From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Wed Nov  1 00:56:54 2000
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:56:54 -0300
Subject: help,hilfe and apua
Message-ID: <000301c04397$edb8ae40$53e329c8@default>

Call to 800-666-D.U.C.K. and talk with an dandy guy named Gaston Gander...
Only will cost you some "dullahs"...
ja ja ja (that's my laugh)

what in duck is "apua"???

Fabio Blanco
***************************************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar








From DiazdeleonC at aol.com  Wed Nov  1 05:51:55 2000
From: DiazdeleonC at aol.com (DiazdeleonC@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:51:55 EST
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #305 - 2 msgs
Message-ID: <a.43f01f6.2730fb6b@aol.com>

I would like to unsubscribe and be off the mailing list.



From mikep at iki.fi  Wed Nov  1 12:37:22 2000
From: mikep at iki.fi (Mike Pohjola)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:37:22 +0200 (EET)
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #306 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200011011100.MAA32031@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011011328480.28143-100000@green.verkkotieto.com>

FABIO:
> > Subject: help,hilfe and apua
> what in duck is "apua"???

Surprisingly enough... it means "help" ;) (It's Finnish, so it's okay to
not understand.)

Oh, and please don't such harsh language ("duck") on this list - some
people might be offended :) From now on, I think we should all replace the
word "duck" with the text "d%#&?$@?!", like this: "My favorite character
is S%#&?ge McD%#&?$@?!."


Okay, okay - not enough sleep...

Mike Pohjola   
mikep at iki.fi            +358-50-5238399            http://www.iki.fi/mikep





From jehanzitawi at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 02:12:42 2000
From: jehanzitawi at hotmail.com (jehan zitawi)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:12:42 GMT
Subject: Disney Comics
Message-ID: <LAW2-F86FtdNTXEnSxH00003c9d@hotmail.com>

Dear all,
I am a PhD student at UMIST (Manchester Uinversity of Science and 
Technology). My research is on the translation of comic (especially Disney 
comics) from English into Arabic.
I have more than 150 Disney comics (Arabic ones which are actually a mere 
translation of English Disney comics). I wonder if you can help me in 
finding their originals, the English ones!!
I may scane the first page of each comics and send them as an attachement.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards,
Jehan Zitawi (Ms)
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From arttu_salminen at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 17:54:53 2000
From: arttu_salminen at hotmail.com (Arttu Salminen)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:54:53 EET
Subject: Aku Ankka 18/00
Message-ID: <F90F0qnqEBQdWfFMVpH000034c2@hotmail.com>

In Finnish Aku Ankka number 18/00 there was Don Rosa's storie "The Coin". 
The storie itself was great, but the layout looked a bit like it would been 
printed from internet (of course, if it would been, it would be much worse, 
I quess). So, does anyone know why was the layout like that or was it just 
my copy?

PS. "Apua" means "help" in Finnish.


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From evb at pobox.com  Wed Nov  1 18:08:16 2000
From: evb at pobox.com (Elon V. Brisola)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:08:16 -0200
Subject: Brazilian copy of Kalevala
Message-ID: <3A004E00.475E1A9F@pobox.com>

Dear DCML members,

I have an extra copy of the Brazilian "Tio Patinhas" with
Don Rosa's "Em Busca de Kalevala". This is a small sized 
mag, so it doesn't do justice to Don's detailed drawings.

I'm offering it to the first person who emails me asking 
for it. I'd appreciate if you sent me a Disney comic
magazine from your country in return, but if you don't,
that's fine anyway.

** Please email me, not the list, because I'm in digest
mode. **

Cheers,
Elon
Campinas, Brazil



From eliot508 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  1 21:24:32 2000
From: eliot508 at yahoo.com (F. A. Elliott)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:24:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "Possible" Carl Barks Mention In National Geographic?
Message-ID: <20001101202432.23429.qmail@web2007.mail.yahoo.com>

Awhile back someone on this list said there was a
chance that a brief mention may appear on (I think)
the National Geographic Webpage related to the
magazines Carl Barks used. Does anyone know if
anything became of this? Thanks and God bless,

F.A. Elliott.

=====
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A tasty morsel known as... "understanding."  (F.A. Elliott)

      




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From sonia_dyer at hp.com  Thu Nov  2 00:52:26 2000
From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1))
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:52:26 -0700 
Subject: THORK
Message-ID: <B30C9DBF55CDD3119CA30090277A764B81B88C@xcup03.cup.hp.com>

> From: "F. A. Elliott" <eliot508 at yahoo.com>
> 
> I have a public access tv show in Evansville, IN.
> There's a weekly segment called the "The Hall of Road
> Kill."

	Man, some people have WIERD hobbies :>).    I'd give Donald
10,000,000 points at least.

		Sonia 




From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr  Thu Nov  2 09:40:09 2000
From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:40:09 +0200
Subject: Lucca Comics: Part I
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001102084009.006794d4@ac.anatolia.edu.gr>

Fellow Quackeroos:

When my good friend Armando Botto invited me to visit him at his place near
Genova, he added as "bait" the comic-book convention in Lucca. I had never
visited Italy before and since I have become an "Italian" comics-wise in the
past 2-3 years teaching myself to understand Italian by reading comics (I
subscribe to TOPOLINO, the 2 "CLASSICI" titles, and ZIO PAPERONE, plus I
have found many back issues of TOPOLINO and other titles printing stories of
such greats as Scarpa, Carpi, Massimo De Vita, and Cavazzano), I thought
that it was a great chance to get a first real taste of this great country.

DAY 1: Thursday, October 26. I flew out of Thessaloniki to Milano last
Thursday, October 26, the very day I was celebrating my 39th birthday (it
was my wife's present to me! :-)). The train-ride from Malpensa airport to
downtown Milano was pleasant and while waiting for the Metro to take me to
the Central Train Station I quickly browsed thru the mass of comics piled up
at a kiosk. I nearly broke down and bought the most recent "Grandi Classici"
and "Topolino" but I decided that "patience is a virtue". I also glanced at
a few comics I used to read as a kid: Zagor and Blek!

Milano's Central Train Station was not that unfamiliar to me: I had seen it
in all its grandeur in Marco Rota's "Paperino Pendolare" and living its
buzzing, "chaotic" atmosphere was a real treat! I arrived just 10 minutes
prior to the train's departure to Savona and I quickly decided to buy a
ticket and board the train. That left me with no time to call Armando and
inform him of my arrival time, but as luck would have it, I managed to call
him from a cellular phone that a very kind young lady had the courtesy of
letting me use when we reached Genova. When I got off the train at Savona
half an hour later at 9:30 p.m., Armando was right there to greet me!

We got into his car and headed for Albisola and then to Stella where Armando
lives. His house is at a higher elevation that we reached after taking a
winding road. The view from there was magnificent as I were to discover the
following morning.

Armando's wife Michela was there and their 3-year old son Simone had fallen
asleep. That was not the first time I'd met them: Armando and Michela had
visited me last April in the U.S. After dinner we went upstairs and I had a
glimpse of Armando's comic collection--I promised to myself that I wouldn't
read anything because time was just too scarce. We discussed Italian comics
until we retited ~1:00 a.m.

DAY 2: Friday, October 27th. The next day, Friday, October 27th, was
reserved for sightseeing; Armando took the day off and after a brief stop at
Albisola for coffee and light breakfast, we decided to drive along the
Ligurian coast and trace the route of Uncle Scrooge, Donald and the kids in
Marco Rota's "La Notte del Saraceno" ("The Night of the Saracen"), one of my
all-time favorite stories. The weather was simply magnificent, spring-like.
Armed with a copy of ZP #81, re-printing the story, we drove thru the towns
of Vado Ligure, Sfotorno, Noli, Capo di Noli, and Varigotti. We made stops
at exactly the same spots along the highway immortalized in Rota's drawings
and took pictures. On our return we stopped in the summer resort town of
Varigotti and walked thru its narrow streets. It was in Varigotti's castle
that the great love story had taken place...

Around noon we decided to head for Genova. There we would have lunch first
and then walk thru the streets of downtown Genova sightseeing and looking
for...comics! We did lots of walking that afternoon; Armando took me thru
historic Genova and we made numerous stops at bookstores and street vendors
from where I made my first comics purchases: "Dollari e Pepiti", a
small-size Mondadori volume re-printing stories I was looking for by Scarpa,
Carpi, and Cavazzano, "Historia Paperia", a volume re-printing versions of
history as seen thru the eyes of the Ducks and the Mouse, "Topolino Noir", a
recent B&W volume re-printing stories scripted by Tito Faraci, and even
collections of Asterix and Sunday Snoopy stories. The street vendors gave me
a chance to find a number of back issues of "Classici" and "Grandi Classici"
re-printing stories by Scarpa, Carpi, Cavazzano, and M. De Vita that figured
prominently on my "wish-list". Stories like Scarpa's "Pippo-lupo", "L'acqua
quietante", "Le rane saltatrici", "Il richiamo della foresta", "Il recupero
del Paperic", "Il vandalo del plenilunio", Carpi's "Il revival dell'
Indipendenza", and "I Misteri dei Candelabri", and numerous Cavazzano
stories from the 70s and 80s. A stop by Mondadori's bookstore gave me a
chance to buy "Il Meglio di Zio Paperone", "Paperino", "Paper-Gol"
(re-printing in its entirety Scarpa's "Paperino ai Mondiali di Calcio"), and
"I Maestri Disney Oro" #20 dedicated to Cavazzano. I stopped buying only
when Armando's bag was chock-full of comics and couldn't hold any more!
After all, the "real" thing, the Lucca Comics Convention wasn't until the
next day!

It was early evening when we took the train to Albisola meeting with Michela
along the way. After a pasta dinner that also included fried mushrooms
freshly picked earlier by Armando's father-in-law, I went to bed to catch
some sleep, while Armando stayed up a bit longer to...index some of the
"Classici" issues I had bought earlier! 

The following day would be "Lucca Day"..............(to be continued)

Cheers,

Archontis



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Assistant Academic Dean and Associate Professor
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, Greece
Phone: +30 31 398228




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Thu Nov  2 09:56:07 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:56:07 +0100
Subject: Lucca Comics: Part I
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEDEB@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Dr. Archontis Pantsios [mailto:apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:40 AM

> while Armando stayed up a bit longer to...index 
> some of the "Classici" issues I had bought earlier! 

That's the right spirit! 8-)

--Harry.
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast/xcredits.html



From mani at sci.fi  Thu Nov  2 13:14:12 2000
From: mani at sci.fi (Ari Seppi)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:14:12 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Aku Ankka 18/00
In-Reply-To: <200011021100.MAA25526@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1001102140802.25064A-100000@simpukka>

> From: "Arttu Salminen" <arttu_salminen at hotmail.com>
> Date:   Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:54:53 EET
> 
> In Finnish Aku Ankka number 18/00 there was Don Rosa's storie "The Coin". 
> The storie itself was great, but the layout looked a bit like it would been 
> printed from internet (of course, if it would been, it would be much worse, 
> I quess). So, does anyone know why was the layout like that or was it just 
> my copy?

No, it wasn't just your copy. It was an error in the press, they printed
the black color from the wrong file.

-- 
Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/eindex.htm
Finnish Disney-publications:
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/esarja.htm




From mrhode at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 14:36:17 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:36:17 GMT
Subject: Nat'l Geographic and Barks
Message-ID: <F40mcK8r6beUzmRf6Ci00007f70@hotmail.com>


>Message: 5
>Date:   Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:24:32 -0800 (PST)
>From: "F. A. Elliott" <eliot508 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: "Possible" Carl Barks Mention In National Geographic?
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>
>Awhile back someone on this list said there was a
>chance that a brief mention may appear on (I think)
>the National Geographic Webpage related to the
>magazines Carl Barks used. Does anyone know if
>anything became of this? Thanks and God bless,
>
>F.A. Elliott.
>

Nothing's been done yet altho I think the idea's been presented to an 
editor.

Mike Rhode
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From evb at pobox.com  Thu Nov  2 16:12:08 2000
From: evb at pobox.com (Elon V. Brisola)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:12:08 -0200
Subject: Brazilian copy of Kalevala
References: <3A004E00.475E1A9F@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3A018448.F4BA393@pobox.com>

Dear friends,

The Brazilian copy of Kalevala is gone. I really wish I had 
plenty of issues to send to everybody who requested them,
but that is not possible :-( 

So, thank you for your interest, and thanks to everybody who
wrote. 

Cheers from sunny Brazil,
Elon



From mnaiman1 at home.com  Thu Nov  2 23:56:32 2000
From: mnaiman1 at home.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:56:32 -0800
Subject: Golden Picture Story books
Message-ID: <3A01F120.715365CD@home.com>

a quick census please??

How many of you own a copy of:

GOLDEN PICTURE STORY BOOK of DISNEY DUCKS

"Wonderful World of Ducks featuring Ludwig Von Drake"

Thanks,

Michael






From komix43 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 00:02:11 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:02:11 +0200
Subject: The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad
Message-ID: <OE67cJse1fTvOSQeSOz0000287f@hotmail.com>

Dear DCML members

Komix # 150 will publish the first full original edition of the "Incredible
Shrinking Tightwad" in the world! :-)
That issue will probably be a very interesting one. It will be available on
December 1. So, if anyone's want a copy, he can send me his request in my
e-mail address.
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From komix43 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 00:10:53 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:10:53 +0200
Subject: The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad
Message-ID: <OE5GXg7Vf76gAvqC8mj00000d5e@hotmail.com>

Dear DCML members

Komix # 150 will publish the first full original edition of the "Incredible
Shrinking Tightwad" in the world! :-)
That issue will probably be a very interesting one. It will be available on
December 1. So, if anyone's want a copy, he can send me his request in my
e-mail address.
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From kyrimis at cti.gr  Fri Nov  3 12:33:06 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:33:06 +0200 (EET)
Subject: The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad
In-Reply-To: <200011031100.MAA27712@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011031309460.16474-100000@dias>

APOSTOLIS:

> Komix # 150 will publish the first full original edition of the "Incredible
> Shrinking Tightwad" in the world! :-)

I saw this claim, too, but I can't help feeling that it is mistaken,
as Gladstone's censored version is hardly the only one in the world.
Perhaps they'll be printing the story in two parts, so that they can use
both the uncensored version and the extra page that Don made to convert
the story into a two-parter. They might be considering this as the "full"
version, but it is hardly the original one.

I would tend towards the claim being mistaken, as they often mention
the Gladstone version of a story as the original publication of many of
Don's stories, even though these stories had been commissioned by Egmont
and were printed before Gladstone could get a chance to print them.

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"Some people have brains and some haven't! I've got some and use 'em for
 something else besides using 'em for a rattle in muh head!"
-----




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Fri Nov  3 13:33:58 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:33:58 +0100
Subject: The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEE1A@l04.research.kpn.com>

Kriton:

> > Komix # 150 will publish the first full original edition of 
> > the "Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" in the world! :-)
> 
> I saw this claim, too, but I can't help feeling that it is mistaken,
> as Gladstone's censored version is hardly the only one in the world.

Don made an *extra* page for Gladstone. This page was later printed in
Germany too (if our Inducks information is correct).
So if Komix is printing a 25-page version, it may be considered the most
complete version. The version as Don intended it (apart from the funny
characters in the text balloons).
Still, one can argue about the term "original edition"...

--Harry.



From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr  Fri Nov  3 13:33:49 2000
From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:33:49 +0200
Subject: Lucca Comics: Part II
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001103123349.006882b0@ac.anatolia.edu.gr>

Fellow Quackeroos:

...The "Lucca Comics Travelogue" continues and concludes...

That Friday night of October 27 I had dreamed of coming up to a place with
tons of great comics I had never seen before; I must admit that I've had
this dream a few times before and when I'd wake up all would go up in smoke;
this time, however, waking up to such a dream wasn't far from reality: later
in the same day I'd find myself in Lucca!

DAY 3: LUCCA DAY, Saturday, October 28th. We woke up ~6:30 a.m. and by 7:30
we'd be on our way to Genova. We made a stop there to pick up 2 more Lucca
pilgrims, Armando's colleagues, Gianluca and Stefano. It was another
beautiful, sunny day, as if picked from the middle of May. The scenery
changed from mountainous (we crossed tens of tunnels) to hilly and plain as
we crossed into Tuscanny. Lucca Comics would open its doors at 10:00 a.m.
and last thru Wednesday, November 1. 

We reached Lucca ~11:00 a.m. and parked our car in the vast parking space in
the fair's area. It was already pretty crowded and when we reached the
ticket counters we met with a 100-meter long (and 30-meter wide!) line! We
figured it'd take us ~an hour to buy tickets and we were pretty close! While
waiting it was fun to watch many visitors dressed up in various comic-book
heroes costumes for the occasion; this masquerade also allowed the various
impostors to enter the fair for free! As hard as I looked, I wasn't able to
spot an Uncle Scrooge or a Beagle Boy---there were mostly super heroes...

Around noon we finally managed to reach the ticket counter and purchase
tickets (entry fee: 13,000 Lira or ~$6). Just before entering the fair's
gates, I met with the first of the 3 Italian dcml-members I'd meet that day:
Marco Barlotti, who had just arrived at the other end of the line having
driven from near-by Florence. Marco at first confused my name with another
Greek dcml-member (Apostolis!), but the misundestanding was quickly resolved! 

As we entered the fair's gates, we could see numerous small tops all around
housing the various exhibits. Right at the entrance we met with Leonardo
Gori, an aficionado of Italian comics and a writer of many treatises on our
beloved characters and their creators. Armando had also told me of a
"thriller" Leonardo Gori had published very recently set in the late '30s,
at the time of Hitler's visit in Florence. (This book has nothing to do with
the Ducks!) Armando was anxiously waiting from Leonardo copies of the
"Topolino Giornale" for indexing purposes, and while they went away to take
care of the "transfer", I had the first chance to look inside the first top.
It took me no more that 2 minutes to get overwhelmed by the piles of comics
everywhere in sight! My dream was coming true! By the time Armando came back
15 minutes later I managed to locate an interesting Mondadori publication on
Carpi: "Topolino & Paperino: 40 anni di grandi storie disegnate da G.B.
Carpi", which I bought instantly!

Armed with a "wish-list" we compiled earlier (actually it's a continuous
wish-list that gets continuously up-dated!), we started ramaging thru the
various Disney piles. I bought numerous "Classici" and "Grandi Classici" and
"Albi di Topolino" re-printing stories by the great Italian "Maestri", and
Armando's bag quickly started to fill up. My concern now was as to how many
books I could afford to buy (afford not in a financial sense, as comics in
Italy are dirt-cheap, but in terms of how many I could fit in my luggage for
the trip back to Greece!). 

Early in the afternoon Armando's cellular phone announced the arrival of
another dcml-member: Paolo Castagno! I have been corresponding with Paolo
for more that 3 years now and I had hoped that he'd be able to make it to
Lucca from Rome, a 5-hour drive! Until the previous night, we weren't sure
whether he'd be able to make it, so when we heard he's there, it was really
great news! We arranged a meeting at the fair's entrance and after 3 years
of virtual correspondence I was finally able to meet Paolo in person. Paolo
was accompanied by a his girl-friend (an attractive blond! :-)), who must
really be in love with Poalo, given the fact that she made the long trip to
Lucca even if she couldn't tell the difference between Donald Duck and
Asterix! :-)

We figured it was time for lunch and we quickly grabbed whatever was
available at the concession stands so as to quickly return to the comics
stands. Armando's bag was quickly filled up, and we were happy to unload its
contents to Michela and Gianluca who decided to visit the town of Lucca and
would head towards the car. 

That afternoon passed as we toured all the exhibits trying to unearth the
items on our "wish-lists". I was able to find most of the stories I had
written down and I quickly had to decide where to stop. Among the many
comics I found that day, I should mention a 1987, small-size (but
hard-cover) re-print of "Storia e Gloria della dinastia dei Paperi" (275
pages drawn by Scarpa and Carpi) that I bought for 20,000 Lira (~$9),
Mezzavilla's book on Cavazzano, "L'oro di Zio Paperone", a treatise on Uncle
Scrooge, and Mondadori's recent "Macchia Nera e tutti i cattivi" ("The
Phantom Blot and all the Villains"). I also passed up on many interesting
items that I'm already regretting doing so (like Cavazzano's non-Disney "Il
Capitan Rogers"). While not being present during the act, I should also
mention Marco Barlotti's haggling dexterity that would make Uncle Scrooge
very proud, as recounted to me by Armando as a series of offers and
counter-offers! :-)

The opening day at Lucca Comics closed its doors at 7:00 p.m. It was still
early, so the 5 of us (myself, Armando, Michela, Gianluca, and Stefano)
decided to visit Lucca for dinner. Lucca has a long history dating back to
Medieval times and its surrounding walls attest to that. Inside its walls
you find a daedalic system of narrow pathways. We took a walk while the
stores were still open before ending up at a restaurant where we enjoyed
pizzas! It was past 10:00 p.m. by the time we went back to the car and the
ride back was more sub-dued as 3 out of 5 fell asleep leaving me and Armando
(who was driving) to spend more than 2 hours discussing everything
imaginable about Italian comics and their artists. When we arrived at Stella
~1:00 a.m. we were glad to turn the clock back one hour earning one more
hour of sleep! Knowing that I'd have to wake up early the next day, I had to
find the strength to pack my piles of comics and books acquired in the past
2 days into the luggage I brought from Greece and...an extra smaller bag
borrowed from Armando!

DAY 4: Sunday, October 29. My wife's phone call woke us up at 6:00 a.m. The
weather had turned foggy and cloudy and just before Genova it started to
rain cats and dogs. Armando dropped me off at Genova's train station and we
bid good-byes. I reached Milano's Malpensa airport without any problems and
caught my 1:30 p.m. flight back to Thessaloniki. It was the END to a
fascinating 4 days. Very likely, I'll do it again, but not at Rome's
Expocartoon later this month as Armando suggested! :-)

I now have ~50 comics and books brought back from Italy and I have to find
the answer to 2 very important questions: (1) Where to store them?, and (2)
How to find the time to actually read them!

Cheers,

Archontis



---------------------------------------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean and Associate Professor
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, Greece
Phone: +30 31 398228




From komix43 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 14:09:31 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:09:31 +0200
Subject: Lucca Comics and my name!
Message-ID: <OE53t3cew8k69RKLpgT0000002c@hotmail.com>

Archontis Pantsios wrote:

>>>Marco at first confused my name with another
>>>Greek dcml-member (Apostolis!), but the misundestanding was quickly
resolved!

It seems I'm very famous in DCML :-) But how can somebody get confused with
names as "Archontis" and "Apostolis"?? Anyway, it was a really funny
misunderstanding, since I'm living only a few hundrends of km from Italy :-)

>>>Early in the afternoon Armando's cellular phone announced the arrival of
>>>another dcml-member: Paolo Castagno!

Paolo told me about his trip 2 weeks ago. Lucky you were all together! did
he bought any italian magazines?

>>>I now have ~50 comics and books brought back from Italy and I have to
find
>>>the answer to 2 very important questions: (1) Where to store them?, and
(2)
>>>How to find the time to actually read them!

(1): inside Uncle Scrooge's bin
(2): you can use the time-stopping clock from Don Rosa's "Stolen Time" (but
first you must repair it. Gyro will be a good helper!) :-)
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From danshane at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  3 14:21:41 2000
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:21:41 -0500
Subject: Golden Picture Story books
References: <3A01F120.715365CD@home.com>
Message-ID: <00dc01c04599$0535d220$0a0a0a0a@homebrew>

Got one.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Naiman" <mnaiman1 at home.com>
To: "Disney Mailing List" <dcomics at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 5:56 PM
Subject: Golden Picture Story books

> 
> How many of you own a copy of:
> 
> GOLDEN PICTURE STORY BOOK of DISNEY DUCKS
> 
> "Wonderful World of Ducks featuring Ludwig Von Drake"
 




From donrosa at iglou.com  Fri Nov  3 14:30:03 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:30:03 -0500
Subject: digest #308
References: <200011031100.MAA27712@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002b01c0459a$b58d7280$6ceeffcc@default>

> From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
> Komix # 150 will publish the first full original edition of the
"Incredible
> Shrinking Tightwad" in the world! :-)

Uh... well, yes and no. I'm looking forward to KOMIX publishing the first
*correct* full edition of that story. Egmont's version was lacking my extra
pages, Gladstone used those pages but was forced by Disney to censor other
parts with such dangerously "unhygienic" ideas like fleas and sneezing and
prunes-in-pockets... and I once tried to get the German (Ehapa) "Rosa
album" series to print the full edition by sending them all the missing
art. But not much care seemed to ever be taken in those German editions...
blah coloring, poor background lettering, easily-avoidable incorrect art on
3-part to 1-part story conversions, incorrect cover coloring and omitted
lettering, all the way to the wrong covers on several whole books... and
they apparently didn't know how to correctly copy and color that extra
"Tightwad" art I sent since it appeared fuzzy and splotchy in their
edition. On the other hand, KOMIX always does a superb job in *all* these
departments, so I look forward to their use of the story as the first NICE
full version. I hope.
(Incidentally, that German Rosa album series is now under a new editor, and
it will also only appear about once a year since they have caught up to my
current output, which in itself is very *slow*. So, I'm hoping future
editions will be something I can be prouder of.... I like all the nice
folks at Ehapa, even if that album series often embarrassed me.)





From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Fri Nov  3 14:44:53 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:44:53 +0100
Subject: Rosa's Shrinking producktion
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEE21@l04.research.kpn.com>

Don:

> "Incredible Shrinking Tightwad"
[...]
> incorrect art on
> 3-part to 1-part story conversions
[...]

Am I right in assuming that you did
- a 3-part version for Egmont
- a 1-part version (2 different splash panels)
- an extra page's worth of panels for Gladstone
?

Which version did the Germans use (apart from the Gladstone page)? The
1-part or the 3-part version?


And an only loosely related question: how was your German trip?


--Harry.
Inducks database:
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast/index.html



From UNDBKB at aol.com  Fri Nov  3 18:40:46 2000
From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:40:46 EST
Subject: "Wonderful World of Ducks featuring Ludwig Von Drake"
Message-ID: <a0.bb65b5a.2734529e@aol.com>




> How many of you own a copy of:
> 
> GOLDEN PICTURE STORY BOOK of DISNEY DUCKS
> 
> "Wonderful World of Ducks featuring Ludwig Von Drake"
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> Hey Michael, I have one!
> De-lurking for this one time,
> 


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From komix43 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 20:27:22 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:27:22 +0200
Subject: The Shrinking Tightwad again...
Message-ID: <OE13C7lAhj16tFKHZgd00000967@hotmail.com>

Don Rosa wrote:

>>>On the other hand, KOMIX always does a superb job in *all* these
>>>departments, so I look forward to their use of the story as the first
NICE
>>>full version. I hope.

I'm sure that Komix will publish the *correct* edition - as always :-) - in
1-part. Those people from Komix are always doing a superb job with your
stories! They will also put an article with the tittle "Barks and Rosa's
Little World (Microcosmos)". The only story of you which was in parts was
the "Life and Times" story.
Finally, I'm translating the text from "Next Issue of Komix":
"A world's exclusiveness! The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad: The amazing Don
Rosa's story for first time in its original, full version for a magazine!
After an accident, U.$ is been shrank and he discovers that his bin is full
of dangers, more dangerous than the Yukon's glaciers..."
Which page is the *extra* one? The 25th?
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Sat Nov  4 00:33:27 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:33:27 +0100
Subject: Web news
Message-ID: <005801c045ee$7ae784a0$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

Interested Duck fans can view any Picsou Magazine cover from:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/issue.uk.php?country=fr&abb=PM
(The images actually are linked from Daniel Deux's "PicsouMan" site.
See  http://picsouman.free.fr/)

Many Danish "Anders And & Co." covers are now also available:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/issue.uk.php?country=dk&abb=AA
(Links from "The Danish Disney Comic Cover Gallery":
http://members.nbci.com/ole_roc/index.htm)






From p.castagno at libero.it  Sat Nov  4 13:27:12 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:27:12 +0100
Subject: Lucca Comics and my name!
References: <OE53t3cew8k69RKLpgT0000002c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0400A0.8A3215EE@libero.it>

Apostolis Trikourakis wrote:
> >>>Early in the afternoon Armando's cellular phone announced the arrival of
> >>>another dcml-member: Paolo Castagno!
> 
> Paolo told me about his trip 2 weeks ago. Lucky you were all together! did
> he bought any italian magazines?

Yep: I bought some old issues of Topolino and a bunch of
Almanacco Topolino. I was lucky enough to find Almanaccos from
1967 on at 1500 Lire (~65 cents)!

The Topolino were someway more expansive: 6500 lire (less than
3$) each, but they were from the 60ties, and aren't easy to find,
or better: they are easy to find, but at higher prices!!

> >>>I now have ~50 comics and books brought back from Italy and I have to
> find
> >>>the answer to 2 very important questions: (1) Where to store them?

:-)

Luckly enough in the last months an Ikea shop opened in Rome (you
know, the DIY furniture shops from Sweden...), and a bought a new
bookcase, so I still have few centimeters to fil... and I'm sure
I'll use them after Expocartoon, the comics exhibition that will
start next 26th November in Rome!!

  - Paolo

-- 
http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
  
"Se qualcuno ti dice che il tuo aereo e' a posto, puo' darsi che
lo sia! Ma non volarci finche' non l'hai controllato tu stesso!
Questa e' la prima lezione!"
(Musone in YM 017)



From p.castagno at libero.it  Sat Nov  4 13:27:20 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:27:20 +0100
Subject: Lucca Comics: Part II
References: <1.5.4.32.20001103123349.006882b0@ac.anatolia.edu.gr>
Message-ID: <3A0400A8.4A373DE6@libero.it>

"Dr. Archontis Pantsios" wrote:
> ...The "Lucca Comics Travelogue" continues and concludes...

A very interesting report, Archontis!!!

> Early in the afternoon Armando's cellular phone announced the arrival of
> another dcml-member: Paolo Castagno! I have been corresponding with Paolo
> for more that 3 years now and I had hoped that he'd be able to make it to
> Lucca from Rome, a 5-hour drive! Until the previous night, we weren't sure
> whether he'd be able to make it, so when we heard he's there, it was really
> great news! We arranged a meeting at the fair's entrance and after 3 years
> of virtual correspondence I was finally able to meet Paolo in person. Paolo
> was accompanied by a his girl-friend (an attractive blond! :-)), who must
> really be in love with Poalo, given the fact that she made the long trip to
> Lucca even if she couldn't tell the difference between Donald Duck and
> Asterix! :-)

Well, it wasn't for free: I'm sure I'll have to attend a lot of
"interesting" conferences, such as Donald Duck in Barks "Big-top
Bedlam" (W OS  300-02)!!! ;-)

  - Paolo

-- 
http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
  
"Voi, laggiu'! L'aereo delle 14.01 che passa sopra casa mia
mentre schiaccio il pisolino pomeridiano s'intende soppresso!
Capito?"
(Governatore John Paperon in I TL  228-A)



From komix43 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  3 13:45:02 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:45:02 +0200
Subject: Lucca Comics and my name!
Message-ID: <OE54t0CI76rOJhKPc99000037c4@hotmail.com>

Paolo Castagno wrote:

>>>Yep: I bought some old issues of Topolino and a bunch of
>>>Almanacco Topolino. I was lucky enough to find Almanaccos from
>>>1967 on at 1500 Lire (~65 cents)!

Lucky - Gladstone :-) - Paolo! I'm looking for an Almanacco Topolino too.
Can you provide me with a copy? I'll send you a Komix issue for exchange.
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From jvainio at levi.urova.fi  Sun Nov  5 18:47:07 2000
From: jvainio at levi.urova.fi (Vainio Jyrki)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:47:07 +0300 (EET)
Subject: Lucca question
In-Reply-To: <200011051100.MAA26680@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10011052045570.23516-100000@levi.urova.fi>

Can you tell us more about the Lucca Con in general - what programs &
exhibitions they had and were there many cartoonists present?

---Jyrki Vainio, Finland





From oifind at online.no  Sun Nov  5 20:18:18 2000
From: oifind at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind?= K. Sigerstad)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:18:18 +0100
Subject: Do anyone have som Don Rosa stories?
Message-ID: <3A05B27A.1633160@online.no>

Do anyone have a extra copy of a Don Rosa story?
If you have one please mail me. I can send you stories from my contry in
return.

Oyvind Sigerstad oifind at online.no




From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov  6 15:37:28 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:37:28 -0500
Subject: digest #309
References: <200011041100.MAA06972@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <007101c047ff$1ed545e0$84efffcc@default>

> From: "Fluks, H.W."
> Don:
> > "Incredible Shrinking Tightwad"
> Am I right in assuming that you did
> - a 3-part version for Egmont
> - a 1-part version (2 different splash panels)
> - an extra page's worth of panels for Gladstone

From: Kriton Kyrimis
> Perhaps they'll be printing the story in two parts, so that they can use
> both the uncensored version and the extra page that Don made to convert
> the story into a two-parter.

Er... both of these statements are either incorrect or are not stated
clearly. Let me explain --
With all my stories for Egmont, I simultaneously do TWO versions. One
version (well, just as regards a certain page or pages) is the 2-part or
3-part version and has big splash panels on the top half of the first pages
of the chapters with plot-recap caption boxes and a scene that usually
recreates the last panel in the previous chapter. The other version is a
1-part version with additional story and art for the top halves of those
pages mentioned above -- in place of the splash panels there are
multi-panel half-pages with some gag or bit of plot that is not essential
for the story and won't be missed by the readers that see the serialized
versions. Both of these versions are available to Egmont publishers or
other publishers, and my ongoing challenge is four-fold:
First, I am trying hard to let all publishers know that the 1-part version
is readily available to them on request. This does not work all the time,
even when the publisher knows it -- for example, In Holland they always
print the wrong 3-part version of the story in one piece, with the annoying
and inexplicable half-page splashes suddenly interrupting the plot -- they
seem to know it's wrong but they don't want to color the pages themselves
and just use the computer-coloring that Egmont has already done on the
serialized version. (This would be annoying to me since the readers would
think that *I* am inserting these meaningless and redundant half-page
panels into my stories, but the Dutch editors don't tell their readers the
names of the people who write and draw the stories anyway, so I try not to
worry about it.)
The second challenge is to get Egmont to send the correct art even when the
publishers correctly *ask* for the 1-part version. According to the
publishers, they only receive the correct art about half the time, at least
this is what they tell me, I dunno. I sometimes must supply the publishers
with the correct art they need. It seems to me that it would be simple if
Egmont always just sent *both* versions to the publishers, but I can
imagine this would cause great confusion with those publishers who are not
so adept at understanding comics as they should be.
The third challenge is to get Egmont to send the correct script with
whatever version of the art they send. I sometimes must supply the correct
dialogue, etc., to the publishers (I did this recently for KOMIX).
The fourth challenge is to get the publishers to recognize and care whether
they get the correct art they ask for. It seems to me that this should be
painfully obvious if the editor looks at the art that he is sent -- he'll
see those sudden redundant half-page splash pages in the story's middle and
know that something is wrong -- but apparently some publishers don't pay
that much attention or something because they will use the wrong art and
say they didn't notice any problem (i.e. the German Rosa albums).
But ALL of these problems are so easily avoided since the publishers only
need to send me an e-mail when they have a problem, which I will answer
within one or two hours, and immediately send them whatever art or script
they need, all at *my own expense*. I do this for selfish reasons because I
am anxious for my stories to look nice even if I don't get paid for their
re-use.... I have a lotta pride in that stuff and I've already gone to
extra effort to make alternate versions of my stories for however a
publisher wants to use them. So I figure I am only protecting my investment
in time and effort when I spend more time and effort and my own $ to help
them use my stories in such a way that does not embarrass me. And this pays
off well with some diligent publishers to whom I am grateful!

Anyway, as for the "Incredible Shrinking Tightwad", I did not do extra art
just for Gladstone so that they could convert it into a 2-parter. That art
already existed. The extra art I did for Gladstone (and, therefore, free to
any publisher who used the story after them) was simply to expand one part
of the story that I thought was too abrupt when I had to trim pages from my
original script to fit it into the story-length limitations that Egmont
used to give me (3-parts, 8 pages per part, no more than 24 pages). Now
they have thankfully loosened that structure up so I can make two part
stories rather than 3-parters, with each part being whatever length needed
for the plot, and with the page length being anywhere up to 25-30 pages,
plus or minus. (You can't believe how much easier that makes plotting a
story for them! Thank you, Byron!)






From cnotw at zen.it  Mon Nov  6 17:00:00 2000
From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:00:00 +0100
Subject: R: Lucca question
Message-ID: <20001106145329Z28677-515586+140@merganser.its.uu.se>

Hi, Vainio and all!

> Can you tell us more about the Lucca Con in general - what programs &
> exhibitions they had and were there many cartoonists present?

Well, first of all, the convention that yesterday was concluded was NOT the
"normal" Lucca Comics.
The Ente Max M. Garnier, owner of the Lucca logo and of all the things
connected with it, didn't organize it, because the Mayor of Lucca, dr.
Pietro Fazzi, decided that he wished to "control" the most important
convention of the Lucca area. In different ways, avoiding to respect the
laws of the Ente Garnier, he gave the role of coordinating a DIFFERENT BUT
SIMILAR exhibition and convention (Lucca Comics&Games 2000) to another guy,
Renato Genovese, who accepted, and to the (former?) secretary of Garnier,
Alessandra Palamidesi.
It was a mess, like I always said and wrote.
It's really a long story to describe HOW all this could happen. I was
fighting for some months to avoid this very, very bad situation, and with me
some Garnier's members, but, at least, the Mayor's wish was (quite)
fulfilled by Genovese and his staff, made even by some of our (former)
collaborators.

With a very bad mood among the former Lucca staff, with a lot of money we
still wait to be paid, and withe the promise to Genovese to get 40 millions
lire by the organizing of this year's Con. Incidentally, we still wait the
few money we should have get from the "true" Lucca Con and we didn't see a
coin from 1998 or even before...
The Lucca Common didn't give usa a penny for the last 1999 Lucca Comics
edition. We got all the money necessary to organize it from the stand's
landing and from the tickets.

The "general" public didn't know what happened, and in the two first days of
the convention they come to visit this "Lucca Con", that was very crowded.
Some of the publishers were there (not all: not Diabolik, Disney, Play
Press, Star Comics, Mare Nero and so on). And there was a very, very small
number of cartoonists, story men and artists. Very few hosts from foreign
countries, contacted moer by some publishers than by the "organization",
coming from Argentina (Robin Wood, Gomez, Juan Zanotto, Horacio Altuna) and
from Japan (two or three animators contacted by Yamato). Then, there were
some Bonelli's artists and story men, hosted by Bonelli Publisher.
Very, very few meetings with people, no international educational panels
(like in the past) and, most of all, NOT ANY AWARDS, becaouse noone was able
to organize a commitee ar/and an international jury.

So, even if the local press wrote a lot of "good" reviews on the Con (but
some of 'em, written by the "so called" columnist Massimo Mannari, in the
"Il Tirreno" newspaper, were really partial, they 'd to be considered "the
Con's voice", and so mostly fake and untrue), in the two following day the
Fair was empty. The same official sources were compelled to admit that there
were 2.000 visitors a day (but some retailers told me that there were maybe
few hundreds).
So, no Disney artists from Italy or/and from foreign countries, no comic
book and comic strips Masters like last years. Very few columnists and only
local TVs involved.
A very, very bad page in the italian comicdom page. Not totally resolved,
because now some courts shall decide about what happened.

Ciao! We hope something better (and the respect of the laws) in the future,
but... with this Mayor I think it shall be really difficolt.

Luca









From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Mon Nov  6 18:04:12 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 18:04:12 +0100
Subject: Rosa's shrinking producktion (again)
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEE44@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Don Rosa [mailto:donrosa at iglou.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:37 PM

[to my and Kriton's statements]
> Er... both of these statements are either incorrect or are not stated
> clearly.

I had indeed some trouble expressing what I meant.

> for example, In Holland they always
> print the wrong 3-part version of the story in one piece, 
> with the annoying
> and inexplicable half-page splashes suddenly interrupting the 
> plot

One comfort may be that they do that for *all* stories. We Dutch have been
used to this kind of stories for decades. They started this when they
reprinted Murry sequences as 1 story, in the 70s.

> the Dutch editors don't tell their readers the
> names of the people who write and draw the stories anyway

Except in the OOM DAGOBERT albums, where your name is mentioned in the
editorials...

> But ALL of these problems are so easily avoided since the 
> publishers only
> need to send me an e-mail when they have a problem

The Dutch editors (at least) are still not used to corresponding by e-mail
with foreigers. For instance, most communication with the Spanish studios is
done by fax...

> Now
> they have thankfully loosened that structure up so I can make two part
> stories rather than 3-parters, with each part being whatever 
> length needed
> for the plot, and with the page length being anywhere up to 
> 25-30 pages

I'm still dreaming of enlarged versions of some of your older stories. Every
time you expanded a story, it was a real improvement. I'd love to buy comic
albums ("graphic novels") with 44-page Rosa stories in them. And lots of
other people might too...

--Harry.



From UNDBKB at aol.com  Mon Nov  6 19:35:31 2000
From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:35:31 EST
Subject: Rosa Stories
Message-ID: <2b.cc48728.273853f3@aol.com>




> Do anyone have a extra copy of a Don Rosa story?
> If you have one please mail me. I can send you stories from my contry in
> return.
> 
> Oyvind Sigerstad oifind at online.no

This e-mail address did not work!
What stories would you like?
From: Barry in the U.S.A.




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From oyvind at softhome.net  Wed Nov  8 19:50:12 2000
From: oyvind at softhome.net (Oyvind J. Karstad)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:50:12 +0100
Subject: Question for Don Rosa
Message-ID: <002f01c049b4$be24d640$5fa67dd4@karstad>

Don Rosa:
What are you working on now?

Oyvind J. Karstad




From komix43 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  8 20:28:16 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:28:16 +0200
Subject: Question for Don Rosa
Message-ID: <OE11OJhKPc99ir3wSim00000106@hotmail.com>

Oyvind Karstad wrote:

>>>Don Rosa:
>>>What are you working on now?

As I know, Don is working on the new "Life and Times" chapter, which is
taking place in Panama, 1902
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From gbalanik at med.auth.gr  Wed Nov  8 23:24:11 2000
From: gbalanik at med.auth.gr (Georgios Balanikas)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:24:11 +0200
Subject: Definite day of publication of Carl Bark's S.I.N. story
References: <200011071100.MAA14827@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <005e01c049d2$da2b3b40$a6f6dbc2@default>

Update for the definite day of "Somewhere in Nowhere " story publication:
It will be between 16th and 20th of November and it will be presented at the
Expocomic Show in Rome.
It is a great possibility that Patrick Block himself will be present.
This edition will be hardbound (third in the Il Tresori series), bilingual
,Italian and English, including also an article about the artists and how
the story was made with some roughs with CB notes.
Georgios







From hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de  Thu Nov  9 12:31:20 2000
From: hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de (Hans Kiesl)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:31:20 GMT+0100
Subject: The Comics Journal: Barks tribute 
In-Reply-To: <200011091100.MAA21492@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <5D61B7973@urz01.urz.uni-bamberg.de>

The Comics Journal #227 has a special section on Carl Barks. 
Quote from their website:

Remembering the Good Duck Artist Bruce Hamilton, Geoffrey Blum, Don 
Rosa, R. C. Harvey, Gary Groth and an all-star 
assembly of comicdom's finest pay their respects to 
one of the most influential cartoonists of the 
Twentieth Century, in a special section containing 
tributes, commentary, artwork and interview excerpts 
from the Man himself. 
http://www.tcj.com/1_frontdesk/stands.html

Anyone got that issue? Is it worth buying?

-Hans-



From K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com  Thu Nov  9 14:48:49 2000
From: K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com (Kristian PEDERSEN)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:48:49 +0100 
Subject: Election
Message-ID: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C30156EC6@PROXIMA>

This is a very silly association to get, but the current presidential
election reminds me of a contest between Scrooge McDuck and Flintheart
Gloomgold. I mean, Bush and Gore are so close that it's ridiculous. In my
mind's eye I can't help seeing the Florida votes in two gigantic piles on
the floor, with the contestants anxiously watching from the sidelines... 

Kristian :)



From erik.bergwall at telia.com  Thu Nov  9 15:35:04 2000
From: erik.bergwall at telia.com (Erik Bergwall)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:35:04 +0100
Subject: Don story in sweden
Message-ID: <002201c04a5a$40de5ac0$0fbd43c3@n1p2g1>

Hi.

Is it someone that knows when "Attaaack!" are getting published in Sweden? 

Regards,
Erik Bergwall
www.dizzni.com
erik.bergwall at telia.com
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From donrosa at iglou.com  Thu Nov  9 14:56:52 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:56:52 -0500
Subject: digest #313
References: <200011091100.MAA21487@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <004e01c04a5a$ee40a560$64ecffcc@default>

> From: "Oyvind J. Karstad"
> Don Rosa:
> What are you working on now?

> From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
> As I know, Don is working on the new "Life and Times" chapter, which is
> taking place in Panama, 1902

I'm slow, but not *that* slow! I finished that story about a month ago,
before I left on my German tour.
This week I'm working on private commissions and today I am finishing a
pin-up for PICSOU for that "Lo$" story about Panama 1906 (not 1902) which I
did for France. Next I need to design another special cover for AKU ANKKA
for when they use my "Attaaaaack!" story in the #1/2001 issue. Only then
will I try to figure out what my next story will be, but I guess it will be
something for Egmont.





From komix43 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  9 22:24:47 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:24:47 +0200
Subject: digest #313
Message-ID: <OE35GM3h3vLgAusVxON0000020a@hotmail.com>

Don Rosa wrote:

>>>I'm slow, but not *that* slow! I finished that story about a month ago,
>>>before I left on my German tour.

Sorry Don, I didn't knew that!

>>>I am finishing a
>>>pin-up for PICSOU for that "Lo$" story about Panama 1906 (not 1902) 

I realized my mistake about the wrong year AFTER I sent the mail.
BTW, which is the new chapter's tittle?
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From p.castagno at libero.it  Fri Nov 10 08:47:51 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:47:51 +0100
Subject: Definite day of publication of Carl Bark's S.I.N. story
References: <200011071100.MAA14827@numerus.ling.uu.se> <005e01c049d2$da2b3b40$a6f6dbc2@default>
Message-ID: <3A0BA827.5E3B748@libero.it>

Georgios Balanikas wrote:
> 
> Update for the definite day of "Somewhere in Nowhere " story publication:
> It will be between 16th and 20th of November and it will be presented at the
> Expocomic Show in Rome.

I'll surely be there (BTW, is there any other list member who
will visit Expocartoon?)!

> It is a great possibility that Patrick Block himself will be present.

May I ask you where yuor news are from? (Just curious).

> This edition will be hardbound (third in the Il Tresori series), bilingual
> ,Italian and English, including also an article about the artists and how
> the story was made with some roughs with CB notes.

And please let me add that in the previous 2 issues the articles
were very interesting, and the "editorial" look was also very
good.

  - Paolo

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From f95thwi at dd.chalmers.se  Fri Nov 10 12:27:12 2000
From: f95thwi at dd.chalmers.se (Theresa Wiegert)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:27:12 +0100 (MET)
Subject: $crooge for president
In-Reply-To: <200011101100.MAA26027@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011101223080.22878-100000@galadriel.dd.chalmers.se>

> From: Kristian PEDERSEN <K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com>
> This is a very silly association to get, but the current presidential
> election reminds me of a contest between Scrooge McDuck and Flintheart
> Gloomgold. I mean, Bush and Gore are so close that it's ridiculous. In my
> mind's eye I can't help seeing the Florida votes in two gigantic piles on
> the floor, with the contestants anxiously watching from the sidelines... 
:D :D :D Hahahaa!!!!!!!! :) 
That's the most wonderful picture of it I've ever "seen"! I will never be
able to look upon those candidates in anther way from now on! Thank
you! You made my day (and my entire political view)!!!!

Quacks and regards
-- 
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From timoro at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 10 13:53:49 2000
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:53:49 EET
Subject: The Comics Journal: Barks tribute 
Message-ID: <F589wGmAf0MjkatwD43000005ce@hotmail.com>

>From: "Hans Kiesl" <hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de>
>Organization: uni-bamberg
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:31:20 GMT+0100
>Subject: The Comics Journal: Barks tribute
>
>The Comics Journal #227 has a special section on Carl Barks.
>Quote from their website:
>
>Remembering the Good Duck Artist Bruce Hamilton, Geoffrey Blum, Don
>Anyone got that issue? Is it worth buying?

It sure is. The Barks section is thicker alone than most fanzines. It covers 
about half of the entire issue (which is almost 170 pgs).
Great stuff. Entire 1975, Ault-Barks-interview... etc...

Timo

PS: To all Finns out there: HUOM SUOMALAISET BARKS-FANIT!
You can get your copy of CJ from Good-Fellows -comic-store in Helsinki. 
Unintended ad [and unpaid ;-)], sorry.

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Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"

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From kyrimis at cti.gr  Fri Nov 10 13:02:22 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:02:22 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Election
In-Reply-To: <200011101100.MAA26039@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011101349001.11730-100000@dias>

KRISTIAN:

> I can't help seeing the Florida votes in two gigantic piles on
> the floor, with the contestants anxiously watching from the sidelines... 

...and the winner being decided by the height of the pile, rather than
the number of votes!

Whoever loses the election will regret having spent money to replace
the broken window pane just under the top of his vote pile, instead of
spending it on his campaign...

I wonder what they do with votes after an election is over. Do they
keep them in enormous vote bins, to preserve them as a form of record
of the election?  Do winners get to dive in the votes like porpoises,
burrow in them like gophers, and throw them in the air letting them hit
them on the head?

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Fri Nov 10 13:03:59 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:03:59 -0500
Subject: CJ#227
Message-ID: <000d01c04b0e$55c6ef60$831b01cf@pavilion>

Hans Kiesl wrote (in part) in  DCML  #314:
>The Comics Journal #227 has a special section on Carl Barks.
>Anyone got that issue? Is it worth buying?

I bought a copy for a friend and partially read it (there was very much
material on Barks as well as the tributes). The Barks cover (front-to-
back) is very nice. It seemed to me there was a small problem with 
Don's contribution. There was a page break in mid-sentence and it 
seemed that some of the text was lost at that point. I would think it
is worth the $6 to a real Barks fan. WARNING: there are somes ads
with 'soft-porn' pictures. I only note this for members who are not
familiar with CJ and may be offended.
gary





From cnotw at zen.it  Fri Nov 10 14:23:09 2000
From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:23:09 +0100
Subject: Rick Marschall and Virginia Davis in Rome
Message-ID: <20001110132319Z530444-405838+153@merganser.its.uu.se>

Hi, all! 
My friend Rick Marschall (whom you'll know very well, I think), tells me a
very interesting new, that I turn to all the Disney fans in this list. I
quote some lines from his letter...
About the next ExpoCartoon, where Rick shall be hosted...
>
> (...) I am bringing with me a guest -- Virginia
> Davis, the woman who starred in Disney's first cartoons, "Alice in
> Cartoonland," 1923-24, before Mickey.
>
> I am sure you would like to see her. Is there a chance that you might round
> up some Disney fans / scholars who would like the opportunity to meet and
> talk with her? You might even have an idea for something (understand,
> however, I'm NOT asking you to especially host or fund something... just
> suggest an idea or person who might...).

Well, I don't know if I'll be in Rome, indeed... This meeting seems to be
interesting! Virginia must be very old!

Any ideas?

Ciao!

Luca



From kfitz at halcyon.com  Fri Nov 10 21:42:19 2000
From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:42:19 -0800
Subject: Election
References: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C30156EC6@PROXIMA>
Message-ID: <010701c04b56$ba1e6a40$18eb39cc@kfitz>

Hi, Kriton!

In the USA there is the inaccurate idea perpetuate endlessly by the media
that the Democratics represent poor and middle class Americans.  Your
analogy pretty much is how it is, both candidates are rich.  Neither are
poor.  Our Congressional Representatives make something in excess of
$160,000.00 a year regardless of which party they belong to, and voted
themselves automatic pay raises.  Prior to this election they basically
shook hands across the aisle and agreed that neither side would stand up and
say self righteously that they would not accept the raise this year and they
quietly did just that.  No wonder I vote alternative party candidates
whenever they are available unless one of the "mainstream" candidates stands
for truth, justice and the American way so to speak instead of lining their
own pockets.

Part of the problem is the news media announced called the electation
stating it as fact not a guess at 7:50 eastern standard time, prior to even
east coast closing the polls. Is there such as thing as media bias in our
country?  Beyond that there is such a rush for ratings there is definitely
irresponsibility and carelessness.

There is also a reason I do not want ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.  I do watch CSpan.
I like my news as objective as possible not laced with personal opinions.
But more than that I love Ducks.

Kathy




From nils at math.uio.no  Sat Nov 11 00:42:19 2000
From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:42:19 +0100
Subject: big Disney comics auction in Stockholm 
Message-ID: <200011102342.AAA10193@janus.uio.no>

Perhaps this has already been discussed? At any rate,
this auction deserves mention on the list. It's really
BIG, and must be the biggest Disney comics auction ever
held on Nordic territorium. Its main focus is perhaps
that of rare, old, excellently kept Swedish stuff,
old #1/1948 and earlier Disney albums, etc., etc..

At the same time they offer a rather astonishing amount 
of American material 1935-1970(?). They have nearly
every issue of Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #1-300,
Uncle Scrooge #1-70, old Donald Duck, old Mickey Mouse,
old Mickey Mouse Magazine pre WD C&S, Parades, etc., etc.
Not since the times of "Barks Friends" of Oslo 1979-1991 (?)
have such a wonderful amount of original Barks et al.
comics been up for sale in Scandinavia.  

Where and when? Stockholm, Day 1 = Sat Nov 18,
Day 2 = Sun Nov 19, Klara Soedra Kyrkogata 20. Items are shown 
08:30 - 12:00; auction takes place 13:00 - 20:00 each day. 

Two beautiful catalogues have been produced, including 
several colour reproductions of covers. One may bid 
"long distance" by mail or fax of phone. Main contact person
seems to be: 
	Frank Blekenberg
	(+46 for Sweden, isn't it?) - 08 511 700 49 
	bokskapet at telia.com 

I just thought you should all know about this ...
	Nils Lid Hjort



From mrhode at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 11 02:49:11 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:49:11 GMT
Subject: Barks sketches on ebay
Message-ID: <F224Zs3Mpw6yL2m9lHi000001d5@hotmail.com>


From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Sat Nov 11 08:23:14 2000
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:23:14 -0300
Subject: Rick Marschall and Virginia Davis in Rome
Message-ID: <000201c04bb1$9d6dfea0$79e329c8@default>

>Well, I don't know if I'll be in Rome, indeed... This meeting seems to be
>interesting! Virginia must be very old!
>
>Any ideas?

Yep. You can't say that for a lady... I mean, make mention to his age...
tss.. tss...

Fabio Blanco

************************
Les demostrare que soy un tipo bien duro, resistente, despierto! Contare
asi: una oveja, dos ovejas, tres ovejas... zzzzzzzz!!!!
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From ransom at club-internet.fr  Sat Nov 11 18:21:44 2000
From: ransom at club-internet.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gougassian_Micha=EBl?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:21:44 -0000
Subject: One more newcomer
Message-ID: <000401c04c04$4aab62e0$4ca52cd5@qsdfsf>

Hello everybody
I just discovered (and subscribed to) the DCML mailing list. It's really nice to see so many Disney comics fans from all over the world.
As it turns out, I have a few questions...
- First of all, I'd like to know if anybody out there would be interested in trading Disney comics. I'm from France and particularly interested in Italian disney comics (mainly Topolino). (I tried to subscribe to Topolino once but it didn't seem to work... Never got a single issue).
Of course, comics from other countries are also welcome...
So, if you're interested, feel free to mail me at the adress above.
Thanks.



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From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Sun Nov 12 20:57:37 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:57:37 +0100
Subject: Picsou #346 is out
Message-ID: <000d01c04ce2$d1fb4880$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

I'll list here the stories this new issue features:

- Don Rosa pin-up, in hommage to the "The Golden Helmet" by Carl Barks (I'll
try to make a scan of it)
- "The Golden Helmet", story and art by Carl Barks
- 8 pages long story from WDC 58 by Carl Barks - this is the first French
publication to my knowledge
- 10 pager from WDC 228 by Carl Barks - remake of the story mentioned above
- Maharadjah Donald by Carl Barks
- rare Taliaferro gags
- letters of Picsou Magazine readers on Carl Barks's death

  Francois Willot
(Lille, France)




From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Sun Nov 12 21:09:57 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:09:57 +0100
Subject: New Pin-ups
Message-ID: <001901c04ce4$8add7e80$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

I have now uploaded scans of the latest Rosa pin-ups:
http://members.forez.com/theophile/FC_PM__346D_2.jpg (small)
http://members.forez.com/theophile/FC_PM__346D.jpg (big)
Other examples of recent Rosa pin-ups are on the same directory.

  Francois




From cnotw at zen.it  Sun Nov 12 20:24:08 2000
From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:24:08 +0100
Subject: R: DCML digest, Vol 1 #315 - Rick Marschall and Virginia Davis in
	 Rome 
Message-ID: <20001112200735Z4702-445028+222@merganser.its.uu.se>

Thank you, Chuck!

Luca



From sgarcia at uf-isf.es  Mon Nov 13 10:38:15 2000
From: sgarcia at uf-isf.es (Santiago Garcia Banhos)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:38:15 +0100
Subject: The heavy Bassotti
In-Reply-To: <200011121646.RAA27627@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002301c04d55$72c5abd0$34446f0a@ufisf.es>

Italian members:

A friend of mine told me there was an Italian heavy rock group named 'I
bassotti' (Beagle Boys in Italian). Is that true? And, is it known if they
pay copyrights to disney?

;-)

Santiago.

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From jhl at gmx.li  Mon Nov 13 13:07:57 2000
From: jhl at gmx.li (Jon Halvor Lund)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:07:57 +0100 (MET)
Subject: New member / Spanish translations?
Message-ID: <24867.974117277@www29.gmx.net>

Hello, my name is Jon, I?m a Norwegian, but currently live in Barcelona,
Spain. I start right off with a question: How much of the classic Disney
comics is translated into Spanish, and where/how can it be bought? It does not
seem to be known here at all. Even specialized comics shops don't have
anything.

Jon

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From sschridde at gmx.de  Mon Nov 13 15:00:31 2000
From: sschridde at gmx.de (Soeren Schridde)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:00:31 +0100 (MET)
Subject: 3 Caballeros in Germany
Message-ID: <24380.974124031@www38.gmx.net>

Hi all,

just a short note that Don's "3 Caballeros" is being printed in the German
weekly Micky Maus - first part in the stores this Thursday (but as a lucky
subscriber I'm ahead a few days...)

:-)
Must confess that the little background details stretching over several
panels were fun and after a long time gave me the feeling of exploring a comic
masterpiece again - reading it several times and finding a new detail every
time...

yours,

Soeren

sschridde at gmx.de

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From p.castagno at libero.it  Sun Nov 12 13:01:50 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:01:50 +0100
Subject: The Comics Journal: Barks tribute
References: <F589wGmAf0MjkatwD43000005ce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0E86AE.C36766A2@libero.it>

Hello,

> >The Comics Journal #227 has a special section on Carl Barks.

Can someone provide me with infos on how to buy copies of it?

  - Paolo

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From cnotw at zen.it  Mon Nov 13 23:27:47 2000
From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:27:47 +0100
Subject: R: The Comics Journal: Barks tribute
Message-ID: <20001113221001Z4752-72514+4@merganser.its.uu.se>

 Hello, All!
> 
>> >The Comics Journal #227 has a special section on Carl Barks.
>
> Can someone provide me with infos on how to buy copies of it?
>
>   - Paolo

I'm interested, too... I'm not sure, but maybe there's a chance to have that
interview translated in Italian, if it's possible. Maybe Don Ault is "in
tune"?

Thank you, all.

Luca



From dellarciprete at tiscalinet.it  Tue Nov 14 00:44:10 2000
From: dellarciprete at tiscalinet.it (Ugo Dell'Arciprete)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:44:10 +0100
Subject: R: DCML digest, Vol 1 #314 - 6 msgs
References: <200011101100.MAA26045@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <021901c04dcf$4379d200$14780b3e@arciprete>

----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Paolo Castagno <p.castagno at libero.it>
> I'll surely be there (BTW, is there any other list member who
> will visit Expocartoon?)!

I should be there, probably on Saturday afternoon. Anybody else? Marco?
Hi
Ugo




From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Tue Nov 14 04:55:47 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:55:47 -0500
Subject: Barks tribute in TV Guide
Message-ID: <001f01c04def$6f89d3c0$a9d431cf@pavilion>

Minor notice: I found an unexpected tribute to Mr. Barks in
this week's TV Guide. I assume the reason for it being this
late after his death is their publication schedule.
gary




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Nov 14 09:26:23 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:26:23 +0100
Subject: Barks
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEEC6@l04.research.kpn.com>

Gary wrote:

> I found an unexpected tribute to Mr. Barks in
> this week's TV Guide.

Which reminds me: this week, issue #105 of the Dutch series "De Beste
Verhalen" was published. (It's the Dutch "Carl Barks Library in Color", if
you want. Issue #1 was released in 1975. Until the American CBL appeared, it
was the best Barks collection in the world...)
On the inside front, there is a short notice about the fact that Barks died.
They printed a drawing that Daan Jippes made a few years ago (1994 I think),
showing Barks leaving the room, while his footprints are in the shape of
duck feet. The accompanying text is: "Carl Barks 1901 - 2000. But he will
leave his marks for a long time" (*).
Quite an appropriate drawing, even if Jippes didn't draw it for this
occasion.

--Harry.
(*) "Carl Barks 1901-2000. Maar hij zal nog lang zijn sporen nalaten"



From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Tue Nov 14 09:56:56 2000
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:56:56 -0200
Subject: Brazilian Kalevala...again!
Message-ID: <005901c04e18$d8dfc860$308ae3c8@v2h5i1>

Hi Disney Comics Fans!!!!

Finally, after a month, my computer is back, remodeled and working again!
I'm responding lot's off mails from some friends, members off the list...:),
and reading all the mails off the last month from the list...Arf!

I bought two editions off the "Tio Patinhas'" , with the Kalevala history,
and I have other issue off this comic with Rosa's Escape From Forbidden
Valley, and I can send to the menbers that send privatelly e-mails to
me...as Elon, I will be very happy to change with some comic from your
countrie!

And thank you very much to Stefan Persson, Paulo Melo and Francois Willot,
that post lists with the brazilian Disney histories published on there
countries this year!

Fernando!

"-Ora...O que gastei com voc?s ? mixaria perto do valor destes cheques!
-NOOO$$$A!"

Rocha Vaz to Z? Carioca and friends in "Numa Boa Com o Sogr?o?"by Arthur
Faria Jr and Gustavo Machado.




From gbalanik at kat.forthnet.gr  Tue Nov 14 23:28:14 2000
From: gbalanik at kat.forthnet.gr (Georgios Balanikas M.D.)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:28:14 +0200
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <008101c04e8a$313cdea0$86895cc1@default>


 A question to the members of the list:
 Does anyone know any special kind of glue which's chemical synthesis
doesn't  hurt the paper of original artwork?
 Georgios







From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Wed Nov 15 02:58:42 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:58:42 -0500
Subject: TV Guide
Message-ID: <005d01c04eac$3f15ab20$9cd431cf@pavilion>

I've had a few members ask me about the Barks tribute in TV Guide.
The issue is for THIS week for dates of  Nov 11-17 with a Beatles 
2000 cover (4 different covers-one for each Beatle...they are all the 
same on the inside). The Barks tribute is quite small (about 1/4 of a 
page) with a small picture of him and about 100 words in 2 paragraphs.
 TV-Guide costs $2.50 and IMHO is not worth the price if all you 
want is this Barks item.





From sgarcia at uf-isf.es  Wed Nov 15 10:41:01 2000
From: sgarcia at uf-isf.es (Santiago Garcia Banhos)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:41:01 +0100
Subject: New member / Spanish translations?
In-Reply-To: <200011141100.MAA01869@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000c01c04ee8$2a8ee180$34446f0a@ufisf.es>

> Hello, my name is Jon, I?m a Norwegian, but currently live in Barcelona,
> Spain. I start right off with a question: How much of the classic Disney
> comics is translated into Spanish, and where/how can it be
> bought? It does not
> seem to be known here at all. Even specialized comics shops don't have
> anything.
>
> Jon

Well, first and foremost, welcome to this list, Jon. I am Spanish (from
Madrid) and I'm sorry to tell you it's been several years ago that they
stopped publishing Disney comics here. The only way to get some is to search
around old-book shops, or you may lurk in the internet newsgroups, etc, to
find someone to sell his old collection (sometimes you can success).

The classic Disney stories (Barks, Murry, Strobol, Scarpa, Cavazzano, etc)
were translated into Spanish from the 50's until the 80's in several
collections, but they are out of sell now. The most recent publication I've
seen was Don Rosa's LO$ in 1997, which surprisingly selled off in few
months, and I haven't been able to find even a single issue since then. :-(

Any other info, please feel free to contact me by private email.

Santiago.




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Wed Nov 15 10:59:03 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:59:03 +0100
Subject: New member / Spanish translations?
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEEDB@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Santiago Garcia Banhos [mailto:sgarcia at uf-isf.es]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:41 AM

> The most recent publication I've
> seen was Don Rosa's LO$ in 1997, which surprisingly selled off in few
> months, and I haven't been able to find even a single issue 
> since then. :-(

I found several OLE DISNEY albums in Barcelona, last year. Not only with
Don's Life of Scrooge stories, but also others.
For an index, see
http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/inducks/files/various/spain.issues
(this should be all on 1 line).

--Harry.



From kyrimis at cti.gr  Wed Nov 15 12:23:41 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:23:41 +0200 (EET)
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #319 - 5 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200011151100.MAA16246@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011151312260.20358-100000@dias>

GARY:

>  TV-Guide costs $2.50 and IMHO is not worth the price if all you 
> want is this Barks item.

$2.50???

If a magazine with the circulation and distribution of TV Guide, which is
available practically everywhere and almost everyone who owns a TV buys
a copy each week, costs $2.50, how much do comic books cost over there,
and how much would they have to charge for the less popular Disney comics
if they ever managed to get the license to produce them?

(If memory doesn't fail me, when I was in the US 10 years ago, TV guide
cost less that a dollar.)

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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From halvor.sandven at dnb.no  Wed Nov 15 13:05:15 2000
From: halvor.sandven at dnb.no (Sandven, Halvor)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:05:15 +0100
Subject: Gattino
Message-ID: <20001115120756Z243712-60864+131@merganser.its.uu.se>

Hello!

In the last number of the norwegian weekly, there was a story about Donald
getting a visit by a "living brain", and him trying to make money out of
this creature (D 99201). At the first look at this story I thought the art
was by Branca, but it was done by a woman named Wanda Gattino (and written
by Janet Gilbert). I have never seen her art before, but it looked quite
promising (and very much like Branca). Looking in the INDUCKS, I find just
one other story by this woman. This is 'Sub-Sub-Zero' (D98080), and here she
is the writer, together with Branca (who also is the artist). I remember I
noticed this story, because I couldn't remember having seen Branca credited
as a writer before. Does anyone have some more information on Wanda Gattino
and her connection with Branca? Also, it looks like new work from Branca is
rather seldom seen these days. Does anyone know what he's doing at this
time?
---Halvor



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From reimersholme at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 15 18:55:28 2000
From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:55:28 +0100
Subject: Gattino
References: <20001115120756Z243712-60864+131@merganser.its.uu.se>
Message-ID: <OE47l6Dcu4nODENdwDW00001680@hotmail.com>

Due to some errors in Inducks, two stories (and another one probably made by
this person) are credited to "Walter Gattino".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandven, Halvor" <halvor.sandven at dnb.no>
To: "DCML (E-post)" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:05 PM
Subject: Gattino


> Hello!
>
> In the last number of the norwegian weekly, there was a story about Donald
> getting a visit by a "living brain", and him trying to make money out of
> this creature (D 99201). At the first look at this story I thought the art
> was by Branca, but it was done by a woman named Wanda Gattino (and written
> by Janet Gilbert). I have never seen her art before, but it looked quite
> promising (and very much like Branca). Looking in the INDUCKS, I find just
> one other story by this woman. This is 'Sub-Sub-Zero' (D98080), and here
she
> is the writer, together with Branca (who also is the artist). I remember I
> noticed this story, because I couldn't remember having seen Branca
credited
> as a writer before. Does anyone have some more information on Wanda
Gattino
> and her connection with Branca? Also, it looks like new work from Branca
is
> rather seldom seen these days. Does anyone know what he's doing at this
> time?
> ---Halvor
>
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From Mark.Doukakis at nbc.com  Wed Nov 15 20:40:24 2000
From: Mark.Doukakis at nbc.com (Doukakis, Mark (NBC))
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:40:24 -0500
Subject: TV Guide
Message-ID: <4B71D51B417DD4119600000AD1313397050021@LA04NBCGE>

GARY:TV-Guide costs $2.50 and IMHO is not worth the price if all you want is
this Barks item.KRITON:
$2.50??? 
(If memory doesn't fail me, when I was in the US 10 years ago, TV guide cost
less that a dollar.)

Today, TV Guide normally costs $1.99. The current issue, at $2.49, is a
special collectors' issue and is printed with four different cover versions,
each with a picture of one of the Beatles.

Mark


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From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr  Thu Nov 16 12:58:20 2000
From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:58:20 +0200
Subject: TV Guide
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001116115820.0068a390@ac.anatolia.edu.gr>

MARK:

>Today, TV Guide normally costs $1.99. The current issue, at $2.49, is a
>special collectors' issue and is printed with four different cover versions,
>each with a picture of one of the Beatles.

If the four different covers are what make it a "special collector's issue",
then they've been putting out such issues for months now: I spent 8 months
in the U.S. earlier in the year, and I'd notice every week multiple cover
issues since January 2000. If I remember correctly the price was $2.49.

Cheers,

Archontis



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From skyrat13 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 16 13:42:12 2000
From: skyrat13 at hotmail.com (Becca Ridout)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:42:12 EST
Subject: tv guide
Message-ID: <F261WO6hm8Ua8d9Ee4z0000084c@hotmail.com>

Kriton,
You guessed it....comic book collecting is becoming a very expensive hobby 
in the US.
Most comic book titles cost between $3 to $5 (sob!).
Back in the glorious ol' days of Gladstone, Disney comics cost $1.95.

rebecca




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From elenabaldi at libero.it  Thu Nov 16 12:10:14 2000
From: elenabaldi at libero.it (Elena Baldi)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:10:14 -0000
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <000201c0501a$335d53e0$1d841a97@karlsand>

You can use wheat starch  or CMC (carboxy methyl cellulose).
They are both water soluble and are widely used in paper conservation.
Where you get it I don't know as I threw away all my catalogues before I
last moved (I do stupid things now as I need them too). Possibly a good art
shop might have them or could order it for you.
The are both water soluble and can easily be removed if something goes wrong
(e.g. bad storage in high humidity).
Elena

-----Original Message-----
From: Georgios Balanikas M.D. <gbalanik at kat.forthnet.gr>
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Date: 14 November 2000 22:28
Subject: Question


>
>
> A question to the members of the list:
> Does anyone know any special kind of glue which's chemical synthesis
>doesn't  hurt the paper of original artwork?
> Georgios
>
>
>
>
>




From gpantzer at ny.tds.net  Fri Nov 17 02:53:18 2000
From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:53:18 -0500
Subject: TV Guide (again)
Message-ID: <001301c05045$7b8bd120$9cd431cf@pavilion>

My apologies for any confusion about the usual price of TV Guide
and thanks to Mark Doukakis for explaining that this issue I spoke
of was a 'special'. Kriton may be right about the price from 10 years
ago. I do remember a time when it was only 25 cents, but it has now
become part magazine and program schedule. Not everyone with a
tv purchases TVG because any local newspaper has a daily schedule
and larger town papers often have a weekly section with a complete 
schedule for the coming week.

I would answer Kriton's question about the price of comic books in
the USA, but I was only buying Gladstone's duck titles in the last few
years and I have not bought any since their finish. At the end, I was
(gladly!) paying $6.95 for the 'prestige' format. 
Gary




From jlfarr495 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 17 14:48:53 2000
From: jlfarr495 at yahoo.com (Joseph Farrell)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:48:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: TV Guide (again)
Message-ID: <20001117134853.780.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com>

I think that relatively few people purchase TV GUIDE
at the newsstand price. Like millions of others, I
receive it by mail subscription at a radically
discounted rate. Gary is correct --- there are many
other ways of obtaining TV listings (newspapers, web
sites, onscreen menus) and TV GUIDE must provide
useful collateral content to survive. I enjoy that
content, but I would rather be spending the money on
new Gladstones!

Joe Farrell


Gary Pantzer:

   My apologies for any confusion about the usual
price of TV Guide
and thanks to Mark Doukakis for explaining that this
issue I spoke
of was a 'special'. Kriton may be right about the
price from 10 years
ago. I do remember a time when it was only 25 cents,
but it has now
become part magazine and program schedule. Not
everyone with a
tv purchases TVG because any local newspaper has a
daily schedule
and larger town papers often have a weekly section
with a complete 
schedule for the coming week.

I would answer Kriton's question about the price of
comic books in
the USA, but I was only buying Gladstone's duck titles
in the last few
years and I have not bought any since their finish. At
the end, I was
(gladly!) paying $6.95 for the 'prestige' format. 
Gary





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From Cebarat at aol.com  Fri Nov 17 16:14:22 2000
From: Cebarat at aol.com (Cebarat@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:14:22 EST
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #321 - 4 msgs
Message-ID: <43.cc34caa.2746a54e@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/17/2000 6:04:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Becca 
Ridout" <skyrat13 at hotmail.com> writes:

>  Back in the glorious ol' days of Gladstone, Disney comics cost $1.95.

Back in the even MORE glorious days of 1986, when Gladstone comics first hit 
the market, each issue cost under one dollar.   :-)

Chris Barat




From Mark.Doukakis at nbc.com  Sat Nov 18 00:36:37 2000
From: Mark.Doukakis at nbc.com (Doukakis, Mark (NBC))
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:36:37 -0500
Subject: Glory (Gladstone) Days
Message-ID: <4B71D51B417DD4119600000AD131339705002A@LA04NBCGE>


> >  Back in the glorious ol' days of Gladstone, Disney comics cost $1.95.
> 
> 	-Rebecca
> 
> 
> > Back in the even MORE glorious days of 1986, when Gladstone comics first
> hit 
> the market, each issue cost under one dollar.
> 
> 	-Chris Barat
> 
> 
> I would gladly pay ten times one dollar for resumed Gladstones!
> 
> Mark Doukakis
> 
> 
> 
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From JALustig at aol.com  Sat Nov 18 04:23:58 2000
From: JALustig at aol.com (JALustig@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:23:58 EST
Subject: Van Horn articles and eBay
Message-ID: <e4.d382962.2747504e@aol.com>

I wanted to let people know about a couple of articles about William Van 
Horn--as well as do some semi-shameless promotion for both Bill and myself.  

Comics Buyer's Guide #1410 has a full-page article (with picture) written by 
Bill Van Horn about his collaboration with Carl Bark in creating "Horsing 
Around With History." Also in that issue is one my latest Last Kiss cartoon. 
(Last Kiss is a regular feature in Comics Buyer's Guide.)

There's also a much smaller article about Bill in the current issue of the 
Cartoonists Northwest Newsletter "Penstuff." The article describes Bill's 
talk in August to CNN members. The article has also been posted on CNN's web 
site at:

http://www.cartoonists.net

Also on the site are pictures of me and other CNN members at an exhibit at 
the Northwest Bookfest. Cartoonist Roberta Gregory (daughter of Disney comic 
book artist/writer Bob Gregory) was among the CNN members at the Bookfest. 
There's also a link to my (temporary) and hastily constructed web site.

I've been really busy for the last few months, so I haven't placed any more 
Van Horn artwork on eBay...until now. At the moment, it's all nonDisney 
artwork. In the future, however, we will be placing some of his early Disney 
work (from the first two years of the time when he and I were working for 
Gladstone.) I'm acting as Van Horn's agent for these sales. A page of 
original art from Van Horn's "Nervous Rex" comic book series is at:   
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=501533828

A cel and background from Bill's animation days is at:  
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=501512794

And the rarest item, a painting from one of Bill's children's books is at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=501316112

As long as I'm hawking this I might as well mention something of my own. For 
the first time, I've placed a print from my Last Kiss series up for auction. 
It's at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=501623338

At the very least I thought some of you might like to take a look at some of 
the things Bill did before he started doing Disney comics...as well as a 
project of mine that's taking up most of my time when I'm supposed to be 
writing for Disney.




From JALustig at aol.com  Sat Nov 18 19:36:05 2000
From: JALustig at aol.com (JALustig@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:36:05 EST
Subject: Article/Letter About Barks Funeral
Message-ID: <5e.380d33f.27482615@aol.com>

This is an article/letter I wrote about attending the funeral of Carl Barks. 
Obviously I wrote it quite awhile ago. I originally submitted it to Comics 
Buyer's Guide, but according to an editor there it was lost when they 
switched over to a new computer system a couple of months or so ago. I 
decided not to resubmit it to CBG because so much time had passed and the 
item wasn't exactly newsy. I thought, however, that readers on this list 
might like to see it. So here it is:


By John Lustig

For one of the greatest comic book creators of all time, Carl Barks had a 
surprisingly modest and unpretentious funeral. And that was entirely 
fitting...because Carl was a modest and unpretentious man. For him, life was 
about doing your best and treating people with respect. He never sought--or 
was even comfortable with--lavish praise about his work. 
 
So maybe Carl would have been embarrassed by the outpouring of love and 
heartfelt-memories that reverberated throughout his funeral on Aug. 31 in 
Grants Pass. But then again...maybe not. Because the 70 or so family members 
and friends who attended spoke more about Carl the man...rather than Carl the 
comic book genius. And that was only fitting. It was Carl's humanity that 
transformed his stories from merely being clever...and turned them into 
masterpieces. Carl's characters lived and breathed with a fierce humanity and 
complexity...that made you forget that most of his characters were ducks!

Friends and family spoke of Carl's kindness, his gentle nature and the 
delight he took in life and people. Serene Hunicke, one of his caretakers, 
talked about how when Carl was having a bad day (struggling with the leukemia 
that eventually took his life) he would perk up when Serene's three-year-old 
daughter came over to the house.

"Gee, I'm glad I got to see her grow up," said Carl.

(Even after death, Carl was considerate. I've never been to a funeral before 
where the dearly departed had actually made dinner reservations and paid for 
the meals of the attending bereaved. As someone said, "Carl knew a lot of you 
would be coming from far away and would be tired...so he didn't want you to 
have to worry about getting dinner.")

Carl had a reputation for being somewhat of a recluse--and it's certainly 
true that he was a very private person. But that was by necessity as much by 
inclination. Carl never would have accomplished so much if he'd been more 
outgoing. As his grandson, Brad Pattie told me after the funeral, Carl loved 
his family, but he didn't have a lot of time to socialize: "He was busy 
working!"

I've always considered it a tragedy that Carl was much more famous in Europe 
than he is in on this continent. And when I say famous...I mean REALLY 
famous. When Carl went to Europe a few years ago he was reportedly mobbed by 
fans and reporters as if he were a rock star. He was greeted by presidents 
and royalty. When he died (at age 99) his obituary was front-page news in 
many European cities. Here his death made the wire services, but it was far 
from big news. Most people in this country still don't know who Carl Barks 
was.

But now I've begun to wonder if that wasn't a good thing.

Carl went out of his way to maintain a low profile. Nine years ago some 
friends and I had lunch with Carl and his wife, Gare', at a restaurant a few 
blocks from his home. While the waitress was taking our order one of us made 
a casual reference to some aspect of Carl's work. After the waitress left 
Gare' leaned over and asked us to watch what we said. "People here don't know 
what Carl does."

And that was the way Carl and Gare' preferred it. 

After Gare' died, Carl was prodded into making a number of public 
appearences--both in the United States and Europe. I think (and hope) that 
Carl enjoyed some of those appearences. But, left to his own devices, he 
stayed in Grants Pass where he enjoyed his status--not as a star--but as an 
ordinary, anonymous citizen.


The End



From kalas.puff at falkenberg.mail.telia.com  Sat Nov 18 22:47:21 2000
From: kalas.puff at falkenberg.mail.telia.com (Joakim Gunnarsson)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:47:21 +0100
Subject: The Queen scared by ducks.
Message-ID: <003701c051a9$29761020$9b39fcc3@default>

Got the new issue of The Comics Journal (the Carl Barks issue) yesterday.
I can highly reccomend it.  It has a wraparound cover by Barks and there is loads of good stuff inside. Of special interest I can note the excerpts from a Don Ault - Carl Barks interview from this summer. (I'm looking forward to read Aults book on Barks when its finished.) 

Anyway, people has already mentioned the new TCJ so here is why I'm actually posting:

Don Rosa writes about how popular the ducks are in Europe in the same issue of TCJ. 
And just after I read his piece I turned on television. 
Turned out that it was the Queen of Sweden beeing interviewed 
and a journalist asked her what scared her most when she was a kid.
And guess what she said? 
Se started to retell Barks "The Old Castles Secret"!!! (The sequence where the "skeleton" chases H,D & L.)
So, well thats how popular (And scary ;-) ) Barks work is here. 
Would the US president's wife retell a Barks story on national TV? 
Nah, don't think so...

Just wanted to share this with you. 

/Joakim Gunnarsson,
    Malmo, Sweden.







From luisfelipepires at uol.com.br  Sun Nov 19 05:03:57 2000
From: luisfelipepires at uol.com.br (Luis Felipe)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:03:57 -0100
Subject: Carl Barks
Message-ID: <000a01c051dd$dac771a0$2381dec8@default>

Dear Joakim,      I'm from Brazil and I read your message in dcml and was very proud to learn that the Queen of Sweden was "scared " by the secret of the Old Castle !  I would like to share with you that as your Queen was born ( or grown up ?)  in Brazil till the age of around 15 years,as you must know,  much probably she read those Carl Barks'stories and was scared in Brazil, as well as I was fallen in love with those stories since my 5 years of age ! ( now I'm 46 ). As you can see, the duck stories and the masterpieces of Barks are very famous in Brazil, as much that me and your Queen were delighted (and scared!) by them !    Greetings from Brazil ,       luisfelipepires at uol.com.br
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From HoyMurphy at aol.com  Sun Nov 19 16:28:07 2000
From: HoyMurphy at aol.com (HoyMurphy@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:28:07 EST
Subject: Don Rosa at Mid-Ohio Con
Message-ID: <4e.d9f39bb.27494b87@aol.com>

To Don Rosa:

My family and I will be attending the Mid-Ohio Con in Columbus Thanksgiving 
weekend, and I'm hoping we'll get a few moments to talk with you, but I don't 
see you on the guest list!  Are you planning to be there this year?

--your pal, Hoy Murphy

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From mnaiman1 at home.com  Sun Nov 19 18:16:09 2000
From: mnaiman1 at home.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:16:09 -0800
Subject: rosa olympics poster
Message-ID: <3A180AD8.5416770C@home.com>

Hi!

I need a color jpeg image of the Rosa Olympics poster that appeared in
Finland's AKU ANKKA

thanks

Michael




From p.castagno at libero.it  Mon Nov 20 12:42:34 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:42:34 +0100
Subject: Expocartoon (6,7,8)
Message-ID: <3A190E2A.549D81F4@libero.it>

Hello,

This is my last mail, so don't worry for the future!! ;-)

Saturday evening took place the main event for this edition of
Expocartoon: the meeting for the variuos prizes to give to
relevant creators in comics and cartoons world.

There were a lot of comics creators: Romano Scarpa, who also was
the president of the international jury, Carlo Chendi and Silvia
Ziche just to mention the ones related to Disney, Silvia (a very
nice girl, I can assure you!!!!) also won a prize for her work.

There was also a "surprise" to many people (not for DCML readers,
BTW): Virginia Davis, a brilliant woman who played the role of
"Alice" in early (very early) Disney cartoons: she is still
brilliant!!!

A lot of pictures were taken at this meeting, so I won't bore you
anymore with my descriptions, you'll see with your eyes, ASAP.

At least: I think I did a decent business, buying 50 Topolino
from issue 230 to issue 550 (#500 included) at 4.300 Lit. each!!!
Now I have stuff for reading during the next few months needed to
attend to the next Expocartoon edition!!! ;-)

...I won't add anything on point 8.... ;-)

Ciao,

  - Paolo

-- 
http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
  
'Senza Minnie tutti i miei sogni sono diventati incubi... Apro il
gas e la faccio finita!'
(Topolino in YM 003)




From p.castagno at libero.it  Mon Nov 20 12:15:46 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:15:46 +0100
Subject: Expocartoon (1)
Message-ID: <3A1907E2.67271596@libero.it>

Hello,

I'm back from a 4-days "tour de force" at Expocartoon, an
exhibition held in Rome about comics, where I saw many
interesting things that I'd like to share with you.

I also shoot some pictures, but they're not ready yet, as soon as
I'll have them I'll scan the most interesting ones and place them
on the web.

Well, a short "index" of the events that took place in
Expocartoon:

1) An exhibition devoted to Romano Scarpa, who was also in
   Expocartoon as a "special guest"
2) The selling of "Tesori 3" a book with the Barksian "Somewhere
   in nowhere"
3) An exhibition "Topolino e il '900" with original panels
4) Many other interesting exhibition, non Disney
5) Alessio Coppola, a Disney artist, drawing behind glass!! :-(
6) The meeting for giving the "Yellow kid" prize, a sort of Oscar
   in comics with a lot interesting people
7) The marketplace, with the same interesting stuff!!!
8) Too many kids and Pokemons!! ;-)

So, let's start talking about number 1 (no, not the old dime!!!) 

The main exhibition for this edition of Expocartoon was surely
the one devoted to the Italian Maestro Romano Scarpa, there were
both panels from his stories and cels from his cartoons: starting
with the "ancient" ones such as "La piccola fiammiferaia" and
"Ahinoo degli icebergs": there was also a model sheet for Ahinoo
with Atomino bip-bip in it: at the beginning of the project
Scarpa was unsure if Ahinoo was going to be a Lapponian guy or a
space hero...
There were also cels and *wonderfully detailed* model sheets from
his latest cartoon: "Sui tetti di Venezia - Le avventure di Marco
e Gina" 

On the comics side, there were original panels from some of his
stories, including two of my preferred ones: "Lo scozzese
volante" e "L'uomo di ula-ula". But there were also some other
interesting things: the drawing Barks did for Romano and that
gave him the idea for "Brigitta e il casco d'oro", a drawing for
an alternative ending of "Topolino e la fiamma di Kalhoa" were
the ancient princess is still alive, hidden in her island, an
unpublished page for "Avventure ad Eurodisney" unpublished
because of the opposition coming from Lucas Film: the page was
inspired to Star Wars; than a lot of many fan drawings, one of
those was the one Scarpa dedicated to Barks.

Scarpa was there, and I can assure you he is a very kind person!
He was ready to answer to anyone asking him for an autograph,
also if he was slightly injuries on his right hand! He was there
with his gracious wife, who was used by him years ago as a model
for his Snow White stories.

I shoot many pictures of him and of the exhibition, they are now
on their way to be developed, just wait! 

Then there are also a couple of things that made me mad: two
errors in the text explaining the panels at the exhibition: the
first one was stating that the first **two** stories from Scarpa
were "Biancaneve" and "Verde Fiamma"... the unknown author of
this text is not very expert on Scarpa's work: his **first**
story is "Biancaneve e Verde Fiamma"!!!!
Then there was a page from "Paperino e il record forzato", and
the text was explaining that this story was never published in
Italy... Inducks says:

  TL #1224 Paperino e il record forzato
  CD  #105 Paperino e il record forzato
  ATM  #18 Paperino e il record forzato

What I'm asking myself is: "The Inducks is freely available... so
WHY they don't use it???" ;-)

...to be continued...

  - Paolo

-- 
http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
  
'I Bassotti! Volgarissimi ladri privi d'intelligenza! Ora che mi
sono riposato li affrontero' e li vincero'!
(Zio Paperone in W OS  386-02)





From p.castagno at libero.it  Mon Nov 20 12:16:04 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:16:04 +0100
Subject: Expocartoon (2,3,4,5)
Message-ID: <3A1907F4.5CFDC7F2@libero.it>

Hello again,

I have the strong feeling that many of you are especially
interested in "Somewhere in nowhere", the last Barks story, that
was presented to the public for the first time... well, what to
say? 

It will surely soon published anywhere (well, except USA,
maybe...) so I won't spoil you the plot, I'll just tell you that
it is settled in one of the coldest places on Earth.

The story is good, and also the drawings... but it seems to me (a
Very Humble Opinion) a story with no "anima" in it, it just has
not the feelings that come from a Barks story... 

I have my idea about it, but I want to read it once more before
saying anything.

BTW, Block's art is good: I didn't know this artist (his works
aren't published in Italy, yet) and I hope to see something more
from him, maybe on "Zio Paperone".


There was also an exhibition devoted to Topolino, the main
Italian Disney publication, presenting some original artworks
from issues not very old, maybe starting from 1974. There were
also reproduction of covers.


Between the non-Disney exhibition, the most interesting ones were
the ones devoted to Cinzia Ghigliano, a young artist working for
important Italian comic magazines, and to Batman, with original
interpretations from many Italian artists.


As at the same, Disney Italia, played the game with its own
rules: the Disney room was the **only one** in the whole
exhibition where the artists weren't in direct contact with
people, but were closed in a room with a transparent wall where
the people could look at them... how sad!! Are they scared by
fans?? I still remember Giovan Battista Carpi being simply
talking **outside** this room years ago with his fans, and
providing them with drawings!!!!!

BTW, the artist trapped in this room was Alessio Coppola, an
interesting artist, who was drawing pages for the story
"Gambadilegno e la fuga da Altacraz" (yes, they used the name
"Altacraz" like Scarpa did in one of his most beautiful stories),
and the interesting thing is that the title was in English: "Big
Bad Pete and the escape from Altacraz"... I was going to ask him
why... but I don't know the deaf language, so I couldn't ask him
behind the glass!!!

  - Paolo

-- 
http://members.xoom.it/inducks  mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
  
"Poi, con gli atomi di un bicchierino di whisky,... saro' padrone
del mondo!"
(Gambadilegno in I TL  206-A)





From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov 20 14:47:25 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:47:25 -0500
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #324 - 2 msgs
References: <200011201100.MAA25924@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002f01c052f8$86666b40$55ecffcc@default>

> From: HoyMurphy at aol.com
> My family and I will be attending the Mid-Ohio Con in Columbus
Thanksgiving
> weekend, and I'm hoping we'll get a few moments to talk with you, but I
don't
> see you on the guest list!  Are you planning to be there this year?

I'll be there, but only as a buyer of old comic books. The convention
chairman is an old friend and still invites me as a featured guest (i.e.
pays all my expenses) even though no one in America sees my work anymore or
wants to see *me*, but still it would be a bit extravagant of him to do
that each year -- he lists me as one of the half-dozen main guests every
other year. In what I guess are the even-numbered years I always attend on
my own and he lists me as "one of the pack" of other guests. But this year
I guess I failed to send in my notification as an "attending pro" until it
was too late for him to list me anywhere -- I assumed by now he would know
I'd be there, but I guess that would be reckless of him to list my name in
his ads unless he was *certain* I'd be attending.
Still, I usually take my status as a listed guest too seriously and sit at
the table they give me so long that I miss lots of my own "quality time"
needed to dig out some old issues for my collection, so the fact that I
won't have a table at the convention might not be so bad. You (Hoy) will
probably be the only comic fan in Ohio looking for me by now, so you'll be
able to spot me wandering around the hall sometime during the 2 days.

This being a "celebrity of dwindling starhood" in America reminds me of the
interesting e-mail I started getting last Friday. I receive a few requests
from Europe each day for an autographed photo or comic, and I diligently
send out about a dozen a week to fans. But last week I suddenly started
getting *lots* of e-mail from Americans who would tell me how much they
LOVED my work and what a GREAT artist I was and how they've followed my
career for many years and blah blah blah. Actually, here's one of the
best-written ones -- as Casey Casem would say, from Darrin in Brooklyn
comes:
----------------------------------------------------------
Howdy!! Firstly, it is truly an honor and a privilege to be writing to a
talented and gifted cartoonist such as yourself.  I cannot even begin to
tell
you just how much I have admired your illustrious career. A career which
has
provided me with immeasurable joy, laughter and insight throughout the
years,
and from one artist to another, it would mean the world to me if you were
so
kind in granting me an autographed picture or sketch. Take care and keep up
the splendid work!!!
--------------------------------------------------------
... but even stranger, others congratulated me for my wonderful work as a
Disney animator, and at least one called me the world's best voice-over
artist. Huh?
Well, it took me just a few hours to determine what I suspected was true --
my name and e-mail had been freshly added to a "CELEBRITY ADDRESS" website
under the title "Disney artist". And I was suddenly the target of autograph
hounds. As I said, I am quite delighted to send my autograph to any comic
fan who requests it, but I find the collecting of autographs simply for the
sake of collecting autographs, autographs of minor "celebrities" you don't
know from a hole in the ground, to be a rather witless hobby. I e-mailed
back to each of these people thanking them and asking them what their
favorites were among my works. About 25% would reply with another shot in
the dark like "oh, my goodness, there are so many, I just can't choose!",
and when I insist, they disappear altogether and move on to their next
target. It's kinda fun.




From agridiot at spidernet.net  Tue Nov 21 22:59:32 2000
From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:59:32 -0800
Subject: Panama 1906
References: <200011211100.MAA23050@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <001d01c05406$55037200$d0949ac2@8944cjn72961>

Does anybody has the Panama 1906 srory: 'The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"?
Please e-mail me




From K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com  Tue Nov 21 17:19:46 2000
From: K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com (Kristian PEDERSEN)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:19:46 +0100
Subject: Darrin in Brooklyn
Message-ID: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C30182642@PROXIMA>

DON, quoting 'Darrin in Brooklyn':
"...I cannot even begin to tell you just how much I have admired your
illustrious career..."

I guess he's 100% correct there!

Kristian :)




From komix43 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 21 18:48:43 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:48:43 +0200
Subject: Panama 1906
Message-ID: <OE60aZVrDs9aAOPpBpc00000577@hotmail.com>

Agridiotis wrote:

>>>Does anybody has the Panama 1906 srory: 'The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"?

That story haven't published yet. I think Picsou will publish it soon.
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member




From arthur at westbrabant.net  Mon Nov 20 18:11:43 2000
From: arthur at westbrabant.net (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:11:43 +0100
Subject: Comics shops in Paris?
References: <000d01c04b0e$55c6ef60$831b01cf@pavilion>
Message-ID: <002201c05314$f50a05e0$491842c3@quicknet.nl>

Hi,

Where is the best change of finding back-issues of Disney comics in Paris?
Last time I found some cool shops by the Gardin du Luxembourg area. Is that
the best place to find comic shops?

Kind regards,

Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide @ http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw








From arthur at westbrabant.net  Mon Nov 20 18:18:09 2000
From: arthur at westbrabant.net (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:18:09 +0100
Subject: Comics Journal #227
Message-ID: <005e01c05315$dadcdca0$491842c3@quicknet.nl>

Hi,

I would like to have a copy of Comics Journal #227 (with the large Barks
article) but I can't find it here. Can anyone provide me with a copy? I will
pay for it or trade for other Disney stuff. If anyone else wants to trade
for international Disney comics or magazines email me privately too.

By the way, I happen to have an extra copy of Le Collectionneur de Bandes
Dessinees #84 from France with a Rosa cover
(http://members.tripod.com/~TheDonRosaWorld/rv16.jpg). I also have extra
copies of Picsou #341 and #342. Anyone interested?
 
Thanks,

Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide @ http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw


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From mnaiman1 at home.com  Tue Nov 21 23:15:11 2000
From: mnaiman1 at home.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:15:11 -0800
Subject: Olympics
Message-ID: <3A1AF3DA.82A31D25@home.com>

any help from Finland on the Rosa Olympic poster?????

all  I need is a color scan.....

will trade for...????

Am  sounding desperate yet?

Michael




From mnaiman1 at home.com  Tue Nov 21 23:15:23 2000
From: mnaiman1 at home.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:15:23 -0800
Subject: Olympics
Message-ID: <3A1AF3E7.3A066F74@home.com>

any help from Finland on the Rosa Olympic poster?????

all  I need is a color scan.....

will trade for...????

Am  I sounding desperate yet?

Michael




From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Wed Nov 22 03:27:58 2000
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:27:58 EST
Subject: new Barks pre-comic  work found (similar to eye-opener)
Message-ID: <6a.8ab115d.274c892e@aol.com>

well, I just found another "lost" Carl Barks pre-comics work, in the first 
issue of "Old Nick's Annual T.N.T. " is a poem and illustration bylined "Carl 
Barks" .  
  There are some other illustrations that I had wondered about before I found 
the signed work
  There is no date in this magazine, but it includes stories about Mae West, 
Major Bowles Amateur Hour, and the Spanish Civil War.  I have a fair 
collection of 20s and 30s adult joke books, and this is the rawest stuff that 
i've seen yet (except for tijuana bibles).  
  Published by Nickerson Publishing Company, 419 South Third Street, 
Minneapolis

Steven Rowe
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From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Wed Nov 22 12:47:29 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:47:29 +0100
Subject: Comics shops in Paris?
References: <000d01c04b0e$55c6ef60$831b01cf@pavilion> <002201c05314$f50a05e0$491842c3@quicknet.nl>
Message-ID: <002501c0547a$01cf9ae0$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

Hi Arthur

My best wihes to you & Amy! You wrote:

> Where is the best change of finding back-issues of Disney comics in Paris?
> Last time I found some cool shops by the Gardin du Luxembourg area. Is
that
> the best place to find comic shops?

I'l send it to the list, maybe this can help others.

There are two important librairies:
- "Aux livres d'Alesia", 13 rue Daval, 75011 Paris (near the Bastille)
Lots of old comics, including Disney ones from the 30s to now. Reasonable
prices, but they never look wether the comics are complete or not. So you
should take a close look to each album before buying. (They would accept to
take them back if though). Recent issues should be affordable.
- "Lut?ce II" 2, 5 rue d'Arras near rue Monge (5e). A lot of very rare and
old comics. Prices a bit high, but they check all comics and many are in
near mint condition.

Now, if what you want is very recent and very cheap comics, you can try the
2nd floor of Boulinier, 20 boulevard Saint Michel (6e).

And for US comics (some Gladstones) two American librairies:
- Actualit?s, 38 rue Dauphine (6e)
- D?esse, 8 rue Cauchin (5e)

  Francois




From K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com  Wed Nov 22 12:40:04 2000
From: K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com (Kristian PEDERSEN)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:40:04 +0100
Subject: Disney comics in Paris
Message-ID: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C301828B2@PROXIMA>

ARTHUR:
>Where is the best change of finding back-issues of Disney comics in Paris?
>Last time I found some cool shops by the Gardin du Luxembourg area. Is that
>the best place to find comic shops?

-- I would think so, that neighbourhood and down towards the St.Michel metro
station. But in fact, I have lived in Paris for three years and still
haven't found a really good place for old Disney comics, so if anyone could
enlighten me, I'd like to know too! There's a shop on Blvd St.Michel,
"Boulinier" I think it's called, that always has loads of old "Journal de
Mickey" issues (but hardly ever the Barks/Rosa flagship "Picsou"). 

Your best bet may be the flea markets, like the huge one at Porte de
Clignancourt. 

Kristian





From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr  Wed Nov 22 13:19:49 2000
From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:19:49 +0200
Subject: Carl Barks on Death
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001122121949.00684568@ac.anatolia.edu.gr>

Fellow Quackeroos:

Reading Barks' stories one gets a pretty good idea of his attitude towards
life's many twists and turns. However, how did he view death? Here's Barks'
views on death in his own words, as he expounded them on June 18, 2000, a
couple of months before his passing:

<<When a person dies, what is called the soul is just a bunch of spools of
memory that dies with the body.

Cemeteries and funerals are for the living, not the dead. When I go out to
visit Gare's grave, I can almost feel her presence, but to visualize what's
really there--by now a bunch of bones in a coffin--I feel that's none of my
business: to visit with the dead. To think about souls wandering around and
peering into windows and looking for bodies to enter--it's all just too
ridiculous. When we die--that's the end. All of the memories we've stored up
just disappear--like on a computer.

I think of death as total peace and escape--you're beyond the clutches of
all those who would crush you.

I have no apprehension, no fear of death. I do not believe in an afterlife.
I've known so many people who spent their lives worrying about an afterlife.

We're like a weed--you see it and trample it to the ground and don't think
anything about it. We're like that weed--we have our little life and when
we're gone, we're gone.>>


(Taken from "From the Duck's Mouth", The Comics Journal #227, September 2000)

Best,

Archontis



---------------------------------------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean and Associate Professor
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, Greece
Phone: +30 31 398228




From Harald.Havas at blackbox.net  Wed Nov 22 17:15:11 2000
From: Harald.Havas at blackbox.net (Harald Havas)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:15:11 +0100
Subject: Neue E-Mail/E-mail address change
Message-ID: <009801c0549f$9b499d40$65e498d4@a8201960>

[English version further down]

Nein, es ist kein direkter Protest gegen die Sparpolitik unserer Regierung
sowie die Einf?hrung der Studiengeb?hren, aber ich habe meinen
E-Mail-Account bei der Uni gel?scht. Die Adresse:

a8201960 at unet.univie.ac.at

existiert nicht mehr.

Bitte in Zukunft nur noch:

Harald.Havas at blackbox.net
oder
studiohavas at utanet.at

verwenden.

Danke!

-------

My account

a8201960 at unet.univie.ac.at

has been deleted.

Please use in future:

Harald.Havas at blackbox.net
or
studiohavas at utanet.at

Thank you!










From j.heino at pp2.inet.fi  Wed Nov 22 22:42:24 2000
From: j.heino at pp2.inet.fi (Janne Heino)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:42:24 +0200
Subject: olympic poster
References: <200011221100.MAA32707@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002001c054cd$1ac94200$8c058ec2@default>

Hi Michael!!

I have a few leftovers of this great poster. I would be happy to send you a scan of it but it's very difficult because the poster is two times bigger than my scanner...
I'll try to arrange some sort of a scan here... 

Janne Heino
(could you contact me with a private email. I have had some problems contacting you...)



From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Thu Nov 23 16:11:01 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:11:01 +0100
Subject: Carl Barks' view on death
Message-ID: <20001123150259.0A9C27C69@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

ARCHONTIS PANTSIOS, 22-11-2000:

> Here's Barks' views on death in his own words, as he expounded them on
> June 18, 2000, a couple of months before his passing:
> <<When a person dies, what is called the soul is just a bunch of spools
> of memory that dies with the body. [...] All of the memories we've stored
> up just disappear--like on a computer.

I'm deeply impressed by Carl Barks' comments on death. I hope he's wrong on
this subject and that there really is life after death. 

But even if he is right about the human mind being a computer, and that his
computer is now turned off, then there is still lots of his output and
software running on the computers of his many fans.

Even if there isn't life after death, I think that a person only really is
dead if he/she is faded from the memory of the living people and the people
who have yet to be born. So, at least in this context, Carl Barks' soul is
still alive for me. 


Best wishes,

--- Daniel



From lascif at online.fr  Wed Nov 22 18:35:48 2000
From: lascif at online.fr (lascif)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:35:48 +0100
Subject: Arthur : Comics shop in Paris
References: <200011221100.MAA32684@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000901c054aa$a7a29f00$dc291bd4@free.Fr>

> Hi,
Hello


> Where is the best change of finding back-issues of Disney comics in Paris?
> Last time I found some cool shops by the Gardin du Luxembourg area. Is
that
> the best place to find comic shops?
Nothing had changed.

But i could be more precise.

-----------------------------
Firstly, you shouldn't miss the "bouquinistes"
which are stalls along the Seine.
Count around one hour to see them all.
Subway stations :
Saint Michel, Chatelet, Pont Neuf


If you got a map of Paris and if you're hurry :
There's three stalls with Disney Comics
Rive Gauche (south of the Seine)
1 : Quai de la Tournelle near Rue de Poissy (no many Disney comics)
Rive Droite (north of the Seine)
2 : Quai de Gesvres near Pont Notre-Dame
3 : Quai de la M?gisserie before the Pont Neuf

You'll find them surely opened the saturday and the
sunday. Any way, this is a nice stroll from Notre-Dame
to the Louvre :-)


-----------------------------
The shops

Collector's shops
Subway stations for all those shops :
Saint Michel, Maubert-Mutualit?


Rackam
2, rue Dante
75005 Paris
Super good condition books....
expensive.... but not that much.
closed monday

Lut?ce
5 rue Arras
75005 Paris
Good condition books but
very expensive.
closed monday

Simple second hand shops
Boulinier
20, boulevard Saint Michel
75006 Paris
7/7 day opened

-----------------------------
A last way to buy Disney comics
Subway station :
Porte de Vanves


On saturday and sunday :
"Le march? aux livres anciens"
Parc Georges Brassens
(ancient "abbatoirs de Vaugirard" in case
your map is old)

You'll find any kind of Disney publication
from the collector to the second hand
in "not so bad" conditions.
Approximatly 3 sellers of Disney material.

-----------------------------
After all this shopping, you'll just get the time
to work :-)


Have a good journey
oliv










From ransom at club-internet.fr  Thu Nov 23 20:28:53 2000
From: ransom at club-internet.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gougassian_Micha=EBl?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:28:53 -0000
Subject: Branca on the Mouse ?
Message-ID: <000d01c05583$9e763e80$74a32cd5@qsdfsf>

Hello, 

The latest issue of Le Journal de Mickey contains a story featuring Mickey and Horace Horsecollar and It looks like it was drawn by Daniel Branca. (I checked the references for this story -D 99168- but it doesn't look like it's INDUCKSed yet).
Of course I'm no specialist but I thought Branca "specialized" in Ducks.
So... Am I wrong or am I wrong :-) ?

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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Thu Nov 23 19:54:54 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:54:54 +0100
Subject: Branca on the Mouse ?
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEF6B@l04.research.kpn.com>

Gougassian Micha?l:

> It looks like it 
> was drawn by Daniel Branca. (I checked the references for 
> this story -D 99168- but it doesn't look like it's INDUCKSed yet).

It is in Inducks. It's drawn by Xavi (Xavier Vives). See
http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+99168

You probably used the French COA search page:
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/storycode.uk.php/D+99168

Apparently, the French data is a bit older than on the Swedish DCML site
(which is updated every day).

--Harry.


From sko at acoustics.dk  Thu Nov 23 20:24:46 2000
From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:24:46 +0100
Subject: Branca on the Mouse ?
References: <000d01c05583$9e763e80$74a32cd5@qsdfsf>
Message-ID: <3A1D6EFE.6050206@acoustics.dk>

Gougassian Micha?l wrote:

> The latest issue of Le Journal de Mickey contains a story featuring 
> Mickey and Horace Horsecollar and It looks like it was drawn by Daniel 
> Branca. (I checked the references for this story -D 99168- but it 
> doesn't look like it's INDUCKSed yet).
> 
> Of course I'm no specialist but I thought Branca "specialized" in Ducks.

I haven't checked this manually, but the index says something like:

Writer: Stefan Petruska
Art: Xavi
Characters are: HH,MM,GO,MI,CL,PL,Butch
Description: big ego gives wrong answers in a quiz

However, Branca *did* in fact draw the mouse and the Goofy, but only 
very rarely and as far as I know only on covers. Don't know if any of 
these were ever published in France--guess not! Perhaps Ole can provide 
a scan. Ole, I seem to remember some GH cover by Branca with MM and GO 
on it???!

S?ren



From donrosa at iglou.com  Fri Nov 24 06:12:48 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:12:48 -0500
Subject: Help with the Moony Bean
References: <200011231103.MAA04242@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <001d01c055d5$3396f4e0$5defffcc@default>

Okay, I recall one time when I was doing a story on $crooge's storage
closet where he would store left over junk from the past -- not the
valuable trophies from treasure hunts and triumphs, but the nonvaluable
stuff from otherwise memorable old adventures -- and I asked for and
received lists of ideas from you nice folks.
Now I would like to know about the MONEY BIN. What does the Bin contain
besides 3 cubic acres of cash? I don't mean what else is buried in the
cash, but what about the other parts of the Bin? What other rooms and
facilities are in there? If anyone wants to give me a list of their ideas,
remember that whatever you have in mind, it must fit easily into a narrow
building that's about 12 stories tall, around 120 ft. wide and only about
30 ft. thick. Any portion of that cubistic building that is not the cash
vault must exist inside the narrow front facade, eh?
Thanks.



From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Fri Nov 24 00:32:27 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:32:27 +0100
Subject: Branca on the Mouse ?
References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEF6B@l04.research.kpn.com>
Message-ID: <005901c055a5$b82d1160$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

>From: Fluks, H.W. <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>Gougassian Micha?l:
> It looks like it was drawn by Daniel Branca. (I checked the references for
> this story -D 99168- but it doesn't look like it's INDUCKSed yet).
>
>It is in Inducks. It's drawn by Xavi (Xavier Vives). See
>http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?D+99168
>
>You probably used the French COA search page:
>http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/cgi-bin/

Amazing! I was going to ask Michael how he did his search to see what went
wrong, but now I know that *I* am the guilty one.
Indeed the COA search page (the link above) above is not updated every day
but once in a while by me.

The art style in the "Quiz chaud" D 99168 story is BTW not as good as Branca
(IMO) but looks a bit like some Carvana (the Goofy gags) or Rodriques
stories.

  Francois




From Armando.Botto at elsag.it  Fri Nov 24 10:11:30 2000
From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:11:30 +0100
Subject: Help with the Moony Bean
Message-ID: <747D2ED67A22D41181240090273F51E2874674@gspsvr.gsp.elsag.it>

Don:
> Now I would like to know about the MONEY BIN. What does the 
> Bin contain besides 3 cubic acres of cash? I don't mean what else is
buried in the
> cash, but what about the other parts of the Bin? What other rooms and
> facilities are in there? 
Well, what a coincidence... The latest 3 issues of the Italian weekly
"Topolino" contained the first 3 instalments of a new "mini-series" of
stories, called "I segreti del deposito" (The Secrets of the Money Bin). The
author's (Augusto Macchetto) purpose is exactly to explore the non-vault
parts of the Bin... 
If I remember correctly, the topics touched so far were pertinent to the
Italian canon only, though. For example, this week's story reveals what's
contained inside the Bin's dome, while last week we managed to have a look
at Scrooge's butler's (Battista) room.
The stories' quality is not bad, IMHO - most of all, I've found the general
idea quite interesting. Now, I'm very curious to see what Don can produce
out of it!

Ciao,
Armando   


From komix43 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 24 11:49:46 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:49:46 +0200
Subject: Help with the Moony Bean
Message-ID: <OE65VniSnRMWuLn5U9T000015d2@hotmail.com>

Don wrote:

> Now I would like to know about the MONEY BIN. What does the
> Bin contain besides 3 cubic acres of cash? I don't mean what else is
buried in the
> cash, but what about the other parts of the Bin? What other rooms and
> facilities are in there?

As Botto Armando said, there are some rooms like Scrooge's buttler room.
Apart from that there are some other rooms:
1) The library room
2) the pigeons room in the roof! ("How Green was my Lettuce")
3) A *really* big room for his computer ("The Money Well")
It's easy to find new rooms, specially when you have a big Carl Barks
collection :-)
You can use also your imagination! For example, an underground parking room
or... toilet facilities specially for ducks! :-)
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Fri Nov 24 12:33:28 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:33:28 +0100
Subject: Disney comics in Paris
References: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C301828B2@PROXIMA>
Message-ID: <005201c0560a$6548b7a0$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

Anyone not interested in comic shops in Paris should skip this message!

Kristian PEDERSEN <K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com>

> -- I would think so, that neighbourhood and down towards the St.Michel
metro
> station. But in fact, I have lived in Paris for three years and still
> haven't found a really good place for old Disney comics, so if anyone
could
> enlighten me, I'd like to know too!

As I said it depends on what you're looking for but for old comics Lutece II
and Alesia are the best to my knowledge. The prices are almost reasonable.
Alesia will give usually give you 10-15 % discount if you ask them.
There is another third librairy with many old and rare comics, "L'age d'or"
(13e) but I would not recommend it, because the prices are extremely high.
Never buy in that librairy, but you can always go and see what comics they
have.

There is also one (similar to Lutece) in Bruxelles, "Les petits papiers", 15
boulevard Lemonnier with many French comics.

> There's a shop on Blvd St.Michel, "Boulinier" I think it's called, that
always has loads of old
> "Journal de Mickey" issues (but hardly ever the Barks/Rosa flagship
"Picsou").

Boulinier has improved in recent years. They put Disney comics in two or
three different places BTW.

> Your best bet may be the flea markets, like the huge one at Porte de
> Clignancourt.

Or the smaller (but sometimes better) one in Porte d'Orleans / Porte
d'Italie every saturday.
In the "brocantes" you can find the best prices (better than flea markets).
Brocantes in province usually are the best (I recommend Mezille in mid
August, Lille in the beginning of september, Aillant sur Tholon in July,
Armeau in september).





From p.castagno at libero.it  Fri Nov 24 13:15:32 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:15:32 +0100
Subject: Scarpa on-line
Message-ID: <G4J3DW$IQQ7QmXLli52wPBljdrMyvTp8SiyaDRjPaxroSxpKT5CwyR@libero.it>

Hello,

I scanned some of the pictures from Expocartoon with Romano Scarpa and 
they are on-line at:

  http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/Scarpa

Important: since I'm planning to change the provider of my web pages, I 
was planning to use this one, could you tell me if you find it fast 
enough?

Thanks,

  - Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks   mailto:p.castagno at libero.it




From donrosa at iglou.com  Fri Nov 24 14:27:14 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:27:14 -0500
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #328 - 9 msgs
References: <200011241106.MAA25016@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <003301c0561b$533100c0$b0efffcc@default>

From: Botto Armando
>>>Well, what a coincidence... The latest 3 issues of the Italian weekly
"Topolino" contained the first 3 instalments of a new "mini-series" of
stories, called "I segreti del deposito" (The Secrets of the Money Bin).
The
author's (Augusto Macchetto) purpose is exactly to explore the non-vault
parts of the Bin...

That *is* a coincidence! I had no idea! I've been planning this idea for
about 13 years! Maybe I can benefit from some of their ideas -- please send
me private messages about just what they include! Thanks!

>>>If I remember correctly, the topics touched so far were pertinent to the
Italian canon only, though. For example, this week's story reveals what's
contained inside the Bin's dome, while last week we managed to have a look
at Scrooge's butler's (Battista) room.

Right -- our Barks-style Bin has no dome, and our Barks-style $crooge has
no butler.

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>As Botto Armando said, there are some rooms like Scrooge's buttler room.

Not in "my" Bin, there t'ain't.

>>>Apart from that there are some other rooms:
1) The library room
2) the pigeons room in the roof! ("How Green was my Lettuce")
3) A *really* big room for his computer ("The Money Well")

Yep, got those... but I added the library just on my own simply as being
logical and obvious. Was such a room ever shown in a Barks story?

>>>You can use also your imagination! For example, an underground parking
room

Nope, no hidden entrances for vehicles. $crooge has no cars and there is no
money deliveries to the Bin in "my" vision. (It's all *old* money... his
new money goes to banks or exists as bank account transfers.)

>>>or... toilet facilities specially for ducks! :-)

Right, I've already shown restrooms/toilets in the Money Bin in two or
three different stories.
Thanks to you both!




From fstajano at uk.research.att.com  Fri Nov 24 15:49:26 2000
From: fstajano at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:49:26 +0000
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #328 - 9 msgs
In-Reply-To: <003301c0561b$533100c0$b0efffcc@default>
References: <200011241106.MAA25016@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001124144750.031bd670@localhost>

At 2000-11-24 08:27 -0500, Don Rosa wrote:
>Right -- our Barks-style Bin has no dome, and our Barks-style $crooge has
>no butler.

Just to nitpick: wasn't there a butler pouring coins on Scrooge's head from 
a bucket in a famous Barks opening panel -- maybe the one for the Cibola story?


  Frank (filologo disneyano)  http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/



From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Fri Nov 24 16:31:09 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:31:09 +0100
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #328 - 9 msgs
References: <200011241106.MAA25016@numerus.ling.uu.se> <4.3.2.7.2.20001124144750.031bd670@localhost>
Message-ID: <001301c0562b$9563c4e0$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

> At 2000-11-24 08:27 -0500, Don Rosa wrote:
> >Right -- our Barks-style Bin has no dome, and our Barks-style $crooge has
> >no butler.
>
> Just to nitpick: wasn't there a butler pouring coins on Scrooge's head
from
> a bucket in a famous Barks opening panel -- maybe the one for the Cibola
story?

Yes, and I see another butler in "Christmas on Bear mountain".

> Yep, got those... but I added the library just on my own simply as being
> logical and obvious. Was such a room ever shown in a Barks story?

I seem to recall there is also a worry room, in the first page of "Land
Beneath the
Ground".

*************************************************
http://perso.respublica.fr/luciengenin/coverfan/indexuk.html





From sko at acoustics.dk  Fri Nov 24 16:41:08 2000
From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?windows-1252?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:41:08 +0100
Subject: Help with the Moony Bean
References: <200011231103.MAA04242@numerus.ling.uu.se> <001d01c055d5$3396f4e0$5defffcc@default>
Message-ID: <3A1E8C14.9030609@acoustics.dk>

DON:

> Now I would like to know about the MONEY BIN. What does the Bin contain
> besides 3 cubic acres of cash? I don't mean what else is buried in the
> cash, but what about the other parts of the Bin? What other rooms and
> facilities are in there?

Apart from the offices the most important and most often "used" rooms is 
the "wailing room". Here Uncle Scrooge can grief and cry and feel sorry 
for himself, and, in this process persuade his nephews to join him on 
one of his journeys. Don't know if Barks ever used such a room, 
otherwise it's probably an Italian invention.

S?ren




From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net  Thu Nov 23 17:24:52 2000
From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:24:52 +0100
Subject: Pluto's tongue
Message-ID: <3A1D44D4.C61737D0@c2i.net>

My local newspaper has an article about Pluto's tongue today.
The calendar for 2001 in Donald Duck & co will be printed on
Pluto's tongue. The calendars are printed in China, and the Norwegian
calendars all have Norwegian AND Swedish text, so two schools and
a sports club are hired to correct the 400.000 mistakes.
Those interested can read the article at
http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/regional/kristiansand/63460.html

there's a small picture of the calendar.
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen                    http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/

And he said all those numbers 
made him numb, 
which (he thinks) is why 
they're called numbers




From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net  Fri Nov 24 20:34:10 2000
From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:34:10 +0100
Subject: Pluto's tongue
Message-ID: <3A1EC2B2.DFAB6A65@c2i.net>

My local newspaper has an article about Pluto's tongue today.
The calendar for 2001 in Donald Duck & co will be printed on
Pluto's tongue. The calendars are printed in China, and the Norwegian
calendars all have Norwegian AND Swedish text, so two schools and
a sports club are hired to correct the 400.000 mistakes.
Those interested can read the article at
http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/regional/kristiansand/63460.html

there's a small picture of the calendar.
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen                    http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/

And he said all those numbers 
made him numb, 
which (he thinks) is why 
they're called numbers



From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Fri Nov 24 11:10:13 2000
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:10:13 -0200
Subject: Romano Scarpa's Brigitta
Message-ID: <002d01c055fe$c0500e20$18f3bfc8@v2h5i1>

Paolo Castagno:
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/Scarpa/Scarpa04.jpg
The famous drawing Barks made for Scarpa with Brigitta

Hum...I'm not sure, but this draw is not lost, and after Scarpa redraw it?
Or this one is the "original" Barks sketch?

Thank You,
Fernando!



From frspreaf at tin.it  Fri Nov 24 23:40:13 2000
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:40:13 +0100
Subject: Romano Scarpa's Brigitta
References: <002d01c055fe$c0500e20$18f3bfc8@v2h5i1>
Message-ID: <012a01c05667$9a1ebda0$140e0f97@maul>

From: "Fernando Ventura" <fernandopventura at uol.com.br>

> Hum...I'm not sure, but this draw is not lost, and after Scarpa redraw it?
> Or this one is the "original" Barks sketch?

Strange... looking on the Blue book, page 58 (bottom right), the sketch is
still different.

--
Sprea

http://heinlein.cjb.net




From komix43 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 25 00:38:36 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:38:36 +0200
Subject: Help with the Moony Bean
Message-ID: <OE4TrpwACkWHZqYW8BY00001a52@hotmail.com>

Don wrote:

>>>Yep, got those... but I added the library just on my own simply as being
>>>logical and obvious. Was such a room ever shown in a Barks story?

Well, you can see a library in many stories, but not by Carl Barks. I check
my Komix collection but until now, I haven't found a *real* library by Carl.
I saw some books in the first panel of "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone"
but it wasn't a library, just Scrooge's office.
I also found a worry room in "The Money Well" story, page 4, panel 1. Is
that interesting for you?

>>>Nope, no hidden entrances for vehicles. $crooge has no cars and there is
no
>>>money deliveries to the Bin in "my" vision. (It's all *old* money... his
>>>new money goes to banks or exists as bank account transfers.)

That's correctly!

Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From komix43 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 25 00:48:31 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:48:31 +0200
Subject: Help with the Moony Bean
Message-ID: <OE33kfkll1YSe8y1wdi00001a0d@hotmail.com>

Don wrote:

>>>Yep, got those... but I added the library just on my own simply as being
>>>logical and obvious. Was such a room ever shown in a Barks story?

Well, you can see a library in many stories, but not by Carl Barks. I check
my Komix collection but until now, I haven't found a *real* library by Carl.
I saw some books in the first panel of "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone"
but it wasn't a library, just Scrooge's office.
I also found a worry room in "The Money Well" story, page 4, panel 1. Is
that interesting for you?

>>>Nope, no hidden entrances for vehicles. $crooge has no cars and there is
no
>>>money deliveries to the Bin in "my" vision. (It's all *old* money... his
>>>new money goes to banks or exists as bank account transfers.)

That's correctly!

Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Fri Nov 24 12:56:35 2000
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:56:35 -0200
Subject: Chet Marshall ?
Message-ID: <002c01c0560d$9bd401a0$4af4e3c8@v2h5i1>

On the "Double Talk"of  Gladstone's "Donald and Mickey"# 23, David Gerstein
writted:

"Donald and Mickey #20 was an interisting issue. First of all, the cover was
beautiful. It's really a pity that Chet Marshall met such an unfortunate
end; he could have become a Disney legend!(...)"

The number #23 is just the second issue off this comic that I have...I find
it three days ago on a place that seels old comics...And I'm curious about
this, so talked, cover!
 In the Inducks:

Story code
ARC DM 20
Description
shoots hole in comic
Number of pages
1
Written by
unknown
Art by
CB), Chet Marshall
Layout
Cover
Hero
Mickey Mouse
First published
November, 1993
Publications
USA
DM 20
[from CB art; MM by Chet Marshall]

And there are just one item on the index of Chet Marshall...what's happening
with him? Someone can send me a small scan off this incredible(?) cover???

Thank You Very Much!!!

Your Friend from Brazil,
Fernando!



From agridiot at spidernet.net  Sat Nov 25 11:23:40 2000
From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:23:40 -0800
Subject: MONEY BIN
Message-ID: <001101c056c9$c91844c0$f0929ac2@8944cjn72961>

Hi DCML members!
About Don Rosa's question: in the 1992's story Duckmade Disaster which Carl
wotes and Jippes draws, on page 3, panel 6 and page 5, panel 6 there is a
room with weapons. In those panels, we can see Scrooge having stored canons
with waters, spiders, lachrymator, canons, catapults with eggs, a grenade,
snakes and others there. Thank for listening me. I hope to be interesting on
that clue.
Best wishes!

George Agridiotis, Nicosia
E-mail: agridiot at spidernet.net
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixwebsite/
DCML member



From komix43 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 25 01:37:06 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:37:06 +0200
Subject: Bin's Plan
Message-ID: <OE23t7hvvFCorX9B0kY00001a66@hotmail.com>

Dear DCML members

I made a Bin's Plan! Take a look at:
http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage/plan.htm
And Don: Take a look at it and tell me me your opinion about the plan

Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From agridiot at spidernet.net  Sat Nov 25 12:05:02 2000
From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:05:02 -0800
Subject: Money Bin Again
Message-ID: <000701c056cf$90a93080$f0889ac2@8944cjn72961>

In the story "Second Richest Duck in the World" we see that the ground of
money bin has valuables stone. I don't remember now which stone
Best Wishes!

George Agridiotis, Nicosia - Cyprus
E-mail: agridiot at spidernet.net
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixwebsite/
DCML member



From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Sat Nov 25 05:08:08 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 05:08:08 +0100
Subject: Could "talking parrot" (OS356) be a Barks-gag?
Message-ID: <20001125040046.52F2A7C8F@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

On page 199 of Michael Barrier's book "Carl Barks and the Art of the
Comic Book", an unknown Barks gag is listed.

It's a one-page (Donald Duck?) gag (idea?) for "Donald Duck" Four
Color No. 356, submitted on March 8, 1951.

(In his book, Michael Barrier lists this entry as both "one-page gag"
and "one-page DD gag idea". I guess he means the latter?)

According to Barrier, Barks has said that the gag on the inside back
cover "possibly is the one." 

In the Inducks database, this one page Donald Duck gag is described
as "talking parrot". The story code is "W OS 356-05"; the writer is
unknown; and the art is by Frank McSavage. 

This gag, which has resemblances with the Uncle Scrooge parrot gag
of US 61, can be seen at:
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg" (Size is about 300Kb)

What do you think of the possibility that this may be a Carl Barks
gag? For example, are there noticeable differences with the other
two gags in the issue, which were also drawn by Frank McSavage?

Below are some points of which I think that they may have some
resemblances with Barks' style. Please note that I've never compared
Barks' work with the work of his 1942-1966 colleagues, so I don't
have any idea if these points really make a difference at all.

* Though the dialogue ("Say: "Polly wants a cracker!"") in the first
  six panels keeps the same, there's an interesting detailed usage
  of bold lettering which illustrates Donald getting more and more
  desperate in his attempts to make the parrot talk.

* Donald's comment "Oh, go fall in a lake, you blankety-blank,
  stupid BONEHEAD!"

* The backlight in panel 4. (Donald and the parrot being shown as
  silhouettes, because of the light coming through the window.)

I'm very curious for your comments. 

Many thanks to Kjell for scanning the gag. 


Best wishes,

--- Daniel



From luisfelipepires at uol.com.br  Sat Nov 25 02:13:14 2000
From: luisfelipepires at uol.com.br (Luis Felipe)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:13:14 -0100
Subject: Carl Barks and Afterlife - Now he knows !
Message-ID: <000501c0567d$be6d2aa0$9480dec8@default>

Now you know !

Carl, now you know there's an afterlife !
Now you know no one really dies
if the work he did during his life
is a work that never will be forgotten !
Now you know the love we put in the work we do
is the meal that nourishes our soul
and makes it last forever !
Now you know that when we are loved
by so many people all around the world,
we are not allowed to die,
because to be loved that way is to reach the edges of immortality !
No matter what you thought about afterlife before !
Now you know your soul will be much alive
whenever someone wanders in the fantastic world you created !
Your masterpieces are the world in which you are alive now !
Now you know Ducks never die !
Now you know !


                                          luisfelipepires at uol.com.br

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From harms313 at web.de  Sat Nov 25 12:29:50 2000
From: harms313 at web.de (Klaus Harms)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:29:50 +0100
Subject: The parrot sketch and something completely different
References: <200011250814.JAA06857@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3A1FA2AE.221C4B98@web.de>

Hi,

> Daniel van Eijmeren: Could "talking parrot" (OS356) be a Barks-gag?
> "http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg" 

> [SNIP] are there noticeable differences with the other
> two gags in the issue, which were also drawn by Frank McSavage?

It would be fine to see these two, also. Anyone has scans of these?

> Below are some points of which I think that they may have some
> resemblances with Barks' style. 
> * Though the dialogue ("Say: "Polly wants a cracker!"") in the first
>   six panels keeps the same, there's an interesting detailed usage
>   of bold lettering which illustrates Donald getting more and more
>   desperate in his attempts to make the parrot talk.

I think that monotonous repetition of a single phrase is uncommon in
Barks' work, though the increase of intensity looks very typical to me.
(BTW: That is what made me attribute the gag page to Barks as its
likeliest author in an article I wrote for "Der Donaldist" 89  some time
ago).

> * Donald's comment "Oh, go fall in a lake, you blankety-blank,
>   stupid BONEHEAD!"

The "Bonehead" attribute is used in a later-on Barks comic, by a nephew
in WDC 132. Strong hint on Barks as author. 

> * The backlight in panel 4. (Donald and the parrot being shown as
>   silhouettes, because of the light coming through the window.)

Frank McSavage is very familiar with silhouette and shading techniques;
please look at "The Crocodile Collector", "Seeing Things" (both DDOS
348), and "Rags to Riches" (DDOS 356), respectively, for reference.

It is very difficult to attribute authorship of a comic book story to a
certain author, and it is almost impossible to do the same with a one
page story consisting of few more than a gag. If there is some certainty
that one of the cover gags IS written by Barks (and Barrier's
bibliography usually is very accurate, and the printing scedules of
Western Publishing usually matches with Barks' records at that time),
then the parrot sketch would be the likeliest candidate (though I
haven't seen the other ones).

A.n.f.s.c.d.: About a year ago there was a discussion about "The
Complete Daily Strip Adventures of Mickey Mouse 1930-1955)"; it was
claimed then that one specific page was generally missing from ALL known
copies (page 15 from the 1937 volume). After finishing an extensive
examination of my copy I found that the mentioned page is present there.
I will provide a scan of the page (200 dpi, 1200 kb) or a xerox on
request.

Klaus


From marco.barlotti at cce.unifi.it  Sat Nov 25 09:53:25 2000
From: marco.barlotti at cce.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:53:25 +0100
Subject: Barks' perfume sketch
In-Reply-To: <200011250831.JAA07081@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001125095325.0096aac0@facec.cce.unifi.it>

At 23.40.13 24/11/00 +0100, "Francesco Spreafico" <frspreaf at tin.it> wrote:
>
>
>From: "Fernando Ventura" <fernandopventura at uol.com.br>
>
>> Hum...I'm not sure, but this draw is not lost, and after Scarpa redraw it?
>> Or this one is the "original" Barks sketch?
>
>Strange... looking on the Blue book, page 58 (bottom right), the sketch is
>still different.
>

The drawing in the "Blue Book" is apocryphal... It was "reconstructed" by
Scarpa at the time of publishing the book, because he couldn't find the
original sketch.
Apparently, he found it, now!

     Marco


http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics





From eega at katamail.com  Sat Nov 25 15:09:54 2000
From: eega at katamail.com (Eta Beta)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:09:54 +0100
Subject: Chet Marshall
Message-ID: <20001125141032Z4747-309448+93@merganser.its.uu.se>

FERNANDO

>And there are just one item on the index of Chet Marshall...what's happening
>with him? Someone can send me a small scan off this incredible(?) cover???

Here's the cover...

http://members.xoom.com/eega/misc/us_dm_0020.jpg

... and here's its inside, with the (truly weird) story of
poor Chet Marshall.

http://members.xoom.com/eega/misc/marshall.jpg


Cheers

Eta Beta


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Sat Nov 25 16:35:26 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:35:26 +0100
Subject: Money bin #2
Message-ID: <20001125152821.439967C0C@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

DON ROSA:

In "Treasure of Marco Polo" (US 64), a vault with treasures is shown.

In "So Far and No Safari" (US 61), panel 3.1 shows a staircase inside
of the money bin. The wall contains the same logo as on the outside of
the money bin.

Are you also interested in details inside of the money bin, like the
little statue of the god "Gimmee" in the Marco Polo story?


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From sko at acoustics.dk  Sat Nov 25 16:45:38 2000
From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:45:38 +0100
Subject: Barks' perfume sketch
References: <3.0.6.32.20001125095325.0096aac0@facec.cce.unifi.it>
Message-ID: <3A1FDEA2.9080207@acoustics.dk>

MARCO:

> The drawing in the "Blue Book" is apocryphal... It was "reconstructed" by
> Scarpa at the time of publishing the book, because he couldn't find the
> original sketch.
> Apparently, he found it, now!

Erm, perhaps I have misunderstood something here, but Uncle Scrooge on

http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/Scarpoa/Scarpa04.jpg

still looks more like Scarpa than Barks to me.

S?ren



From paolociab at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 25 17:11:13 2000
From: paolociab at hotmail.com (Paolo C)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:11:13 
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <LAW-F40kuutSgcOrBLS00002008@hotmail.com>

Hy everybody!
Why the messages are not readable anymore since a few days???
Best regards,
Paolo
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From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Sat Nov 25 16:14:46 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:14:46 +0100
Subject: Money bin
Message-ID: <20001125150737.E6F3C7D4E@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

DON ROSA:

"For Old Time's Sake" (US 43) shows a room in which the ducks try to
protect themselves against Magica's powers. Scrooge hasn't his safety
helmet on and so he hides in a little room where his ink is stored. 

I can't remember any library rooms, which doesn't say much at all,
but maybe Scrooge doesn't really have a library? Except for buying
some ancient books, Scrooge might prefer to go to the Duckburg library,
instead of building a book collection of his own.

In the art-only "The Invisible Intruder" (US 44), Scrooge has a giant
bedroom in the money bin. Maybe Scrooge used it for something else
after removing the giant bed?

In several stories, a hidden trap is shown in front of Scrooge's desk. 

In "Back to the Klondike" (OS 456), a giant boxing glove comes from
above Scrooge's head. 

In "Clothes make the Duck" (US 32), Scrooge tries to get rid of Daisy's
club, which completely ruins his clothes. Scrooge escapes by climbing 
into an air vent, which is shown as being in the money part of the
money bin. In general, this story also shows a lot of backgrounds
which contain the inside of the money bin.

In "The Case of the Sticky Money" (US 42), details are shown of the
roof of the money bin.

In "A Spicy Tale" (US 39), Scrooge drinks nutmeg tea. Maybe he has
a special storage room for it? (Nutmeg tea isn't always easily 
available, as the story learns.)

The statue contest story (WDC 138) shows a cellar in the money bin. 

The rare coins story (WDC 130) contains references to the money at
the bottom of the money bin.


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From j.heino at pp2.inet.fi  Sun Nov 26 01:55:38 2000
From: j.heino at pp2.inet.fi (Janne Heino)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:55:38 +0200
Subject: Money bin by Barks
References: <200011250814.JAA06857@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <008101c05744$605bde80$06b69cc3@default>

Here I have listed some things I noticed from some Barks stories. I'm sorry but I can't remember the english names for the stories but I have written the plot so you get the idea of the story...

The money bin:

- has a room with defence mechanisms (for lightning, comets, tornados) and a shelve with ink bottles.
these bits are from "W/US 43"  In the story Magica attacks the Money bin with different methods, turns herself to Scrooge, nephews notices this and ruin her plans. The lack of the little ink spot on her head exposes her.

- has a thinking room this came up in the story "US 16" In the story Scrooge enters a gameshow but he must not win it because he has already earned too much this year so he ends up answering the question wrong in purpose but he wins the competition afterall because the host thinks that such a dumb person needs the money.

-has a little cupboard where Scrooge wanted to sleep after he has thrown away the huge bed he had in the story. the storycode is "US 44"

- in several stories he has a bathtub filled with money as in the 1 page gag "come-as-you-are party"

Janne 





From komix43 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 26 02:24:28 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:24:28 +0200
Subject: New Bin's Rooms! (Part 1)
Message-ID: <OE55HNuQuN6tdqVvPdL000020a7@hotmail.com>

Don Rosa:

-Land Beneath the Ground (US 13): A worry room (Page 1, panel 2)

-Secret of Hondorica (DD 98): Scrooge have a giant world map in his office
(Page 1, panels 1,2 and 3)

-The Phantom of Notre Duck (US 184): There is a room before the Vault. Maybe
it's miss Quackfaster's or Scrooge's office (Page 1, panel 1). Also, there
are more rooms on page 2, panel 3.

-So Far and No Safari (US 61): As Daniel van Eijmeren said, there is a big
stair and 2 doors on page 3, panel 1

-The Many Faces of Magica De Spell (US 48): There is a small safe for
Scrooge's First Dime (page 2, panel 5). Also, we can see that Scrooge has a
small room with a rocket for an emergency escape! (page 10, panel 7)

-The Paul Banyan Machine (US 28): A new room! There is a laboratory on page
6, panel 8!

-How Green was my Lettuce (US 51): There is a small window next to Scrooge's
garden (page 2, panel 2 - so, there is a ground floor too) and a room full
of pigeon in the roof (page 9, panel 4 - I'm re-mention that)

-Adventure in Tralla La (US 6): There is a room for Scrooge's correspondence
(page 1, panel 1)

That's what I found in a short search I done.
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From agridiot at spidernet.net  Sun Nov 26 23:35:05 2000
From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:35:05 -0800
Subject: Bin's library
Message-ID: <000701c057f9$212f6000$37929ac2@8944cjn72961>

Hi DCML members.
I think i found a library!
In the story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time" which Barks wrote in 1965 and paint
in 1981. In the start of this story we see Donald and his nephews to help
Scrooge to find something. This is not a Duckburg's library because it has
safe and the script write scrooge call his nephews to help him.
Best Wishes!






George Agridiotis, Nicosia - Cyprus
E-mail: agridiot at spidernet.net
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixwebsite/
DCML member



From komix43 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 26 16:28:21 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:28:21 +0200
Subject: Bin's Maps
Message-ID: <OE51yY0QUUBPcZi71mr00001e94@hotmail.com>

Don:

I made 3 maps for the Bin. You can take a look at
http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage/bin/ and tell me your opinion. Also,
all the DCML members can check them and help me completing those maps.
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From paolociab at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 26 17:05:30 2000
From: paolociab at hotmail.com (Paolo C)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:05:30 
Subject: Fwd: DCML digest, Vol 1 #330 - 9 msgs
Message-ID: <LAW-F894ZDgC81TbdkS000021b7@hotmail.com>

Sorry again,
but this is what I get since a week. No changes made in my computer, but the 
messages are not readable anymore.
Best regards,
Paolo


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From arthur at westbrabant.net  Sun Nov 26 21:35:03 2000
From: arthur at westbrabant.net (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:35:03 +0100
Subject: Barks article & Dutch dialect comic
References: <LAW-F894ZDgC81TbdkS000021b7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <067101c057e8$5af4dd80$491842c3@quicknet.nl>

Hi,

BARKS ARTICLE IN STRIPSCHRIFT:
This week a new issue of Dutch comic magazine Stripschrift will come out
with a 9-page article on Carl Barks. The front of the magazine features
Barks in front of Big Thunder Mountain and his "Mine All Mine!" painting.
The back of the magazine shows a Porky Pig painting. The last 3 pages in the
article features short sections on "The favorite Barks-story of ..." several
Dutch artists & editors of the Dutch Donald Duck weekly.

DUTCH DIALECT COMICBOOK:
For the first time in the Netherlands a Donald Duck comicbook came out in a
Dutch dialect. The comic is in the Limburg language, which is an area in the
south-east of the country. The comic that was translated was issue #7 of the
(Barks only) Beste Verhalen van Donald Duck series. The opening story is
Vacation Time (W VP 1-01).

Kind regards,

Arthur de Wolf
Disney Comics Worldwide: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw




From is at morsf.dk  Sat Nov 25 17:04:36 2000
From: is at morsf.dk (Ivan =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8rensen?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:04:36 +0100
Subject: thinking-hat
Message-ID: <200011251602.RAA28411@mor-01b>

Hi you guys.

I am trying to find a picture og Gyro Gearloose with his thinking-hat
(maybe it is called something else, but it is the fancy hat he puts on, and
suddenly generates brilliant idears).

I am a subeditor at a small paper in Denmark Scandinavia, and my college
the cartoonist needs it as inspiration to to draw a picture of our local
mair, who needs a loot of good idears for the time beeing....

Everybody I talk to seems to have seen Gyro with this hat, but nowone can
find it?

Can anybody help, I would be ever so greatfull.

Lots of good wishes to whoever reads this.

Ivan, Denmark.
is at morsf.dk



From f95thwi at dd.chalmers.se  Sun Nov 26 15:55:33 2000
From: f95thwi at dd.chalmers.se (Theresa Wiegert)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:55:33 +0100 (MET)
Subject: $crooges money bin!
In-Reply-To: <200011250831.JAA07081@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011261544240.11339-100000@galadriel.dd.chalmers.se>

Quack!
I was wondering.... If the bin is 12 floors high, do they use the stairs
all the time, or is there an elevator? The entrance to the actual bin must
be on the top floor, by obvious reasons (or at least on one the
"toppest" floors), so the ducks must be quite well-trained...

Why is it that it's only on the front of the bin there are "living
quarters"? Couldn't it go all way around the building, with the money in
the middle. Of course, that would make it impossible for the beagle boys
to drill a hole in the wall (but I don't know if they've ever done that in
Barks' universe). But on the other hand, $crooge might not have use for
that kind of space to offices. 
But there are windows of some kind on all sides aren't there (at least at
two at the time, since my comic books are 2-dim), at the top. 

We do know that there's a pile of diamond dust in a room on the ground (or
cellar?) floor (GLORP!), though... 

-- 
/Theresa

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From martin_olsen at post.tele.dk  Sun Nov 26 17:05:36 2000
From: martin_olsen at post.tele.dk (Martin Olsen)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:05:36 +0100
Subject: MM dailes 1937
Message-ID: <000501c057c2$b76e3960$d1abf9c3@amitech>

Klaus Harms wrote:

>A.n.f.s.c.d.: About a year ago there was a discussion about "The
>Complete Daily Strip Adventures of Mickey Mouse 1930-1955)"; it was
>claimed then that one specific page was generally missing from ALL known
>copies (page 15 from the 1937 volume). After finishing an extensive
>examination of my copy I found that the mentioned page is present there.
>I will provide a scan of the page (200 dpi, 1200 kb) or a xerox on
>request.

The printed version of 1937 does indeed contain a page 15, but if you look
at it carefully, you will notice that it is identical to page 14 (except, of
course, the page number). What *is* missing in the 1937 volume is the
intended contents of page 15, i.e. the strips for March 18-20. I have a
reconstructed version of the *real* page 15.
The 1937 volume has another "error": The surrounding volumes have the strips
printed to fill the pages with only a narrow margin at the top and bottom.
The 1937 volume has all strips reduced to a much smaller size.

Martin.




From jgarvin at bendcable.com  Sun Nov 26 17:37:41 2000
From: jgarvin at bendcable.com (john garvin)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:37:41 -0800
Subject: money bin
References: <200011261117.MAA26121@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3A213C55.1D6B4661@bendcable.com>

I know Don that you've often said you don't consider Barks' paintings as part of the "Barks' Universe" because they were all done after 1967 and are made for collectors rather than readers.

I wish you would reconsider this stance.  There is some spectacular detail in these paintings, much of which is logically extrapolated from splash panels in the Uncle Scrooge stories.  I especially like the idea of a mining tunnel burrowing and winding down through the acres of coins, complete with rusty old track and cars
that Scrooge would have salvaged from one of his shut down operations, and an old rusty steamshovel, from the days when fresh cash was pouring into the vault and need to be moved around.  This tunnel would allow Scrooge to get to the bottom of his bin to examine the two (or more?) cracks that are in the floor: one that leads
to the fissure which claimed his forturne in "Christmas for Shacktown" and one which was caused by a Terry/Fermy earthquake.  You might even be able to see portions of the depth gauge on your way down.  Scrooge would also have used such a tunnel to help with counting and sorting.  I know he often found his older coins buried
at the bottom (pieces of eight, etc.).




From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Mon Nov 27 12:05:27 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:05:27 +0100
Subject: Barks article & Dutch dialect comic
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEF8A@l04.research.kpn.com>

Arthur wrote:

> This week a new issue of Dutch comic magazine Stripschrift 
> will come out with a 9-page article on Carl Barks.

Right. The article (only 6 pages) is by Erik Svane. I guess this is a
Scandinavian guy? Stripschrift didn't print the original publication of the
article.
Accompanied are a few nice photographs of Barks in Disneyland.

> The back of the magazine shows a Porky Pig painting.

This is the painting Barks made for the 1977 edition of Overstreet's price
guide (#7). They (again) don't mention that. This reproduction does not have
the Price Guide logo, and is bigger than the Guide. So it must be a copy of
the original painting. I hadn't seen this version before.
(And I happened to buy that Price Guide in San Diego, just a few months
ago...)

> The last 3 pages in the
> article features short sections on "The favorite Barks-story 
> of ..." several
> Dutch artists & editors of the Dutch Donald Duck weekly.

Plus some photographs of Barks' visit to Holland in 1994.

Not bad, all in all. But it could have been much better...

--Harry.
(Nice wedding photographs, Arthur!)


From agridiot at spidernet.net  Mon Nov 27 23:16:43 2000
From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:16:43 -0800
Subject: $crooges money bin! 
Message-ID: <002501c058bf$ba48b9a0$a4929ac2@8944cjn72961>

Theresa Wiegert wrote
>Of course, that would make it impossible for the beagle boys
>to drill a hole in the wall (but I don't know if they've ever done that in
>Barks' universe).

No, i think in the "House of Haunts" they did it bad Scrooge hadn't his
money in the bin any more bad in the castle.

George Agridiotis, Nicosia - Cyprus
E-mail: agridiot at spidernet.net
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixwebsite/
DCML member



From blascopisapi at pop.libero.it  Mon Nov 27 13:27:07 2000
From: blascopisapi at pop.libero.it (Blasco Pisapia)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:27:07 +0100
Subject: Chronology of my stories
Message-ID: <a05010400b647dc285d1c@popmail.libero.it>

Hi to all of you, again.
I've been "e-mail deprived" since last January, and only a few days 
ago did I subscribe to DCML again.
I answer here to Luca Boschi, so that, should anyone else be 
interested...(you never know...)

                 # # # # # # # # # #

Dear Luca,
here's the chronology of my works, so far.

DISNEY MEGAZINE
                   # 50  (1/31/'98)  ZP: "Coscienza ecologica"
                                     I-DMR 50-08       1 page
                                     F. Artibani (s)

                   # 52  (2/14/'98)  BB: "L'assaggiatore"
                                     I-DMR 52-14       1 page
                                     F. Artibani (s)


PAPERINIK
                   #57   (6/'98)     "Paperinik e il sospetto di Ciccio"
                                     I-PK 57-2        24 pages
                                     D.Fasano (s), Venturini (i)

                   #59   (8/'98)     "Paperinik... in tourn?e"
                                     I-PK 59-2 ?      20 pages
                                     N.Russo (s), Venturini (i)

                   #63   (12/'98)    "Paperinik e il Natale tranquillo"
                                     I-PK 63-1        37 pages
                                     B.Concina (s), Venturini (i)

                   #66   (3/'99)     "Paperinik e il peggior incubo"
                                     I-PK 66-1        30 pages
                                     Venturini (i)

                   #70   (7/'99)     "Paperinik e il fango della discordia"
                                     I-PK 70-1        43 pages
                                     Venturini (i)

                   #73   (10/'99)    "Gi? la maschera, Paperinik!"
                                     I-PK 73-1        34 pages
                                     B.Concina (s), Venturini (i)

                   #75   (12/'99)    "Paperinik e l'emergenza natalizia"
                                     I-PK 75-1/A,1/B  60 pages
                                     S.Tulipano (s), L.Chiavini (i)

                   #76   (1/'00)     "Paperinik e il Valhalla degli eroi"
                                     I-PK 76-2        15 pages
                                     N.Russo (s)

                   #79   (4/'00)     "Paperinik e la minaccia lentigginosa"
                                     I-PK 79-2 ?      16 pages
                                     N.Russo (s)

                   #81   (6/'00)     "Paperinik e i banditi in erba"
                                     I-PK 81-2        16 pages
                                     N.Russo (s)


PAPERINO
                   #232  (10/'99)    "Paperino e i tirannici servitori"
                                     I-P 232-2        30 pages
                                     S.Tulipano (s)

                   #246  (12/'00)    "Paperino e la casa alla moda"
                                     I-P 246-2 ?      30 pages





From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov 27 15:52:14 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:52:14 -0500
Subject: digest #331
References: <200011271111.MAA04284@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <009001c05881$b856dde0$e2eeffcc@default>

Okay, I just got back from the MidOhioCon, and I see all these great
suggestions and ideas for Money Bin rooms. I made a list of notes and I'll
comment on a few ideas, but I did not make a note on who said what, so I'll
just pile all the comments together.

First of all, hiho to Hoy who I bumped into too briefly at the convention.
Sorry -- I figured I'd see you 37 more times otherwise we should have
chatted longer. We must have been in different aisles the rest of the
weekend. Glad I signed all your comics during that encounter!

As for this Money Bin idea -- my challenge is to sift through all my
memories and other folks' suggestions and decide what to include and what
to ignore. Many rooms that Barks showed are essential. But other rooms and
views must be weighed as being done only for convenience of panel or story
construction, or that they were used simply as a toss-away gag, the same
way I treat the Bin when I draw it. I don't suggest that Barks *ever*
intended that somebody attempt a Money Bin design -- I'm doing it just for
my own pleasure. And I have also always drawn views of Money Bin office
interiors without concern to how they fit together or whether I show the
office in the same design twice... and after we draw up Bin plans, I will
seldom if ever look at them while drawing $crooge's office. I will also
leave a floor or two undescribed so that I can always decide there is
something else in the Bin that I had not thought of before. Also, if I
refuse to use a room or element that some Duckfan thinks I really should
have included, he's free to assume for himself that it's on that "other
floor".
Butler -- I know that Barks showed a butler pouring coins over $crooge in
one splash panel. $crooge (or Barks) hired the butler for that one purpose.
He was then sacked. And the butler and chauffer in "Xmas on Bear Mountain"
went along with the mansion in that story, and $crooge got rid of all that
(in *my* version of all this) soon thereafter, as I tell in my "Lo$" part
12.
Windows -- Barks showed various numbers and positions of windows, but most
of the time he showed 8, and that's how I have always shown it. 2 in each
upper cube-corner. Therefore, 4 would be in the office-facade and 4 in the
Bin itself. The window down low where $crooge reached out for a cabbage in
the garden in that one tale -- this is an example of a throw-away gag that
I'll ignore.
The Bin design might easily be offices on all 4 sides with the Bin in the
center, but that would be a LOT of drawing!!!! We already think we will
have great trouble in even drawing the layouts of a narrow bunch of rooms
on one side. And those 12-13 floors will have plenty of room for all the
ideas I foresee. So we will stick to offices in only the front facade of
the Bin.
The idea of a tunnel down into the coins is fine, but that is not part of
the Bin design. And it would be a changing element as well. It might be
there, but it won't show on our plans. And that's good because we really
won't have room for diagrams of anything but those narrow front floor
sections! Also, the painting with the mine-shaft that is being referred to
was done during the so-called "Carl Barks Studio" period, and I am quite
delighted to blot those years from my memory of Barks altogether. 'Nuff
said.
Precious stones on the bottom level of the Bin -- this is an example of a
very funny throw-away gag that I will very much ignore. The precious stones
will be housed in small bins in the facade-section, along with bullion,
etc.
The giant bed in "Invisible Intruder" -- this was NOT a Barks story. He
only drew it. And I'm glad to ignore that very un-$crooge-like notion.
Which brings me to the reminder applicable to all my work: I ignore all
stories that Barks either only drew or only wrote. The reason I would
ignore the stories that he only wrote (the "Junior Woodchuck" stories) is
that Barks seemed to be doing stories about the JW's, and using $crooge as
only a background character, and I don't really like the $crooge character
that appears in some of those stories. He seems like a new character
compared to the older stories. Well, anyway, I choose to ignore any
post-1967 work Barks did on these Ducks.
Now I have a rather long list of other ideas and issue numbers and I'm
gonna go check them all out and decide what to do. F'rinstance, can the
"thinking room" be the same as the "worry room"? But ALL comments have been
noted and will be examined! Thanks! Please keep sending any new things you
recall!



From sgarcia at uf-isf.es  Mon Nov 27 16:12:03 2000
From: sgarcia at uf-isf.es (Santiago Garcia Banhos)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:12:03 +0100
Subject: Money Bin's rooms
In-Reply-To: <200011271111.MAA04292@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002701c05884$65ab33e0$34446f0a@ufisf.es>

Apostolis:

Some duckfan! Story researching, bin's sketches... My congratulations! You
are the one! :-)

Don:

I feel not able to remember any other room in the bin which hasn't been
remarked already by the other folks here, but I have an idea of my own
(inspired by some American as well as Italian stories):

I think you should add rooms to show how Scrooge is mean. For example, he
could have a huge room oriented to RECICLYNG all the papers, pencils' chip,
and so, used in his office. He stores there all of that for selling it to a
ragdealer, or so... Let's remember U$ is not very keen on throwing things
away to the trash can.

Santiago.



From komix43 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 27 17:19:19 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:19:19 +0200
Subject: Money Bin's rooms
Message-ID: <OE16ZfSp1J106zPpPku0000290d@hotmail.com>

Santiago wrote:

>>>Apostolis:

>>>Some duckfan! Story researching, bin's sketches... My congratulations!
You
>>>are the one! :-)

Thanks for your lovely words! I'm trying to help Don as much as I can, by
drawing sketches, making searches or even thinking new rooms! :-)

>>>I think you should add rooms to show how Scrooge is mean. For example, he
>>>could have a huge room oriented to RECICLYNG all the papers, pencils'
chip,
>>>and so, used in his office. He stores there all of that for selling it to
a
>>>ragdealer, or so... Let's remember U$ is not very keen on throwing things
>>>away to the trash can.

Great idea! Maybe Scrooge has a Recycling room in the basement, keeping
there all the things he wants to store. But that would be a really *big*
room!

Don:

>>>F'rinstance, can the
>>>"thinking room" be the same as the "worry room"?

Actually, it is the same room. A room Scrooge is using when he's nervous or
sad.

>>>I will also
>>>leave a floor or two undescribed so that I can always decide there is
>>>something else in the Bin that I had not thought of before. Also, if I
>>>refuse to use a room or element that some Duckfan thinks I really should
>>>have included, he's free to assume for himself that it's on that "other
>>>floor".

That'll be nice of you :-) Nobody will be displeased then! But I'm confused
with the number of floors the Bin have. Is it 2-3 or 10-12 or more? If the
floors are more than 10, I'm wondering what else can included, apart from
the rooms we have already mention here. Maybe most of the floors are offices
and storehouses, but is Scrooge paying so many employees? Anyway, I'm sure
you can add all the rooms that Barks is mentioning in his stories. Also, you
can create a library room, because I'm sure Scrooge will never spend so much
money for renting books from Duckburg's Library (info: it's on Cornelius
Coot Avenue 23, Quack-Island) :-)

Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov 27 17:27:43 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:27:43 -0500
Subject: digest #331 again already
References: <200011271111.MAA04284@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <005801c0588e$f9af7600$99ecffcc@default>

To show that I'm right on top of this, I have already checked out all the
suggestions of Money Bin rooms that I jotted down from the previous
digests...
In two examples of what I assume are careless errors by translators (or
simply difficult words to translate), I see that the alleged "lab" shown in
U$ #28 was actually an assay room (which I can include -- but I do not
think $crooge has a lab, he's not a chemist except in regard to testing the
value of ore), and the alleged "thinking room" in U$ #16 was actually the
usual "Worry Room" which is *definitely* already in my plans.
The "shelter" in U$ #43 is actually the Bin Defense Control Center (my
terminology) and I already have that in my plans.
The "treasure vault" in U$ #64 is actually just a floor safe -- note the
lower right corner... it stands *out* from the wall surface. Therefore it
is furniture and may or may not be included. We'll decide about showing key
pieces of furniture. Surely we'll show things like $crooge's desk, but I
don't think we'll try to show other furniture which would obviously move or
be added or subtracted as time went by. This would apply to maps on walls.
They would come and go, but I would like to add a notation, if there's
room, of a "map of world" on the main wall in U$'s office. We'll see...
The rocket-escape room in U$ #48 -- hmmm. I think we'll regard that as a
throw-away gag / plot element.
And I checked various views of staircases and rooms. We'll try to fit these
in, but we won't let them make our job impossible.
Yes, we'll have an armory. And the trap-door in front of U$'s desk.
Please keep sending anything else you think of. No hurry -- this is for a
story that will take me a few months to complete. Thanks!




From cnotw at zen.it  Mon Nov 27 18:58:55 2000
From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:58:55 +0100
Subject: Blasco's  Chronology of my stories
Message-ID: <20001127170044Z5720-315646+83@merganser.its.uu.se>

Thank you, Blasco, for your "public chronology".

And since you'll receive this e-mail, I can tell you that storyline of "our"
next to come story about Paperinik and Sgrizzo teaming-up is... done!

Can you also tell us Venturini's first name (maybe Marco and other people
just know it, indeed!).

Ciao,

Luca


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Mon Nov 27 18:10:00 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:10:00 +0100
Subject: Barks' Brigitte money perfume idea for Scarpa
Message-ID: <20001127170350.BC7F67C18@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

I've seen the money perfume idea at
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/Scarpa/Scarpa04.jpg
and to me it looks like a Scarpa drawing.

If so, Scarpa must have drawn the idea at least three times. The other two
versions I've seen are:

- A drawing published in Uncle Scrooge 242, April 1990.
- A blue drawing published in a 1990s Piscou. (I don't have this issue.) 

I've also seen a Barks version, but I don't remember where it was
published. I think it was an Italian pocket comic (Zio Paperoni?),
which somebody (I don't remember who) showed to me in August 1999,
during a visit to Arthur de Wolf.

Arthur made a scan for me, which (reduced in size) can be seen at:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/df_75scarpa.jpg

The drawing appears to be part of a letter, dated "Burbank, 1975",
accompanied with the text "If this siren idea is any good, you're
welcome to it. C.B."

Below this text, Barks writes:

- - - - - -

Dear Romano (and Brigitte) -

 Sorry to be so slow at
sending this slide. Have been
very busy painting. Gare and
I enjoyed meeting you and the
other fine artists and writers.
We wish you much success.

             Carl Barks

- - - - - -

I didn't manage to find Scarpa's 1976 story "The Golden Bunch" at
the Inducks search site. I took the title from the explanation in
Uncle Scrooge 242. What is the Italian title? 

Does the money perfume play an important role in the story?


Best wishes,

--- Daniel

"Gkkkkqzffjgmmmssfxxxwllvkkkski! Gckfpt!"

(Which story?) :-)


From mccallumrn at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 27 19:02:38 2000
From: mccallumrn at hotmail.com (Rob and Nancy McCallum)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:02:38 -0500
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Message-ID: <F250FmWAFsTmIClmpcQ00005eb1@hotmail.com>

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Last five digests have not included the actual messages.  What's happening?  
I'm using a Mac platform.

Example of the last digest is given below in the complete from received!



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From K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com  Mon Nov 27 19:16:23 2000
From: K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com (Kristian PEDERSEN)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:16:23 +0100
Subject: Chateau de Versailles
Message-ID: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C30194C55@PROXIMA>

This fact may be common knowledge on the list, and if so, I apologize. But
I'll take my chances, because if it isn't it certainly _ought_ to be!

Chateau de Versailles is a beautiful old castle near Paris, ancient home of
the Sun King, Louis XIV in the seventeenth century. Apparently this mighty
sovereign (or perhaps an even earlier tenant) was also a Mickey Mouse fan,
as is evident from the layout of the garden. I finally found a good plan on
the web, so you don't have to take my word for it.

Now you're thinking "Oh yeah, so if I click on that link I'll see a familiar
three circle-Mickey silhouette, big deal!" You will indeed see this - along
with Mickey's nose, his mouth, his eyes WITH pupils, his arms, legs and
feet, and to top it all off, the darn buttons in his trousers!!

Did Gyro go back in a time machine and inadvertently forget a picture of
Mickey? In my opinion somebody should do a story about this!

Kristian :)

http://www.smartweb.fr/versailles/ja/map.htm






From blascopisapi at pop.libero.it  Mon Nov 27 20:48:02 2000
From: blascopisapi at pop.libero.it (Blasco Pisapia)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:48:02 +0100
Subject: Money Bin
Message-ID: <a05010400b6485fef4638@popmail.libero.it>

To DON ROSA:

Concerning the Bin's dimensions, we have two conflicting evidences:
           1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should measure
              about 120 feet in height;
           2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;

  Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then 
the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.

One could think that 3 cubic acres were the total amount of Scrooge's 
wealth, not necessarily stored in the vault, hadn't Scrooge himself 
told us differently in several occasions.

You seem to have chosen the evidence of the depth gauge, ignoring the 
other fact. Is it so? Or is there a way to respect both statements?


About the rooms the Bin may contain, I'd like to make a suggestion.
We all know that what Scrooge stores in his Bin is not mere money, 
but memories.
What if he had designed in there sort of a scenography, portraying 
the places he loved best, such as The Blackjack Ballroom, McDuck 
Castle, and so on.
When he feels nostalgic, he could stroll along on a mining trolley.
It is not a Barksian fact, of course, but ...
                      Best wishes for your wonderful work!


From komix43 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 27 21:14:41 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:14:41 +0200
Subject: New Bin's Rooms! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <OE14TjAg86386u4Mq5U00002b3f@hotmail.com>

Here's the results of my last search I made today:

The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
(according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
20th floor!". So, there are 20 floors in the Bin! On the same page, in the
last 2 panels we can see Donald runing . There are 2 rooms in that hall.

Island in the Sky: On page 1, panel 1, we can see a door to the roof. It's
in the middle of the roof.

Untitled story (US 16): Another Worry room on page 3, panel 4...

The Money Champ (US 27): On page 4, panels 7 & 8, and on page 5, panel 1, we
can see a Diamond's fountain and a skier's racetrack (but I'm sure that the
Bin doesn't have a fountain and a racetrack!)

The Mines of King Solomon (US 19): On page 1, panels 1,2 and 4, we can see
an "Army" of employees. So, the Bin must have a lot of offices

Microducks from Outer Space (US 65): There is a small safe with samples from
Scrooge's plantations (page 7, panel 3).

The Strange Shipwrecks (US 23): On the first page of that story, Scrooge is
climbing the stairs to go to his office. Also, in the same page, in the last
panel, Scrooge is saying "I'll think about that. Now I have to go to my
office. And if I need his help...".

Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member



From p.castagno at libero.it  Mon Nov 27 21:12:47 2000
From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:12:47 +0100
Subject: Barks' Brigitte money perfume idea for Scarpa
References: <20001127170350.BC7F67C18@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>
Message-ID: <3A22C03F.A3A59BAB@libero.it>

Hi Daniel,

...and congratulations for your firts story!!

> I've seen the money perfume idea at
> http://digilander.iol.it/inducks/Scarpa/Scarpa04.jpg
> and to me it looks like a Scarpa drawing.

Well, a little bit also to me, but it was the only item in the
whole exhibition having this sentence written on it: "Property of
Romano Scarpa", also it was the only one not signed by him!

So, I don't think Scarpa was going to make a "fake" Barks...
maybe he just "rebuilt" it the way it was???? 

> I didn't manage to find Scarpa's 1976 story "The Golden Bunch" at
> the Inducks search site. I took the title from the explanation in
> Uncle Scrooge 242. What is the Italian title?

I TL 1061-A and I TL 1061-A "Zio Paperone e il casco d'oro" from
March 1976, you can find it on TL 1061&1062, GCD 29 and PF 4

> Does the money perfume play an important role in the story?

Yes, it is produced by Gyro for the beagle boys who give it to
Brigitta. Their plan is simple: once US will be engaged with
Brigitta they'll have the chanche to attack the money bin. But DD
"saves" US from the marriage with Brigitta.

> "Gkkkkqzffjgmmmssfxxxwllvkkkski! Gckfpt!"
> 
> (Which story?) :-)

...beats me.... it should be something Donald says when gets mad
at something... isn't it?

  - Paolo
	
-- 
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Salvatemi!'
(Professor R. Leone in I TL  158-A)



From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov 27 23:10:05 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:10:05 -0500
Subject: digest #332
References: <200011272058.VAA03174@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000901c058be$d0cb7880$beecffcc@default>

Oho!  No problemo. The building shown in "The Golden Fleecing" with 20
stories is clearly NOT the Money Bin. Judging by the views of the office
door leading into a nondescript office building hallway, and the exterior
view of $crooge's window showing a normal multi-windowed building wall, we
can safely treat this scene as taking place in some rattrap auxiliary
office $crooge rents downtown for some reason I could easily come up with
if pressed.



From jvainio at levi.urova.fi  Tue Nov 28 08:40:34 2000
From: jvainio at levi.urova.fi (Vainio Jyrki)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:40:34 +0300 (EET)
Subject: Money Bin Trap Doors
In-Reply-To: <200011271111.MAA04292@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10011281030370.77998-100000@levi.urova.fi>

I remember that as a child reading the stories my favorite thing in the
Money Bin was the trap door mechanism that allowed Scrooge to get rid of
unwanted quests (asking for money, most of them) quickly: he would pull a
lever and the floor would open in front of his desk to drop the unhappy
visitor back to the street. It seems that this was mostly in use back in
the stories where the money bin was a downtown office rather than a huge
building up on Killmotor Hill, though. I know OTHER artists have used it
in that location, too. Does anyone recall such a thing appearing in later
Barks stories? Where would the expelled visitors come out on the hill?
Drop into garbage cans?

---Jyrki Vainio, Finland




From K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com  Tue Nov 28 10:12:10 2000
From: K.PEDERSEN at OBERTHURCS.com (Kristian PEDERSEN)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:12:10 +0100
Subject: Quote
Message-ID: <191CBBF91062D411855D00D0B76F1C30194D51@PROXIMA>

DANIEL/PAOLO:
> "Gkkkkqzffjgmmmssfxxxwllvkkkski! Gckfpt!"
> 
> (Which story?) :-)

...beats me.... it should be something Donald says when gets mad
at something... isn't it?

-- It's the Siberian grufflecrow in Barks' first echo tenpager :)
This story holds a special place for me, after having seen at a music
festival five years ago a Barks fan - ever so slightly under the influence
of alcohol - trying to demonstrate the exact indignant pose of Dewey
shouting "I have not!" as a reply to Donald'd "Dewey's got a girl!". If you
look at the picture, you will see that it's not a very easy pose to assume
:)



From thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov 28 10:53:02 2000
From: thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vic=20Pratt?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:53:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Money Bin
Message-ID: <20001128095302.59989.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>

Something tells me that Unca Carl never bothered
working out how many rooms there were in the Money
Bin...or the dimensions of the walls...or how many
floors there were. If he had a good idea, he put it
in!

There's plenty of unnecessary, dull complication in
superhero comics...one of the reasons why I like
Barks' ducks is because he didn't worry about stuff
like that.  

VIC

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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Mon Nov 27 12:15:20 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:15:20 +0100
Subject: MM dailes 1937
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEF8C@l04.research.kpn.com>

Martin wrote to Klaus:

> The printed version of 1937 does indeed contain a page 15, 
> but if you look
> at it carefully, you will notice that it is identical to page 
> 14 (except, of course, the page number).

The scan that Klaus made is indeed of the missing strips!
(Thanks again Klaus, for scanning it for me.)

> I have a
> reconstructed version of the *real* page 15.

Maybe Klaus has this version too?
On the other hand, on the scan it does not look different from the other
pages in the volume.

--Harry.


From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Mon Nov 27 13:38:00 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:38:00 +0100
Subject: $crooges money bin!
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEF92@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Agridiotis [mailto:agridiot at spidernet.net]

> No, i think in the "House of Haunts" they did it bad Scrooge 
> hadn't his
> money in the bin any more bad in the castle.

Replace "bad" by "but", and the above makes much more sense. 8-)

--Harry.


From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov 27 20:13:33 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:13:33 -0500
Subject: digest #331 one more time!
References: <200011271111.MAA04284@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002101c058a6$245c0640$1deeffcc@default>

A different subject.
I'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
what am, after all. I'd hate to think that even in Europe a piece of crap
like WIZARD is easier to locate.
Anyway, my very (very) longtime friend Jim Vadeboncoeur, my choice for the
world's foremost authority on comic artists and magazine illustrators, sent
me an e-mail asking permission to put my text from that TCJ issue onto his
website where he has just added a Carl Barks entry into his database of
history's greatest illustrators. I don't suggest that my piece is the only
one from TCJ that's worth reading, or that it *is* worth reading, but it's
the only thing in that issue I can help direct interested parties toward.
You can see it on his website http://www.bpib.com/illustra.htm ... and
while you're there, read all you want about all the other great cartoonists
and magazine illustrators! The people at TCJ would never have the time to
offer reports on all of these masters, and the people at WIZARD have never
heard of any of them.



From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Mon Nov 27 23:00:17 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:00:17 +0100
Subject: Idea for a Barks quiz: huskies
Message-ID: <20001127215412.02E037C04@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>


From agridiot at spidernet.net  Tue Nov 28 08:50:16 2000
From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:50:16 -0800
Subject: Money Bin
References: <a05010400b6485fef4638@popmail.libero.it>
Message-ID: <003c01c0590f$dab2b420$c9929ac2@8944cjn72961>

From: Blasco Pisapia

> We all know that what Scrooge stores in his Bin is not mere money,
> but memories.
> What if he had designed in there sort of a scenography, portraying
> the places he loved best, such as The Blackjack Ballroom, McDuck
> Castle, and so on.

Yes good idea. But also that is also with trophey room. When he see golden
fleecing he thinks golden fleecing and so on... But with some stories he
can.

I have also a question
The Goose egg, deed and hairs of Goldie in the story "His Magesty McDuck" we
see them in a box. But in other stories the Goose egg we see it in the
trophey room without a box. Maybe this story is before others. But what
happened with the hairs and the deed?
Best Wishes!



From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Nov 27 22:49:57 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:49:57 -0500
Subject: digest #332
References: <200011272058.VAA03174@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <001501c058bc$10555e60$3aecffcc@default>

From: "Santiago Garcia Banhos"
>>>Don:
I think you should add rooms to show how Scrooge is mean. For example, he
could have a huge room oriented to RECICLYNG all the papers, pencils' chip,
and so, used in his office.

Believe it or not, I already have that in my plans (suggested by Duckfan
extrodinaire Elli Kotovirta, the Finnish-girl-with-braids who is
responsible for me doing that Kalevala story).

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>That'll be nice of you :-) Nobody will be displeased then!

Hahahahahaha!!! You should be me for a day! One thing I've learned is that
no matter WHAT you do, you won't please the people who are determined to
not be pleased. That's life...

>>>But I'm confused
with the number of floors the Bin have. Is it 2-3 or 10-12 or more?

Well, I wasn't gonna criticize the plans you sketched, but I was sorta
shocked to see only 3 floors! You thought the Bin might be only about 30
feet tall? How could that hold 100 ft. of cash? There's more than 30 ft.
just *above* the money level.
And, as I calculate there is about 30 ft. above the 100 ft. of money, my
plans call for either 12 or 13 stories. And I already have enough stuff to
fill almost all those. Yes, several floors are just vast seas of office
workers or files or such. (Be forewarned: my Bin plans will be interesting,
but NOT very exciting!)

From: Blasco Pisapia
>>>To DON ROSA:
Concerning the Bin's dimensions, we have two conflicting evidences:
           1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should
measure
              about 120 feet in height;
           2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;
  Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then
the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.
You seem to have chosen the evidence of the depth gauge, ignoring the
other fact. Is it so? Or is there a way to respect both statements?

Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so clearly,
I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the Bin have
always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story structure. If
anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
lemmee know.

>>>What if he had designed in there sort of a scenography, portraying
the places he loved best, such as The Blackjack Ballroom, McDuck
Castle, and so on.

In his bedroom is one particular little "shrine" with an eternal flame. But
wait... you'll see.

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
(according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
20th floor!".

Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)

>>>Island in the Sky: On page 1, panel 1, we can see a door to the roof.
It's
in the middle of the roof.

Got it. I've always drawn it that way.

>>>The Money Champ (US 27): On page 4, panels 7 & 8, and on page 5, panel
1, we
can see a Diamond's fountain and a skier's racetrack (but I'm sure that the
Bin doesn't have a fountain and a racetrack!)

Right!

>>>The Mines of King Solomon (US 19): On page 1, panels 1,2 and 4, we can
see
an "Army" of employees. So, the Bin must have a lot of offices

Nope. $crooge does it in 1902 style. Single room floors with seas of desks.

>>>Microducks from Outer Space (US 65): There is a small safe with samples
from
Scrooge's plantations (page 7, panel 3).

Safes are like furniture, not structural elements.





From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Nov 28 13:38:53 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:38:53 +0100
Subject: Empty emails
Message-ID: <20001128122837.18C9E7C2B@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

PAOLO C, 26-11-2000:

> Sorry again, but this is what I get since a week. No changes made
> in my computer, but the messages are not readable anymore.

ROB AND NANCY MCCALLUM, 27-11-2000:

> Last five digests have not included the actual messages.  What's
> happening? I'm using a Mac platform.

Strange, because the messages you sent to the mailing list do have the
message included.

Just a test: You should recieve this email twice. One through the
mailing list and a "carbon copy" which goes to you directly.

If the "carbon copy" also doesn't have the message included, then
the problem must be at Hotmail.com and/or your browser configuration. 
Er... but in that case you won't be able to read this at all, neither!

Is there a technician in the audience?


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From fstajano at uk.research.att.com  Tue Nov 28 14:18:31 2000
From: fstajano at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:18:31 +0000
Subject: cubic acres
In-Reply-To: <a05010400b6485fef4638@popmail.libero.it>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128131147.02e58c70@localhost>

At 2000-11-27 20:48 +0100, Blasco Pisapia wrote:
>  Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then the 
> Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.

Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then the 
Bin would be 6-dimensional.

"Cubic acres" is funny because it's absurd, like the centrifugilillions, 
and it can't be converted to a volume -- although I'm sure there will be 
non-mathematicians ready to argue that a cubic acre is the volume of a cube 
whose side has a surface of one acre.

  Frank (filologo disneyano)  http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/



From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Nov 28 14:39:01 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:39:01 +0100
Subject: Parrot sketches and other hidden/lost Barks treasures #1
Message-ID: <20001128132841.3012E7C22@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

KLAUS HARMS to me, 25-11-2000:

Note: Parrot sketch not included. :-)

About your reference to this Monty Python sketch: there also is a
sketch in which John Cleese has a trap in front of his desk, just
like Uncle Scrooge. And, also like Uncle Scrooge, Cleese uses it to
get rid of a person asking for money (charity). 

I don't know the title of the episode in which this sketch appeared. 

Could it be possible that this sketch was inspired on Uncle Scrooge?
Besides the trap, John Cleese's dialogue has a lot of resemblances
with Uncle Scrooge's reasoning. Monty Python animator Terry Gilliam
came from the USA, so maybe it's possible? 

But, even if there's no intended connection at all, this sketch
is a must-see for every Uncle Scrooge fan.


Best wishes,

--- Daniel

viking:   "This is my only line."
director: "Scrapped!"
viking:   "But it's my only line!"

(Another Monty Python sketch, from memory.)


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Nov 28 15:40:57 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:40:57 +0100
Subject: Parrot sketches and other hidden/lost Barks treasures #2
Message-ID: <20001128143039.ED1467C96@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

KLAUS HARMS to me, 25-11-2000:

>> Could "talking parrot" (OS356) be a Barks-gag?
>> "http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg" 
>> [SNIP] are there noticeable differences with the other
>> two gags in the issue, which were also drawn by Frank
>> McSavage?

> It would be fine to see these two, also. Anyone has scans
> of these?

There's another such instance: Barks also made a one page gag for
Donald Duck One Shot 348.

(In his book, Michael Barrier again lists this entry as both "one-page
gag" and "one-page gag idea". I guess he means the latter?) 

There are more of such gags mentioned in Barrier, but some don't
contain any clue in which comic they should/would have appeared.
Others contain the description "to be used as needed" or "for future
use". Interestingly, besides Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge gags,
there also is a Bugs Bunny gag "for future use" among them.

Others do contain a description, but again no issue directions.
For example, a one page gag idea described as "gets picture taken"
(submitted on February 6, 1953) and a one page gag idea for 
Donald Duck described as "tennis match" (October 15, 1953).

Maybe these gags can be found by searching through the comics of
that period, looking for gags which may match the description. 

Barrier also lists covers, like an art only cover for Boys' and
Girls' March of Comics, submitted on February 21, 1952, described
as "duck plays water piccolo".

BTW. If there's enough interest for this Barks treasure hunting,
then I will list all Barks' unpublished/unidentified work in one
of my future contributions.

>> [Parrot gag] Below are some points of which I think that they
>> may have some resemblances with Barks' style. 
>> * Though the dialogue ("Say: "Polly wants a cracker!"") in the
>> first six panels keeps the same, there's an interesting detailed
>> usage of bold lettering which illustrates Donald getting more and
>> more desperate in his attempts to make the parrot talk.

> I think that monotonous repetition of a single phrase is uncommon
> in Barks' work, though the increase of intensity looks very typical
> to me.

The Uncle Scrooge parrot gag of US 61 also contains the repetition of
the same line (six times in four panels), which is "Scrooge is a nice
fellow!". In this case, without bold lettering. (Since in this case
the parrot *does* respond, there's no need for it, though.)

> (BTW: That is what made me attribute the gag page to Barks as its
> likeliest author in an article I wrote for "Der Donaldist" 89  some
> time ago).

Did you research other unpublished/unidentified Barks work as well? 
If so, did you find other work which possibly is done by Barks?

>> * Donald's comment "Oh, go fall in a lake, you blankety-blank,
>>   stupid BONEHEAD!"

> The "Bonehead" attribute is used in a later-on Barks comic, by a
> nephew in WDC 132. Strong hint on Barks as author. 

I think I remember that Barks also used "bonehead" in an Our Gang
story with Barney Bear and Benny Burro. In addition, the Yellowstone
story of Our Gang No. 24 contains a reference to Daniel Boone. 

In script-only story "The Day the Mountain Shook" (JW 13), Barks
used "beanhead" as a low (or the lowest) Junior Woodchuck rank.

>> * The backlight in panel 4. (Donald and the parrot being shown as
>>   silhouettes, because of the light coming through the window.)

> Frank McSavage is very familiar with silhouette and shading
> techniques; please look at "The Crocodile Collector", "Seeing
> Things" (both DDOS 348), and "Rags to Riches" (DDOS 356), 
> respectively, for reference.

I wish I could, but I don't have these issues.

Is there somebody who can scan the gags of One Shots 348 and 356?
Preferably in at least the same size as
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_os0356-05u.jpg"?


Best wishes,

--- Daniel

"Donald is deliberately swimming away from us!"


From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Nov 28 15:30:23 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:30:23 -0500
Subject: digest #333: missing messages?
References: <200011281425.PAA11775@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002b01c05947$bfd17820$2aeeffcc@default>

Hm! Two of the messages I sent yesterday were skipped over and not in that
last Digest! That's odd. I'll post them again:
--------------------------------------------------
A different subject.
I'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
what am, after all. I'd hate to think that even in Europe a piece of crap
like WIZARD is easier to locate.
Anyway, my very (very) longtime friend Jim Vadeboncoeur, my choice for the
world's foremost authority on comic artists and magazine illustrators, sent
me an e-mail asking permission to put my text from that TCJ issue onto his
website where he has just added a Carl Barks entry into his database of
history's greatest illustrators. I don't suggest that my piece is the only
one from TCJ that's worth reading, or that it *is* worth reading, but it's
the only thing in that issue I can help direct interested parties toward.
You can see it on his website http://www.bpib.com/illustra.htm ... and
while you're there, read all you want about all the other great cartoonists
and magazine illustrators! The people at TCJ would never have the time to
offer reports on all of these masters, and the people at WIZARD have never
heard of any of them.
_____________________________________
From: "Santiago Garcia Banhos"
>>>Don:
I think you should add rooms to show how Scrooge is mean. For example, he
could have a huge room oriented to RECICLYNG all the papers, pencils' chip,
and so, used in his office.

Believe it or not, I already have that in my plans (suggested by Duckfan
extrodinaire Elli Kotovirta, the Finnish-girl-with-braids who is
responsible for me doing that Kalevala story).

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>That'll be nice of you :-) Nobody will be displeased then!

Hahahahahaha!!! You should be me for a day! One thing I've learned is that
no matter WHAT you do, you won't please the people who are determined to
not be pleased. That's life...

>>>But I'm confused
with the number of floors the Bin have. Is it 2-3 or 10-12 or more?

Well, I wasn't gonna criticize the plans you sketched, but I was sorta
shocked to see only 3 floors! You thought the Bin might be only about 30
feet tall? How could that hold 100 ft. of cash? There's more than 30 ft.
just *above* the money level.
And, as I calculate there is about 30 ft. above the 100 ft. of money, my
plans call for either 12 or 13 stories. And I already have enough stuff to
fill almost all those. Yes, several floors are just vast seas of office
workers or files or such. (Be forewarned: my Bin plans will be interesting,
but NOT very exciting!)

From: Blasco Pisapia
>>>To DON ROSA:
Concerning the Bin's dimensions, we have two conflicting evidences:
           1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should
measure
              about 120 feet in height;
           2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;
  Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then
the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.
You seem to have chosen the evidence of the depth gauge, ignoring the
other fact. Is it so? Or is there a way to respect both statements?

Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so clearly,
I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the Bin have
always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story structure. If
anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
lemmee know.

>>>What if he had designed in there sort of a scenography, portraying
the places he loved best, such as The Blackjack Ballroom, McDuck
Castle, and so on.

In his bedroom is one particular little "shrine" with an eternal flame. But
wait... you'll see.

From: "Apostolis Trikourakis"
>>>The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
(according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
20th floor!".

Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)

>>>Island in the Sky: On page 1, panel 1, we can see a door to the roof.
It's
in the middle of the roof.

Got it. I've always drawn it that way.

>>>The Money Champ (US 27): On page 4, panels 7 & 8, and on page 5, panel
1, we
can see a Diamond's fountain and a skier's racetrack (but I'm sure that the
Bin doesn't have a fountain and a racetrack!)

Right!

>>>The Mines of King Solomon (US 19): On page 1, panels 1,2 and 4, we can
see
an "Army" of employees. So, the Bin must have a lot of offices

Nope. $crooge does it in 1902 style. Single room floors with seas of desks.

>>>Microducks from Outer Space (US 65): There is a small safe with samples
from
Scrooge's plantations (page 7, panel 3).

Safes are like furniture, not structural elements.





From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Nov 28 15:36:27 2000
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:36:27 -0500
Subject: Digest #333
References: <200011281425.PAA11775@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <003301c05948$98cf1740$2aeeffcc@default>

> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vic=20Pratt?=
> There's plenty of unnecessary, dull complication in
> superhero comics...one of the reasons why I like
> Barks' ducks is because he didn't worry about stuff
> like that.
>
> VIC

Then please be sure *not* to look at my Money Bin plans when they are
published all over everywhere. I don't want to make anyone unhappy. And
there are so MANY more stories in these comics than my paltry
contributions, there's no earthly reason why anyone has to read my few
stories if they don't want to. I can be so easily ignored while I have my
gay little time.




From sko at acoustics.dk  Tue Nov 28 15:42:34 2000
From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:42:34 +0100
Subject: cubic acres
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128131147.02e58c70@localhost>
Message-ID: <3A23C45A.2060005@acoustics.dk>

FRANK:

>>  Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then 
>> the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.

I don't understand that calculation, Frank, but it may be because I am a...

> non-mathematicians ready to argue that a cubic acre is the volume of a 
> cube whose side has a surface of one acre.

1 acre = 4047 m2, hence the hight of three acres must be the square root 

of 3 times 4047 m2 if we assume the bin to be a true cube. This gives 

us 110 meters--certainly a high building--more than 30 floors or so.

BTW, in Danish "acre" translates to "mark" which translates back again 
to "field".

Anyway, I complety agree with Vic. All these considerations are more or 
less meaningless. Who cares if there are one or two doors from the 
office to some library. Perhaps a certain splash panel would have looked 
empty without two doors, so Barks put them there. He probably hadn't 
imagined that years later someone would go and ckeck if those two doors 
were consistantly used in all his other stories. The very same goes for 
the butler situation etc. etc.

S?ren
(who don't want to know exactly what the money bin contains...never! :-)



From fstajano at uk.research.att.com  Tue Nov 28 17:22:13 2000
From: fstajano at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:22:13 +0000
Subject: cubic acres
In-Reply-To: <3A23C45A.2060005@acoustics.dk>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128131147.02e58c70@localhost>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128160653.02eea140@localhost>

At 2000-11-28 15:42 +0100, S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote:
>I don't understand that calculation, Frank, but it may be because I am a...
>
>>non-mathematicians ready to argue that a cubic acre is the volume of a 
>>cube whose side has a surface of one acre.
>
>1 acre = 4047 m2, hence the hight of three acres must be the square root
>of 3 times 4047 m2 if we assume the bin to be a true cube. This gives
>us 110 meters--certainly a high building--more than 30 floors or so.

I refuse to perform any arithmetic on barbarian non-SI units such as 
"acres" and "feet" so I'm not going to recheck the accuracy or lack thereof 
of your mantissae, but I believe that the source of the trouble may be the 
confusion between the following two interpretations of "three cubic acres":

(1, perverse): three times one cubic acre, so a volume equal to three times 
the volume of a cube whose side has a surface of one acre.

(2, even more perverse): a volume equal to that of a cube whose side has a 
surface of three acres.

Both violate basic mathematics insofar as they consider the cube of a 
surface to be a volume, but the second adds the extra evilness of applying 
the "cube" to the value instead of just the unit. (Is this bad? Yes. A room 
of 18 square metres is not a square room of size 18 metres by 18 metres. 
Those who believe otherwise will be unpleasantly surprised when they 
attempt to buy a house.)


>Anyway, I complety agree with Vic. All these considerations are more or 
>less meaningless. Who cares if there are one or two doors from the office 
>to some library. Perhaps a certain splash panel would have looked empty 
>without two doors, so Barks put them there. He probably hadn't imagined 
>that years later someone would go and ckeck if those two doors were 
>consistantly used in all his other stories. The very same goes for the 
>butler situation etc. etc.

I, too, agree with this. To enforce and reconstruct this continuity is the 
hallmark of Don's _libido colligandi_, which is one of the most interesting 
aspects of his style -- but is certainly *not* something that Barks himself 
did. This does not make Don's stories any less enjoyable for me, though -- 
in fact I enjoy them even more, as his own creations that nobody else could 
have crafted with such a meticulous and loving attention to detail. I wish 
I'd written all that book stuff in English in the first place -- there's 
nothing more boring than translating your own writings, so I'll probably 
never get round to doing it.

  Frank (filologo disneyano)  http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/



From delamothe at swipnet.se  Tue Nov 28 17:11:06 2000
From: delamothe at swipnet.se (Martin Berglund)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:11:06 +0100
Subject: Bring in the pantomime horses!
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20001128165050.009dd090@yster.swip.net>

Daniel:
 >I don't know the title of the episode in which this sketch appeared.
 >Could it be possible that this sketch was inspired on Uncle Scrooge?

That sketch is called "Merchant Banker" and it's the fourth sketch in the 
fourth episode of the third series of Flying Circus.

You're right, that sketch is *very* Scrooge-like.

As for american-chap Gilliam, I doubt he was very involved with writing 
those sketches, although that might be where the inspiration came from. He 
seems to be associated with comics (he was actually interviewed in The 
Comics Journal: check http://www.tcj.com/2_archives/interviews.html)
I know very little else about this so I'll end by quoting a Scrooge-like 
snippet from that sketch:

-----
City Gent: No? Well, I'm awfully sorry I don't understand. Can you just 
explain exactly what you want.

Mr Ford: Well, I want you to give me a pound, and then I go away and give 
it to the orphans.

City Gent: Yes?

Mr Ford: Well, that's it.

City Gent: No, no, no, I don't follow this at all, I mean, I don't want to 
seem stupid but it looks to me as though I'm a pound down on the whole deal.
-----


Martin Berglund
Malmo, Sweden




From thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov 28 17:51:18 2000
From: thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vic=20Pratt?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:51:18 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Money Bin
Message-ID: <20001128165118.58340.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com>

Don't get me wrong, Don, I like your stories very much
(or at least I did while they were still being printed
in English). But I must confess that it was the
stories and characters that interested me, not the
height of the walls of the Money Bin. I don't seem to
be able to appreciate that angle, somehow. But, all
the best for your plans, anyway.

VIC

 


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From nils at math.uio.no  Tue Nov 28 17:49:45 2000
From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:49:45 +0100
Subject: three cubic acres 
Message-ID: <200011281649.RAA28423@janus.uio.no>

There have been various contributions recently concerning the 
architecture of Scrooge's bin. Some excerpts are 
<<Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then 
  the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.>>
<<I don't understand that calculation, Frank, but it may be 
  because I am a...>>
<<non-mathematicians ready to argue that a cubic acre is the volume of a 
  cube whose side has a surface of one acre. >>
<<1 acre = 4047 m2, hence the hight of three acres must be the square root 
  of 3 times 4047 m2 if we assume the bin to be a true cube. This gives 
  us 110 meters--certainly a high building--more than 30 floors or so.>>

I've always liked this flamboyant noncongruent logicdefying
Goedelian turn of phrase of Barks to describe the volume content 
of Scrooge's money bin. It also translates well into various Scandinavian 
languages, as "tre kubikkm?l" and the like. In addition to having 
the right roll-off-the-tongue magical pseudorealism quality to it, 
it carries with it a perhaps involuntary trace of the extraterrestial 
whereabouts of Duckburg. It indicates that the Ducks live in a 
six-dimensional universe (since a cubed area by necessity is in 
a linearly affine relation to Lebesgue measure on the completed 
by subsets of nullsets sigma-algebra of the Borel sets of a measurable 
subset of the Euclidean six-dimensional space). It is from this magical 
universe, which partly exists inside us, partly outside and partly 
between us, that we somehow are able to retrieve reports in two- and 
three-dimensional forms, from which we have to learn, invent, guess, 
understand, expand and dream, about Duckburg and its inhabitants, 
and about ourselves. 

Nils Lid Hjort 


From sko at acoustics.dk  Tue Nov 28 18:05:09 2000
From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:05:09 +0100
Subject: cubic acres
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128131147.02e58c70@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20001128160653.02eea140@localhost>
Message-ID: <3A23E5C5.3080104@acoustics.dk>

FRANK:

>> 1 acre = 4047 m2, hence the hight of three acres must be the square root
>> of 3 times 4047 m2 if we assume the bin to be a true cube. This gives
>> us 110 meters--certainly a high building--more than 30 floors or so.

> (1, perverse): three times one cubic acre, so a volume equal to three 
> times the volume of a cube whose side has a surface of one acre.

This is in fact the right one IMO, so I made a mistake. Here we go:

1 cubic acre = square root of 4047 m2 to the power of 3 = 257454 m3

3 cubic acres = 3 times 257454 m3 = 772362 m3

Now, to get the height we'll have to take the cubical root of that value:

ca. 92 meters.

and the

 
> (2, even more perverse): a volume equal to that of a cube whose side has 
> a surface of three acres.

gave us 110 meters, so I guess (by taking the average of in this context 
known perversities) that the conclusion of this silly "investigation" is:

The height of Scrooge's money bin is approximately

100 m
=====

give or take a few! How do you like that for an engineer's thumb rule? :-)

S?ren




From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Nov 28 18:21:03 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:21:03 +0100
Subject: Barks' vouchers  (Parrot sketches and other hidden/lost Barks treasures #3)
Message-ID: <20001128171042.93B0C7C5D@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

KLAUS HARMS to me, 25-11-2000:

> It is very difficult to attribute authorship of a comic book story
> to a certain author, and it is almost impossible to do the same with
> a one page story consisting of few more than a gag.

If we give it a try, we might at least find the most likely candidates.
For example, in case of the "tennis match" gag (mentioned in my previous
email), we can try to find all the gags which contain tennis. As it was
submitted on October 15, 1953, it should most likely be somewhere in a
1950s comic, published in or after 1954. 

(Such an investigation has been on my "to do" list for a long time,
as well as finishing a project which attempts to find the cuts in
Barks' stories which were shortened by the editors.)

> If there is some certainty that one of the cover gags IS written
> by Barks (and Barrier's bibliography usually is very accurate, and
> the printing scedules of Western Publishing usually matches with
> Barks' records at that time), then the parrot sketch would be the
> likeliest candidate (though I haven't seen the other ones).

Barrier indeed is very accurate, but since Barks' vouchers were not
nescessarily intended to be used for historical research, but 
apparently mostly to keep track of his payment administration,
some answers are not instantly given. In some instances, the 
vouchers even raise *questions*. For example: 

- The cover for WDC 140 is listed on two dates. Barrier does not
  know if the first date refers to the cover idea, or to some
  unlisted cover-dates from that time.

- Some art-only stories contained unlisted heavy rewritting, for
  example "Delivery Dilemma" (WDC 291) about which the CBL says
  that it almost is a story done by Barks himself.

  In other instances, the additional credits seem to heavily
  depend on Barks' additional notes, like "Got this story idea
  from my daughter" under "The Wax Museum" (WDC 231).

  Barks made notes in about 1969, in his voucher-based list 
  for Michael Barrier, but I have no idea if he did that from
  memory or by using (for example) additional notes on the
  vouchers.

- According to the vouchers, "King Scrooge the First" was a
  24-page story instead of 21 pages as published, about which
  Barks wrote to Barrier that this was a mystery to him as well.

As Barks' vouchers apparently never have been publicly shown, it is
unknown (at least to me) if they contain additional information and
clues which remain unseen or unnoticed.

For example, maybe there could have been instances in which Barks
was paid a different amount to correct an earlier payment, like 
unspecified additional work for which he still wasn't paid?

Since Barks is a legend, with historical importance, I hope that
one day his vouchers will be reproduced either in a book or for
research reference in (for example) a Barks museum / archive. 


Best wishes,

--- Daniel




From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Nov 28 18:29:18 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:29:18 +0100
Subject: Michael Barrier, some questions
Message-ID: <20001128171927.8F1FE7C80@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

Are there any known typogracifal errors which became known after
the publication of Michael Barrier's book? On page 227, Barrier
encourages the reader to write him about errors or omissions in
the book (particularly in the bibliography). I find it hard to
imagine that this never happened.

I also would like to know if Barrier still welcomes additional
information or suggestions, because I would like to write him
about some of my ideas and possible discoveries on certain entries.
I've also recieved many emails with ideas and discoveries from
other Barks fans, which I also would like to forward to him.


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From timoro at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 28 18:29:56 2000
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:56 +0200
Subject: Money Bin, TCJ
Message-ID: <F245AQV6uPDVniSnRMW0000796c@hotmail.com>

>From: "Don Rosa" <donrosa at iglou.com>
>The building shown in "The Golden Fleecing" with 20
>stories is clearly NOT the Money Bin.

Well, it must be that "McDuck Building", skycraper that he owns. I guess US 
owns most of the buildings in Duckburg (?).

>I'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
>JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
>were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
>what am, after all.

I say this once more to all Finns here: You MIGHT get your copy of TCJ from 
Good Fellows Comics Store in Helsinki. (at the moment TCJ#227 seems to be 
out of stock). I wonder if this is the only place in Finland to get this 
mag...(?) It´s sad. It truly is really good mag.
http://www.goodfellows.fi/


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From fstajano at uk.research.att.com  Tue Nov 28 18:56:48 2000
From: fstajano at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:56:48 +0000
Subject: Michael Barrier, some questions
In-Reply-To: <20001128171927.8F1FE7C80@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128175432.03065e20@localhost>

At 2000-11-28 18:29 +0100, Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
>I also would like to know if Barrier still welcomes additional
>information or suggestions, because I would like to write him
>about some of my ideas and possible discoveries on certain entries.

It would be great if this were the excuse for a reprint, if not a new 
edition, of that fine book. It's damn hard to find (I have it in photocopy) 
and, as the most significant source of first-hand information on Barks, it 
hasn't been replaced by anything comparable.

  Frank (filologo disneyano)  http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/



From YMH at aol.com  Tue Nov 28 18:40:00 2000
From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:40:00 EST
Subject: Money Bin height
Message-ID: <a3.e8bcd44.275547f0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/28/00 10:28:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:


> Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so clearly,
> I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the Bin have
> always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story structure. If
> anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
> 

Well, here's the thing (and while I don't really have evidence to support 
this, I don't think I've seen anything that contradicts it either...)

The way I've always imagined the Money Bin is with Scrooge's office on the 
entry-level first floor, with the office leading in to the vault, most of 
which (other than its upper-most story) is UNDERGROUND. Everything above the 
first floor is offices and other random rooms.

Here's a kind of ASCII Picture. (It will only make sense if you mail viewer 
uses a mono-space font; try copying it into Windows Notepad if you don't see 
it right.)

 -------------------------
|                         |
| Offices and such        |
|                         |
|                         |
|                         |
|                         |
|                         |
|                         |
|-------------------------|
| Vault          | Office |
----------------------------Ground level
| Vault          |
|                |
|                |
|                |
|                |
|                |
|                |
|                |
|                |
------------------

-Yossi Horowitz

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From komix43 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 28 19:31:08 2000
From: komix43 at hotmail.com (Apostolis Trikourakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:31:08 +0200
Subject: Bin's Rooms
Message-ID: <OE74Mi90j5vITYCcoDA00002bab@hotmail.com>

Don Rosa:

>>>Believe it or not, I already have that in my plans (suggested by Duckfan
>>>extrodinaire Elli Kotovirta, the Finnish-girl-with-braids who is
>>>responsible for me doing that Kalevala story).

Really? The recycling room is a terrific idea. But where will you put it? In
which floor, I mean??

>>>Hahahahahaha!!! You should be me for a day! One thing I've learned is
that
>>>no matter WHAT you do, you won't please the people who are determined to
>>>not be pleased. That's life...

Well, I'm sure you trying to... and I'd like to be you for a day! :-). And
yes: That's Life!

>>>Well, I wasn't gonna criticize the plans you sketched, but I was sorta
>>>shocked to see only 3 floors! You thought the Bin might be only about 30
>>>feet tall? How could that hold 100 ft. of cash? There's more than 30 ft.
>>>just *above* the money level.

Well, I stopped sketching the plans, because of this problem. But what on
earth, I can't sketch 10 floors! I don't know what to put there, I don't
want to sketch empty floors and I don't know where to put each one room.

>>>Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
>>>ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)

So, are we having 20 floors now? Gosh, the Bin is near Akropolis' height!
I'm happy the Bin is in Duckburg :-)

>>>Nope. $crooge does it in 1902 style. Single room floors with seas of
desks.

But you said there are many floors with offices. So, there must be many
employees working there.

>>>Safes are like furniture, not structural elements.

I understand

>>>Oho!  No problemo. The building shown in "The Golden Fleecing" with 20
>>>stories is clearly NOT the Money Bin.

I check that story again and I think you're right. The building doesn't
seems to be like the usual Bin.

Soren Krarup Olesen:

>>>The height of Scrooge's money bin is approximately

>>>100 m

Wow! Then I was right before: The Bin is a really big building!

Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
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From bi442 at lafn.org  Tue Nov 28 23:09:14 2000
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:09:14 -0800
Subject: Money Bins/McDuck Building
Message-ID: <200011282206.eASM6nO31792@zoon.lafn.org>

With regard to Timo's comment on Scrooge's building that is not "the Money
Bin":  It is clear (based on Barks' drawings of clearly different edifices
in different locations) that Scrooge McDuck had several different large
self-standing "Money Bins" in Duckburg. Some were on Killmotor Hill, some
on flat land, some by the Duckburg River.  He may have had more than one
(or even several at the same time).  In addition, Barks drew several office
buildings owned by Scrooge (in DDOS and Christmas parades and US 1and
several later US ("Golden River", etc.) that included giant built-in safes
or money "bins".  It is clear by Barks' drawing that he owned several such
buildings (known as "The McDuck Building" ("Built with your money")).   If
we use Don Rosa's timeline for Scrooge's return to the Duck Family in 1947,
 he didn't have the "classical "Money Bin" until mid-late 1951 (depending
upon whether one uses the date of Barks' finished inks, or publication.  I
am referring to WDC &S 135, in which Scrooge invites Donald & HDL to view
his new "Money Bin" for the first time.  The Boys are the same size and
very close in age to all other Barks pictures of them.  That means that the
entire period of his stories must have taken place over a few years.  Given
that, Scrooge must have had his money stored in one, or several "McDuck
Buildings" from 1947 most of 1951.  Then, he moved most of his money to his
new cubic "safelike" Money Bin on Killmotor Hill.  Through the years, with
his new earnings piling up, he added new money bins (or changed its
location).

Therefore, shouldn't we be describing the plot plans and making blue prints
and elevations of SEVERAL different money bins (and also McDuck Buildings
(with office descriptions))???

Rob Klein


   


From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr  Tue Nov 28 23:36:17 2000
From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Fran=E7ois?= Willot)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:36:17 +0100
Subject: Michael Barrier, some questions
References: <20001128171927.8F1FE7C80@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>
Message-ID: <001301c0598b$9ffc1d40$7c031eac@vinci.eclille.fr>

From: Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
> Are there any known typogracifal errors which became known after
> the publication of Michael Barrier's book?

There are I believe very very few mistakes in this book. But I remember that
Barrier wrote that "Donald Tames his Temper" (the WDC ten-pager story) was
the first Barks story to feature Daisy. This is in fact "The Mighty Trapper"
when Daisy makes a cameo appearance.
Apart from that I can't name even one other tiny error!

   Francois




From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Wed Nov 29 05:20:10 2000
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:20:10 -0300
Subject: Temple of Zoroaster
Message-ID: <000201c059c0$06a5dca0$35e329c8@default>

Hi evr'ybody!!!
                        I am really enjoying all the recent messages...
Thanks all for make the life a bit better!!!

Now, a question about a $crooge comic I always remember... Maybe is very
obvious for all of you, but I can't find which is...

I remember the desert, and vessels with wheels and a long stick in the
forward, fixed to find the invisible temple of Zoroaster (or Zarathustra)...

Can you help me to identify this adventure? I would like read it again...

Thanks!
Fabio Blanco
(from Argentina, the country where the Andes are, you know...)
**************************
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar




From starback at ling.uu.se  Wed Nov 29 13:07:51 2000
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:07:51 +0100
Subject: ADMIN: list and web will be down
Message-ID: <200011291207.NAA16759@numerus.ling.uu.se>

Hi all!  This is your usually-so-quiet list administrator writing.

I just want to tell you that this list and the associated web pages at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/> will be down for the larger
part of the next weekend, starting Friday evening GMT.  (I have to do
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From oyvind at karstad.no  Mon Nov 27 22:36:57 2000
From: oyvind at karstad.no (Oyvind J. Karstad)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:36:57 +0100
Subject: The Money Bin
Message-ID: <000901c058ba$369d1740$b8a57dd4@s3q9o2>

On the first page of the Barks story Hause of Haunts (US 63) 
we can see the empty money bin.
In the fourth panel we can see that there are doors 
on the inside of the vault, leading to different floors.
It's difficult to see if these doors are leading to the front of the bin.
Scrooge is sending his money out of a window on the other side of the vault,
and if he's sending them out on the backside of the bin, 
then the doors are on the front,
probably leading to some offices or other rooms.
One detail that is confusing is that the tall depth measure 
is standing beside the window where Scrooge sends his money away, 
while it usually is placed near the entrance of the vault.

On page 4 and 5 of the same story we get proof that there 
are no rooms outside of the vault at least on one side of the bin. 
The Beagle Boys melt a big hole in the wall, 
and then look straight into the empty vault. 
This seems to be the right side of the bin, if you stand in front of it.

Oyvind J. Karstad



From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com  Thu Nov 30 00:30:51 2000
From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (Rodney w bowcock jr.)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:30:51 -0500
Subject: Barks a fan of Jack Benny?
Message-ID: <20001129.183537.-90963.2.rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com>

Does anyone know if Carl Barks was a fan of the Jack Benny radio program?
 Like Scrooge, Jack Benny was a very cheap character (someone once said
that they saw him squeeze a nickel so hard that when he opened his hand
there was only a needle....) and (very similar to the money bin) kept his
life savings in a vault in his basement that was guarded by a polar bear
(named Charmichael).  Just an interesting similarity I thought of long
ago, but just recently thought to ask someone else.


Rodney 

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From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Thu Nov 30 03:53:43 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:53:43 +0100
Subject: Money perfume / "My" first story
Message-ID: <20001130024818.F36DA7C2B@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

PAOLO CASTAGNO to me, 27-11-2000:

Thanks for your information on Scarpa's money perfume story.
I'm surprised that it has never been printed by Gladstone, even
though they do mention it in US 242. Could there have been a
reason for that?

> ...and congratulations for your firts story!!

Thanks! It's not really mine, though. It's a script-only Huey, Dewey
and Louie 4 pager, roughly based on a text-script by me.

My version was a Donald story and didn't contain the nephews. Frank
gave (most of) Donald's role to the nephews, while giving Donald a
new (minor) role.

I sent some plot-only ideas to Frank. I was wondering if I would
bother him with such submissions, which became the basic idea for
this story.


Best wishes,

--- Daniel

"Oh, goodneth! Ith that all the higher you can fly a kite?
Dearie me! You mutht not know much about it!"


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Thu Nov 30 04:58:25 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:58:25 +0100
Subject: Monty Python's Scrooge-like merchant banker
Message-ID: <20001130034802.263297C23@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

MARTIN BERGLUND, 28-11-2000:

Thanks for your information on Terry Gilliam.

> You're right, that sketch is *very* Scrooge-like.

I've done some searching and found a transcription (or script?)
of the Merchant Banker sketch at: 
"http://www.montypython.net/scripts/merchant.php3"


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


Inspector: "And what is this one: Spring Surprise?"

Mr. Hilton: "Ah, that's one of our specialities. Covered in dark,
velvety chocolate, when you pop it into your mouth, stainless steel
bolts spring out and plunge straight through both cheeks."

(http://www.montypython.net/sounds/sketches/springsu.wav)



From YMH at aol.com  Thu Nov 30 07:46:56 2000
From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:46:56 EST
Subject: Donald Duck Goin' Quackers
Message-ID: <d3.d37ab12.275751e0@aol.com>

A few months back, I posted a message about an upcoming Donald Duck video 
game, many elements and characters of which seem to be taken from the Duck 
comic universe (which is, I hope, given the respect it deserves). I was asked 
whether there would be a PC version of this game available as well, and as it 
turns out, the answer is yes! Not only that, but it's only $20! (The typical 
new PC game costs about $40.) And it comes with a free gamepad!

You can get it here:

http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&
Section_Id=11881&Product_Id=81158

Naturally, this sounds way too good to be true. I emailed Disney to ask if a 
free demonstration version of the game was available... If it does, I'll give 
it a try and post here about what it's like. If anyone actually does purchase 
the thing, please do let me know if it's any good.

Thanks very much,
Yossi Horowitz
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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Tue Nov 28 19:55:26 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:55:26 +0100
Subject: Bin's Rooms
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEFA8@l04.research.kpn.com>

Akropolis Trikourakis 8-) :

DR> Nope. $crooge does it in 1902 style. Single room floors 
DR> with seas of desks.

> But you said there are many floors with offices. So, there 
> must be many employees working there.

That's what Don says. Many employees, all working in a few, big, rooms.
My employer calls that "office gardens", and pretends it's very modern.
Don calls it "1902 style". 8-)

--Harry.


From UNDBKB at aol.com  Tue Nov 28 21:27:53 2000
From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:27:53 EST
Subject: Bark's Comic Journal Magazine
Message-ID: <a8.d95d9ec.27556f49@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/28/2000 9:28:16 AM Central Standard Time, 
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

> I'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
>  JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
>  were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine

I have located some extra copies of this magazine.
It is fabulous!
The cover price is $5.95.
Shipping in the U.S. is $2.05 $8 total
Overseas $4.05 $10 total.
I will send no more than one copy per person.
and I only have a few extras to send to  those who want to e-mail me, and 
either send payment or e-mail me with credit card info.
Barry Branvold
UNDBKB at aol.com


From bi442 at lafn.org  Tue Nov 28 23:22:40 2000
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:22:40 -0800
Subject: Terry Gilliam a Barks fan
Message-ID: <200011282220.eASMKFO33517@zoon.lafn.org>

Regarding martin Berglund's idea that Terry Gilliam might have used memory
of Carl Barks work as inspiration for some Monty Python sketches:  I
believe it is not only very possible, but probable.  I saw a BBC interview
of Terry Gilliam several years ago in which he indicated that he was a "big
fan of Carl barks' work".  Given that, I think it is unrealistic to think
that Gilliam would not have had at least subconscious "inspiration" for
sketch ideas he shared with his Python colleagues in comedy writing bull
sessions.  It IS possible to trace which sketches were written by which
"team" (i.e. "Chapman/Cleese", Palin/Jones, etc.).  But even that might not
lead to the true origin of the idea or "inspiration".  I imagine Terry had
many many bits of "inspiration" from having read the Barks stories, lurking
in his subconscious.  Even the Python members might not remember in which
group discussion they might have gotten the germ of an idea for a sketch. 
It IS doubtful, though, that the other (British) members had grown up
knowing Barks.

Rob klein 


From bi442 at lafn.org  Tue Nov 28 23:42:53 2000
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:42:53 -0800
Subject: Parrot Gag vs. Barks
Message-ID: <200011282240.eASMeSO35792@zoon.lafn.org>

Regarding Daniel van Eijmeren's theory that Barks MAY have written the 1951
Parrot gag drawn by Frank McSavage:  When the information in the Western
Pub. payroll documents refers to "one page Donald Duck gag", that indicates
that barks submitted a rough sketch layout of a one-page gag.  He got payed
for the "writing" of that gag.  It was accepted for use, but not assigned
to a particular magazine.  Further, that gag may never have been used.  It
may have even been drawn up later by another artist (or Carl himself), and
still never published.  It may have also been drawn up later by Barks and
placed in a later comic book (as several of his 1-page DD & US gags drawn
in 1957-58 were finally printed in 1960, 1961 and 1962).  The gag itself
has the flavour of a Barks gag, but the intensity of Donalds changes in
emotion are weak.  Also, I am SURE Barks would not have used the EXACT same
dialogue in each of Donald's balloons.  If  I had been lucky enough to
receive a copy of Barks' sketches for the gag, I would have remained as
faithful to the staging and dialogue as possible.  If McSavage indeed,
received the originals, he did a masterful job of butchery ("McSavagery")
as did Tony Strobl and Kay Wright to Barks' later story sketches.  My
instinct tells me this is NOT a Barks script, or it is a well-changed
version.  I would be interested to see the other 2 gag pages in that issue
of Donald Duck.  Can anyone scan them and offer them on a site for the
DCML?

Rob Klein


From Ojerasmus at aol.com  Wed Nov 29 00:42:43 2000
From: Ojerasmus at aol.com (Ojerasmus@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:42:43 EST
Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #334 - 13 msgs
Message-ID: <25.e0b6308.27559cf3@aol.com>

In a message dated 28/11/00 15:28:16 GMT Standard Time, 
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

<< 'm getting the impression that hardly anyone is finding that COMICS
 JOURNAL from last month with the Barks tribute. Too bad -- I thought TCJs
 were easier to locate -- it's the best English-language comic-art magazine
 what am, after all. I'd hate to think that even in Europe a piece of crap
 like WIZARD is easier to locate. >>

I think that at least part of that was down to the appeal of that great wrap 
around Barks cover. I buy the Journal regularly and ended up trying a dozen 
stores for that issue only to find it sold out everywhere something that I've 
never come close to experiencing in the past. Here in the UK Barks isn't as 
well known as elsewhere but people certainly wanted to buy that issue of the 
Journal.

I did finally get a copy yesterday and thought it was extremely well done, 
the little strip by Lewis Trondheim (one of my favorite current artists) set 
the tone of the whole thing for me, it was sad reading even this late after 
the event but the memories of the stories cheered me up just as they did in 
the Trondheim story.

I really hope you can all find a copy eventually, I got the last one when I 
finally found it or I'd offer to pick up some more.

Owen Erasmus


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Thu Nov 30 18:03:55 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:03:55 +0100
Subject: Uncle Scrooge in the Junior Woodchucks
Message-ID: <20001130165340.3444A7CB6@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

DON ROSA, 27-11-2000:

> The reason I would ignore the stories that he only wrote (the "Junior
> Woodchuck" stories) is that Barks seemed to be doing stories about
> the JW's, and using $crooge as only a background character, and
> I don't really like the $crooge character that appears in some of
> those stories. He seems like a new character compared to the older
> stories.

In a December 11, 1969 letter to Michael Barrier, Barks commented on
Uncle Scrooge's role in the Junior Woodchuck story: 

"In the story I did in Sept.(?) ["Peril of the Black Forest", JW 6]
I used Uncle Scrooge as the villain. I'm doing the same in the
current story. Analyzing all the things you fans have written and
said I've included that you all liked him best when he was the menace
in the duck stories. When he became the hero, with his own book,
I had to be careful how bad I made him."

Maybe Carl Barks used Uncle Scrooge as he appeared in stories like
"Voodoo Hoodoo" (OS 238) and "A Christmas For Shacktown" (OS 367),
which were published before he became the main character in his
own comic?   


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From mrhode at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 30 17:10:13 2000
From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:10:13 
Subject: need Digest 336
Message-ID: <F131hMPYm3NAIBHgcdU0000a2d8@hotmail.com>

Sorry, but can someone send me directly Digest 336?

Thanks,

Mike
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From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Thu Nov 30 18:40:52 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:40:52 +0100
Subject: need Digest 336
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEFC8@l04.research.kpn.com>

> From: Michael Rhode [mailto:mrhode at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:10 PM

> Sorry, but can someone send me directly Digest 336?

I didn't get it either. I think noone did.
Probably Per will have it sent out later.

--Harry.


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Thu Nov 30 22:18:07 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:18:07 +0100
Subject: Terry Gilliam a Barks fan
Message-ID: <20001130210752.81AC37CE3@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

ROB KLEIN, Digest Vol 1 #337, 28-11-2000:

> Regarding martin Berglund's idea that Terry Gilliam might have used
> memory of Carl Barks work as inspiration for some Monty Python
> sketches:  I believe it is not only very possible, but probable.

Martin Berglund commented on an email in which I brought up the sketch
from memory, not knowing its title. Martin identified it. 

> I saw a BBC interview of Terry Gilliam several years ago in which he
> indicated that he was a "big fan of Carl barks' work".

Wow! Terry Gilliam mentioning Carl Barks! Does someone know more
information on this interview? 


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Thu Nov 30 22:55:33 2000
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:55:33 +0100
Subject: Parrot Gag vs. Barks
Message-ID: <20001130214551.3ED177CA1@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl>

ROB KLEIN, Digest Vol 1 #337, 28-11-2000:

> Regarding Daniel van Eijmeren's theory that Barks MAY have written
> the 1951 Parrot gag drawn by Frank McSavage:  When the information
> in the Western Pub. payroll documents refers to "one page Donald 
> Duck gag", that indicates that barks submitted a rough sketch layout
> of a one-page gag.  He got payed for the "writing" of that gag.  It
> was accepted for use, but not assigned to a particular magazine.

In Michael Barrier, the intended issue is mentioned as being OS 356.
Maybe you're referring to some other lost/unidentified gags, which
are described as being "for future use" and "to be used as needed"?

> The gag itself has the flavour of a Barks gag, but the intensity
> of Donalds changes in emotion are weak.

A reason for this could be that Carl Barks didn't draw the gag
himself, so he didn't have much control on how his expressions
would look in the published result. This, for example, happened
in the Junior Woodchuck stories, which are known to be by Barks.

> Also, I am SURE Barks would not have used the EXACT same dialogue
> in each of Donald's balloons.

Even though Donald keeps on repeating the same line, the emotion
differs because of the bold lettering which underscores Donald
getting more and more frustrated in making the parrot talk. 
So, at least for me, the lines are *not* exactly the same.

The US 61 parrot also uses a repetition of exactly the same line, 
but then *without* bold lettering. Even though this gag is art
only, this does not mean that Barks could have decided using a
different dialogue if he objected to this repetition. Apparently,
he didn't. (This is guessing, of course.)

Apart from this, a parrot has to *learn* a line before it can
imitate it. So, it's even nescessary to keep on repeating the
same line (as in OS 356), otherwise the parrot will never learn it.

And when one wants to make a parrot say a certain line it already
knows (as in US 61), then one has to say the line exactly the
same way as the parrot learnt it. 

> If McSavage indeed, received the originals, he did a masterful
> job of butchery ("McSavagery") as did Tony Strobl and Kay Wright
> to Barks' later story sketches.  My instinct tells me this is
> NOT a Barks script, or it is a well-changed version.

What's the difference between an "instict" and an "opinion"?


Best wishes,

--- Daniel


From kyrimis at cti.gr  Wed Nov 29 08:32:55 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:32:55 +0200 (EET)
Subject: $crooges money bin!
In-Reply-To: <200011281549.QAA17900@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011290924510.22579-100000@dias>

DON:

> If anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of cash bit,
> lemmee know.

Actually, if anyone can figure out how the money bin can be six-dimensional
and make a story out of it, that's you!

> >>>The Golden Fleecing: On page 10, panel 2, we can see Scrooge saying
> (according to the Greek translation): "I don't believe you. We are in the
> 20th floor!".
> 
> Oh, jeeze! I need to check that one! (But if it's true, I'll need to just
> ignore it! I can't see the place being so tall.)

It can be, if the floors are duck-sized, rather than human-sized. Why
waste all this premium office space by having non-functional high
ceilings? Besides, Uncle Scrooge's employees should be sitting on their
desks working, rather than standing upright for useless things such as
coffee breaks, so duck height is plenty of height even for them!

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature.  I am a professor of a far wider academy,
 of which human nature is merely a part."
-----



From kyrimis at cti.gr  Wed Nov 29 08:48:54 2000
From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:48:54 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Suppressed desire story
In-Reply-To: <200011281908.UAA26560@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011290938220.22579-100000@dias>

Yesterday I reread Barks' story where, invited to a suppressed desire
party, Donald went dressed up as a knight in shining armor, and everyone
kept making fun of him.

This story always disturbed me. *Why* did everyone make fun of Donald for
wanting to be a knight? The only reason I could think would be that they
were being too literal: since it is no longer possible to become a knight,
arriving at the suppressed desire party dressed up as such would indicate
a misunderstanding of the rules of the party. (However, given that most of
the ladies in the party, including Daisy, were dressed up as 19th century
senoritas, like those in "Old California", he wouldn't be the only one.)

Even the ending of the story seems wrong. I would have expected Barks to
start with a story initially praising knighthood, but in the end showing
that there is no such thing any more, rather than the reverse. Could it
be that Barks was poking fun at his own bitter attitude?

	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I am not a student of human nature.  I am a professor of a far wider academy,
 of which human nature is merely a part."
-----



From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com  Wed Nov 29 09:35:50 2000
From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:35:50 +0100
Subject: Money Bins/McDuck Building
Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BEFB1@l04.research.kpn.com>

Rob:

> Scrooge must have had his money stored in one, or 
> several "McDuck
> Buildings" from 1947 most of 1951.  Then, he moved most of 
> his money to his
> new cubic "safelike" Money Bin on Killmotor Hill.  Through 
> the years, with
> his new earnings piling up, he added new money bins (or changed its
> location).

And then he repeatedly stated that his money has been in his bin for years,
and that *the* bin is the only place where he keeps his money. This makes no
sense.

Making something consistent out of Barks' stories is not possible in this
case: one has to disregard at least half of the stories to make a
"consistent world". Of course, that doesn't stop Don Rosa from trying, and
I'm curious about the result.

--Harry.
(Who knows that the *real* bin is now, in shrunken state, in Arthur de
Wolf's home.)


From sgarcia at uf-isf.es  Wed Nov 29 09:33:26 2000
From: sgarcia at uf-isf.es (Santiago Garcia Banhos)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:33:26 +0100
Subject: Bin's controversial dimensions
In-Reply-To: <200011281549.QAA17900@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000601c059df$0ad98320$34446f0a@ufisf.es>

Don:

>From: Blasco Pisapia
>           1- the depth gauge is 100 feet high, hence the vault should
>measure
>              about 120 feet in height;
>           2- in the Bin there are 3 cubic acres of cash;
>  Of course, 3 cubic acres is not a real measure, but if it were, then
>the Bin should be about 3 times as big: 360 feet.
>>Yes, I go by the depth guage since that has been used so often, so
>>clearly,I could hardly ignore it. And I think Barks' exterior views of the
>>Bin have always looked like they were of an approximately 12 +- story
>>structure. If anyone can think of how to also respect the 3 cubic acres of
>>cash bit, lemmee know.

Maybe with a 260-feet basement? :-)

Or even a easier solution: the bin could have been built 100 feet high, and
years after was enhightened to 360 feet due to money-storage problems. ?Uh?

Santiago.



From marcobar at ds.unifi.it  Wed Nov 29 15:39:01 2000
From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:39:01 +0100
Subject: cubic acres from the Physicist's POW
In-Reply-To: <200011231104.MAA04259@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001129153901.00854db0@ds.unifi.it>

Regarding the ongoing discussion of the Money Bin and its content being
expressed in "cubic acres"...

A friend of mine, Dario Ambrosini, currently a subscriber of this list but
apparently too shy to contribute this directly   ;-)   sent me the following

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/dcml/CubicAcres.gif

taken from the journal of the American Association of Physics Teachers.
You might enjoy reading it. And anyway it's nice to see a Barks story
quoted among the references of a scientific article...

    Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex






From klezmerallthatjazz at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 27 23:46:56 2000
From: klezmerallthatjazz at earthlink.net (Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:46:56 -0600
Subject: Money Bin, again
Message-ID: <B6484080.C50%klezmerallthatjazz@earthlink.net>

Don Rosa, 

though you're dealing with the Money Bin itself, at some point you might
want to do a map of the grounds. In the story involving Death Valley Sandy
and the Duckburg Hall of Science, we learned that there was an old abandoned
tunnel under the Bin. Also, we know that Scrooge had a trapdoor in the
sidewalk outside the Bin (King of the Golden River) and of course the old
Ft. Duckburg escape tunnel to the river.....



From tensore at libero.it  Wed Nov 29 19:32:39 2000
From: tensore at libero.it (Tensore)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:32:39 +0100
Subject: Phantom Blot
Message-ID: <003901c05a32$c1a8be60$b2101a97@tensore>

Why there isn't the picture of Phantom Blot without the mask?
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