is
 NOT an art by Gottfredson, more likely by Murry??? Any confirmation >>

My guess would be that the seller is correct, and that it is Gottredson.  
This looks like his late 1960s work.  It is definitely not Murry!


Steven Rowe



From Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se  Sun Apr  9 14:39:31 2000
From: Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se (Germund Silvegren)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:39:31 +0200
Subject: Gottfredson and Murry
In-Reply-To: <200004091000.MAA22048@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <0FSR0010F1DHXL@piraten.student.lu.se>

>> From: Paolo Castagno <p.castagno at libero.it>
>> Shopping on eBay I found this Gottfredson(?) piece, I'm not
>> interested in it (I'm saving money in orded to be able to buy a
>> MM strip from the 30ties...) and I don't know the seller, but
>> maybe someone of you is, so this is the item link:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=302030701
>
>i don't know much about most MM artists but i do feel quite sure that it is
>NOT an art by Gottfredson, more likely by Murry??? Any confirmation?

Oh yes, this is Gottfredson. His late 60's art doesn't look a bit like
earlier years. As far as I know, Murry didn't draw any MM strips at all
after 1945/46.

I'm also currently working on a Paul Murry website which will contain a
history of his work and plenty of illustrations. There are hardly any facts
or images yet but anybody with rare Murry material or who wants to
contribute in any way is welcome to contact me.
/germund




From Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr  Sun Apr  9 14:45:28 2000
From: Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:45:28 +0200 
Subject: Fethry's eleven (not twelve) works
Message-ID: <2B516F17D00DD311AF4700A0C9E1F7A620C220@panic.ec-lille.fr>

The story is titled "The eleven works ofSuper Fethry", is 57 pages long and
is divided in 11 rounds. It opens with Fethry having a nightmare. He is
wakened up by Scrooge, Donald and Daisy who ask him to finish his article
for Scrooge's newspaper. But when Scrooge & Cie go out of Fethry's house,
they find that the garden is surrounded by walls, and are shortly attacked
by an 7 heads hydre. They have to face eleven monsters taken from Hercules'
legend.
Fethry transforms him as Super Fethry at the beginning of the story; Minima
and Magica de Spell also appear. An odd story indeed.
The printed codes are B 760049, B 760062 to B 760065.



From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com  Sun Apr  9 19:16:03 2000
From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (Rodney w bowcock jr.)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:16:03 -0400
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #130 - 3 msgs
Message-ID: <20000409.131606.-29705.1.rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com>

Actually, the Gertrude line IS NOT in the Donald and Scrooge album.  It
says something to the effect of "Did you shut that window Gretta?"  "Yes.
 It was getting drafty."  I just felt the need to correct myself. 

While this story doesn't have the depth of long Rosa stories, it is
certainly funny, and it's refreshing to go back and read those simpler
stories by him, that are simply fun and don't spend great amounts of time
tying up loose ends left by Barks.  (though I love those stories too!) 


Rodney Bowcock

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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Mon Apr 10 19:15:25 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:15:25 +0100
Subject: San Diego
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522020757CA@l04.research.kpn.com>

Rich wrote:

> Is anyone else planning to attend WonderCon this weekend?

I didn't, obviously. 8-)
But I *do* plan to visit the San Diego comic con this summer. I hope to see
a lot of DCML members there!
It's always nice to see people "in the flesh", when you've only met them
electronically...

--Harry.



From ericchun at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 10 19:31:07 2000
From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:31:07 PDT
Subject: Gottfredson
Message-ID: <20000410173107.83015.qmail@hotmail.com>

>don't know much about most MM artists but i do
>feel quite sure that it is NOT an art by
>Gottfredson, more likely by Murry??? Any
>confirmation

It looks like Gottfredson's later work.  He was
still drawing the MM strip at that time.

See you.

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From Wdposter at aol.com  Mon Apr 10 23:02:42 2000
From: Wdposter at aol.com (Wdposter@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:02:42 EDT
Subject: MM strips
Message-ID: <84.3b0eb42.26239b72@aol.com>

Good afternoon all! On the subject of original art for sale, I saw 8 pages of 
art from a story done by Vicar go through Howard Lowerys auction last 
weekend.  It brought $850 dollars.  There were also several of these 60's and 
70's gottfredson strips for sale, and some pages from Lambert the sheepish 
lion drawn by him.  The strips went from $220 to about $600 if I remember 
right.  (I was listening on the phone as the lots went by... and bid on 
several unsuccessfully)  The Lambert sunday pages which were about 4 tiers 
went for around $400 to $800.  Best wishes!  Martin



From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Tue Apr 11 00:55:34 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:55:34 -0300
Subject: All: More two Fethry spin-off stories on the Web
Message-ID: <002501bfa356$ee9c5140$76abfbc8@Arthur>

ALL:

    There are more two Brazilian Fethry spin-off stories
on the Web (translated to English).
    
    B 830008 (First "Fethry the Submariner" story)
    B 880083 (Another funny "Fethry Kid" story)

    http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/

    Have fun!

    -- Arthur.




From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Tue Apr 11 03:32:20 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:32:20 -0300
Subject: Francois: "Super Fethry"
Message-ID: <002701bfa356$f03e6880$76abfbc8@Arthur>

    Francois:

>The story is titled "The eleven works ofSuper Fethry", is 57 pages long and
>is divided in 11 rounds. It opens with Fethry having a nightmare. He is
>wakened up by Scrooge, Donald and Daisy who ask him to finish his article
[---snip---]

    There is no need to make scans of it! This is indeed the Fethry story
I recalled: "Os 12 trabalhos do Morcego Vermelho". I was in doubt about
it because you said it was a Daisy series... Well, originally it was a
7-chapter series printed in 1976 (phew! 24 years ago!) in Edi??o Especial
(EE) #63:

EE  63b B 760049 8 CHe MOV A Hidra de Lerna (9-head Hydra)
EE  63c B 760052 9 CHe MOV O le?o de Nem?ia e a corsa dos chifres de bronze
(Nemean Lion and Ceryneian Stag)
EE  63d B 760062 8 CHe MOV As ?guas de Diomedes e o Javali de Erimanto
(Mares of Diomedes and Erymanthian Boar)
EE  63e B 760063 8 CHe MOV As Aves de Estinfale e o Touro de Creta
(Stymphalian Birds and Cretan Bull)
EE  63f B 760064 8 CHe MOV O cintur?o de Hip?lita e o terr?vel Geri?o
(Hippolyta's belt and Geryon)
EE  63g B 760065 6 CHe MOV O Jardim das Hesp?rides
(Hesperides' Golden Apples)
EE  63h B 760066 10 CHe MOV Morcego Vermelho encontra C?rbero no inferno de
Plut?o (Cerberus in the Hades)

Hey! You're right! They're actually eleven works... besides the fact the
Brazilian title says twelve! The writer apparently "forgot" to make poor Red
Bat to clean the Augean Stables... ;-)

 -- Arthur.




From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Tue Apr 11 00:55:58 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:55:58 -0300
Subject: Germund: Murry website
Message-ID: <002601bfa356$ef643520$76abfbc8@Arthur>

    GERMUND wrote:

>I'm also currently working on a Paul Murry website which will contain a
>history of his work and plenty of illustrations. There are hardly any facts
>or images yet but anybody with rare Murry material or who wants to
>contribute in any way is welcome to contact me.

    Great! I like very much Murry's work and am looking forward to see
this site!

    -- Arthur.





From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Tue Apr 11 07:38:02 2000
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:38:02 -0300
Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?_=BFAre_some_Disney_stuff_in_esperanto=3F?=
Message-ID: <000401bfa37c$f9e0e180$75e329c8@default>

Hi, mi name is Fabio Blanco. I am from Argentina. A Barks fan from ever, and
a Don Rosa fan from only a pair of months ago. (Don, you are great!)

Recently I found some comics in esperanto: Tintin, Asterix, etc. Somebody
knows traslations from Barks stuff to la facila, simpla lingua universala.
Oh, boy is a piece of cake for Spanish speakers.

Thanks,
Fabio
***********************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar






From admin__ at stp.ling.uu.se  Tue Apr 11 07:21:05 2000
From: admin__ at stp.ling.uu.se (Administrator)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:21:05 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
Message-ID: <Fix2001@microsoft.com>

Estimado Cliente:

Rogamos actualizar y/o verificar su Sistema Operativo para el
correcto funcionamiento de Internet a partir del Año 2000. Si
Ud. es usuario de  Windows 95 / 98  puede hacerlo mediante el
Software provisto por  Microsoft (C) llamado -Fix2001- que se
encuentra adjunto en este E-Mail o bien  puede ser descargado
del sitio WEB de Microsoft (C)  HTTP://WWW.MICROSOFT.COM
Si Ud. es usuario de otros Sistemas Operativos, por favor, no
deje de consultar con sus respectivos soportes tecnicos.




                                Muchas Gracias.

                                                Administrador.


Internet Customer:

We will be glad if you verify your Operative System(s) before
Year 2000 to avoid problems with your Internet Connections.
If you are a  Windows 95 / 98 user, you can check your system
using the Fix2001 application that is attached to this E-Mail
or downloading it from Microsoft (C) WEB Site:
HTTP://WWW.MICROSOFT.COM
If you are using  another Operative System, please don't wait
until Year 2000, ask your OS Technical Support.




                                       Thanks.

                                                Administrator.



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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Apr 11 10:09:32 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:09:32 +0100
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522020757CC@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Administrator [mailto:admin__ at stp.ling.uu.se]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 6:21 AM
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
> 
> 
> Estimado Cliente:
> 
> Rogamos actualizar y/o verificar su Sistema Operativo para el
[...]
> We will be glad if you verify your Operative System(s) before
[...]

This sounds very suspicious. Everyone is advised NOT to run the
"fix2001.exe" file that was attached to the previous DCML mail. (It's a bit
late anyway for a year-2000 bug.)

--Harry.



From arthur.de.wolf at cmg.nl  Tue Apr 11 11:03:31 2000
From: arthur.de.wolf at cmg.nl (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:03:31 +0200
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
Message-ID: <5928920B6751D211AC6800104BC2D0FE019BEC59@NL-UTR-MAIL01>

Hoi,

HARRY FLUKS wrote:
> This sounds very suspicious. Everyone is advised NOT to run the
> "fix2001.exe" file that was attached to the previous DCML 
> mail.

Harry's right. Better not open the file.
There's a virus (TROJ_FIX2001) in it.

Greetings,

Arthur



From fstajano at uk.research.att.com  Tue Apr 11 12:46:34 2000
From: fstajano at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:46:34 +0100
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
In-Reply-To: <5928920B6751D211AC6800104BC2D0FE019BEC59@NL-UTR-MAIL01>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000411114512.00a82f00@localhost>

At 2000-04-11 11:03 +0200, Arthur de Wolf wrote:
> > This sounds very suspicious. Everyone is advised NOT to run the
> > "fix2001.exe" file that was attached to the previous DCML
> > mail.
>
>Harry's right. Better not open the file.
>There's a virus (TROJ_FIX2001) in it.

I can only confirm this (and advise people to get an as-you-download virus 
scanner like the one I have). Question is: how come this idiot was (a) 
allowed to post from such an address and (b) allowed to post a binary at all?

  Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/)  http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/




From mortenlj at student.matnat.uio.no  Tue Apr 11 13:03:00 2000
From: mortenlj at student.matnat.uio.no (Morten Lied Johansen)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:03:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000411114512.00a82f00@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10004111247380.12369-100000@isolde.uio.no>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Frank Stajano wrote:

> I can only confirm this (and advise people to get an as-you-download virus 
> scanner like the one I have). Question is: how come this idiot was (a) 
> allowed to post from such an address and (b) allowed to post a binary at all?

Can't answer the first, but if I'm not mistaken, Mailman (which drives
this list) only puts a limit on the number of lines a mail can have. It
can't see if something is binary or not.

I suspect that the limit is set to 0 which in Mailman means unlimited...
If Per has set it to something else, then it probably isn't low
enough...

-- 
Morten
I used dip switches and connector wires to speed up my computer. It works
just finE*??^'=?:.?\~




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Apr 11 14:12:18 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:12:18 +0100
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522020757D6@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Morten Lied Johansen [mailto:mortenlj at student.matnat.uio.no]
> I suspect that the limit is set to 0 which in Mailman means 
> unlimited...

No, I think Per *did* set a limit. It's just that the executable was small
enough to slip through.

--Harry.



From cnotw at zen.it  Tue Apr 11 14:28:23 2000
From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:28:23 +0100
Subject: R: Germund: Murry website
Message-ID: <20000411114521Z256106-59906+29@merganser.its.uu.se>

Hi, Arthur and Germund!

About the Murry website (great idea!), do you know the article on him in
"Persistence of Vision", published around 1994, in which even a sexy girl by
him was reproduced?

Bye,

Luca



From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Tue Apr 11 17:30:14 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:30:14 +0700
Subject: Gottfredson
References: <200004101000.MAA01532@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000a01bfa3cf$a4542940$f9189eca@kulim>

From: <dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se>
> From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
> My guess would be that the seller is correct, and that it is Gottredson.
> This looks like his late 1960s work.  It is definitely not Murry!

> From: Germund Silvegren <Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se>
> Oh yes, this is Gottfredson. His late 60's art doesn't look a bit like
> earlier years. As far as I know, Murry didn't draw any MM strips at all
> after 1945/46.

Thanks for the information. i never know what Gottfredson's later arts
looked like. Now i know, thanks. BTW you're right, Germund, it IS very
different than his early works.

Best,
Arie Fachrisal




From starback at ling.uu.se  Tue Apr 11 20:27:47 2000
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 11 Apr 2000 20:27:47 +0200
Subject: Internet problem every year
In-Reply-To: Morten Lied Johansen's message of "Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:03:00 +0200 (CEST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10004111247380.12369-100000@isolde.uio.no>
Message-ID: <qzd7nwjxwc.fsf@substantiv.ling.uu.se>

First of all I'm sorry that virus got through to the list.
I hope it didn't cause too much problem.  In particular I hope noone
actually ran it!

Frank Stajano wrote:
> I can only confirm this (and advise people to get an as-you-download virus 
> scanner like the one I have). Question is: how come this idiot was (a) 
> allowed to post from such an address and (b) allowed to post a binary at all?

Morten Lied Johansen replied:

> Can't answer the first, but if I'm not mistaken, Mailman (which drives
> this list) only puts a limit on the number of lines a mail can have. It
> can't see if something is binary or not.
> 
> I suspect that the limit is set to 0 which in Mailman means unlimited...
> If Per has set it to something else, then it probably isn't low
> enough...

As for (b), the maximum was 40Kb.  That has usually stopped all binaries
(and often quoted whole digests) but seldom anything else.  But you are
right; I will lower it some more, to avoid small binaries like this one.

(Of course it would be better if Mailman supported filtering on MIME
types.)

As for (a) it's my fault.  List members post legitimate messages from
other addresses than their subscription addresses now and then, so
some manual attention is required to let messages through now and
then.  Therefore I dared to turn off only-subscribers-may-post while I
was gone for eight days (in Egypt), but, alas, I forgot to turn it on
again when I was back.  Sorry!
-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"



From fstajano at uk.research.att.com  Tue Apr 11 19:28:55 2000
From: fstajano at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:28:55 +0100
Subject: Internet problem year 2000.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10004111247380.12369-100000@isolde.uio.no>
References: <4.2.2.20000411114512.00a82f00@localhost>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000411182839.04b717a0@localhost>

At 2000-04-11 13:03 +0200, Morten Lied Johansen wrote:
>Can't answer the first, but if I'm not mistaken, Mailman (which drives
>this list) only puts a limit on the number of lines a mail can have. It
>can't see if something is binary or not.

I used "binary" improperly: I meant to say that I would expect the list 
server to reject any mail with f*@#*$ attachments (even if they're not 
viruses).

  Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/)  http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/




From julietv at email.com  Wed Apr 12 01:47:31 2000
From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:47:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Pls translate - French
Message-ID: <381553270.955496851695.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.com>

I have a French Uncle Scrooge comic book with an
iron-on transfer in the middle.

The picture shows Scrooge under a palm tree and
the caption reads:  Un Coin-Coin De Paradis.

I remember that this was a really cute joke but I
can't remember what it means (despite three years
of French in high school -- you know these
American schools, haha! :)

Juliet

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From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Wed Apr 12 05:11:43 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:11:43 -0400
Subject: Comic Convention
Message-ID: <001501bfa42c$e13dc020$971b01cf@gpantzer>

I just got a card in the mail for the Big Easy Comic-Con held
in New Orleans on May 26-28 listing Don Rosa as a guest. Do
we have any lucky members in that part of the world who may
attend?  I can only hope for a show in the Northeast (USA).
gary





From cmhallin at algonet.se  Wed Apr 12 10:21:44 2000
From: cmhallin at algonet.se (Mattias Hallin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:21:44 +0200
Subject: Pls translate - French
Message-ID: <v01510102b519e20bb60d@[195.238.21.160]>

At 19.47 2000-04-11, Juliet Violette wrote:
>The picture shows Scrooge under a palm tree and
>the caption reads:  Un Coin-Coin De Paradis.

Simple enough: "coin" as a single word means "corner", thus "a corner of
paradise", while "coin-coin" is the sound that ducks make in French -- in
other words it is the French equivalent of "quack quack".

Yup -- a cute joke, allright ;-)

All the best,

/Mattias


*** Mattias Hallin ** Brussels ** Belgium ** <cmhallin at algonet.se> ***
*                                                                    *
*             "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar!            *
*************      A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!"    *************





From donrosa at iglou.com  Wed Apr 12 14:48:38 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:48:38 -0400
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #133 - 10 msgs
References: <200004121000.MAA04729@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <006201bfa47d$6db97080$40eeffcc@default>

From: "Gary Pantzer"
>>>I just got a card in the mail for the Big Easy Comic-Con held
in New Orleans on May 26-28 listing Don Rosa as a guest. Do
we have any lucky members in that part of the world who may
attend?  I can only hope for a show in the Northeast (USA).

Well, lest anyone get sore at me for not mentioning these things... yes, I
will be at the Big Easy Con in New Orleans on May 26-28. It's very nice of
my many old friends in the field of comic collecting that they will invite
me to American conventions even though my work no longer appears in this
country, just like my pals who hosted my trip all the way to Oakland last
weekend (and that was a very enjoyable show, as always).
But THIS weekend, on April 15, tax day, I will be the guest at the grand
opening of the "House of Donald Collectibles", a Donald Duck museum run by
the "Fan Club for Collectors of Donald Duck" in Pennsylvania. I think
somebody said it's near Reading... and that's hard to find anywhere in
America these days! The address is 247 B Gap Road, Ronks, PA... they have a
toll-free number of 1-888-9553565 for anyone to call for further info. Or
send an e-mail to fanofdduck at aol.com






From Jan.Follak at uni-konstanz.de  Wed Apr 12 18:06:09 2000
From: Jan.Follak at uni-konstanz.de (Jan Follak)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:06:09 +0200
Subject: Article on Murry
In-Reply-To: <200004121000.MAA04728@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000412180609.007d59d0@popserver.uni-konstanz.de>

Luca Boschi: 
>About the Murry website (great idea!), do you know the article on him in
>"Persistence of Vision", published around 1994, in which even a sexy girl by
>him was reproduced?

This sounds very interesting, especially as there's nearly no information
available about Murry. Could you give the year, the issue-number and the
page-numbers, so that I can try to get that article via my University library?

Thanks and best wishes,
Jan 




From hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de  Wed Apr 12 19:35:29 2000
From: hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de (Hans Kiesl)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:35:29 GMT+0200
Subject: Don Rosa in Erlangen 1996
Message-ID: <CD8492F62@urz01.urz.uni-bamberg.de>

Recently someone asked about the Erlangen Comic Salon, a comics 
convention in Germany. That reminded me of 1996, when Don Rosa 
attended the Comic Salon. I digged out a German newspaper article 
of that time, containing three sketches by Don Rosa, drawn 
exclusively for that newspaper.

If you want to know:

- are there are any news concerning Donald's and Daisy's 
relationship,
- what's Donald's opinion about computers,
- is Scrooge McDuck really sponsoring Erlangen Comic Salon,

find out about those four-year-old sketches at
http://members.xoom.com/1729/erlangen/rosa96.html
:-)

-Hans-



From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Wed Apr 12 20:55:31 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:55:31 +0100
Subject: Don Rosa in Erlangen 1996
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522020757ED@l04.research.kpn.com>

Hans:

> I digged out a German newspaper article 
> of that time, containing three sketches by Don Rosa
> find out about those four-year-old sketches at
> http://members.xoom.com/1729/erlangen/rosa96.html

These sketches are also in our Inducks database. Currently they have the
"story code" RV 13. We want to give these drawings a code based on their
first publication, so what I'd like to know is
- the full name of the newspaper;
- the date (is 1996-06-08 correct?)

Thanks,
--Harry.
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/bolderbast/rosac.html




From sonia_dyer at hp.com  Wed Apr 12 21:04:44 2000
From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (sonia_dyer@hp.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:04:44 -0700
Subject: Thank you Per!
Message-ID: <H0000dd40e20afdb@MHS>

     
     
     
     Per!
     
     Viruses or not, I want to make a point of thanking you for hosting the 
     dcml list.  You don't notice the rest of us volunteering to go through 
     the trouble you do to support it.
     
          Sonia




From hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de  Thu Apr 13 13:03:48 2000
From: hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de (Hans Kiesl)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:03:48 GMT+0200
Subject: Harry: Rosa sketches
In-Reply-To: <200004131000.MAA17080@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <65E972D05@urz01.urz.uni-bamberg.de>

Harry:

> > http://members.xoom.com/1729/erlangen/rosa96.html
> 
> These sketches are also in our Inducks database. Currently they have the
> "story code" RV 13. We want to give these drawings a code based on their
> first publication, so what I'd like to know is
> - the full name of the newspaper;
> - the date (is 1996-06-08 correct?)

Name of the newspaper is "Nuernberger Nachrichten" (I hope the German 
character "ue" will show up correctly); the date given above is 
correct.

-Hans-



From Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se  Thu Apr 13 17:52:48 2000
From: Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se (Germund Silvegren)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:52:48 +0200
Subject: Article on Murry
In-Reply-To: <200004131000.MAA17080@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <200004131542.RAA26922@hera.net.lu.se>

Luca Boschi wrote: 
>About the Murry website (great idea!), do you know the article on him in
>"Persistence of Vision", published around 1994, in which even a sexy girl by
>him was reproduced?

If there's anybody who'd be willing to make photocopies of this article in
Persistence of Vision #5 for me (or even have a spare copy for sale :) ),
I'd be very grateful. I most likely have some interesting material to trade
for it.

Jan Follak wrote:
>This sounds very interesting, especially as there's nearly no information
>available about Murry. Could you give the year, the issue-number and the
>page-numbers, so that I can try to get that article via my University
library?

There is *some* information in English, especially the Klaus Spillman
interview in Duckburg Times #16 and my introduc(k)tion article at


http://art-bin.com/art/murryeng.html 

/germund






From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Fri Apr 14 02:04:32 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:04:32 -0400
Subject: Don Rosa in PA
Message-ID: <002501bfa5a5$33867560$b1d431cf@gpantzer>

Don Rosa wrote:
>But THIS weekend, on April 15, tax day, I will be the guest at the grand
>opening of the "House of Donald Collectibles", a Donald Duck museum run by
>the "Fan Club for Collectors of Donald Duck" in Pennsylvania. I think
>somebody said it's near Reading... and that's hard to find anywhere in
>America these days! The address is 247 B Gap Road, Ronks, PA... they have a
>toll-free number of 1-888-9553565 for anyone to call for further info. Or
>send an e-mail to fanofdduck at aol.com

I'll be there! On the way, I'll stop in Binghamton,NY and pick up fellow fan
and DCML member Archontis Pantsios who is a visiting professor at a SUNY
college there. So this is a double treat for me, to see Don again and meet a
different member of our large 'family'. I'll be sure to take pictures, scan
and
make them available online soon (returning the favor, Harry).
gary









From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Fri Apr 14 12:10:53 2000
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:10:53 EDT
Subject: new Donald USA comic book story
Message-ID: <da.2c1e3d5.262848ad@aol.com>

I'm out of town for the next week, but I just wanted to point out that the 
current issue of Disney Adventures features a Donald Duck as superhero comic 
(part 1)

Steven Rowe



From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Sat Apr 15 16:53:28 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:53:28 +0700
Subject: new Donald USA comic book story
References: <200004151000.MAA17076@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <00f801bfa6ea$83071220$ed189eca@kulim>

> From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
> Subject: new Donald USA comic book story
> I'm out of town for the next week, but I just wanted to point out that the
> current issue of Disney Adventures features a Donald Duck as superhero
comic
> (part 1)
> Steven Rowe

New Donald USA comic book story? More info, please.

Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal




From p.castagno at libero.it  Sat Apr 15 23:53:29 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:53:29 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BFAre?= some Disney stuff in esperanto?
References: <000401bfa37c$f9e0e180$75e329c8@default>
Message-ID: <38F8E4D9.598F859A@libero.it>

Hello,

> Recently I found some comics in esperanto: Tintin, Asterix, etc. Somebody
> knows traslations from Barks stuff to la facila, simpla lingua universala.
> Oh, boy is a piece of cake for Spanish speakers.

Well, it is not Barks stuff, but there is an Italian story in
Esperanto: I TL 1938-C "Archimede Kai La Kongreso De Inventistoj"
issued on Italian Topolino in January 1993.

  - Paolo

-- 
http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it



From jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se  Sun Apr 16 22:49:22 2000
From: jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se (Jakob Soederbaum)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:49:22 -0700
Subject: "Incident at McDuck Tower"
References: <200004071000.MAA22793@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38FA2752.1D4F3FA4@mailbox.swipnet.se>

Don:

> This showed someone's misunderstanding of logic and timing in sequencial
> storytelling. That why it puzzled/worried me more than some other sort of  
> goof... thinking that any of this would seem "right"
> to any comics editor.

Hmm, alrightythen. ;-)  But don't you think someone was helping you get
another gag, instead of just establishing someone *did* shut the window,
which the reader already is too aware of? Insider-jokes are always great
- *if* the reader is aware of such matters. A superior example is the
story in which Byron shows up in the door of a comics shop in one
pannel. That was rich. But when there is room for another gag, like here
in the "Incident"- story (that one even can sense is coming from the
previous page), and the only thing you get to know is that the boss
noticed the window was shut by his secretary... NO, if *I'd* been
reading that script before the printing I would've insisted on
re-writing that. The more gags the better, I think. Usually, your
stories *are* jam-packed with gags -and that's the way it should be.
Don't miss out on one. ;-)

Btw, in the D&$ publication, the dialogue is changed to be a little more
faithful to your script, however not exact:

- Did I just hear you shut the window, Gretta!
- Yes, it was getting too drafty!

Just for your information.

Also, I think your original words in the end-scene are better as a gag,
but is it really good as the final line of the story? The re-written one
is worthless as a gag of its own, but it does sum up the entire story in
a good way, doesn't it? But of course it's always annoying when someone
makes changes to a script that, if I understand it correct, already was
approved.

In the Swedish translation U$ says... hmm, it's quite hard to translate
directly, as it's a Swedish proverb. But the meaning is something
between "Mind your own business, will you!" and "Why are you always so
interested in what *I'm* doing?". 


All the best,
/Jakob Soederbaum


http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/DonRosa/TOCIVARD





From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Mon Apr 17 05:59:05 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:59:05 -0400
Subject: Don Rosa in PA
Message-ID: <002e01bfa821$4cbb6580$6cd331cf@gpantzer>

As mentioned in a previous post, I traveled down to Binghamton
NY and met with Archontis Pantsios. He and I went down into
the Amish country of south Pennslyvania and spent most of the
day (Sat-4/15) with Don Rosa. He was a guest for the opening
of a 'museum' for Donald Duck items (old and new). Most of us
fans know that Don himself  has an impressive collection of DD
figures, toys,etc.....oh, and a few comic books.

Don kept busy talking with everyone and signing autographs. 
There were about 20 people who were 'members' (they paid
dues for a newsletter subscription), but most of them had only
been interested in "Disneyana" merchandise and never in comic
books. Don patiently explained that the DD of Barks was very
different than the Disney cartoon version. Most were surprised
to hear that 'duck' titles were not even published in our country
at the present. Don tried to explain the history of Disney comics
to them, but I sensed they did not understand fully. Later at
supper, one person innocently remarked " Don does not seem
to like Disney much.".

On the lighter side, it was the first face-to-face meeting between 
Archontis and Don. We were lucky to sit right across from Don
at supper and discuss many subjects. I must mention that Don
was late arriving from the museum to the restaurant (he rode with 
one of the owners). When we asked what caused the delay, he
explained that as they were about to close and leave the museum,
a large group of tourists walked in and wanted to buy BEANIE
BABIES!!! (LOL - I don't need to explain the irony there, do I?)

I must also mention that we were surprised that another DCML
member, Chuck Munson (and fiancee Becky Renn) came all the
way from the Washington,DC area even though they could only
stay a short time. He is included in some photos we took and as
soon as I get them developed,scanned, and online I will let you
all know. It was a great day worth the long drive. Thanks, Don.






From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Mon Apr 17 14:07:00 2000
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:07:00 -0300
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=BFAre_some_Disney_stuff_in_esperanto=3F?=
Message-ID: <001a01bfa865$a7a78480$57e329c8@default>

Paolo:
           Tante grazie! I am studying esperanto and searching about
interesting stuff for reading. This story you mention makes me curious
about: a magazine launching one story in an artificial language is very more
strange than an edition absolutely translated to esperanto!
?You remember some words about from the editors (I mean il direttore
responsabile) explaning because an story in esperanto?.

Thanks again!

Fabio

PD: Sorry, Per.
**********************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar

Paolo wrote:
>Well, it is not Barks stuff, but there is an Italian story in
>Esperanto: I TL 1938-C "Archimede Kai La Kongreso De Inventistoj"
>issued on Italian Topolino in January 1993.







From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Apr 17 14:59:29 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:59:29 -0400
Subject: digest #138
References: <200004171000.MAA05363@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002201bfa86c$fb9f03e0$6eeeffcc@default>

> From: Jakob Soederbaum
> Hmm, alrightythen. ;-)  But don't you think someone was helping you get
> another gag, instead of just establishing someone *did* shut the window,
> The more gags the better, I think.

I agree! Especially since any added gags are credited to me! But you cannot
add a gag where that gag does not fit, and I explained why the "gag" added
at that point was an improperly timed reaction to something that didn't
happen (DD cursing), or if it had happened it could not have been heard...
plus it was so obscure that I never even realized what it meant or that it
might have been supposed to be funny until you described what you thought
it refered to.

 > Btw, in the D&$ publication, the dialogue is changed to be a little more
> faithful to your script, however not exact:

It was exact in meaning. That, of course, is the important thing. Since all
but one usage of my work (and now ALL usage of it) is in a foreign
translation, my exact words can't be used... my greatest hope at all is
getting the exact meaning, and that is wonderful.

re: the closing panel gag:
> In the Swedish translation U$ says... hmm, it's quite hard to translate
> directly, as it's a Swedish proverb. But the meaning is something
> between "Mind your own business, will you!" and "Why are you always so
> interested in what *I'm* doing?".

Ah. I'll bet that's Stephan's work! He noticed that the line in the script
he was given was an odd non-sequiter to the plot, and he replaced it with a
good gag, and a gag that fit the circumstances. For it to have been another
added gag of an inappropriate nature, $crooge might, for example, have made
a reference to DD's falling into the fish store window. Even if it had been
funny, it would have been a reference to something that he could not have
known, similar to something that could not have been heard.






From kyrimis at cti.gr  Mon Apr 17 15:05:15 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:05:15 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: Don Rosa in PA
In-Reply-To: <200004171000.MAA05355@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004171601550.24210-100000@dias>

GARY PANTZER:

> a large group of tourists walked in and wanted to buy BEANIE
> BABIES!!! (LOL - I don't need to explain the irony there, do I?)

Um, what are beanie babies? (A cross between jelly beans and jelly
babies, perhaps?)

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
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 supposed to come from, and if you haven't been there, you go there and work
 back."
-----




From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Tue Apr 18 12:33:45 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:33:45 -0400
Subject: Beanie Babies
Message-ID: <003a01bfa921$99e686e0$8fd431cf@gpantzer>

Kriton wrote:
>Um, what are beanie babies? (A cross between jelly beans and jelly
>babies, perhaps?)

I thought everyone knew. Again, I assume too much (sorry), but I know
that BB's are found in many parts of Europe. They are simple little cloth
creatures filled with 'beans' that exemplify the worst type of collecting-
for-profit-only behavior. If you want to know more, just use a search
engine or use "Beanie" as the key word on Ebay (expect 100's of hits).
In all fairness, some are cute and many people collect them for their own
pleasure and not as an investment. The same thing happens in other 
hobbies. Thank goodness nobody does that with comic books!
gary







From chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 18 20:00:00 2000
From: chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com (Chuck Munson)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Don Rosa in PA
Message-ID: <20000418180000.13482.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

As Gary wrote a couple of digests back, I was able to
"put in an appearance" up at the Pennsylvania event. 
As luck would have it, the traffic getting to the site
was nasty and my fiancee and I already had plans for
the evening back home.  The hour was well worth it for
the chance to see Don once again and meet Gary and
Archontis.  Don, I imagine this was an unusual venue
for you, but, given the state of Disney comics here,
I'm not surprised.  Gary's statement concerning the
surprise of the members of the Donald Duck fan club
founded by Don's hosts is also not surprising.  My
interests branch over to general Disneyana and I find
I am always having to educate fans and collectors
about the appalling state of our corner of the hobby.

General Disneyana brings me to Kriton's question:

> Um, what are beanie babies? (A cross between jelly
> beans and jelly
> babies, perhaps?)

If your question is not just in jest, it almost seems
incredible that someone has succeeded in missing this
craze.  If so, more power to you!  My understanding of
the background of Beanie Babies: about six+ years ago
a company named Ty started selling miniature stuffed
animals filled with soft pellets rather than stuffing.
 They sold them under the trademarked name "Beanie
Babies".  They caught on with the youngsters and even
more with adults (go figure??).  The craze has now
somewhat died out to the point where Ty stopped making
them as of Dec. 31st.  Disney, true to form, didn't
come out with any of their own until approx. 1997 and
is still making them, with, of course, the requisite
limited editions, etc.

That's as off-topic as I want to go!

Take care all as I dip back into lurker mode,
Chuck Munson

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From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Apr 18 21:18:14 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:18:14 -0400
Subject: digest #139 
References: <200004181000.MAA19666@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <001701bfa96a$df16bca0$2fefffcc@default>

From: "Don Rosa" 
>>>Ah. I'll bet that's Stephan's work! 

Before anyone corrects me: that should be "SteFan", as in Dios!




From chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 19 01:04:41 2000
From: chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com (Chuck Munson)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:04:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New US Donald story
Message-ID: <20000418230441.25383.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone,

Steven Rowe beat me to the punch.  When I discovered
the new Donald story on Sunday, I imagine my jaw did
the proverbial slam on the floor.  Naturally I forgot
to bring the book with me to my office where I have
e-mail access.

On the positive side it is a story in Disney
Adventures with "REAL" Disney characters - Donald and
Ludwig von Drake.  It has been years since we saw
anything in Disney Adventures resembling a Disney duck
(or goof ...or chipmunk ...or, well, I hope you get
the idea).

On the negative side, it seems to be a not very well
written Americanized version of the Paperinik (for the
Italians)/Phantomias (for the Germans) adventures. 
Ludwig is playing the disembodied voice guiding Donald
to the super-mysterious Ducklair Tower (a carbon copy
of the original) where he needs Don to help him save
the Earth.  Howvever, to persuade Donald to his higher
instincts in a more physical manner is a wise-cracking
bee (yes, you read correctly, a bee), named Spike (who
resembles the bee from the Donald and the bee animated
shorts of the late 40's - "Bee on Guard", "Slide,
Donald, Slide", "Bee at the Beach"' etc.).  Donald,
when attired in the suit left for him at the Ducklair
Tower laboratory/headquarters, becomes the "Duck
Avenger" (somebody thought for about two seconds to
come up with *that* name).  Part One ends with Donald
in front of a portal where Ludwig is telling him he
will be transported to a planet named, if memory
serves correctly, Zandarr, whose inhabitants want to
destroy us.

I'm assuming from the names in the story credits that
they are all Americans, so there doesn't seem to be
any acknowledgment in the credits to the original
creators.  My final word is that we're getting the
usual half-baked offering from Disney whenever the
company and comics come together.  I'll be interested
to hear the opinions of other list members.

Take care everyone,

Chuck Munson

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From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Wed Apr 19 05:32:41 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:32:41 -0300
Subject: Weekly Fethry's spin-off stories updated
Message-ID: <002401bfa9af$f6b6a880$0cabfbc8@Arthur>

    Hi!

    Is anybody enjoying the Fethry stories I am
putting on the Web? Anyway, there are another two at:


http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/

More precisely:

B 830170 Fethry Kid: Uma amizade Cavalar
  ("A horsy friendship") - 12 pages
  Art: Irineu Soares Rodrigues?

  Pay attention on page 2, panel 3:
  Two of the poker players are Brazilian artists
  caricatured (the one wearing mustache is Moacir
  R. Soares, Irineu's brother, and the one being
  spied with a mirror is Luis Podavin ... I guess)

B 840034 Jungle Fethry: Problemas Dom?sticos
  {"Domestic Problems") - 7 pages.
  Art: Irineu Soares Rodrigues

They will stay there until next Monday.

    Enjoy!

    -- Arthur.






From alecto at goulburn.net.au  Wed Apr 19 10:58:51 2000
From: alecto at goulburn.net.au (Alecto)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:58:51 +1000
Subject: Who's work is this?
References: <200004181000.MAA19659@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38FD754B.93E9B6D6@goulburn.net.au>

I rather like the work of whoever it is that wrote this Sunday paper
strip http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/dd.jpg  ,does anyone know who
it is?

Tony.



From jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se  Wed Apr 19 19:50:23 2000
From: jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se (Jakob Soederbaum)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:50:23 -0700
Subject: Extra Ingredient at McDuck Tower
References: <200004181000.MAA19668@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38FDF1DF.BDD2A42F@mailbox.swipnet.se>

Don:

For the sake of understanding "comic book logic": what if you had put in
a balloon of curses from DD in the same pannel? It would've manifested
that the boss had his window open, and that he was hearing bad language.
This would have been even funnier, IMO. *But*: would that now be "comic
book logical"? I mean, is it possible for the reader to sense oral
language, while the person closest to it doesn't? Assuming, of course,
Grette/Kerstin/Mildred, also known as "the Fuckin' Sec" (a perfectly
timed movie reference, btw - but can *you* recognize it??), is neither
half-deaf nor ignorant of bad language.

/Jakob Soederbaum




From donrosa at iglou.com  Wed Apr 19 14:15:00 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:15:00 -0400
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #140 - 7 msgs
References: <200004191000.MAA05135@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002901bfa9f9$d97c0e00$5beeffcc@default>

From: Jakob Soederbaum :
>>>>>>>For the sake of understanding "comic book logic": what if you had
put in
a balloon of curses from DD in the same pannel? It would've manifested
that the boss had his window open, and that he was hearing bad language.
This would have been even funnier, IMO. *But*: would that now be "comic
book logical"? I mean, is it possible for the reader to sense oral
language, while the person closest to it doesn't?

I must address each point of your question or I'd seem rude, but I think we
have crossed into the area termed "beating a dead horse".
No, that would not have worked. The curse balloon would have to have been
in the previous panel where DD is getting his fingers smashed. And that
would have been too soon -- you can't show the smashing of the fingers and
the cursing in the same panel... one follows the other, it is not
simultaneous. It can't be in the panel you suggest because it would appear,
left to right, *after* the word balloon containing where you wish to place
the off-screen person's reaction to hearing it. So, the panel could be
flipped, then the balloon order would be fine. But that still wouldn't
explain why the person much closer to the cursing does not hear it. And we,
as the readers, could not hear it if the secretary could not since we are
even further from DD's window -- it would be different if the scene were
viewed from over DD's shoulder and we were outside the window with DD, then
we'd be able to hear something that the scretary might not, but that would
not explain how the off-screen person could hear it without showing clearly
that he/she was sitting by an adjacent open window. (pant, pant, pant)
Cripes, why keep trying to figure this out? Instead of going to all this
needless trouble to add a joke where none is required and where one will
not fit, the translator could simply *leave the script as it was intended*!

>>>>Assuming, of course,
Grette/Kerstin/Mildred, also known as "the Fuckin' Sec" (a perfectly
timed movie reference, btw - but can *you* recognize it??),

Nope... I don't think that sounds like a line from anything on *my*
"favorite films" list... unless... that isn't what Humphrey Bogart called
Lee Patrick in "The Maltese Falcon", is it? (I think not.)




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Wed Apr 19 15:23:17 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:23:17 +0100
Subject: Weekly Fethry's spin-off stories updated
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075819@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Arthur Faria Jr. [mailto:arthurfaria at projesom.com.br]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:33 AM

> Is anybody enjoying the Fethry stories I am
> putting on the Web? [..]
> They will stay there until next Monday.

Hey! Give us some time to download them, please!
I have been busy, and your *previous* stories are still on my "to be
downloaded" list...

--Harry.



From kyrimis at cti.gr  Wed Apr 19 15:13:57 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:13:57 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: Beanie babies
In-Reply-To: <200004191000.MAA05127@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004191604550.16630-100000@dias>

CHUCK MUNSON:

> If your question is not just in jest, it almost seems
> incredible that someone has succeeded in missing this
> craze.  If so, more power to you!

Well, I'd never heard of these things. I just asked a colleague, who
has a small daughter, if she's heard of them, and though she's seen such
toys, she wasn't aware of the name either. Either Beanie Babies never
made it to Greece, or they weren't such a big hit over here.

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
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From ole.roc at get2net.dk  Wed Apr 19 16:44:39 2000
From: ole.roc at get2net.dk (Ole Reichstein Nielsen)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:44:39 +0200
Subject: DCML vol. #140
Message-ID: <004401bfaa0d$ce991960$5d822fc3@roc>

Tony/Alecto:
> I rather like the work of whoever it is that wrote this Sunday paper
> strip http://www.goulburn.net.au/~alecto/dd.jpg  ,does anyone know who
> it is?

The art style is similar to the back page gags of the early Gladstone
issues (c. 1987) credited to writer Bob Foster and artist Frank Smith,
whose first work on the Sundays was in 1976-1980. It would appear that
Smith has been the regular artist on the strip since then, even if there
have been art by others on occasion, like Daan Jippes and J?rgen Klubien.

The backpage gags are btw not in our database, and except for some
Swedish reprints of 1993 Sundays we don't have very much knowledge
(actually none at all) of the fate of the DD newspaper strip.
It's quite nice to see one copyrighted in 2000, showing that the
duck is alive and well - even if he has gone down and under. :-)

Steve Rowe/Chuck Munson:
Likewise it's very interesting to know that he (the duck) is still
published in the US, though under strange circumstances. One thing
is that the Italian Super Duck ("Paperinik") stories are the ones
Disney considers appropriate for the new millennium, but why on
Earth (or Zandarr or wherever) would they not use the original
Italian stories, when Ducklair Tower, the artificial intelligence
Uno (who only 'looks' a bit like Ludwig Von Drake) and the alien
invasion plot appears to have made the translation successfully?

Perhaps because the Italian stories are too long? About 60-70 pages
each and about 40 chapters of them so far.

I'm curious to know more about this new story. How long is this first
part and how many are planned? Who are the creators?
A scan or two would also be much appreciated. Thanks.


Arthur Faria:
Speaking of scans, it's a great job you're doing on those Brazilian
stories for us. I know from experience that there's a lot of work in
translating and lettering stories even with the aid of a good image
editor. Thanks for the effort. I enjoy the stories very much and hope
many others do too.


oLe
_U






From mrhode at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 19 20:32:10 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:32:10 PDT
Subject: Carl Barks stamps
Message-ID: <20000419183210.40453.qmail@hotmail.com>

I don't remember us talking about this at the time, but on October 15, 1998, 
Guyana published Christmas on Bear Mountain as a set of sheets of stamps.  
An article on it, with pictures is at:

http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19981116/news3.asp

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From gbalanik at med.auth.gr  Wed Apr 19 21:21:49 2000
From: gbalanik at med.auth.gr (Georgios Balanikas M.D.)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:21:49 +0300
Subject: Beanie babies and other topics
Message-ID: <200004191942.WAA05539@nosema.med.auth.gr>


>KRITON
You are right. Here in Greece , the Beanie babies never came in the
domestic toy market,and I think neither in Europe .What a madness! This is
a perfect example of the so called "limited edition" items ,trying to
establish new habits and driving the consumers in the new directions of
spending their money.
............................................................................
..........................................
   I am glad that Archontis represented all of us ( especially European and
 Greek members of the list ) in the DD Museum Grand Opening ,but also in
the meeting with Don Rosa. I wished to be there.
............................................................................
...........................................
  In the Greek edition of April 2000 of the National Geographic Magazine 
there is a wonderful and very sophisticated advertisement for the new
edition of KOMIX, putting side by side three  panels from the CB stories
:"in Ancient Persia", "The Fabulous Philosopher's stone"and "Mummy's Ring"
and three vintage photographs of the corresponding places.There are also a
CB photograph reading the NGM and also some of his thoughts about using NG
as a source for his stories. And I think this is the second time that the
editors of NG put such a wonderful advertisement for KOMIX, (then with
another stories and  references) .

Georgios



From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Thu Apr 20 05:50:51 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:50:51 -0300
Subject: Brazilian FE's spin-off stories on the Web
Message-ID: <017901bfaa7d$4f1b8220$6eabfbc8@Arthur>

    Hi!

    -- On FE's spin-off stories: 

    So far, these are the Brazilian Fethry's spin-off
stories I've already uploaded (and deleted after one
week), at http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/

(Original Portuguese titles and FE's names translated
 to English):

    2000-03-20:
    B 870143 Fethry Kid The Longest Duel of the West

    2000-03-27:
    B 74141  US "Comics and Seers" (only two panels)
    B 74143  FE "Thorny Mission" (2nd Pena Kid's)
    B 74144  DD "Pena Kid and Xaxam" (1st Pena Kid's)

    2000-04-10:
    B 830008 FE "Fethry the Submariner"
             (1st underwater FE's)
    B 880083 Fethry Kid "A Duck of Fame"

    2000-04-19 (currently on line):
    B 830170 Fethry Kid "A Horsy Friendship" 
    B 840034 Jungle Fethry "Domestic Problems"

They will stay there for *two* weeks now, since some members
aren't having the time to download them.

    --On classical stories in English:

    I really love to read classical Disney stories
(Barks, Gottfredson, Murry, Strobl, etc) in English.
I've already downloaded:

    DD Dangerous Disguise
    DD's Atom Bomb
    DD Forbidden Valley
    US Treasure of Marco Polo
    US War of The Wendigo (not so old)
    MM in World War II (Italian and English)
    MM Nazi Spy
    MM Secret Mission
    and many DD Sundays by Taliaferro.

I'd appreciate any hints about URLs where I can
find and download more of those great old stories!

    -- Arthur.






From igor at clark.net  Thu Apr 20 14:58:20 2000
From: igor at clark.net (Daniel E. White)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:58:20 -0400
Subject: Question: Gladstone Publishing and the Works of Carl Barks
Message-ID: <v04220801b524ae0f8a72@[208.219.159.189]>

This concerns the availability of certain Disney comics in the US ..

Does anyone know the fate of Gladstone Publishing and the Works of 
Carl Barks ?  Best I can determine is that Gladstone lost its licence 
around mid 1999 and another outfit -- Gemstone -- was going to 
acquire the necessary rights and continue publishing them.

Can anyone clue me in ?



From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Thu Apr 20 20:09:04 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:09:04 +0100
Subject: [OT] Photographs...
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075833@l04.research.kpn.com>

David Gerstein visited me in Holland, last weekend. I have put some
photographs of his visit on the Web (just in case anyone is interested). The
URLs are:
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/p00-05.html (where David visits me
and we visit Roy and Angela)
and
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/p00-06.html (where David and I
visit Dani?l)

Just outside the pictures is Gaute Kongsnes (from Norway), whose ship passed
Maassluis when we were there - and we forgot to wave...

--Harry.
(Want to see something even more boring? Look at
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/p00-03.html ! 8-)



From jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se  Fri Apr 21 03:43:00 2000
From: jakob.soederbaum at mailbox.swipnet.se (Jakob Soederbaum)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:43:00 -0700
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #141 - 7 msgs
References: <200004201000.MAA24001@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38FFB222.CB3A8F87@mailbox.swipnet.se>

Don:

> It can't be in the panel you suggest because it would appear,
> left to right, *after* the word balloon containing where you wish to place
> the off-screen person's reaction to hearing it.

And it couldn't be excused with Donald being the "central" person (in several
ways) in the same panel?Just wondering (at least not beating "my" dead horse).

> Cripes, why keep trying to figure this out?

Because I'm interested in "the mind behind". Ever since I read the first of your
stories as a kid I've been trying to understand the art of comics. Like a bolt
out of the blue it became so obvious to me that there is lots more into it than
just writing and drawing. Thanks for taking time - now as well as all the other
times. I truly appreciate that.

> >>>>Assuming, of course,
> Grette/Kerstin/Mildred, also known as "the Fuckin' Sec" (a perfectly
> timed movie reference, btw - but can *you* recognize it??),
>
> Nope... I don't think that sounds like a line from anything on *my*
> "favorite films" list... unless... that isn't what Humphrey Bogart called
> Lee Patrick in "The Maltese Falcon", is it? (I think not.)

It isn't. It's from "Analyze This", starring Robert de Niro and Billy Crystal
(from last year, I think). It's definitely a movie of your taste, being a
semi-parody of older maffia-movies (even with a great "in-movie reference" to
the Godfather #3) and yet with a story of its own, full of gags that still
doesn't make the movie itself nor the maffia-concept silly. It's not even a pure
comedy. Anyway, in one scene Billy Crystal's character (who is a psychiatrist)
needs to introduce himself to the bosses. After a long weird and meaningless
explanation he comes up with a few of his (faked) aliases and sums up: "...also
known as The Fuckin' Doc". I couldn't keep from drawing a parallell to our
discussion about the "sec". I'm sure you understand (drat, here I go again! ;)
).

/Jakob Soederbaum





From apantsi at binghamton.edu  Thu Apr 20 19:44:42 2000
From: apantsi at binghamton.edu (Archontis Pantsios)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:44:42 -0400
Subject: A meeting with Don Rosa
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000420134442.0079c790@mail.binghamton.edu>

Fellow Quackeroos:

It all started back in 1989 when I picked up a Gladstone comic and read my
first Rosa story. That "journey" reached a milestone of sorts when I
finally met Rosa in person last Saturday, April 15, 2000. 

The meeting took place 2 months before the anticipated date! I was planning
to drive to Lousville in late May, after the Spring semester was over here
at Binghamton University, but the Gods had other plans...

Last Thursday, when I turned on my P.C. and checked my e-mail messages, I
never expected to find a note by my "neighbor" Gary Pantzer who lives in
Oneida, NY, a two-hour drive north of Binghamton. Gary was informing me
that he planned to drive down to Reading, Pennsylvania, in order to attend
an event by a group of Donald Duck memorabilia entusiasts who had invited
Don Rosa in their inaugural happening. Gary asked me whether I wanted to
join him, and I half-heartedly (just joking!) agreed!

Gary arrived in Binghamton on Friday afternoon and we met in my office. We
had agreed to spend Friday night at my place and drive to Reading on
Saturday morning. We spent the afternoon and evening visiting a local
comics store (where Disney comics were very few and far between), going out
for dinner, and going over comics I brought here from Greece and the ones
Gary brought over with the intention of asking Don to sign them! 

We headed south the following morning being in a great mood: the sun was
shining and we were going to meet Rosa in a few hours! For Gary that was
not the first Rosa meeting; he had the chance to meet him 3-4 times in the
past, in Boston and in Niagara Falls. For me, it was something I'd been
looking forward to for many years!

The ride was quite pleasant, excepting a missed exit in Reading that made
us lose 30 minutes. Once deep in Pennsylvania, the weather turned sour on
us and it started to rain. The event would actually take place not in
Reading, but in Lancaster, 30 miles to the south, in the heart of Amish
country.

When we arrived at the "Donald Duck museum of Collectibles" Don was already
hard at work signing away autographs on comics and drawing B&W faces of
angry or happy Donalds or Scrooges. The crowd was not very big, but there
was a steady line in front of Rosa's table. After saying "hi" and
introducing myself, I waited patiently in line to have 3-4 comics
autographed for me and my kids--I could only find 3 with Rosa stories among
the very few I brought along from Greece, and Gary was very nice to give me
a forth one! I had the ZIO PAPERONE printing of "Lost Dutchmen's Secret",
the German edition of the "Kalevala", Gladstone's edition of "Cutty Sark",
and an older Gladstone Gary gave me. 

Most of the people attending the inaugural event were not comic-book fans
per se: the owner of the museum had a great collection of Duck memorabilia,
including many comic books and knew the comic-book Ducks very well.
However, most of the members knew very little, if anything about the comics
themselves and Don's work, but were still very happy and eager to get a
drawing by him! 

Highlights during the museum session: (1) seeing Don Rosa at "work" was a
nice treat; he would repeat that drawing dosen't come naturally to him, and
that he trained himself to do these Duck faces for Duck fans at such
meetings, (2) at some point Don took a short break and pulled out of his
bag copies of his most recent story, "The Three Caballeros"! It looks
great, guys! :-), (3) having an improptu meeting with DCML-member Chuck
Munson, who had driven from Washington, DC, (4) taking lots of pictures
outside just before leaving for dinner. 

Dinner would take place in Reading among the group members and I thank them
for their kind invitation to join. During dinner we were lucky to sit face
to face with Don and discuss things Duckey. 

After dinner we all moved to the hotel where Don would be staying the
night, and gathered in a room where there would be a showing of an old
Donald cartoon, members would trade Duck memorabilia, would play various
games, and would raffle off a Rosa drawing! It was during that period that
Don took the time to do something special for me (actually for my son!
:-)), and I thank him for that. It's not every day that I have the chance
to witness Don Rosa "bring to life" from scratch a beautiful drawing! 

We left Reading ~11:00 p.m. and reached Binghamton ~2:00 a.m. Gary spent
the night at my place and headed for Oneida later the same day. When we
parted we agreed that it was a worthwhile trip!!!

Now that I've met Don Rosa, what can I look forward to? Well, if all goes
as planned, I should make it to Lousville, Kentucky in late May. I hear his
place is like a comic-book shrine! :-) 

Cheers,

Archontis




------------------------------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Visiting Associate Professor 
Department of Economics
Binghamton University
Binghamton, New York 13902
USA
tel: (607)777-4726
fax: (607)777-2681
------------------------------



From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com  Fri Apr 21 00:11:15 2000
From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (Rodney w bowcock jr.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:11:15 -0400
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #141 - 7 msgs
Message-ID: <20000420.181132.-30369.2.rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com>

Yes!!!  I second the motion of putting more classic stories on the web! 
Now that I have "real" internet access (none of that juno stuff) I can
actually take advantage of them!  Especially interesting is Gottfredson
stuff we've not had reprinted in the US before, and Don Rosa stories that
we've not had too, would be oh so appreciated.


Rodney Bowcock


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From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br  Fri Apr 21 00:23:01 2000
From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:23:01 -0300
Subject: Ole: Translations and letterings
Message-ID: <000901bfab4a$5cf5b780$11abfbc8@Arthur>

    Ole:

>    I know from experience that there's a lot of work in
>translating and lettering stories even with the aid of a good image
>editor. Thanks for the effort. I enjoy the stories very much and hope
>many others do too.

    Thanks! It's a lot of work indeed, but I like it
since this is an enjoyable way to improve my English.

    -- Arthur.




From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Fri Apr 21 19:59:53 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:59:53 -0400
Subject: Don Rosa in PA - PHOTOS
Message-ID: <000701bfabbb$74a70480$79d331cf@gpantzer>

I finally created a web-page and put up some of the pictures
from the meetning with Don last week. I am new at this so if
you have trouble with it, please let me know.
http://members.xoom.com/gpantzer/index.htm






From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Fri Apr 21 16:04:21 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:04:21 -0400
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <00a401bfab9a$855de620$aad531cf@gpantzer>

Can anyone please tell which 'recent' DCML contained the
piece by Don about the publisher who took reader survey 
after survey, and adjusted their stories until they went out
of business? I know I have it...I just can't find it! I want to
send it to Archontis, who missed it. Thanks.




From kfitz at halcyon.com  Sat Apr 22 03:38:23 2000
From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:38:23 -0700
Subject: A meeting with Don Rosa
References: <3.0.6.32.20000420134442.0079c790@mail.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <000901bfabfb$738b1920$1deb39cc@kfitz>

What a well written account of a fantastic meeting, trip, and consequent
adventures.  I enjoyed vicarously.

-Kathy




From kfitz at halcyon.com  Sat Apr 22 03:49:11 2000
From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:49:11 -0700
Subject: Web Page
Message-ID: <003601bfabfc$f5434cc0$1deb39cc@kfitz>

Great job and thank you for sharing!  Excellent photos and you can just see how much fun everyone was having.  

Regarding being vertically challenged, just remember what my Mom used to tell me - you are NOT short, Kathy.  Your legs are long enough to reach the ground.

Kathy
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From ericchun at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 22 11:19:52 2000
From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:19:52 PDT
Subject: Photos
Message-ID: <20000422091952.52134.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi!

I've just posted photos at my web site of
Don Rosa's and Jeff Smith's panel at this
year's Wondercon (Playing for Laughs in
an Action-Adventure Universe):

http://www.geocities.com/mightyhero/wc2000.html

Best,

Eric
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From frspreaf at tin.it  Sat Apr 22 18:39:21 2000
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:39:21 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa in PA - PHOTOS
References: <000701bfabbb$74a70480$79d331cf@gpantzer>
Message-ID: <007e01bfac79$b8665e00$8153d8d4@darthmaul>

From: "Gary Pantzer" <gpantzer at ny.tds.net>

> I finally created a web-page and put up some of the pictures
> from the meetning with Don last week. I am new at this so if
> you have trouble with it, please let me know.
> http://members.xoom.com/gpantzer/index.htm

No way to see such page :-(

Sprea





From kfitz at halcyon.com  Sat Apr 22 21:46:00 2000
From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:46:00 -0700
Subject: Weekly Fethry's spin-off stories updated
References: <002401bfa9af$f6b6a880$0cabfbc8@Arthur>
Message-ID: <000d01bfac93$64d7d6a0$01eb39cc@kfitz>

>Is anybody enjoying the Fethry stories I am
> putting on the Web?  >     -- Arthur.

Thanks for putting these on the web, they are really funny and I begin to
see why Fethry is so popular over there.

-Kathy




From xephyr at jps.net  Sat Apr 22 17:38:45 2000
From: xephyr at jps.net (Rich)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:38:45 +0000
Subject: new Donald USA comic book story
References: <200004161000.MAA26113@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3901C783.978BF56C@jps.net>

> From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
> > From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
> > Subject: new Donald USA comic book story
> > I'm out of town for the next week, but I just wanted to point out 
> > that the current issue of Disney Adventures features a Donald Duck
> > as superhero comic (part 1)
> 
> New Donald USA comic book story? More info, please.

O.K., for a limited time ONLY I have posted the first
ten pages of the new Disney Adventures comic for the
viewing pleasure of our international Disney friends
who typically would have no way to view it.

It is only loosely based on the PKNA adventures, and
I'm sure fans of that comic will probably hate this
rendition.  It is very much a watered down version
of PKNA (I have issues #0 thru #3 or #4).  Personally
I didn't like how far removed from the regular 
Duckburg universe PKNA was, which is the same reason
I lost interest in MMMM (Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine).
I love the concepts of both books, but I didn't like
NOT seeing my OTHER favorite Disney characters.  I'm
in favor of introducing all-new supporting characters,
but not at the expense of the older, more familiar
ones.  I also liked the vastly different feel and
approaches both PKNA & MMMM gave as a showcase for
the main characters, but again, not at the expense
of all the others.  Anyhow, this Disney Adventures
comic, as was said before, is great in the respect
that it FINALLY gives us fans in the USA a brand New
Disney comic that actually stars are "REAL" Disney
character!  I also like the revival of "Spike" (a.k.a.
"Buzz-Buzz") the bee as Donald's sidekick!  It is
blatantly obvious, as well, that the creation (or
rather "re-creation) of Super Donald here is to take
advantage of the initials "D.A." for "Disney Adventures"
now used for the "Duck Avenger."  I don't mind that
really, since Donald as Phantomias or Paperinik was
never officially translated to "Super Donald" (I 
think), so at least now we know it is "officially"
translated into English as "Duck Avenger" (something
the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. folks might be interested in).

So, if you are interested, I have posted them to my
site for about a week, but since they take up too
much server space I will need to remove them.

You can find them at:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA01.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA02.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA03.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA04.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA05.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA06.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA07.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA08.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA09.jpg
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/SCANS/DA10.jpg

Enjoy, Rich



From mikep at iki.fi  Sun Apr 23 10:18:46 2000
From: mikep at iki.fi (Mike Pohjola)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:46 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #142 - 6 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200004211000.MAA03284@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0004231109580.19743-100000@green>

Harry:
> David Gerstein visited me in Holland, last weekend.

And I, like Harry mentioned earlier, visited him earlier this month. I
happened to be in that part of Europe at the right time and Harry told me
they were having DuckDag2000 (a gathering of Dutch Disney comics fans) on
April 2nd, so I had to be there.

We spent a great day at Arthur de Wolf's placce with Arthur, Amy, Frank,
Duco, Roy, Angela, Harry and the famous Daniel van Eijmeeren. Afterwards
me, Harry and Daniel went to Daniel's home town for a coke (and even saw
Daniel's birhtplace - although without the customary plaque), and from
there me and Harry drove to Harry's place near The Haag.

The next day Harry took me to see Amsterdam and walked me the whole day in
lots of bookstores, restaurants, comicbook shops and famous Amsterdam
sights. 

I just wanted to take this moment to thank the Dutch Dcomics mafia and
especially Harry for their hospitability.

Thanks, guys!

Mike

PS. The photos of the DuckDag2000 and me in front of Harry's computer are
in http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/p00-04.html







From mrhode at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 24 15:46:57 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:46:57 PDT
Subject: Disney artist ID question
Message-ID: <20000424134657.24734.qmail@hotmail.com>

Has anyone heard of a Disney artist named Lee LeBlanc?  According to
http://duckstamps.fws.gov/rw40.html, he designed a US Duck hunting stamp - 
"Opaque watercolor of Steller's Eiders by Lee LeBlanc, formerly a Disney 
cartoonist and MGM Studios executive became a freelance artist in his later 
years. (Deceased)".  I'm writing an article for Hogan's Alley and I'd like 
to independently confirm his career.  Alberto Becattini thought he might be 
a publicity artist and suggested I contact Disney's archives.  I'm doing 
that, but hoping for a more immediate answer so I can start working on this 
part of the article.

Thanks,

Mike

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From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Tue Apr 25 16:57:16 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:57:16 +0700
Subject: What's in a name?
References: <200004211000.MAA03254@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <008b01bfaec6$c2bbabe0$d6189eca@kulim>

Hi all,
It's been pretty quiet. Are you guys on silent strike or what? ;-)
Btw just curious. You know Scrooge Mc Duck?
Well, if you don't, don't bother. Just kiddin.
i understand that the ducks' stories are currently reprinted over and over
again in various countries spread across this blue globe. Now, i understand
that in my country that Scrooge name has been translated which meant Scrooge
Duck.
No "Mc" in the name whatsoever. Okay, everybody knows that things like this
happen in several countries. This Mc-less name has brought troubles to the
stories which are Mc-heavy, eg Lo$. Therefore the translations have been
changed to somewhat irrational lines. This has caused the differentation
family line between Donald Duck and Scrooge Duck a bit blur. that's why my
country's versions of Lo$ parts a bit confusing, like how can you explain
The last of Clan Duck while there're DD and HDL Duck???
Anyway, i would like to know how other countries with similar translations
get away with this problem. Do they -for the purpose of the story- make an
exception and include the Mc in Scrooge name? Or perhaps some other more
logical way to make the story more acceptable?

Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Apr 25 19:05:22 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:05:22 +0100
Subject: What's in a name?
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E45220207583C@l04.research.kpn.com>

Arie:

> It's been pretty quiet. Are you guys on silent strike or what? ;-)

We call that Easter holiday. 8-)

> how can you explain
> The last of Clan Duck while there're DD and HDL Duck???

In Holland (the Netherlands, actually), Scrooge is also called "Duck". But
the Life-of-Scrooge chapters call him (and his family) McDuck. And the Dutch
translation of "The Old Castle's Secret" also names Scrooge's ancestors as
McDucks.

It's not explicitly stated, but my explanation is that Scrooge dropped the
"Mc" when he went to America (i.e. Duckburg). Emigrants often change their
name in the new country. For practical reasons, or just because a civil
servant doesn't know enough. I remember the TV series "The Mannions of
America" where the Irish family O'Mannion dropped the O' after arriving in
the USA. Other examples may be "Cronkite" (Krankheidt) and "Van Dyke" (Van
Dijk), which are Americanised Dutch names.

--Harry.
(Always fascinated by names and their backgrounds)



From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Apr 25 19:08:45 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:08:45 +0100
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E45220207583D@l04.research.kpn.com>

Gary:

> Can anyone please tell which 'recent' DCML contained the
> piece by Don about the publisher who took reader survey 
> after survey, and adjusted their stories until they went out
> of business?

It's Digest #80 from Feb. 12. I'll send you a copy of Don's message about
"One day in the editorial offices of PINKY PIG COMICS".

--Harry.



From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Apr 25 19:27:28 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:27:28 +0100
Subject: Picking at details
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452202075840@l04.research.kpn.com>

Juliet:

> Is there a FAQ for this list?  I should probably
> read it.

There isn't. We could need a volunteer to make one.
But we do have some websites, where lots of the questions you may have, have
been answered. For instance the "DCML" website (follow the links from the
URL mentioned in every e-mail or digest).

Now here are some short answers:

> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?

Yes. In 1949.

> and if so, was he working for Disney or
> another company?

For Western, who produced comics under a Disney licence. So Scrooge is a
Disney character.

> I'm always surprised when I see
> Scrooge in Disney things for some reason.

Disney doesn't really know who Scrooge is. Lots of Disney employees think
he's a "Christmas character", or "a one-short character from a Christmas
short", or (at best) "the DuckTales character". Very few Disney people
actually read Disney comics.

> I guess I get a little irritated at Disney when
> they (in MY eyes) misuse Scrooge.

You're not the only one...

> Also, I never really liked the Ducktales cartoons
> (do they have those in other countries?)

Yes, DuckTales was broadcast on TV in my country (and several other European
countries).

The major achievement of the DuckTales TV series is that people who didn't
know Scrooge, learned about him, and started reading the *good* comic
stories (starring the "real" Scrooge).
And actually, a lot of the DuckTales episodes aren't that bad - if one keeps
in mind that the DuckTales world is different from the Scrooge-in-the-comics
world.

--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, the Netherlands
@home: h.w.fluks at wxs.nl
@work: h.w.fluks at kpn.com
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"



From LSCHULTE at sfs.utoledo.edu  Tue Apr 25 18:35:31 2000
From: LSCHULTE at sfs.utoledo.edu (Schulte, Lee R.)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:35:31 -0400
Subject: Gladstone and the Death of Disney Comics
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000425123531.007b3b50@dewey.sfs.utoledo.edu>

To answer the question about the death of Gladstone, it seemed to have been
caused by the Disney company itself.  They put so many obstacles in front
of the publisher, Mr. Bruce Hamilton, (they micro-managed stories, for
example, and refused to let the comics be sold in their own stores (?!))
that he decided it was not worth it anymore.  Supposedly a company called
Diamond Comics (not Gemstone) was going to pick up the license: but I have
heard that Disney is not really interested in selling such a license.  For
them there is not enough profit: Gladstone was "only" selling c. 25,000
copies per issue at the end.  You can debate whether or not that was due to
the $6.95 price.




From reimersholme at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 25 21:05:54 2000
From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:05:54 CEST
Subject: What's in a name?
Message-ID: <20000425190554.41156.qmail@hotmail.com>

>From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: What's in a name?
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:57:16 +0700

>Anyway, i would like to know how other countries with similar translations 
>get away with this problem. Do they -for the purpose of the story- make an 
>exception and include the Mc in Scrooge name? Or perhaps some other more 
>logical way to make the story more acceptable?

In Sweden they're called "von Anka" and "Anka". ("Anka" is the Swedish word 
for "duck".) In Lo$ there was no change of the names. In some other story 
published one and a half decade ago, there was also a similar problem. The 
solution was then that "Joakim von Anka was of the clan McAnka". The 
solution might not be very good, but in this case any solution had to be 
used.
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From reimersholme at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 25 21:11:12 2000
From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:11:12 CEST
Subject: What's in a name?
Message-ID: <20000425191112.13607.qmail@hotmail.com>

>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: What's in a name?
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:05:22 +0100

>Other examples may be [...] "Van Dyke" (Van Dijk), which are Americanised 
>Dutch names.

No ??
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From reimersholme at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 25 21:14:06 2000
From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:14:06 CEST
Subject: Picking at details
Message-ID: <20000425191407.63074.qmail@hotmail.com>

>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: "'Juliet Violette'" <julietv at email.com>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: Picking at details
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:27:28 +0100

>And actually, a lot of the DuckTales episodes aren't that bad - if one 
>keeps in mind that the DuckTales world is different from the 
>Scrooge-in-the-comics world.

Also, many of them are based on Barks's comics.
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From oyvind at karstad.no  Wed Apr 26 18:44:47 2000
From: oyvind at karstad.no (Oyvind J. Karstad)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:47 +0200
Subject: Picsou #333
Message-ID: <001101bfaf9e$e3c38b40$f6a67dd4@karstad>

I'm trying to get hold of the Picsou Magazine #333 with Don Rosa's "The Coin".
Can anybody get it for me? I can exchange it for Norwegian comics.
Please contact me if you can help: oyvind at karstad.no

Oyvind J. Karstad





From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Tue Apr 25 22:25:40 2000
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:25:40 -0300
Subject: Fethry Duck on Barks/Rosa universe?
Message-ID: <00c301bfaef4$6df6b040$2cf5bfc8@fernando>

The brazilian histories off Fethry that Arthur is putting on the Web make me
remenber that Fethry is not included on Rosa's Duck universe, appearing on
the Family Tree because off his editor wanted it. But I didn't now exactly
why. What is the reason? Because he is not created by Barks, or because he
can't be included on the "official" Duck history, so he is not a credible
character? I'm sorring iff I'm asking something stupid, but I only read Lo$
in English, and not all parts, only the 9 first parts, and this incredible
history is not published in Brazil yet.

Thanks!
Fernando Ventura!
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From oyvind at karstad.no  Wed Apr 26 18:44:34 2000
From: oyvind at karstad.no (Oyvind J. Karstad)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:34 +0200
Subject: Scrooge
Message-ID: <001001bfaf9e$e301c1e0$f6a67dd4@karstad>

>> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
>Yes. In 1949.

Wasn't it in summer 1947?

Oyvind J. Karstad





From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Thu Apr 27 14:20:30 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:20:30 +0100
Subject: Scrooge
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E45220207585E@l04.research.kpn.com>

> >> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
> >Yes. In 1949.
> Wasn't it in summer 1947?

Oops. You're right. Barks delivered the story (Christmas on Bear Mountain)
on July 22, 1947.

--Harry.



From reimersholme at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 27 15:39:53 2000
From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:39:53 CEST
Subject: Scrooge
Message-ID: <20000427133953.81510.qmail@hotmail.com>

>From: "Oyvind J. Karstad" <oyvind at karstad.no>
>To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Scrooge
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:34 +0200
>
> >> did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge?
> >Yes. In 1949.
>
>Wasn't it in summer 1947?

Yep.
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From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Thu Apr 27 18:59:14 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:59:14 +0700
Subject: Carl Barks stamps
References: <200004201000.MAA23976@stp.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <008201bfb069$eb791960$4b199eca@kulim>

> From: "Michael Rhode" <mrhode at hotmail.com>
> I don't remember us talking about this at the time, but on October 15,
1998,
> Guyana published Christmas on Bear Mountain as a set of sheets of stamps.
> An article on it, with pictures is at:
>
> http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19981116/news3.asp
Hi,
is it still available for sale somewhere else? And at what price?

Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal




From julietv at email.com  Thu Apr 27 21:56:34 2000
From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:56:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Please help/ Duck family question
Message-ID: <384953817.956865394306.JavaMail.root@web08.pub01>

I have been asked a question about Duck comics
that I really don't have a good answer to.  Can
anyone help?

Question:
I know the Duck family is pretty old and there are
hundreds and hundreds
of story written on them from before. I was
interested in getting a comic
about Donald's family (his parents, siblings,
etc.) or the story of Scrooge
and his life. I know they are available in out of
print comics, but they are
hard to get. Is there a book written about the
Duck family and its
geneology thats easy to access?
----------------
I'd like to give this (anonymous) person the best
possible answer... I can advise him on the Rosa
comics about Scrooge's life.

(I hope he's not on this list -- how embarassing.)

Thanks!
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From gwtank at email.msn.com  Fri Apr 28 00:05:05 2000
From: gwtank at email.msn.com (gwtank)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:05:05 -0700
Subject: Strange website
Message-ID: <005201bfb094$a5aba080$99070e3f@u16z6>

http://www.palace-of-conception.de/barx.htm
The above link comes up with a page called "STUDYING THE MASTER VOL I"
with a subtitle CARL BARKS. It then shows some illustrations of Donald Duck which have no resemblance to any of the Ducks that I've seen that were drawn by Mr. Barks. I printed out the illustrations and showed them to Mr. Barks. This then will verify that these illustrations were never drawn by Mr. Barks and have no resemblance to his art. I know not where the originators of this page got the gaul to represent these as his work.
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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Fri Apr 28 13:28:32 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:28:32 +0100
Subject: Strange website
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E45220207586D@l04.research.kpn.com>

Gerry Tank:

> http://www.palace-of-conception.de/barx.htm
> The above link comes up with a page called
> "STUDYING THE MASTER VOL I"
> with a subtitle CARL BARKS. It then shows some illustrations
> of Donald Duck which have no resemblance to any of the Ducks
> that I've seen that were drawn by Mr. Barks.

Right. The third illustration seems to be directly copied from a cover of
one of the German albums "Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe" -
probably drawn by Miguel Pujol.

I have no idea either what's the use of putting 4 random illustrations on
the Web and adding the name Carl Barks to that. The only reason I can think
of is that the artist who traced these panels ("PoC") really thought they
were made by Barks...

BTW, one of the other illustrations on that website is called "Tank Girl".
Any relative of yours? 8-)

--Harry.



From mrhode at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 28 16:50:43 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:50:43 PDT
Subject: Wordless comics bibliography on-line
Message-ID: <20000428145043.75664.qmail@hotmail.com>

Apologies for the cross-posting

Quite a few people helped out on the wordless bibliography of comics and 
cartoons that I was working on earlier this year.  Thanks to Glenn Carnegy, 
a recent version is online at
http://www.wraithspace.com/Bibliographies/HTML/Rhode/rhode_wordless.html  
I'm keeping the list continually updated and the current copy can be had by 
emailing me.

Also new at the site is a bibliography of National Public Radio stories on 
comics, many of which can be listened to for free at their website.  See  
http://www.wraithspace.com/Bibliographies/HTML/Rhode/rhode_nprA.html

Mike

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From kyrimis at cti.gr  Fri Apr 28 21:48:16 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:48:16 +0200
Subject: Komix #143
Message-ID: <yam8153.845.291972760@dias.cti.gr>

Here's what's in the May issue of Comics:

* A cover by William Van Horn. There will be some delay in making a scan
  available, as it is Greek Easter around here, and I won't be at work
  before Wednesday.
* A two+ page article titled "Return to the Land of the Pygmy Indians",
  subtitled "The Classic Barks Tale and Rosa's Ecological Fable".
* A one-page article titled "99 Carat Birthday", subtitled "Carl Barks
  is 99 years old"!
* Don Rosa's "War of the Wendigo". (This not an April--or May--fools'
  joke!)
* A one-page article titled "Uncle Scrooge and the Environment", subtitled
  "A Croesus respecting the flora".
* Carl Barks' "Fearsome Flowers" from WDC&S #214.
* A one+ page article titled "Donald's Garden", subtitled "A Strange
  Ecosystem in the Heart of Duckburg".
* A two+ page article titled "Toy Story 2", subtitled "A great movie for
  chidren that will grow up one day".
* "Money to Burn" (D92368) written by John Kane (sp?) and drawn by Vicar.

Don will be pleased to hear of the Easter present that the translator
of the story gave him: in the Greek translation, the Peeweegahs speak
in fifteen-syllable meter, i.e., the kind of meter used in Greek folk
songs. I once thought that this would be the way that the story should
be translated, but given the difficulty of the task, I never expected
that the Komix translator would actually do it!

Given the wordiness of the Greek language, it would have been too much
to expect to have each verse appear on a separate line. However, as I
had no trouble figuring out the folk song rhythm (Komix never mentions
anything about fifteen-syllable meter), and that the alternative would
have been to enlarge the balloons, destroying some of the art, I think
that in Komix's case this was the right thing to do.

A question to native English speakers: how distracting is the Peeweegah's
talking in rhythm? When reading the Greek translation, I found myself
reading the Peeweegahs' words by stressing the familiar rhythm, paying
more attention to how they were saying things rather than what they
were saying.
-- 
        Kriton  (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
                (WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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From mrhode at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 28 21:27:19 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:27:19 PDT
Subject: Barks on stamps
Message-ID: <20000428192720.3487.qmail@hotmail.com>

I imagine it's still available somewhere as Guyana "publishes" these to 
raise money, not to mail w/.  The company that had the Disney stamps license 
lost it and the story seems somewhat similar to the comics license.  See 
http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19990531/news1.asp for the story; a 
followup at http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19991129/news2.asp implies 
that a supply still exists.  Unlike in comics, unauthorized stamps are 
appearing - see http://www.disnemation.cjb.net/ about 3/4 of the way down 
the page.  Also on this site is a under "stories" is  an explanation of more 
Carl Barks on stamps - for Donald's 50th birthday, WDC&S and DD covers were 
reproduced.

See http://www.stampsites.com/ for a search engine to find a dealer near you 
although they're probably still available from IGPC.

Mike
----------------
>From: "Michael Rhode" <mrhode at hotmail.com>
>I don't remember us talking about this at the time, but on October 15,
1998,
>Guyana published Christmas on Bear Mountain as a set of sheets of stamps.
>An article on it, with pictures is at:
>
>http://www.linns.com/print/archives/19981116/news3.asp
Hi,
is it still available for sale somewhere else? And at what price?

Thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal
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From bhc at primenet.com  Sat Apr 29 01:23:46 2000
From: bhc at primenet.com (bhc@primenet.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:23:46 -0700
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #143 - 29 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200004281854.UAA08218@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200004281854.UAA08218@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <f04310101b52fb953d142@[206.165.26.51]>

Lee R. wrote:

>To answer the question about the death of Gladstone, it seemed to have been
>caused by the Disney company itself. They put so many obstacles in front
>of the publisher, Mr. Bruce Hamilton, (they micro-managed stories, for
>example, and refused to let the comics be sold in their own stores (?!))
>that he decided it was not worth it anymore.  Supposedly a company called
>Diamond Comics (not Gemstone) was going to pick up the license: but I have
>heard that Disney is not really interested in selling such a license.  For
>them there is not enough profit: Gladstone was "only" selling c. 25,000
>copies per issue at the end.  You can debate whether or not that was due to
>the $6.95 price.

Some clarification: Diamond Comics Distributors, Inc. is a 
distribution company that owns Gemstone, a comics publisher. Diamond 
is the company engaged in a comics license negotiation with Disney, 
and both parties have been engaged in said negotiations for the past 
sixteen months.

Disney's take from comics is not based on sales, but on a guarantee 
agreed to by Disney and the publisher at the time of the signing of a 
license. This guarantee might be based on royalty calculations 
through the full execution of the license, i.e. x-number of issues of 
x-size of print runs distributed during x-number of years, or it 
might be whatever the publisher wants to offer or Disney asks to 
receive irrespective of such calculations. In any case, Disney's 
known for nearly a decade that the only thing they can realistically 
realize from comics is that guarantee, and all they really want to 
know is what sort of guarantee a publisher is willing to enter into, 
and under what terms. If Disney gets satisfaction, then they 
basically go home and the license runs its course.

(I know this sounds contradictory in the face of all the 
"micromanagement" reports involving Disney, but what I'm pointing to 
here is the bottom line in Disney issuing a license, not managing it.)

-- 
Gary

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it soon" - the world's smartest garbage man
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From kharman at eudoramail.com  Sat Apr 29 03:14:40 2000
From: kharman at eudoramail.com (Kevin Robert Harman)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:14:40 -0700
Subject: Submission
Message-ID: <BDGHGENNHGOEBAAA@shared1-mail.whowhere.com>

Hi, I'm a first time reciever of the DCML and first-time poster. I'm a represenative of The Long Box (http://www.longbox.com), a comics database website that's goal is to database all comics ever created. I am taking a special interest in Disney comics. I'd really appreciate it if you could help me on any Disney Series we are missing. Here are the ones we already have logged:
Chip 'N' Dale Rescue Rangers Vol. 1
Darkwing Duck Vol. 1  
The Disney Afternoon Vol. 1
Disney's Aladdin Vol. 1
Disney's Beauty & The Beast Vol. 1
Disney's Comic Hits Vol. 1
Disney's The Lion King Vol. 1
Disney's The Little Mermaid Vol. 1
Disney's The Little Mermaid Limited Series  
Disney's Pocahontas Vol. 1
Disney's The Three Musketeers Vol. 1
Mickey Mouse Adventures Vol. 1
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories Vol. 1

We only have most of the Marvel Comics. What I'm looking for is the series complete name, the year it started publishing(not required, but wanted), the publisher and numbers of issues. Here's a hook, when the series changes publishers, I need the exact number and what number it went to until it changed publishers again. This would really help us out along with Disney Comics' publicity. Thank you very much for the opportunity to post.
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From p.castagno at libero.it  Fri Apr 28 22:55:40 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:55:40 +0200
Subject: Strange website
References: <005201bfb094$a5aba080$99070e3f@u16z6>
Message-ID: <3909FACC.A118DAB2@libero.it>

Hello,

> gwtank wrote:
> http://www.palace-of-conception.de/barx.htm
[snip]

I can't read German, but I suppose the drawings are here as an
"homage" from the site owner to Unca Carl.

  - Paolo

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W"?
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From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Sat Apr 29 18:28:40 2000
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:28:40 +0700
Subject: Don Rosa in PA - PHOTOS
References: <200004281854.UAA08224@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000801bfb260$e0930800$2c199eca@kulim>

> From: "Gary Pantzer" <gpantzer at ny.tds.net>
> I finally created a web-page and put up some of the pictures
> from the meetning with Don last week. I am new at this so if
> you have trouble with it, please let me know.
> http://members.xoom.com/gpantzer/index.htm
Hi Gary, i had lotsa fun just watching the photos and reading the
descriptions. Thanks for sharing so i can also have a peek of the warm
situation there. i always enjoy looking at photos that describing the Duck
fans/artists meet together. I love all the photos which are also posted on
the INDUCKS.

Thanks,
Arie Fachrisal




From Heyraymond at aol.com  Sun Apr 30 09:28:23 2000
From: Heyraymond at aol.com (Heyraymond@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:28:23 EDT
Subject: Strange Website
Message-ID: <84.497eb45.263d3a97@aol.com>

HI EVERYONE,

        I don't often come out of the shadows to say something, but when I 
saw these, supposed Barks' drawings, I felt I needed to.  Aside from the fact 
that they are definitely not by Carl Barks, these drawings are quite 
wonderful!   What does anyone else think?  BTW, does anyone know who this 
artist is?  And where could I find their work?  Thanks in advance, for your 
help.  And I hope everything is just "ducky" with you all.

                                                            Sincerely,

                                                    Arthur S Bowman Ph.D.
                                                    Professor of Mathematics
                                                    Western Carolina 
University

                                    



From acsive at mail.mira.dk  Sun Apr 30 11:43:02 2000
From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:43:02 +0200
Subject: Magazines and albums
Message-ID: <200004300944.LAA02984@mail.mira.dk>

Have you noticed some missing words in our describing comics? 
In american we talk about comics books. That would actually be quite
selfcontradicting in my lanu?guage cause comics and books are different
things... 
In my language then, we say tegneserie, meaning drawn serie. when we
have to differ between magazines and albums, we have to say those after
the word. 
In french the word BD means drawn albums, or something around that.
When they put the comics in magazines they just put the short, to maybe
cover that it isn't an album. 
Languages are a strange and funny thing.

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk




