From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Tue Aug  1 00:57:22 2006
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:57:22 EDT
Subject: Moderation of DCML
Message-ID: <40c.3f79ba6.31ffe4d2@aol.com>

thank goodness for Moderation!
 
Steven Rowe
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From bangfish at cableone.net  Tue Aug  1 04:37:57 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:37:57 -0700
Subject: Huey's prominence
In-Reply-To: <mailman.368.1154380915.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.368.1154380915.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
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Arie:

> I am not aware if there are distinct characteristics among the  
> nephews (if
> there exists any), so I wanted to make sure whether it was intended  
> by the
> colorist or purely coincidental that Huey steals most of the  
> spotlight.

The only distinct characteristics between the nephews, as a rule, is  
that they have different names and different hat colors. In U.S.  
comics this has generally settled into Huey-red, Dewey-blue, and  
Louie-green, in that visual order. This is more a rule of thumb than  
any hard-and-fast "policy" on anyone's part.

For colorist such as myself, Sue Daigle-Leach, and Scott Rockwell -  
just to name the ones that come immediately to mind - if there is  
just one nephew in panel, and there's no narrative reason he's any  
one particular nephew, then than nephew tends to be Huey, since he's  
the first nephew in visual order.

Gary

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From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Aug  1 02:17:50 2006
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:17:50 +0200
Subject: Discussions, DCML and McDuck
References: <mailman.369.1154380915.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <003901c6b4ff$ecc68090$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>

> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:29:05 -0700
> From: "Donald D. Markstein"

[quote]
By the way, I've noticed over the years that whenever there's a heated
controversy on this otherwise extremely friendly list, leading to moderators
"scrubbing" posts lest things get out of hand, there's always one particular
person in the thick of it. Need I mention who?
[/quote]

I'll gladly fit the shoe of being a person taking part in heated
discussions. There were many others joining those discussions and if some
people have the opinion that I should be picked out as the one responsible,
I don't mind.

> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:20:15 +0300
> From: Kai Saarto

[quote]
One person seems to be keeping certain type conversation going on there,
without anyone moderating him out like we have here. No wonder he is so keen
to see us all migrate there to be his audience.
[/quote]

Do you mean McDuck International? http://discussion.mcduck.nl
If you suggest I could use McDuck International as a platform to be keeping
a certain type of conversation going, you're mistaken. There are many Disney
comics fans visiting the McDuck fora, including people here from DCML, and I
don't think they would like it to be an ego show. People at McDuck can be
very critical and hard about my writings.
I'm just mentioning McDuck as an open medium where members and guests
discuss without being moderated at first. I see DCML and McDuck as two
different places, full of interesting people. Both places having their own
benefits.
So, no migration please. (Unless you choose for both.)

Best,
Dani?l 



From reimersholme at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 03:01:15 2006
From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:01:15 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
In-Reply-To: <004b01c6b4c8$71ef39c0$87355c53@oles>
References: <44CDE8FB.5000004@mbnet.fi> <004b01c6b4c8$71ef39c0$87355c53@oles>
Message-ID: <BAY21-DAV663ED9ECFB65CC24F0FC2DB5D0@phx.gbl>

On 2006-07-31 19:40, Ole Damgaard wrote:
> There is also these remakes:
> D N 98002 'Something Fishy' is a remake of  'Somethin Fishy here' (W OS 
> 456-03)
> D N 96007 'The Mighty Duck' is a remake of  'Super Snooper' (W WDC 107-02)
> 
> -these two stories must be read backwards like manga comics.

There are more of these, but I don't have my Japanese Mickey Mouse Comic issues
here right now, so I can't make a list of them.

Stefan



From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Aug  1 08:16:55 2006
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:16:55 +0200
Subject: Huey's prominence
References: <mailman.369.1154380915.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <002601c6b532$16777e80$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>

Gary Leach, 01-08-2006:

[quote]
The only distinct characteristics between the nephews, as a rule, is  that 
they have different names and different hat colors. In U.S.  comics this has 
generally settled into Huey-red, Dewey-blue, and  Louie-green, in that 
visual order. This is more a rule of thumb than any hard-and-fast "policy" 
on anyone's part.
[/quote]
In panel 1.7 of the raffle turkey pet story (WDC 75), one of Donald's 
nephews mentions his full name and possibly also the color of his cap: "The 
blue streak you see next will be Huey Duck on his way to a raffle!"

[quote]
For colorist such as myself, Sue Daigle-Leach, and Scott Rockwell -  just to 
name the ones that come immediately to mind - if there is just one nephew in 
panel, and there's no narrative reason he's any one particular nephew, then 
than nephew tends to be Huey, since he's  the first nephew in visual order.
[/quote]
Do you mean that Huey is the default when there's just one nephew in panel? 
Where's the variation then?

Best,
Dani?l

"All this GOOD LUCK comes from having a MASCOT!"
(Which Barks story?) :-) 



From Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no  Tue Aug  1 09:23:53 2006
From: Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Halsten_Aasteb=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:23:53 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
In-Reply-To: <001201c6b4a3$c0a16770$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>
Message-ID: <00a101c6b53b$7117a230$ce1ff181@eelk1180>



-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at nafsk.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at nafsk.se] On Behalf Of
Olivier
Sent: 31. juli 2006 15:18
To: x DCML
Subject: Re: Direct references to Barks-stories

By the way, Barks himself  rarely referred to older stories, or did he? He
would throw in a line about Magica's desire for his dime to introduce her to
readers that didn't know her, but not to actual events-- or am I forgetting
some obvious instances?
The one direct reference I remember is "The Status Seeker" (
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+US+++41-02//Status+See++_ ), in which
the Beagle Boys go straight to the candy-striped ruby, guessing that Scrooge
would try and trick them the same way he had in "All at Sea" (
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/au/GS+433#b ).

Olivier


I can remember one other case: In WDC 61 HDL catch a burglar an get a
reward. In the following issue of WDC in the first page of the story "The
Great Ski Race", we can see the nephews playing with the reward money and
Donald making a comment about it. I can't remember his exact words, but it's
made clear that it is the money from the previous story.

There is also a loose connection between the two adventure stories in Donald
Duck Four Color 62, "Frozen Gold" and "Mystery of the Swamp". On the last
page of "Frozen Gold" Donald and nephews talk about going on vacation to a
warm place, and in the next story, there they are. 

Halsten


From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 12:11:31 2006
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:11:31 -0500
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
In-Reply-To: <00a101c6b53b$7117a230$ce1ff181@eelk1180>
Message-ID: <BAY111-F16350C9A5D5E3E1A511A17BC5D0@phx.gbl>

Suddenly I'm curious. Did anyone *besides* Barks do this in thier stories 
during the older days such as Murry or Strobl? Can anyone think of non Barks 
artists/writers who did this either to thier own stories or even to Barks'?


I know Gottfredson did it many times during the course of ealier Mickey 
Mouse strips but this was usually at the very beginning of the next story 
being serialized. The best example being the immediate segue between "Mickey 
Mouse on Sky Island" - Doctor Einmug shooting down Pegleg Pete's plane - and 
"In Search of Jungle Treasure" where Pete winds up crashing comically 
through Eli Squinch's roof. :)

This also leads me to another question - what was Barks's collaboration like 
with other duck and mouse writers and artists during his time? Has he ever 
spoken of Strobl or Murry or Fallberg or Taliaferro? His interaction with 
other peers/editors is something that is not often spoke of. Especially when 
characters he'd created began being used by others (Gladstone, Magica, 
Scrooge)

Jonathan H. Gray



From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 12:02:39 2006
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:02:39 -0500
Subject: Huey's prominence
In-Reply-To: <002601c6b532$16777e80$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>
Message-ID: <BAY111-F9FC51A99F8E81815E657EBC5D0@phx.gbl>

>From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
>To: <dcml at nafsk.se>
>Subject: Re: Huey's prominence
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:16:55 +0200
>
>Gary Leach, 01-08-2006:
>
>[quote]
>The only distinct characteristics between the nephews, as a rule, is  that
>they have different names and different hat colors. In U.S.  comics this 
>has
>generally settled into Huey-red, Dewey-blue, and  Louie-green, in that
>visual order. This is more a rule of thumb than any hard-and-fast "policy"
>on anyone's part.
>[/quote]
>In panel 1.7 of the raffle turkey pet story (WDC 75), one of Donald's
>nephews mentions his full name and possibly also the color of his cap: "The
>blue streak you see next will be Huey Duck on his way to a raffle!"


Youre being too literal. Saying that something is a "Blue streak" is one of 
those colorful old American phrases (still used actually) which denotes 
somebody who is said to be running off into the distance at lightning speed. 
It doesn't at all mean that said character is actually colored or referenced 
to be colored blue. :)

>[quote]
>For colorist such as myself, Sue Daigle-Leach, and Scott Rockwell -  just 
>to
>name the ones that come immediately to mind - if there is just one nephew 
>in
>panel, and there's no narrative reason he's any one particular nephew, then
>than nephew tends to be Huey, since he's  the first nephew in visual order.
>[/quote]
>Do you mean that Huey is the default when there's just one nephew in panel?
>Where's the variation then?
>

Not *all* colorists do that. Mr. Leach just just noted himself, his wife, 
Mr. Rockwell, etc as examples. I've noticed many others who often switch it 
up, sometimes a solo nephew being denoted as Dewey or sometimes it being 
Louie if said nephew is notspecifically called out by name. It just depends 
on the colorists preference at the time.

Jonathan H. Gray



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Aug  1 12:26:25 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:26:25 +0200
Subject: Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
Message-ID: <009b01c6b554$f1541e60$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Rich wrote:

> Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent

No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
been merged into one.

> I'm still hoping to see Gideon McDuck (Scrooge's brother);
> Kildare Coot (Sgrizzo Papero); Bruto (Mickey's talking bird);
> Dugan Duck (Biquinho); Gloria (dal Brasile), Fethry's girlfriend;
> Trudy (Pete's moll); Super Daisy (Papernika) and, especially ,
> some of the nNEW Junior Woodchucks (Giovani Marmotte) stories 
> featuring Moguls Bertie McGoose & Clarissa von Scout finally make
> their USA debut!

Hey, Rich, you forgot the kitchen sink!   ;-)

Lars

From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Aug  1 12:28:37 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:28:37 +0200
Subject: D 2005-070: recommended reading!
Message-ID: <00aa01c6b555$403af0d0$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Thanks for the kind words for D 2005-070, guys. In all fairness,
though, I have to commend the artist Maximino for doing an
excellent job, adding his own touch to the story.

Lars

From bobp at contracorner.com  Tue Aug  1 12:23:15 2006
From: bobp at contracorner.com (Bob Peterson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:23:15 -0400
Subject: Huey's prominence
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-F9FC51A99F8E81815E657EBC5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY111-F9FC51A99F8E81815E657EBC5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <153C9145-F59A-40E5-A0E7-8716D5A863BA@contracorner.com>

That's a new one on this American, but I don't discount it.  It might  
have been a regionalism.  I've only ever heard it used as a reference  
to cussing.  In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar  
language.  It is also the color used when cussing so foully as to  
"turn the air blue."

\bob peterson


On Aug 1, 2006, at 6:02 AM, Jonathan H. Gray wrote:

> Saying that something is a "Blue streak" is one of
> those colorful old American phrases (still used actually) which  
> denotes
> somebody who is said to be running off into the distance at  
> lightning speed.
> It doesn't at all mean that said character is actually colored or  
> referenced
> to be colored blue. :)


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Tue Aug  1 11:55:29 2006
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:55:29 +0200
Subject: DCML maintenance, present and future
Message-ID: <003401c6b550$9f2b3d20$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>

> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:49:16 +0200
> From: Per Starb?ck

>> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/pointers.html
[quote]As you can see at the bottom of the page it is last updated in 2001,
so like a big part of the web it is severely outdated. Like many other old
parts of the web it can sometimes be partly useful anyway, so it's generally
better to keep it than to remove it completely. If nothing else, the state
of affairs in 2001 can be rather interesting to see now.
[/quote]
I agree it's interesting to see how internet looked 5 years ago. If you want
to keep the pages that way as an historical impression, then you have have a
clear vision why they are there. Looking at the pages as a visitor, from the
outside, they might as well be there because someone forgot to delete them.

Hearing news about you going away from DCML and DDB, I'm interested in
knowing what you will leave behind, and if there's someone taking care of
it.

[quote]
If you just want fresh information you can certainly find it elsewhere. Old
parts of the web will fade away by being less and less googleable, so it's
generally not really a problem. I haven't checked, but I would assume that
the google ranking of the page you referred to is really low now.
[/quote]
The pages are an introduction and explanation of DCML. If the google ranking
of the page is really low now, it could mean that only few people are
getting to know DCML nowadays. My solution is to have new DCML-pages at a
different URL, to which the old pages can refer. And I'm very willing to
help updating the information.

What I prefer most is a Wikipedia-like structure to which more people can
contribute at once. I think the system of having a club (DCML) where one
person (Per Starb?ck) do all the work is old-fashioned and unfair. Unless
you insist on doing it all alone.
So, what I would like to know is: If  people are willing to support your
maintainance work, would you accept that?

In the past I've already contributed to the DCML-webpages, via you, and I'm
willing to do more. I think DCML needs an updated website, which can exist
at a different URL if you prefer. Then we'll have both an historical exhibit
and an updated DCML-website.

[quote]
Today I updated NAFS(k)'s Mailman to the latest version (2.1.8). Something
about the "scrubbing" was mentioned in the release notes, but I don't know
if the problem you refer to has been fixed with this. If you are interested
in working on this, get in contact with the Mailman people.
[/quote]
Yes, I'm interested in working on this. As with the PunBB software I also
have some questions about Mailman. Can you give an address where Mailman
people can be reached?

Via Google I found this page: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html
Is that the place to discuss Mailman, or do you have other adresseses? What
do you recommend?
And does it have to be Mailman, or are you open to other software?

[quote]
I will certainly not do any development of the list software myself, and I'm
sure the same goes for the rest of the NAFS(k) board as well, but if there
is a bug in Mailman you can help fix that will eventually be of benefit not
only for this list but for lots of other lists as well.
[/quote]
I know that a few programmers are willing to write software for DCML. Maybe
they and others are willing to do more. Important is that a lot of time and
effort would be saved if there's direct communication with Mailman people
and you.

With PunBB software there's a similar situation with updates and
developments. Maintainers can write their own software for it, but when they
do it outside of PunBB, they will have to re?nstall and reprogram their own
software whenever PunBB is updated. Therefore it's better to contact the
developers, so that improvements will become part of the official software
itself.

Now it's clear you are still updating the software, and that you're open to
new updates, it's a thankful and worthwhile task to contribute. Otherwise
people might be helping Mailman and then see that DCML is suddenly running
on other software, or not running at all. That's why I want to be certain
about the status of DCML and its software.

[quote]
Dani?l has also written a lot about the moderation here and writes several
times of "The Moderator", meaning me. I introduced moderation before I
handed over the list to NAFS(k), because of an emergency situation that you
know about, so back then I was "The Moderator", but right now we are
actually two moderators from NAFS(k).
[/quote]
Who is the second moderater? What's his/her name? I think that if a place is
moderated, it should be clear who are the moderators. At McDuck there are
now two moderators, which both can be reached personally both in public and
in private. Their names are mentioned on each forum overview, as you can see
here: http://forum.mcduck.nl

At this moment here at DCML, at least one unknown person is judging our
contributions anonymously, and I think that's wrong. I think people should
be able to know who is looking over their emails. When I asked for blocking
a link mistake, last Saterday, I got an anonymous report which gave me some
eery Big Brother idea, despite the helpfulness. Because the report looked as
if being written by a machine. It's very alienating. I think mentioning at
least the moderator's first name would make the reports look more human and
understandable.

[quote]
If anything really hard to judge should come up we will refer to the whole
board, but no moderation has been necessary for a long time so it doesn't
feel like a big issue. That the list should continue to be watched like this
was one of the requirements that NAFS(k) had on accepting the list though.
My personal take was that I had got enough and would have preferred not to
be involved at all anymore, partly because now that I'm still here I guess
the break hasn't been that noticeable, and some people are still seeing it
as my list.
[/quote]
I would prefer it to be your list forever. I think the situation of you
leaving is awful. Would it make difference for you if most of the
maintenance would be taken care of by other people and that you can stay as
a retired maintainer? Currently the situation looks to me is if it's all or
nothing. I hope that there's an in-between option to keep you here, if
people would save you from having to do the work.

[quote]
But I still thought the continuation of the list was important enough that I
preferred to be a part of it over closing it down, and those seemed to be
the only options.
[/quote]
What do you mean? I don't understand what you are writing here.

[quote]
None of the above is really about Disney comics. I'm sorry about that. I
hope this will answer Dani?l's questions to his satisfaction so this
half-off-topic thread won't have to be continued.
[/quote]
If you think that talking about the status and future of DCML isn't
on-topic, then I think there should be a open DCML list for volunteers
willing to contribute to DCML. There's already the option of using McDuck
International for that. So, there are good possibilities for keeping the
technical stuff away from DCML, in case people are bothered by it. Just let
me know what you prefer.

Thanks for replying and my apologies for me being impossible in recent
emails. When I heard people complaining you were gone and unreachable, I
feared a doom scenario which I hope will never happen. Per Starb?ck leaving
us without even looking back. I know it's your right to leave at any moment,
but that is only even more frustrating. Especially after 14 years. I'm glad
that it's still possible to communicate about DCML's status. I've been very
cynical about that, until you wrote this reply.

If there's one thing we all have in common, it's the wish that DCML should
stay. So, I hope there will be many people willing to do some volunteering
for DCML.

Best,
Dani?l

P.S. There are still Mailman problems, after the update. Some higher ASCII 
is being skipped in the digests (replaced by "?"-signs), and Jerryblake's 
email got scrubbed. 



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  1 14:15:08 2006
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:15:08 -0400
Subject: THE COLOR OF NEPHEWS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1154427181.16121.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1154427181.16121.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <000c01c6b564$21a07a00$64e16e00$@net>

DANIEL WROTE:

In panel 1.7 of the raffle turkey pet story (WDC 75), one of Donald's
nephews mentions his full name and possibly also the color of his cap: "The
blue streak you see next will be Huey Duck on his way to a raffle!"

AND I OFFER:

"Blue streak" is an American idiom that signifies anything moving at such
high speed to essentially appear as a blur, so it would not matter what
color clothing the individual was wearing.  He would never be considered a
streak of any color but blue.


Dan 


From frankbubacz at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 14:42:42 2006
From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:42:42 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
Message-ID: <BAY102-F8581D753D4D6CFD5997A1B25D0@phx.gbl>

Hi,

Olivier wrote:
The one direct [Barks self] reference I remember is "The Status Seeker", in 
which
the Beagle Boys go straight to the candy-striped ruby, guessing that Scrooge
would try and trick them the same way he had in "All at Sea".

Jerry wrote:
Barks refers to his own work in at least one other story, the "Water-Ski 
Race" ten-pager from the 1940s. At the beginning, the kids are "rolling in 
money," because of the reward they got for capturing the bank robber in last 
month's ten-pager (the one where Donald is trying to sabotage the boys' 
"detective agency.")

Halsten wrote:
There is also a loose connection between the two adventure stories in Donald
Duck Four Color 62, "Frozen Gold" and "Mystery of the Swamp". On the last
page of "Frozen Gold" Donald and nephews talk about going on vacation to a
warm place, and in the next story, there they are.



Just for the sake of completion, there's a fourth example in "The Money 
Champ": The Ducks are talking about their first encounter with Flintheart 
Glomgold and remember unrolling lots of string (see "The second richest 
Duck"). But I guess that's about it with Barks self references, and that's 
the way I like it, at least as far as Disney comics are concerned.

Frank



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Aug  1 16:04:57 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:04:57 +0200
Subject: DONALD & HIS COUSINS
Message-ID: <011c01c6b573$78cac920$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Rich wrote (slightly edited):

> Depicted: Donald Duck, Gladstone Gander, Gus Goose, Fethry
> Duck & Kildare Coot (aka Sgrizzo Papero)
> [...]
> Have all five ever appeared in the SAME story (outside of group
> poses or family gatherings)?
> If not, or if their appearances together in a story didn't really center
> on their interaction, do you think an interesting story could be written
> that shows just how differently they would approach a given
> circumstance?

I think it will be hard to pull off a story that gives sufficient "screen
time" to all five characters in order for us to learn anything substantial
about them and their interactions -- unless it is a 50-60 page story with
enough twists and turns that everybody gets a chance to shine. And
unless the Italians do something like this, I suspect such a story is
unlikely to happen, sadly.

Lars

From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Tue Aug  1 16:26:07 2006
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:26:07 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 1 (color-coded HD&L)
Message-ID: <080120061426.22068.44CF647F0000510B000056342207020953CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

Gary Leach wrote:

> The only distinct characteristics between the nephews, as a rule, is 
> that they have different names and different hat colors. In U.S. 
> comics this has generally settled into Huey-red, Dewey-blue, and 
> Louie-green, in that visual order. This is more a rule of thumb than 
> any hard-and-fast "policy" on anyone's part. 

Giving credit where credit is due, I believe DuckTales was primarily responsible for the "Huey = red, Dewey = blue, Louie = green" color scheme.  It may have existed prior to DT at isolated moments, but DT truly codified it (through constant visual repetition, if nothing else).  The rationale (sorry, I can't identify where it first appeared) was stated as being: 

Huey is the brightest of the three "hues," that is, red.
Dewey is the color of "dew" or water, blue.
That "leaves" Louie, and leaves are green.

Of course, there are occasional glitches: e.g., the recent Gemstone reprinting of "The Mysterious Stone Ray" in which the identity of the Nephew left behind on the beach with the Beagle Boy changes in "mid-flight."

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:

> In panel 1.7 of the raffle turkey pet story (WDC 75), one of Donald's 
> nephews mentions his full name and possibly also the color of his cap: "The 
> blue streak you see next will be Huey Duck on his way to a raffle!" 

You may be unaware that "a blue streak" is an American colloquialism for moving extremely fast.  It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the color of anything one's wearing.

Chris Barat
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Aug  1 16:35:37 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:35:37 +0200
Subject: Eisner Awards 2006
Message-ID: <014d01c6b577$c1276d00$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Yes, congrats to Todd Klein and Floyd Gottfredson. As already
stated, they both deserve the recognition.

Lars

From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 16:56:56 2006
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:56:56 -0500
Subject: Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
In-Reply-To: <009b01c6b554$f1541e60$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>
Message-ID: <BAY111-F27FFA0BF6AF4E537E9A8EEBC5D0@phx.gbl>

>From: "Lars Jensen" <lpj at forfatter.dk>
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at nafsk.se>
>Subject: Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:26:25 +0200
>
>Rich wrote:
>
> > Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent
>
>No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
>days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
>been merged into one.

Unfortunately?

Jonathan Gray



From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 17:01:18 2006
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:01:18 -0500
Subject: Huey's prominence
In-Reply-To: <153C9145-F59A-40E5-A0E7-8716D5A863BA@contracorner.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-F139FEE3F74D8C993300318BC5D0@phx.gbl>

>From: Bob Peterson <bobp at contracorner.com>
>To: dcml at nafsk.se
>Subject: Re: Huey's prominence
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:23:15 -0400
>
>That's a new one on this American, but I don't discount it.  It might
>have been a regionalism.  I've only ever heard it used as a reference
>to cussing.  In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar
>language.  It is also the color 
>usehttp://by111fd.bay111.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?type=ra&msg=95205D80-DCB2-4B6E-9E79-ABC5B40A0033&start=0&len=3921&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=1c9b76004ecf310985f48289b62aea0464996637d219fb5828677404991a2564#
Sendd when cussing so foully as to
>"turn the air blue."
>

Heehee. A certain relative used to used it when a certain kid would try to 
run away from a whooping. Of course I have no idea WHO that certain kid was. 
Heeheehee. ^^;;

Another thing, theres also a rather lame movie by the same name with Chris 
Tucker and....someone else whom I have suddenly forgotten? I dunno its been 
years.

Jonathan H. Gray



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  1 17:25:21 2006
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:25:21 -0400
Subject: Big Brother on DCML?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.388.1154437616.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.388.1154437616.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <002d01c6b57e$b8fe2d10$2afa8730$@net>

DANIEL OPINES:

At this moment here at DCML, at least one unknown person is judging our
contributions anonymously, and I think that's wrong. I think people should
be able to know who is looking over their emails. When I asked for blocking
a link mistake, last Saterday, I got an anonymous report which gave me some
eery Big Brother idea, despite the helpfulness. Because the report looked as
if being written by a machine. It's very alienating. I think mentioning at
least the moderator's first name would make the reports look more human and
understandable.

AND I RESPOND:

In Orwell's novel Big Brother was watching whenever and wherever.  I can
easily avoid the "eerie" gaze of the NAFSK moderators by not posting to or
unsubscribing from DCML, but I am happy to place trust in those who have
thus far earned it.

Names would be nice, but I don't feel I have *any* right to hold the list
moderators to any sort of accountability as far as their decisions about how
much of my posts they care to keep (including this one).  I figure by
self-policing my comments and keeping them on topic there is little need for
concern anyway.  I know my messages are going to be read by plenty of folks
I don't know when they are posted, so why worry about who reads them
*before* they circulate?  Because a point I want to make doesn't get
through?  That's fine with me; it's the moderator's call, and I have no
right to challenge it.  I certainly don't want to be a member of a board
that lets people say absolutely any rude or insensitive thing they like.

For the last time (I promise!), if I ever decide any message board I have
joined does not work the way I like, I'll start my own.  I won't ever
presume that I have *any* say in how any other individual or company
conducts its own affairs within the law.


Dan


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Tue Aug  1 10:22:20 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:22:20
Subject: Delta Dimension, Dinkie, C.O.A. and more
Message-ID: <200608011744.k71HiLDn001994@nix.europoint.se>

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From totemboschi at libero.it  Tue Aug  1 20:10:38 2006
From: totemboschi at libero.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:10:38 +0200
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <11776112-2128-423E-BFD1-5A0AC2314FA3@libero.it>

RICH, LARS...

> Mortimer Mouse = Montmorency Rodent
>

No, not really. Not in the beginning, anyway. Although these
days the two characters have indeed (and unfortunately)
been merged into one.

***???

Oh, well, maybe in other countries storie, but in Italy they are  
considered (and translated) as they STILL were separate and different  
characters, with the names of Topesio and Bubbo.
On the "last" I Maestri Disney on Gottfredson, I even wrote a  
"theoretic" article to explain the differences (adding also Mr.  
Slicker's character) among all those Mickey's rivals, The same in the  
"Disney Parade" booklet joined to the Mortimer PVC figurine. Since it  
was necessary to make a sculpture of it, a decision about the  
Mortimer's *real* look had to be taken.

Ciao!

Luca




From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Tue Aug  1 21:18:21 2006
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:18:21 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
References: <BAY102-F8581D753D4D6CFD5997A1B25D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005901c6b59f$40b48e00$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>

Thank you for reminding me of  these other, early, occurences of  Barks' 
continuity.
The reference to the reward was necessary to explain how the usually broke 
ducks can be "rolling in money".
The "let's go someplace warm" (quoting from memory) does seugue well into 
the "Mystery of  the Swamp" story, though it might be considered a natural 
conclusion as well.

As Robert pointed out, avoiding continuity in the comics was a safe (and 
good) idea. It's interesting that Barks did include such links between a 
very few stories, if  only for (his own) logic's sake.


Olivier 



From ole at disneycomics.dk  Tue Aug  1 22:52:43 2006
From: ole at disneycomics.dk (Ole Damgaard)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:52:43 +0200
Subject: Japanese style Barks (Re: Direct references to Barks-stories)
References: <44CDE8FB.5000004@mbnet.fi> <004b01c6b4c8$71ef39c0$87355c53@oles>
	<BAY21-DAV663ED9ECFB65CC24F0FC2DB5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007201c6b5ac$6f864270$cd4b3257@oles>

I wrote:
>D N 98002 'Something Fishy' is a remake of  'Somethin Fishy here' (W OS
> 456-03)
> D N 96007 'The Mighty Duck' is a remake of  'Super Snooper' (W WDC 107-02)


And Stefan Persson replyed:
> There are more of these, but I don't have my Japanese Mickey Mouse Comic 
> issues
> here right now, so I can't make a list of them.


Oh. I only know these two japanese style remakes, because they have been 
printed in JT 9 . Are there more like in "a whole series", or like in "just 
a few more" ? And are they all Barks-remakes?

/ole 



From cord at wiljes.de  Wed Aug  2 09:28:54 2006
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:28:54 +0200
Subject: Disney Archives from Gemstone in the Offing?
Message-ID: <006a01c6b605$4fb2afc0$0300a8c0@BERTELSMANN>

Quote from: http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/current_news.html

NEWS UPDATE: 7/24
DISNEY ARCHIVES FROM GEMSTONE IN THE OFFING?
Posted at 8:00 PM by gormuu

Short answer? Yes. Long answer? Be patient.

In my further discussions with Gemstone, I asked if there were any plans
to release a comprehensive hardcover archive of Carl Barks' Duck
material. Currently, foreign markets in Norway, Sweden, Germany and
Denmark are getting lovely hardcover reprints of all the Barks Duck
material in chronological order, and while those fans are just ducky
right now, their release in Europe is getting in the way of a domestic
US release. Within a couple years, however, that will change. Once the
non-interference arrangement with European licensees elapses, the decks
will be clear for US release, and that will likely be in 2008.

And just to repeat: we'd be getting chronological Barks Duck releases,
in color, in hardcover. If this news doesn't make you quack with joy,
check out the next news update:

Are you a Floyd Gottfredson mouse fanatic? Gemstone will have you
covered, too! They're in the planning stages of a similar initiative to
cover Floyd Gottfredson's seminal work on Mickey Mouse strips, which
began back in 1930! This is about all there is to say about this project
right now, but as soon as there is more info to pass on, I'll let you
know!


From totemboschi at libero.it  Wed Aug  2 10:18:08 2006
From: totemboschi at libero.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:18:08 +0200
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.396.1154456996.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.396.1154456996.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <754E4C09-4745-48E0-9700-ABFA7A59DA29@libero.it>

- Unprocessed:
     RICH

> Depicted: Donald Duck, Gladstone Gander, Gus Goose, Fethry
> Duck & Kildare Coot (aka Sgrizzo Papero)
> [...]
> Have all five ever appeared in the SAME story (outside of group
> poses or family gatherings)?
> If not, or if their appearances together in a story didn't really
> center
> on their interaction, do you think an interesting story could be
> written
> that shows just how differently they would approach a given
> circumstance?
>
>
     LARS
     I think it will be hard to pull off a story that gives sufficient
     "screen
     time" to all five characters in order for us to learn anything
     substantial
     about them and their interactions -- unless it is a 50-60 page  
story
     with
     enough twists and turns that everybody gets a chance to shine. And

- Ignored:
     unless the Italians do something like this, I suspect such a  
story is
     unlikely to happen, sadly.

     ???***
     Well, you're right, Lars! Il the following story of mine, Fethry is
     missing (even if there are many other characters, like Scrooge's
     brother)... But it's only 45 pages long!

     Check here...

     I TL 2234-5 (22-09-1998)
     La grande corsa Paperopoli-Ocopoli
     /Boschi/Faccini/
     45//; QQQ, *Paperino*, *Gastone*, Paperina, EEE, Chiquita,  
Brigitta,
     Nonna Papera, *Ciccio*, Zio Paperone, Gedeone, *Sgrizzo*, OK Quack,
     Umperio Bogarto, Pico, Andy Ascott, Archimede, Edi


     Ciao!

     Luca



From nhh at ra.sa.dk  Wed Aug  2 10:30:24 2006
From: nhh at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:30:24 +0200
Subject: Crazy birds
Message-ID: <809BD95E8B2E71429846F0BDB113D87E58419D@RASAREXC01.sar.top.local>

Hello everyone

Is there anybody who could tell me the original name of the crazy bird
that's driving Donald crazy in the opening Dick Moores story of Donald
Duck #34/1954?
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DD+++34-02

(In Danish, it's called "flatfooted wispybird")

Its behaviour reminds me a little of the aracuan from "Clown of the
Jungle".

Kind regards
Niels


From calisota at internode.on.net  Wed Aug  2 05:52:04 2006
From: calisota at internode.on.net (Greg Wright)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:52:04 +1000
Subject: Huey's prominence
Message-ID: <002001c6b5e7$0906c7f0$0200a8c0@greg>

<quote>That's a new one on this American, but I don't discount it.  It
might  
have been a regionalism.  I've only ever heard it used as a reference  
to cussing.  In that, "blue" is a metaphor for using vulgar  
language.  It is also the color used when cussing so foully as to  
"turn the air blue."</quote>

I can verify that it's an expression I've come across down here in New
Zealand/Australia. It's not too common these days but I've been around a
few years. Which ends my yearly contribution to the list. :-)

Greg

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From vernonmeiers at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 18:09:45 2006
From: vernonmeiers at gmail.com (Vernon Meiers)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:09:45 +0200
Subject: Web forum
Message-ID: <a8e70df00608010909g62ccf951hbbf47109d44679ec@mail.gmail.com>

> From: Kai Saarto
>One person seems to be keeping certain type conversation going on there,
>without anyone moderating him out like we have here. No wonder he is so
keen
>to see us all migrate there to be his audience.
100% true. I've read DCML for one year and a half, and the discussions are
interesting.
Mcduck could be great but as far as I see there are flame wars everytime.
Not one is ever moderated. Anonymous posters come out of nowhere sending
attacks under frivolous arguments that go ad-nauseum (I don't want to
explain them here) - discussing all but Disney comics, and continuously
sending long and tricky messages full of insinuations. Such discussions are
not my idea of a forum. I like forums when you can actually ban someone,
when you clearly see that one is never doing any good. Sorry for this topic
not related to Disney comics.
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From dcml at pryds.eu  Wed Aug  2 11:17:00 2006
From: dcml at pryds.eu (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:17:00 +0200
Subject: Japanese style Disney comics [was: Japanese style Barks]
In-Reply-To: <007201c6b5ac$6f864270$cd4b3257@oles>
References: <44CDE8FB.5000004@mbnet.fi>
	<004b01c6b4c8$71ef39c0$87355c53@oles>	<BAY21-DAV663ED9ECFB65CC24F0FC2DB5D0@phx.gbl>
	<007201c6b5ac$6f864270$cd4b3257@oles>
Message-ID: <44D06D8C.1020600@pryds.eu>

Ole Damgaard wrote:
> Oh. I only know these two japanese style remakes, because they have been 
> printed in JT 9 . Are there more like in "a whole series", or like in "just 
> a few more" ? And are they all Barks-remakes?

Here's a list of the ones that Inducks knows about:
http://coa.inducks.org/simp.php?showimage=on&d1=&d2=&d4=D+N&creat=&exactpg=&pagel=l

As your can see, it's not only Barks remakes. And I guess there are
enough to call them "a whole series" :-)

Thomas


From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Wed Aug  2 13:40:24 2006
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:40:24 +0200
Subject: Disney Archives from Gemstone in the Offing?
References: <006a01c6b605$4fb2afc0$0300a8c0@BERTELSMANN>
Message-ID: <002f01c6b628$71800440$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>

- Cord -


>>>> Quote from: http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/current_news.html
>>>> And just to repeat: we'd be getting chronological Barks Duck releases,
>>>> in color, in hardcover. 

>>>> They're in the planning stages of a similar initiative to
>>>> cover Floyd Gottfredson's seminal work on Mickey Mouse strips,

Wonderful, wonderful news!
Thanks for the link, Cord!

And thanks to the Gemstone team for their efforts!

:)



Olivier


From bangfish at cableone.net  Wed Aug  2 17:27:26 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:27:26 -0700
Subject: Huey's prominence
In-Reply-To: <mailman.396.1154456996.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.396.1154456996.3427.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <C386DE2A-02C6-4E5F-8E7B-48DEA865364C@cableone.net>

Chris,

> Giving credit where credit is due, I believe DuckTales was  
> primarily responsible for the "Huey = red, Dewey = blue, Louie =  
> green" color scheme.  It may have existed prior to DT at isolated  
> moments, but DT truly codified it (through constant visual  
> repetition, if nothing else).  The rationale (sorry, I can't  
> identify where it first appeared) was stated as being:
>
> Huey is the brightest of the three "hues," that is, red.
> Dewey is the color of "dew" or water, blue.
> That "leaves" Louie, and leaves are green.

DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't  
originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in mid- 
summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.  
That's not to say that Another Rainbow/Gladstone originated it,  
either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even then.

>  Of course, there are occasional glitches: e.g., the recent  
> Gemstone reprinting of "The Mysterious Stone Ray" in which the  
> identity of the Nephew left behind on the beach with the Beagle Boy  
> changes in "mid-flight."

Colorists are only human, though they are often expected to be able  
to read minds, especially those of editors and artists ;-)

Gary
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From pkoko at burketelecom.com  Wed Aug  2 18:25:39 2006
From: pkoko at burketelecom.com (Paul Koko)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:25:39 -0500
Subject: Blue Streak
Message-ID: <44D0D203.9030406@burketelecom.com>

Not to belabor a minor talking point, but the expression "Like a Blue 
Streak", is very American, and goes way-way back to the hey-day of the 
Newspaper business.  Back in the 19th Century and the early years of the 
20th Century, Newspapers were extremely competitive, and as there were 
no Radios or TV's then and very few people had Telephones, the vast 
majority of people got their news from the newspapers.  When there was a 
breaking story, the papers would RUSH to publish a special edition and 
get it out onto the streets as quickly as possible;  and the front page 
was usually marked with a "Blue Streak" down the right edge to 
distinguish it from the regular edition.  The final edition for that 
particular day was the "Red Streak".

Just a little bit of history from an old codger who has been reading 
Disney Comics since his Dad started bringing them home in 1940!  --30--

From olof.siverbo at bostream.nu  Wed Aug  2 20:27:23 2006
From: olof.siverbo at bostream.nu (Olof Siverbo)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:27:23 +0200
Subject: DCML maintenance, present and future
In-Reply-To: <003401c6b550$9f2b3d20$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>
Message-ID: <8AD9090D-2254-11DB-A99A-000A9580A280@bostream.nu>

Daniel van Eijmeren:
> Who is the second moderater?

That's me!

Olof Siverbo (on the board of NAFS(k) since 1983 or so)


From starback at ling.uu.se  Thu Aug  3 14:56:35 2006
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:56:35 +0200
Subject: HDL colours
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1154599982.32133.dcml@nafsk.se>
	(dcml-request@nafsk.se's message of "Thu,
	03 Aug 2006 12:13:02 +0200")
References: <mailman.0.1154599982.32133.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <qz4pwuj7uk.fsf@sonorant.lingfil.uu.se>

Gary Leach wrote:

> DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
> originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in
> mid-summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
> That's not to say that Another Rainbow/ Gladstone originated it,
> either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even
> then.

I think this is interesting, since I also thought that the HDL =
red/blue/green colouring originated in DuckTales. Where else would it
come from? Where would it have been well-established? Not in any
animation before DuckTales and not in any comics before Gladstone, as
far as I know, so where?

Maybe an idea thought up at Disney used for some merchandise?
Or maybe an idea originating from the work on DuckTales even though
you heard it before DT premiered? (September 11, 1987.)

Do other AR people remember where they heard about it?
-- 
Per Starback
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"


From YMH at aol.com  Thu Aug  3 14:45:38 2006
From: YMH at aol.com (Yossi Horowitz)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:45:38 -0400
Subject: Huey's prominence
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1154599982.32133.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1154599982.32133.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <44D1EFF2.8020507@aol.com>

Wouldn't ink and paint work on Ducktales have been well underway by 
then, though?

dcml-request at nafsk.se wrote on 8/3/2006, 6:13 AM:

 >
 > DuckTales may have used this "codified" formula, but it didn't
 > originate it. I first heard it - in very much this form - in mid-
 > summer 1986, when I was first hired by Another Rainbow/Gemstone.
 > That's not to say that Another Rainbow/Gladstone originated it,
 > either, because it seemed to be a well-established formula even then.


From jerryblake2 at juno.com  Thu Aug  3 15:46:40 2006
From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (jerryblake2 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:46:40 GMT
Subject: Huey, Dewey, and Louie
Message-ID: <20060803.064713.776.278357@webmail15.lax.untd.com>

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From travis at webseitler.com  Thu Aug  3 16:25:09 2006
From: travis at webseitler.com (Travis Seitler)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:25:09 -0400
Subject: Huey, Dewey, and Louie
In-Reply-To: <20060803.064713.776.278357@webmail15.lax.untd.com>
References: <20060803.064713.776.278357@webmail15.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <9006d9c0608030725i9321029ja33aa7b9cf4a1176@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/3/06, jerryblake2 at juno.com <jerryblake2 at juno.com> wrote:

> I can't recall where I first heard that Huey, Dewey, and Louie's cap
> colors are red, blue, and green, respectively. However, I seem to have
> "known" that since my earliest days reading Disney comics.
>

Me, too. Of course, I was only five when I first saw DuckTales, so maybe
that *was* what solidified the nephews' colors in my mind... but I seem to
have "always known" that Huey's cap was red -- even if I mixed up the other
two occasionally. ;)

// Travis Seitler :: travis at webseitler.com
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From bangfish at cableone.net  Thu Aug  3 17:19:14 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:19:14 -0700
Subject: Blue Streak
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My earliest distinct encounter with "blue streak" was in fifth grade,  
when our class clown got the attention of everyone in the lunchroom  
and told a very shaggy-dog joke in which the meaning of the term  
"blue streak" was the non-punchline. As far as the joke was concerned  
it could have been any term, though the "blue" did suggest something,  
well, suggestive.

In later life I've heard the term most often used in the context of  
someone speaking fast and rather relentlessly - "talking a blue  
streak." But it's always been that joke that's stuck in my mind.

Gary






































From lpj at forfatter.dk  Thu Aug  3 17:44:55 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:44:55 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
Message-ID: <012901c6b713$c4505b20$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Jonathan H. Gray wrote:

> Can anyone think of non Barks artists/writers who [made
> references in their stories] either to thier own stories or even
> to Barks'?

The US Bucky Bug comic book stories have quite a bit of continuity.
In one story, for instance, Bucky and Bo tell Bucky's wife June how
they met Bootle Beetle, as seen in a previous story.

> what was Barks's collaboration like with other duck and mouse
> writers and artists during his time? Has he ever spoken of Strobl
> or Murry or Fallberg or Taliaferro?

The only thing I remember right now is that he read Al Taliaferro's
Donald Duck newspaper strip, contributed a few ideas to it and
used many characters from it.

And I think he also read Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strip.

Oh, and I believe he liked the material Vic Lockman wrote for him.
And there was another writer (identity unknown) who he described
as an old hack.

Lars

From xephyr at cwnet.com  Thu Aug  3 09:06:31 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:06:31
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From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  3 18:17:13 2006
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:17:13 -0500
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
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>Jonathan H. Gray wrote:
>
> > Can anyone think of non Barks artists/writers who [made
> > references in their stories] either to thier own stories or even
> > to Barks'?
>
>The US Bucky Bug comic book stories have quite a bit of continuity.
>In one story, for instance, Bucky and Bo tell Bucky's wife June how
>they met Bootle Beetle, as seen in a previous story.
>

I'd forgotten about Bucky Bug. Plus (if I remember correctly) weren't some 
minute parts of the newspaper serials referenced in early Bucky stories 
also? Surprising that it had as much continuity as it did though I guess the 
nice thing about that is that each story could stand on it's own. I suppose 
the same goes for Moores and Murry's Brer Rabbit serials as well.

To veer off topic for a bit, I remember when Disney ran "Brer Rabbit and the 
Garden of Eatin'" in Comics and Stories and it surprised me just how many 
resisdents of the "Brer Rabbit" community arent seen much anymore outside of 
small cameos - i.e Brer Terrapin, Brer Groun'hawg, the raccoon from that 
same story, and specifically Molly whom you'd think would have a much larger 
role in Brer Rabbit stories in general. I suppose thats because we sadly 
dont see as many Brer Rabbit stories as I'd personally like in the 
states...I do like that in the Dell era, Zeke Wolf (whom I'm positive was 
referred to as Brer Wolf once or twice), the three pigs, and Lil Wolf were 
incorporated into said community which IMO just made sense. Do the 
characters see print in Europe more often than they do in the states? And 
also - concerning European contiuity, most the Brer charcters live outside 
of Duckburg deep in the Black Forest area, correct? Or how does that work? I 
seem to recall a Barks Grandma Duck story where the Big Bad Wolf actually 
did appear though I imagine he had no hand in writing it.


>The only thing I remember right now is that he read Al Taliaferro's
>Donald Duck newspaper strip, contributed a few ideas to it and
>used many characters from it.

Hence Bolivar. And Taliaferro made extensive use of Scrooge later on too.

>And I think he also read Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strip.

^__^

>Oh, and I believe he liked the material Vic Lockman wrote for him.

Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories if I may ask?

>And there was another writer (identity unknown) who he described
>as an old hack.

LOL! I dont know why that strikes me as funny as it does. :)

Jonathan H. Gray



From bangfish at cableone.net  Thu Aug  3 19:01:05 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:01:05 -0700
Subject: Nephew's hat colors
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Per:

> Maybe an idea thought up at Disney used for some merchandise?
> Or maybe an idea originating from the work on DuckTales even though
> you heard it before DT premiered? (September 11, 1987.)

My best guess is that Bruce Hamilton established it with Carl Barks -  
his touchstone for all artistic matters concerning the Ducks,  
including color - during one of the countless Q&As they exchanged  
during the early 1980s. Again, it doesn't mean they would necessarily  
have originated the formula, but simply agreed that it would be the  
one that Gladstone would use.

Gary
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From gdavid at gemstonepub.com  Thu Aug  3 19:01:52 2006
From: gdavid at gemstonepub.com (David Gerstein)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:01:52 -0400
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
Message-ID: <BC2665743C17384DA985DFC38E76AABD01C77E9C@dcdtimexcsrv.diamondcomics.com>

	Hey Jonathan,

> To veer off topic for a bit, I remember when Disney ran "Brer Rabbit and the Garden of Eatin'" in Comics and Stories [#576, 1992] and it surprised me just how many resisdents of the "Brer Rabbit" community arent seen much anymore outside of small cameos [...] - i.e Brer Terrapin [...] and specifically Molly whom you'd think would have a much larger role in Brer Rabbit stories in general. I suppose thats because we sadly dont see as many Brer Rabbit stories as I'd personally like in the states...
> 
	You suppose correctly.
	In those countries that have continued to produce Brer Rabbit stories in modern times (Denmark through 1997, Holland right up to the present), both Brer Terrapin and Molly have been frequently recurring characters. IMHO, Molly is actually overused, typically as the victim of Brer Fox whom Brer Rabbit must rescue from the stewpot. I myself once wrote such a story, not realizing the idea had been done to death. Ho hum...

> I do like that in the Dell era, Zeke Wolf (whom I'm positive was 
> referred to as Brer Wolf once or twice), the three pigs, and Lil Wolf were incorporated into said community which IMO just made sense.
> 
	Darn tootin' it makes sense! It's not a big surprise to discover that the pigs and wolf are also in the original Joel Chandler Harris Brer Rabbit stories (see: "Brer Wolf and the Pigs" in Harris' _Further Tales of Uncle Remus_ ...no kidding!).
	Brers Fox and Bear actually call Zeke "Brer Wolf" in quite a large number of old W-coded stories, so it's actually the characters' traditional custom; we're carrying it on these days at Gemstone.

> Do the characters see print in Europe more often than they do in the states?
> 
	Until the early 1990s, the answer was generally yes; both Egmont and Dutch-produced comics contained a lot of both Wolf and Brer Rabbit stories.
	In the mid-1990s, Egmont's local publishers decided they wanted less of the forest characters. Brer Rabbit was dropped from most of the Egmont weeklies in the late 1990s. Wolf stories still appear, though rather seldom.
	The Dutch, however, carry on with lots of Wolf and Brer Rabbit stories even today.
	OTOH, Jonathan, remember that we have a Wolf story here in the States in about nine out of every ten WDC&S issues. So we're still getting a fairly good supply.

> And also - concerning European contiuity, most the Brer charcters live outside of Duckburg deep in the Black Forest area, correct? Or how does that work? I seem to recall a Barks Grandma Duck story where the Big Bad Wolf actually did appear though I imagine [Barks] had no hand in writing it.
> 
	Gil Turner began a tradition that the Brer and Wolf characters lived in the forest outside of Mickey's and Donald's cities. Vic Lockman and others carried this on in the 1960s, doing a huge number of crossovers - including the Barks-drawn Grandma story you mention.
	At Egmont in the 1990s the rule was that we couldn't mix the forest characters with mouse and duck continuity. I suspect the Dutch have a similar rule, but I'm not sure; going by the stories I've seen, though, that's what I'd suspect.

	David
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Thu Aug  3 20:24:46 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:24:46 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
Message-ID: <01a201c6b72a$190d0170$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Jonathan H. Gray wrote:

> Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories if I may ask?

Check out this link:
http://coa.inducks.org/comp2.php?code=&showimage=on&imageVisu=&keyw=&keywt=i&exactpg=&pg1=&pg2=&bro2=&pagel=l&pagelx=n&hero=&xapp=&xa2=&creat=&art=cb&ink=&writ=vic+lockman&plot=&pub1=&pub2=&part=&ser=&xref=&xrefd=&repabb=&repabbc=ar&includeParts=&vpages=on&vtitle=on&vhero=on&vwrit=on&vart=on&vpubdate=on&vdesc2=on&vdesc=uk&vus=on&sort1=pubdate&sort2=none

Lars 


From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Thu Aug  3 20:38:16 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:38:16 +0200
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
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Lars to Jonathan:
> 
> > Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories 
> > if I may ask?
> 
> Check out this link

A bit shorter link:

http://coa.inducks.org/comp2.php?art=cb&writ=vlo&default_o=1

--Harry.

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From ddmarkstein at cox.net  Thu Aug  3 21:04:24 2006
From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:04:24 -0700
Subject: Nephews
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>Different character or not?  Of course they are *supposed* to be
>exactly like one another, but if you look through several episodes
>where they do different things and you know which one does what, maybe
>you could find some unintentional (on the part of the writers)
>different character traits anyway?
>  
>

An unknown number, probably dozens, of different writers, over a period 
of decades, who don't even know each other, somehow managed to 
coordinate their stories so that different character traits, amazingly 
subtle and yet discernable to the studious reader, appear consistently 
among the "different" nephews? And they did this without even intending to?

I don't think so.

I've been reading Duck stories with nephews in them for more than half a 
century, and reading them seriously enough and repeatedly enough that I 
could quote fairly large sections of Barks, and I've never seen any such 
thing. What's more, until the 1980s, I never saw any consistency in the 
way they were colored. But perhaps that's because I've never looked, 
because as far as I've ever been able to tell, the three are absolutely 
interchangeable.

Now, I can't claim to be one of the Master Planners of the Disney 
Universe. In fact, most of my writing of Nephews is merely to re-dialog 
European stories for American consumption -- at Egmont, where I write 
full stories, I mostly do Mickey Mouse. However, even the minor Duck 
work I do qualifies me to use the next paragraph's first five words as 
an introduction.

SPEAKING AS A DUCK WRITER, I don't distinguish among them at all. If a 
nephew speaks in one of the stories I work on, I attribute the balloon 
to "Nephew". If two nephews speak in the same panel, I attribute the 
ballons to "Nephew 1" and "Nephew 2", in normal reading order. I don't 
recall all three nephews speaking in the same panel, but I'm sure you 
can guess how I'd attribute the balloons if they ever did. In fact, even 
if Phooey, the phantom fourth Nephew who is seen occasionally when 
stories aren't proofread carefully enough, were to show up, I'd simply 
call him "Nephew 4". (After pointing him out to editors, of course.)

Let someone else decide what color their caps are. Whatever he does, 
he'll be consistent, because as far as I've ever seen, there is no 
difference whatsoever from one nephew to another.

Didn't Don Rosa once do a story about what incredibly minute differences 
you have to perceive to tell them apart? Differences like one of them 
has a mosquito bite over his eye, or one has a couple of feathers out of 
place? If any reader, anywhere, could see a real difference among them, 
that was the time to share it with the rest of us.

Quack, Don


From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Fri Aug  4 00:30:12 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:30:12 EDT
Subject: Lockman wrote for Barks?
Message-ID: <456.3a07031.3203d2f4@aol.com>

Everyone:
 
Jonathan H. Gray wrote: 
 
"Lockman wrote for Barks? THIS I did not know. What stories if I may  ask?"

My guess, as someone who knows Lockman's style quite well, is that  it would 
have been backups in later issues of UNCLE SCROOGE like "Travel  Tightwad" and 
"Invisible Intruder".  
 
They read far more like Lockman than Barks.  
 
Joe Torcivia.  
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From Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no  Fri Aug  4 09:31:59 2006
From: Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Halsten_Aasteb=F8l?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:31:59 +0200
Subject: HDL Coloring: A Walk Down Memory Lane
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-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at nafsk.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at nafsk.se] On Behalf Of Rich
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Snip..


This is what Dan Haley tried to do in "A Who's Who of Huey, Dewey &
Louie" published in the fanzine The Barks Collector #11 (1979).  He
doesn't only use those situations where one of the boys is explicitly
named, but all of that story as well, as he assumes that they wear the
same colours throughout a story at least.  I wouldn't trust the
colourists that much...

When he initially looked through his Barks collection to find
instances where a nephew with a cap or outfits of some particular
colour was named, he found the following:

		Huey	Dewey	Louie
	Red	5	6	8
	Green	5	4	6
	Blue	1	8	3

(He only used stories by Carl Barks, but of course Unca Carl didn't
colour his stories himself.)


----

So in this little survey Huey was named 11 times, Dewey 18 times and Louie
17 times. Is there a tendency to name one of the nephews more often than the
others? I would suppose not.

Halsten


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Fri Aug  4 17:17:00 2006
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:17:00 +0200
Subject: HDL colours
Message-ID: <000901c6b7d9$0862d980$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>

Could the nephews-colouring originate from their 1930s debut animated 
cartoon 'Donald's Nephews'?
Isn't there a scene where they individually introduce themselves? I've seen 
a storyboard drawing of that.
Difference could be that green = yellow. I haven't seen the cartoon for some 
time.

Best, Dani?l 



From elaine1 at snet.net  Fri Aug  4 17:34:39 2006
From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:34:39 -0400
Subject: nephews
Message-ID: <002801c6b7db$843cb650$f958fc40@Narnia>

The Rosa story of which Don Markstein speaks is "An Eye for Detail" (WDCS
622). And Rosa certainly believes that the nephews are identical in
character as well as (to all but themselves and Donald) in appearance. He
wrote on this list a few years back "I still like the idea of them being the
same character times 3, with no individual traits... I think that's part of
the 'gag' for me, that there could be three such noble yet identical
people." He's also more than once included scenes in stories that make clear
that the nephews themselves don't think they're identical; that's also part
of the gag. So Rosa, for instance, would not do a story where the nephews
take advantage of their identical appearance to fool someone else. Barks
actually did have the nephews try (unsuccessfully!) to fool Donald in this
way, in the ten-pager in WDCS 71 (which Gladstone named "Swimming
Swindlers"); perhaps Donald had already at that early stage developed his
eye for detail. Though it's not clear that Donald would have seen through
their masquerade if he hadn't overheard their plans in advance. 

The McGreals have written a story, "Happy Birthday Times 3," in which the
nephews apparently try to establish independent identities in order to get
separate (or multiple?) birthday celebrations/presents (I'm just going by
the INDUCKS summary). I'm hoping Gemstone will publish that some time (now
that they've published the April, May & June birthday story!), because I'm
curious to see how the McGreals chose to handle the issue. I'm the younger
sister of identical twins, and my childhood claim to fame was that I was the
*only* one who never got them mixed up (which basically just meant that I
took the time to look carefully before I called out a name; everyone in the
immediate family could tell them apart if they tried), so I'm naturally
drawn to such stories!

And on another note entirely... The Amazon previews for upcoming Gemstone
issues list "Master of Disaster" in both DDA 21 & 22. Is that accurate? Will
it be published in two parts? 

And on yet another note... Has anyone ever made April, May & June members of
the Chickadees? (Personally, I'd far rather be a member of the Junior
Bonfire Girls [WDCS 42]--not such a cutesy feminine name! Though to be fair,
it's not like "Junior Woodchuck" would sound like something anyone would
want to be, if we didn't have all the Barksian associations with the name.)

Elaine





From ksaarto at mbnet.fi  Fri Aug  4 19:27:23 2006
From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:27:23 +0300
Subject: Filler stories
Message-ID: <44D3837B.9010500@mbnet.fi>

One thing I've been personally wondering for years are the 
"filler"-stories in weeklies. For example "Big Bad Wolf",  "Hiawatha" 
and others that use different universes than mice/ducks. Those have 
evolved little or nothing during decades, 90% of time Zeke tries to 
capture the three little pigs or Hiawatha tries to convince everyone 
that he is a big warrior. (I am provocating a bit here, I know that 
someone could claim duck-stories to be as one-dimensional plotwise)

On the same vein. "Bucky Bug" reads like its something aimed for 3-5 
year olds. I know that Bucky is a character from old Silly Symphonies, 
but I have only recently seen those new stories appearing. Anyone know 
why they are making those now? Have they started to re-use to characters 
in cartoons or something and then decided to make a comic version as well?

Are they popular among the readers?  Has publishers made polls or 
something? I don't like them that much, so I am trying to figure out if 
anyone else does.Since so many older characters are now banned by Egmont 
for example Moby Duck, I just can?t get why they do stories about Bucky 
Bug but not Moby Duck (except for those Italian Bay stories, which are 
actually good).

Are publishers trying to meet a quota with these? Perhaps their deal 
with Disney includes a clause that "requires" them to use certain 
characters besides just ducks and mice.




From elaine1 at snet.net  Sat Aug  5 06:32:51 2006
From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:32:51 -0400
Subject: Ringtail author
Message-ID: <000201c6b848$37515130$c8abfc40@Narnia>

I just saw that INDUCKS lists the author of "The Last Voyage of Ringtail van
Dukke" as Evert Geradts. In Gladstone's DDA 39, the author was listed as Jan
Kruse. Which is correct? Since this story is one of my very favorite duck
stories by someone other than Barks or Rosa, I want to give credit where
credit is due! 




From ddmarkstein at cox.net  Sat Aug  5 15:25:31 2006
From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:25:31 -0700
Subject: Bucky Bug
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> On the same vein. "Bucky Bug" reads like its something aimed for 3-5 
> year olds. I know that Bucky is a character from old Silly Symphonies, 
> but I have only recently seen those new stories appearing. Anyone know 
> why they are making those now? Have they started to re-use to 
> characters in cartoons or something and then decided to make a comic 
> version as well?
>
> Are they popular among the readers?  Has publishers made polls or 
> something? I don't like them that much, so I am trying to figure out 
> if anyone else does.Since so many older characters are now banned by 
> Egmont for example Moby Duck, I just can?t get why they do stories 
> about Bucky Bug but not Moby Duck (except for those Italian Bay 
> stories, which are actually good).
>
> Are publishers trying to meet a quota with these? Perhaps their deal 
> with Disney includes a clause that "requires" them to use certain 
> characters besides just ducks and mice.


Unfortunately, as far as I know, nobody is making new Bucky Bug stories 
outside of The Netherlands. I wouldn't even have known that, if Daan 
Jippes hadn't mentioned it the one time I met him in San Diego (mid 
1990s). Those stories don't have the one quality that stands out so 
strongly to me, the fact that they're written in meter and rhyme -- he 
told me the character remains popular there because of the contrast 
between his tiny world and the one we live in.

And yes, the stories, at least the ones that originated in English, are 
aimed at very young readers, a perfectly legitimate demographic. In 
fact, it was while reading a stack of 1940s WDC&S aloud to a 
stepdaughter in that range (circa 1980)  that I became a fan of the 
series. I started reading them for the Barks (who goes over great with 
ALL ages), but continued with Li'l Bad Wolf, which she liked well enough 
(tho I was already a big fan, fascinated by what I call his existential 
dilemma), and Bucky -- and it was when I read Bucky, whom I'd never paid 
much attention to before, that the whole room lit up. The moment I 
started reading the first one, I knew I had a winner. (After a few 
months, when I told her I was running out of unread ones -- I have about 
80-90% -- she said I should buy more.)

About ten years later, Bucky became the first Disney character I wrote. 
Talking with Bob Foster, when he was editor of WDC&S, I found out Bob 
was a fan of Bucky too, so I took it into my head to write the first new 
one since the '50s. He bought it, and about a dozen more (most 
environmental PSAs in the 1-2 page range, tho there are three real 
stories that I'm quite proud of), but they've never been illustrated -- 
they're currently sitting around in a filing cabinet, and in case any 
Disney publisher ever wants to publish them and can't find that filing 
cabinet, I'll be glad to provide fresh copies.

When I was writing American dialog for Gladstone, I badgered John Clark 
into getting a half-dozen of those Dutch stories, so I could write 
rhyming dialog for them. They remain my only published Bucky Bug work, 
tho I do like to place cameos of him (a picture on a wall, somebody 
dressing as him at a costume party, etc.) when I can dream up a 
not-too-obtrusive way, in my Mickey Mouse stories.

But by an odd coincidence, I happen to have scheduled some Bucky Bug 
work later today. His 75th anniversary is coming up (tho he did appear 
in a Silly Symphony nine months after his print debut, he's the very 
first Disney character to start in comics), and David Gerstein managed 
to talk the PTB at Gemstone into commemorating the fact with a new story.

Will this lead to a full-scale revival, including resurrecting my early 
work? Sure, why not? Hold your breath. But it is fun to be working on 
Bucky again.

(You can read about him at http://www.toonopedia.com/buckybug.htm)

Quack, Don



From jerryblake2 at juno.com  Sat Aug  5 15:32:36 2006
From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (jerryblake2 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:32:36 GMT
Subject: "Filler" stories
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From winnendewouter at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  5 17:10:52 2006
From: winnendewouter at hotmail.com (Wouter van de Zandschulp)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:10:52 +0000
Subject: filler stories
Message-ID: <BAY122-F17FFD89AC622815E7F5E0D5510@phx.gbl>


Kai Saarto wrote about 'filler stories' in weeklies, featuring Zeke Wolf, 
Hiawatha, Bucky Bug and others.

I am from Holland, where there is a great tradition in our weekly magazine 
to use these stories. I believe this is because the weekly started out with 
American stories like these and they decided not to just get rid of those 
characters after those stories where mostly published. That's why dutch 
artist started producing these stories themself. A lot of them are drawn by 
ComicUp Studio artist these days.

They reason they keep producing them might also be the variety of characters 
the weekly thus contains. The dutch weekly produces a magazine with several 
'worlds' and characters and is very divers. Readers get Donald every week, 
Mickey most weeks, but also some other colorful animals, like dogs, wolves, 
mice, etc. Also, the dutch magazine gives a lot of attention to the younger 
readers, which these shorter stories are more suitable for.

Finally, considering Zeke Wolf, I guess a lot of dutch people just have a 
thing for him. The way he keeps chasing the pigs year after year...
Now most of his stories are the work of ComicUp Studios, but there used to 
be another artist who gave the wolf sort of a world of his own, which 
probably contributed greatly to his popularity.



From ole at disneycomics.dk  Sat Aug  5 21:44:10 2006
From: ole at disneycomics.dk (Ole Damgaard)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:44:10 +0200
Subject: Filler stories
References: <44D3837B.9010500@mbnet.fi>
Message-ID: <000e01c6b8c7$85c264b0$73355c53@oles>


Kai Saarto wrote:
>90% of time Zeke tries to capture the three little pigs

Yes, well, that *is* Zekes destiny, isn't it?

The late, great danish poet Dan T?rell once wrote about the day, when Zeke 
did actually catch the three little pigs once and for all.
After a lot of soul-searching Zeke finally realized, that there was only one 
thing for him to do after this; and that was to let them go again.
Because what was there to do for him next? He had no other goals in life 
than to catch these pigs, and his life suddenly felt empty and hollow.
So, you see, that is why the forest universe never evolves. It would mean 
the end of Zeke as we know him.


Uncle Danny was a great poet.  :-)



/ole 




From robertmhutchings at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  6 05:27:07 2006
From: robertmhutchings at yahoo.com (Robert Hutchings)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: April, May, and June as Chickadees
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1154772781.29395.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <20060806032707.4041.qmail@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Elain wrote:

<<<<<Has anyone ever made April, May & June 
members of
the Chickadees?>>>>>

I reply:

The answer is yes. Barks referred to the sisters as
Chickadees in his story "Whale of a Good Deed," in
which the Jr. Woodchucks rescue a whale from Uncle
Scrooge's clutches following a great flood (HD&L Jr.
Woodchucks #7). I don't know off hand if Barks made
any other such inclusions. I do know that a number of
non-Barks stories exist in which April, May, and June
play the role of "primary" Chickadees, just as Huey,
Dewey, and Louie are always the focus of Jr. Woodchuck
stories. If memory serves me right, these stories are
found almost entirely in the HDL Jr. Woodchucks
series. WDCS and others may have had a couple as well.
I don't know who the authors/artists are, and as I
don't have any issues on hand to check, I seem to
think they were often Vic Lockman and Tony Strobl, but
I might be completely off base here. I haven't figured
out a way yet to search INDUCKS for this information,
but perhaps there's a way.

Regards,

Robert

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From vernonmeiers at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 00:51:28 2006
From: vernonmeiers at gmail.com (Vernon Meiers)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 00:51:28 +0200
Subject: Ringtail author
In-Reply-To: <000201c6b848$37515130$c8abfc40@Narnia>
References: <000201c6b848$37515130$c8abfc40@Narnia>
Message-ID: <a8e70df00608051551g77daf617nd608324de04c3ddf@mail.gmail.com>

Inducks is right. This is a known error by Gladstone.
Vernon

On 8/5/06, Elaine Ramshaw <elaine1 at snet.net> wrote:
>
> I just saw that INDUCKS lists the author of "The Last Voyage of Ringtail
> van
> Dukke" as Evert Geradts. In Gladstone's DDA 39, the author was listed as
> Jan
> Kruse. Which is correct? Since this story is one of my very favorite duck
> stories by someone other than Barks or Rosa, I want to give credit where
> credit is due!
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 05:25:27
Subject: Searching for April, May, and June as Chickadees
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From danshane at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug  6 12:41:29 2006
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 06:41:29 -0400
Subject: Bucky Bug
In-Reply-To: <44D49C4B.1090309@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001801c6b944$e0870ea0$6600a8c0@DSHANEITLT>


DON MARKSTEIN WRITES:

> And yes, the stories, at least the ones that originated in 
> English, are aimed at very young readers, a perfectly 
> legitimate demographic. In fact, it was while reading a stack 
> of 1940s WDC&S aloud to a stepdaughter in that range (circa 
> 1980)  that I became a fan of the series. I started reading 
> them for the Barks (who goes over great with ALL ages), but 
> continued with Li'l Bad Wolf, which she liked well enough 
> (tho I was already a big fan, fascinated by what I call his 
> existential dilemma), and Bucky -- and it was when I read 
> Bucky, whom I'd never paid much attention to before, that the 
> whole room lit up. The moment I started reading the first 
> one, I knew I had a winner. 

	*** SNIP ***

> But by an odd coincidence, I happen to have scheduled some 
> Bucky Bug work later today. His 75th anniversary is coming up 
> (tho he did appear in a Silly Symphony nine months after his 
> print debut, he's the very first Disney character to start in 
> comics), and David Gerstein managed to talk the PTB at 
> Gemstone into commemorating the fact with a new story.
> 

AND I RESPOND:

I'm tickled to hear that Bucky is making a reappearance soon, Don.  I share
your enthusiasm for variety in the Disney comics, including Bucky and Li'l
Bad Wolf.  

My family had very little money when I was young, and even at a dime comics
were rare purchases and highly treasured.  Until I was 12 (and began earning
my own cash) I owned precisely 4 Disney issues handed down from my older
brothers.  Li'l Wolf and Bucky Bug stories were there among the Ducks and
Mickey tales (Barks and Murry, respectively), and I held every one dear.  

As I got older the Ducks held my interest more strongly, but I always
remembered how special the other characters were when my tiny collection was
just getting started.  Today there are too many mass entertainment venues,
so "Hey Kids! Comics!" can probably never again be the special rallying call
it was when I was small.  But I hope *all* the Disney comic characters have
many years ahead of them.


Dan


From tklein28 at aol.com  Sun Aug  6 12:44:42 2006
From: tklein28 at aol.com (Todd Klein)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 06:44:42 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1154859182.13542.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1154859182.13542.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <aed9dc94a38b472595bd96b11c06467b@aol.com>

Hi All,

I'm delurking to once again ask for some translation help. Some of you 
have been very gracious with this in the past, and I'm thankful for 
that. This time I have four sentences that I need translated from 
English to Dutch. It's for an upcoming League of Extraordinary 
Gentlemen book by Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill. Please email me 
off-list if you have the time and are willing to try it. Thanks very 
much, and sorry for the non-Disney topic.

Todd Klein

tklein28 at comcast.net


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Sun Aug  6 17:02:00 2006
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:02:00 +0200
Subject: filler stories
References: <mailman.1.1154859182.13542.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <002f01c6b969$450814e0$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>

> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:10:52 +0000
> From: "Wouter van de Zandschulp" <winnendewouter at hotmail.com>

> Finally, considering Zeke Wolf, I guess a lot of dutch people just have a
> thing for him. The way he keeps chasing the pigs year after year...
> Now most of his stories are the work of ComicUp Studios, but there used to
> be another artist who gave the wolf sort of a world of his own, which
> probably contributed greatly to his popularity.
I guess you mean the 1960s Bad Wolf stories by Toonder Studio. Was artist 
Piet Wijn working there? (Known from "Douwe Dabbert".)

For me the Toonder Studio are Dutch Wolf stories that are really exciting, 
if only for the Toonderish art. What I like a lot is the good ladies club, 
with one sheephead-lady playing organ. (Juffrouw Schaapkens.) I think these 
Dutch stories are an addition to the American Wolf stories (WDC etc.).
Toonder Studio has also made Hiawatha-stories which showed an indian village 
with secondary characters. For example, a medicine man who's always wearing 
a mask. And a woman beating up her husband with a tennis racket, so that the 
man always wears bandage around his head

Best, Dani?l 



From olof.siverbo at bostream.nu  Sun Aug  6 19:46:41 2006
From: olof.siverbo at bostream.nu (Olof Siverbo)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:46:41 +0200
Subject: Crazy birds
In-Reply-To: <809BD95E8B2E71429846F0BDB113D87E58419D@RASAREXC01.sar.top.local>
Message-ID: <84DD7300-2573-11DB-85EF-000A9580A280@bostream.nu>

Niels Houlberg Hansen:

> Is there anybody who could tell me the original name of the crazy bird
> that's driving Donald crazy in the opening Dick Moores story of Donald
> Duck #34/1954?
> http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DD+++34-02

According to Donald Duck collector Karl-Erik Lindkvist, the original 
name of the bird is "Flat Footed Floogle".

/Olof


From elaine1 at snet.net  Sun Aug  6 22:23:53 2006
From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:23:53 -0400
Subject: Chickadees
Message-ID: <002701c6b996$3d25acb0$c8abfc40@Narnia>

Thanks, Robert. Since we haven't got "Whale of a Good Deed" redrawn by
Jippes yet, I didn't realize Barks himself had enrolled AM&J in the
Chickadees. (AM&J don't show up among the Chickadees in either Maple Sugar
Time or Eagle Savers.) I just today went through all the HDLJWs in INDUCKS
and looked for AM&J/Chickadees in the characters list; there's probably a
quicker way on an advanced search, but I was curious to see what percentage
of the HDLJW comics had stories featuring the girls. Kai Saarto also told me
about a battle-of-the-sexes story with JWs vs. Chickadees (incl. AM&J) in MM
124. 




From ksaarto at mbnet.fi  Mon Aug  7 12:37:51 2006
From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:37:51 +0300
Subject: Direct references to Barks-stories
In-Reply-To: <BAY117-DAV10EBB35E58E881EF9691C8CD5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <44CDE8FB.5000004@mbnet.fi>
	<BAY117-DAV10EBB35E58E881EF9691C8CD5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44D717FF.5090400@mbnet.fi>

Timo Ronkainen wrote:
> At least there is Return to Bear Mountain by Tom Anderson and Daniel 
> Branca. Kind of sequel to the famous Barks story. (No Finnish 
> translation of that yet. You can find it in Donald Duck Adventures 
> #32-33.)

I was just checking on that. "Return to Bear Mountain" is the title seen
on cover of that DDA issue, however INDUCKS lists story as "Crazy
Christmas on Bear Mountain".  Can someone confirm which it is?  I'd
rather trust the name on the cover, but perhaps its more of an
advertisement than than the actual title?





From nhh at ra.sa.dk  Mon Aug  7 12:43:51 2006
From: nhh at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:43:51 +0200
Subject: Crazy Birds
Message-ID: <809BD95E8B2E71429846F0BDB113D87E5841A9@RASAREXC01.sar.top.local>

Olof:
>According to Donald Duck collector Karl-Erik Lindkvist, the original
name of the bird is "Flat Footed Floogle".

Thanks to you and Karl-Erik!

Niels


From ksaarto at mbnet.fi  Mon Aug  7 12:44:54 2006
From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:44:54 +0300
Subject: Return to Bear Mountain
Message-ID: <44D719A6.6020604@mbnet.fi>

Nevermind my question, I think I figured it out after I managed to 
scroll INDUCKS page all the way down...

DDA version is indeed named "Return to Bear Mountain", but original 
Egmont title is "Crazy Christmas on Bear Mountain". Not so much 
different than changing the title while translating the story to 
different language.

From Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no  Mon Aug  7 10:14:55 2006
From: Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Halsten_Aasteb=F8l?=)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:14:55 +0200
Subject: Bucky Bug
In-Reply-To: <001801c6b944$e0870ea0$6600a8c0@DSHANEITLT>
Message-ID: <01f401c6b9f9$912d7af0$ce1ff181@eelk1180>

Hi!

I'm little confused now: I thought Bucky Bug was the non-Disney character
associated with Porky Pig etc. Isn't the rabbit in Disney comics called Brer
Rabbit in English?

Halsten

-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at nafsk.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at nafsk.se] On Behalf Of Dan
Shane
Sent: 6. august 2006 12:41
To: ddmarkstein at cox.net; dcml at nafsk.se
Subject: RE: Bucky Bug


DON MARKSTEIN WRITES:

> And yes, the stories, at least the ones that originated in 
> English, are aimed at very young readers, a perfectly 
> legitimate demographic. In fact, it was while reading a stack 
> of 1940s WDC&S aloud to a stepdaughter in that range (circa 
> 1980)  that I became a fan of the series. I started reading 
> them for the Barks (who goes over great with ALL ages), but 
> continued with Li'l Bad Wolf, which she liked well enough 
> (tho I was already a big fan, fascinated by what I call his 
> existential dilemma), and Bucky -- and it was when I read 
> Bucky, whom I'd never paid much attention to before, that the 
> whole room lit up. The moment I started reading the first 
> one, I knew I had a winner. 

	*** SNIP ***

> But by an odd coincidence, I happen to have scheduled some 
> Bucky Bug work later today. His 75th anniversary is coming up 
> (tho he did appear in a Silly Symphony nine months after his 
> print debut, he's the very first Disney character to start in 
> comics), and David Gerstein managed to talk the PTB at 
> Gemstone into commemorating the fact with a new story.
> 

AND I RESPOND:

I'm tickled to hear that Bucky is making a reappearance soon, Don.  I share
your enthusiasm for variety in the Disney comics, including Bucky and Li'l
Bad Wolf.  

My family had very little money when I was young, and even at a dime comics
were rare purchases and highly treasured.  Until I was 12 (and began earning
my own cash) I owned precisely 4 Disney issues handed down from my older
brothers.  Li'l Wolf and Bucky Bug stories were there among the Ducks and
Mickey tales (Barks and Murry, respectively), and I held every one dear.  

As I got older the Ducks held my interest more strongly, but I always
remembered how special the other characters were when my tiny collection was
just getting started.  Today there are too many mass entertainment venues,
so "Hey Kids! Comics!" can probably never again be the special rallying call
it was when I was small.  But I hope *all* the Disney comic characters have
many years ahead of them.


Dan

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From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Mon Aug  7 16:46:44 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:46:44 +0200
Subject: Bucky Bug
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56EB255C@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

Halsten Aasteb?l:

> I'm little confused now: I thought Bucky Bug was the 
> non-Disney character
> associated with Porky Pig etc.

That's Bugs Bunny. 8-)

Bucky Bug is a... bug. And a Disney comics character.

--Harry.

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From Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no  Tue Aug  8 09:21:41 2006
From: Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Halsten_Aasteb=F8l?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:21:41 +0200
Subject: Bucky Bug
In-Reply-To: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56EB255C@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>
Message-ID: <007c01c6babb$4be94fb0$ce1ff181@eelk1180>

Ahem!
As you can see, I'm not just a little confused. Completely off the rocker
maybe. I have no further questions :-)

Thanks for the information anyway!

Halsten

-----Original Message-----
From: Fluks, H.W. (Harry) [mailto:harry.fluks at tno.nl] 
Sent: 7. august 2006 16:47
To: Halsten Aasteb?l; dcml at nafsk.se
Subject: RE: Bucky Bug

Halsten Aasteb?l:

> I'm little confused now: I thought Bucky Bug was the 
> non-Disney character
> associated with Porky Pig etc.

That's Bugs Bunny. 8-)

Bucky Bug is a... bug. And a Disney comics character.

--Harry.

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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Aug  8 11:26:23 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:26:23 +0200
Subject: Nephews
Message-ID: <00b701c6bacc$b71ca3c0$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Don Markstein wrote:

> [Huey, Dewey and Louie] are absolutely interchangeable.
> [...]
> SPEAKING AS A DUCK WRITER, I don't distinguish among
> them at all.

I agree 100%.

HDL being interchangeable is the whole *point* of HDL.

Lars

From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Aug  8 16:11:11 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:11:11 +0200
Subject: nephews
Message-ID: <015101c6baf4$80962d30$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Elaine Ramshaw wrote:

> So Rosa, for instance, would not do a story where the nephews
> take advantage of their identical appearance to fool someone else.
> Barks actually did have the nephews try (unsuccessfully!) to fool
> Donald in this way, in the ten-pager in WDCS 71 (which Gladstone
> named "Swimming Swindlers"); perhaps Donald had already at that
> early stage developed his eye for detail.

No, as far as I know the "eye for detail" idea originated decades later
in Don Rosa's story "An Eye for Detail" (which you mention further up
in your post).

Lars

From vernonmeiers at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 16:52:25 2006
From: vernonmeiers at gmail.com (Vernon Meiers)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:52:25 +0200
Subject: April, May, and June as Chickadees
In-Reply-To: <20060806032707.4041.qmail@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.0.1154772781.29395.dcml@nafsk.se>
	<20060806032707.4041.qmail@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a8e70df00608080752n5351ac14r4c53eb5a9dd30e35@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/6/06, Robert Hutchings <robertmhutchings at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Elain wrote:
>
> <<<<<Has anyone ever made April, May & June
> members of
> the Chickadees?>>>>>
>
> I reply:
>
> The answer is yes. I haven't figured
> out a way yet to search INDUCKS for this information,
> but perhaps there's a way.


Just search for both Chickadees and AMJ (April May and June) in the
character field. This
gives 4 Brazilian stories, one Danish and Studio-program story, and one
story in WDCD in addition to what you found:

http://coa.inducks.org/simp.php?showimage=on&d1=chickadees%2Camj&d2=&d4=&creat=&exactpg=&pagel=l

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From olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com  Tue Aug  8 17:48:20 2006
From: olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com (Olaf Moriarty Solstrand)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:48:20 +0200
Subject: nephews
In-Reply-To: <015101c6baf4$80962d30$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>
References: <015101c6baf4$80962d30$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>
Message-ID: <op.tdy16uwe2fq55p@olafsolstrand.belkin>

> Elaine Ramshaw wrote:
>
>> So Rosa, for instance, would not do a story where the nephews
>> take advantage of their identical appearance to fool someone else.
>> Barks actually did have the nephews try (unsuccessfully!) to fool
>> Donald in this way, in the ten-pager in WDCS 71 (which Gladstone
>> named "Swimming Swindlers"); perhaps Donald had already at that
>> early stage developed his eye for detail.

Lars Jensen answered:

> No, as far as I know the "eye for detail" idea originated decades later
> in Don Rosa's story "An Eye for Detail" (which you mention further up
> in your post).

Yes, in the mentioned swimming story, Donald OVERHEARD the nephews  
scheming to trick him by pretending all three of them were Louie. However,  
later in the story, when the scheme is in play, and Dewey comes swimming  
pretending to be Louie, Donald immediately thinks ?that's Dewey!?.



From ktpedersen at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  8 17:34:18 2006
From: ktpedersen at yahoo.com (Kristian Pedersen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Barks self references
Message-ID: <20060808153418.23986.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com>

Frank Bubacz wrote:
>>>>Just for the sake of completion, there's a fourth
example in "The Money 
Champ": The Ducks are talking about their first
encounter with 
Flintheart 
Glomgold and remember unrolling lots of string (see
"The second richest 
Duck"). But I guess that's about it with Barks self
references [...]

I didn't notice anybody mentioning this one yet:
Barks made two tenpagers about new year's resolutions.
In the second one, Donald and the kids keep their vows
in sealed envelopes after a discussion on how last
year they tried getting each other to break them. I
think the stories were published in WDC&S with a
one-year interval between them.

Kristian


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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Tue Aug  8 19:50:28 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:50:28 -0400
Subject: David Gerstein interview about Walt Disney Treasures
Message-ID: <005a01c6bb13$225730b0$9421ef18@deanmary>

If you go to this site:http://www.comicon.com/pulse/ you should be able to link to an interview with David Gerstein about the recently published Walt Disney Treasures TPB.  It is a nice, informative interview.

P.S. for David.  Now that I have helped promo your interview, can you perhaps give us a little more info about upcoming Gemstone projects, especially a rumored Barks and/or Gottfredson archival series?  Hey, I *know* deep down you want to! :)  We won't tell anyone! :)
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From mje at inducks.org  Tue Aug  8 20:13:15 2006
From: mje at inducks.org (Mads Jensen)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:13:15 +0200
Subject: Gottfredson Sundays and 1956-1975 ?
Message-ID: <44D8D43B.9080607@inducks.org>

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Hi,

I have been reading quite a lot of Gottfredson's strips in the past
year. I'm familiar with the fact that the dailies from 1930-1955 have
been collected, but has anyone here got insider knowledge about anybody
having does with the remaining 20 years (1956-1975) worth of strips by
him ? One thing more, as the topic suggests; the Sunday strips from
1932-1938 equally seem not to be collected ? I can understand the
1956-1975, since they're gag-a-gag and would become dull to read after a
while. The Sunday strips were containing a mixture of both adventure and
gag strips.

Is anyone able of making a scans of "Il grande Floyd Gottfredson" ? I
think I read somewhere that the script for the book was lost.

Any help is appreacited.

Thank you,
- --
Mads Jensen

Dansk Donaldist-Forening - http://ddfr.dk
INDUCKS - http://inducks.org
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From elaine1 at snet.net  Wed Aug  9 04:33:07 2006
From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:33:07 -0400
Subject: nephews
Message-ID: <000201c6bb5c$2a57f2b0$c8abfc40@Narnia>

Right, Olaf, Donald can tell which nephew he's seeing. But I still think
that he might have been fooled if he hadn't overheard their plans. Someone's
who's not alerted to the fact that look-alikes will switch places is more
likely to be fooled. You simply don't look carefully, because you assume
it's the person you're expecting. That's certainly my experience with
identical twins in the family. If we really looked at them, we could
certainly tell which one we were looking at; but if they switched places,
that would usually lead even family members to confuse them because we
wouldn't look carefully (well, I never confused them, but I had a reputation
to maintain, so I *always* looked first). And incidentally, only the
immediate family could reliably tell them apart even by looking carefully,
when they were children. All others could consistently be fooled
indefinitely if the twins, say, switched seats at school. 

This, of course, is a naturalistic explanation of how identical siblings
work, which I bring up only because it seems relevant to the action in WDC
71 (or, at least, to my understanding of the action). I'm quite willing to
go along with the notion that HD&L are preternaturally identical, that the
fact that they are interchangeable in character as well as appearance is, as
Lars put it, the whole *point* of HD&L. And that then you need Donald to
have developed a preternaturally good "eye for detail" in order to tell them
apart! At the same time, I'm interested in how various writers might choose
to deal with this issue in different ways--hence my curiosity re: the
McGreals' "Happy Birthday Times 3". 




From ddmarkstein at cox.net  Wed Aug  9 12:50:28 2006
From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:50:28 -0700
Subject: Barks continuity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155118384.10580.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155118384.10580.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <44D9BDF4.20307@cox.net>

Twice, several years apart, Barks mentioned that one of the Beagle Boys 
liked prunes. As far as I know, it's the only individual trait he ever 
gave a Beagle Boy, who otherwise were almost as much alike as Nephews. 
It's also an example of continuity in his stories. And by the way, 
that's what initially turned me off to DuckTales -- the fact that you 
could tell one Beagle from another without reading his number. They even 
had different names. Booo!

Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical 
triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In 
fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely 
identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and 
the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy.

Quack, Don


From bangfish at cableone.net  Wed Aug  9 16:18:15 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:18:15 -0700
Subject: The Nephews
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155118384.10580.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155118384.10580.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <F21C53C9-9F34-455B-8603-AC2C09870E1B@cableone.net>

Elaine:

> I'm quite willing to
> go along with the notion that HD&L are preternaturally identical,  
> that the
> fact that they are interchangeable in character as well as  
> appearance is, as
> Lars put it, the whole *point* of HD&L.

And what makes them fun. Sure, writers have at times instilled  
particular nephews with particular physical and/or personality traits  
for the sake of specific stories, but so far none of these one-off  
traits has become permanently affixed. May it always be so.

Gary
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From marvinw at zahav.net.il  Thu Aug 10 15:49:05 2006
From: marvinw at zahav.net.il (Marvinw)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:49:05 +0200
Subject: Disney Standard Characters
Message-ID: <003101c6bc83$c11d5320$9abde454@euronet.euronet>

In the link by deanmary, David gave the following: 

GERSTEIN: At this point, Gemstone's publishing license covers only the Disney "Standard Characters" - Mickey, Donald, the Silly Symphonies characters and their respective worlds - and some other characters who appeared in WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES
 
One of the earliest issues of Gemstone included a story with Jose Carioca and Panchito from Three Caballeros.

However some of the most loved Disney characters also appeared in the golden era of WDC&S including:

Dopey, Figaro, Dumbo, Thumper, Gus the Gremlin (appearing in a Dark Horse Comic in Sept.), Brer Rabbit, Bongo, Little Toot, Tinker Bell, and Lady and Tramp.

In MHOP, instead of Bucky Bug and the Big Bad Wolf, I would prefer new stories or reprints of the above.

I hope that Gemstone can get by "Standard Character",  at least on a one-off basis.
 
With huge numbers of DVD's sold of the animated Disney Films,  there should be a revitalized interest in the great classic characters.
Marvin Winitz
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From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 10 23:13:42 2006
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:13:42 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 13 (identical twins & triplets)
Message-ID: <081020062113.10298.44DBA1860000511F0000283A2207022933CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

Don Markstein wrote:

> Twice, several years apart, Barks mentioned that one of the Beagle Boys 
> liked prunes. As far as I know, it's the only individual trait he ever 
> gave a Beagle Boy, who otherwise were almost as much alike as Nephews. 
> It's also an example of continuity in his stories. And by the way, 
> that's what initially turned me off to DuckTales -- the fact that you 
> could tell one Beagle from another without reading his number. They even 
> had different names. Booo! 

The "identifying" of Beagles on DT didn't strike me as an "inferior" idea in the least -- merely different.  Vic Lockman created plenty of "specialty" Beagle Boys in his stories.  The only difference between that convention and the one used on DT was that the "specialty" B-Boys still looked like the "regulars" (though Intellectual-176 did wear glasses, as I recall).

> Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical 
> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In 
> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely 
> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and 
> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy. 

Thomson and Thompson from Tintin immediately come to mind.  The only difference between them was that one had more curve in his mustache; it was the sort of thing that you'd miss if you blinked.  (Given Don Rosa's "An Eye for Detail", I'll bet Donald could have told them apart with little trouble.)  And Henry Boltinoff (I think) created Dover and Clover -- oddly enough, also a pair of twin detectives -- for DC Comics in the 1940s.

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From dghez at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 10 23:39:57 2006
From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:39:57 +0200
Subject: Disney History blog
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV951F03A1F5982DB915A9CBB4A0@phx.gbl>

Hi,

I have just launched this week the Disney History blog and posted today some vintage pages from a Disney comics drawn in Croatia in the '30s. There will be more extremly rare vintage Disney comics from around the world coming soon on that blog.

Disney History blog: http://disneybooks.blogspot.com

Have a great weekend.

Didier 
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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Thu Aug 10 15:25:54 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:25:54
Subject: identical twins & triplets
Message-ID: <200608102223.k7AMNl97002009@nix.europoint.se>

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From shadslists at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 00:44:42 2006
From: shadslists at gmail.com (Shad Daly)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:44:42 -0600
Subject: Barks continuity
Message-ID: <b6e96fab0608101544j50202b81rd85d8e451caeee0a@mail.gmail.com>

> From: "Donald D. Markstein" <ddmarkstein at cox.net>
>
> Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical
> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that matter. In
> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any absolutely
> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the Terrytoons stars, and
> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy.

Well, Heckle & Jeckle aren't 100% identical -- one talks with a
British accent, and the other with a Brooklyn accent.  And are they
really twins?  I didn't even know they were brothers (but I may have
missed that).


-- 
Shad Z.                      ^Q^
My Blog: http://shadzane.livejournal.com
My Web Site: http://shadz.homestead.com/files/

From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Fri Aug 11 13:08:45 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:08:45 EDT
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14 (Identical Triplets) 
Message-ID: <4c2.6bb0499.320dbf3d@aol.com>

Everyone: 
 
Don Marksten writes and several others offer replies to the  following:

>>Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of  identical
> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that  matter. In
> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any  absolutely
> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the  Terrytoons stars, and
> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast  trilogy.>>
 
What about April, May, and June?  Or the Beagle Brats?  Okay,  so they are 
"spinoffs" created to directly counter HD&L  (Girls to  Boys and Bad to Good), 
but they still count!  
 
Beep Beep the Road Runner (The one who spoke in RHYME like Bucky Bug - as  
opposed to Chuck Jones' Road Runner)  had three identical SONS (!) in the  Dell 
and Gold Key comics. 
 
...And, didn't Popeye have FOUR identical nephews in the Famous Studios  
cartoons?  
 
Joe Torcivia. 




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From elaine1 at snet.net  Fri Aug 11 14:17:31 2006
From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:17:31 -0400
Subject: Think Box Bollix
Message-ID: <001901c6bd40$228891d0$c8abfc40@Narnia>

Gemstone folks: Has Think Box Bollix been scheduled yet for reprinting in
DDF? (I can check previews of all the other comics on Amazon.) My godson
wants to see it as backstory for "The Duck Who Never Was," and I'm wondering
whether I have to get it in an album or back issue from Gladstone, or
whether Gemstone will provide.




From ddmarkstein at cox.net  Fri Aug 11 17:42:52 2006
From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:42:52 -0700
Subject: Twins
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155291182.12340.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155291182.12340.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <44DCA57C.2010109@cox.net>


> Thomson and Thompson from _Tintin_ immediately come to mind.  The only 
> difference between them was that one had more curve in his mustache; 
> it was the sort of thing that you'd miss if you blinked.  (Given Don 
> Rosa's "An Eye for Detail", I'll bet Donald could have told them apart 
> with little trouble.)  And Henry Boltinoff (I think) created Dover and 
> Clover -- oddly enough, also a pair of twin detectives -- for DC 
> Comics in the 1940s. 


Dover and Clover! Of course! I even wrote about them in the Toonopedia 
(http://www.toonopedia.com/doverclo.htm). (And yes, they were created by 
Henry Boltinoff.) Don't know how I managed not to be able to think of 
them. As for the Thompsons, I'm not a big fan of Tintin. Now that you 
mention it, I recall them, but I'd never have thought of them on my own. 
And now that I'm thinking a little more about it, there's also Rube 
Goldberg's Mike & Ike (they look alike).

>
> Well, Heckle & Jeckle aren't 100% identical -- one talks with a
> British accent, and the other with a Brooklyn accent.  And are they
> really twins?  I didn't even know they were brothers (but I may have
> missed that).

Sure, Heckle and Jeckle talk differently. But even Dayton Allen, who did 
both voices, didn't know which was which. The accents argue against 
their actually being brothers, but related or not, they sure were identical!

Quack, Don


From gdavid at gemstonepub.com  Fri Aug 11 20:42:08 2006
From: gdavid at gemstonepub.com (David Gerstein)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:42:08 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14
Message-ID: <BC2665743C17384DA985DFC38E76AABD01C77EC3@dcdtimexcsrv.diamondcomics.com>

	Joe,

>> Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of  identical
>> triplets in comics -- or in stories in general, for that  matter. In
>> fact, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any  absolutely
>> identical twins, other than Heckle & Jeckle, the  Terrytoons stars, and
>> the twins in Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast  trilogy.>>
> 
> What about April, May, and June?  Or the Beagle Brats?  Okay,  so they are 
> "spinoffs" created to directly counter HD&L  (Girls to  Boys and Bad to Good), 
> but they still count!

	The Phantom Blot has triplet nephews in the Brazilian comics, doesn't he?
	And outside of Disney, Felix the Cat used to have triplet nephews, though in the 1940s the three were reduced to two.

	Best, David
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From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 11 20:52:23 2006
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:52:23 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <BC2665743C17384DA985DFC38E76AABD01C77EC3@dcdtimexcsrv.diamondcomics.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-F8D9DE1942E5E8E208E81CBC4B0@phx.gbl>

Joe sad:

>What about April, May, and June?  Or the Beagle Brats?  Okay,  so they are 
>"spinoffs" created to directly counter HD&L  (Girls to  Boys and Bad to 
>Good), but they still count!


Then David said:

>	The Phantom Blot has triplet nephews in the Brazilian 
>cohttp://by111fd.bay111.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?type=ra&msg=DB465965-1600-41C7-A3F1-7F956CC3FADF&start=0&len=6310&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=1c9b76004ecf310985f48289b62aea04e26e089f6a44f67f0aa2b1c60ea0f506#
Sendmics, doesn't he?
>	And outside of Disney, Felix the Cat used to have triplet nephews, though 
>in the 1940s the three were reduced to two.


Then Jonathan said:


OK see - I can take the Phantom Brat, but I just don't think I could ever 
accept what I've now officially dubbed "Hubris, Doomis, and Lewdness". :P

As for Felix the Cat and the case of the dissapearing nephew: Obviously 
Felix either ate the other one or stuffed him inside the magic bag alongside 
Area 52 and the Loch Ness Monster. BA DUM TISH!!! (emphasis on dum) ^_^



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug 12 14:14:07 2006
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:14:07 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14 (Identical Triplets) 
In-Reply-To: <4c2.6bb0499.320dbf3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003201c6be08$cfb85de0$6600a8c0@DSHANEITLT>

JOE WROTE:
 
 ...And, didn't Popeye have FOUR identical nephews in the Famous Studios
cartoons?   
  
 
AND I REPLY:
 
I remember four -- Peepeye, Poopeye, Pipeye, Pupeye.
 
Dan
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From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Sat Aug 12 16:40:09 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:40:09 EDT
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 15 (Blot Nephews?)   
Message-ID: <c16.13b21e7.320f4249@aol.com>

Everyone: 
 
David Gerstein wrote:

>>The Phantom Blot has triplet nephews in the Brazilian comics,  doesn't he?>>
Really?!   Like Jonathan Gray, I feel that would be TOO MUCH  to take... and 
there are few greater Blot Boosters than I!  Also with  Jonathan, I loved the 
Phantom Brat, but don't think I want to see this!  
 
Of course, the "Blot Boys" could always team up with the Beagle Brats  and 
REMAKE those Silver Age Phantom Blot / Beagle Boys  stories (Time Machine/Money 
Tree Seeds and Lighter Than Air Pirate Ship)  for a new generation!  
 
Joe Torcivia.



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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Sat Aug 12 11:16:08 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:16:08
Subject: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
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From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sat Aug 12 23:01:41 2006
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:01:41 +0200
Subject: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
References: <200608121813.k7CIDq4a024733@nix.europoint.se>
Message-ID: <000a01c6be52$82a4c530$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>

>>>>From: "Rich" <xephyr at cwnet.com>
>>>> Here's a picture of the sets of Disney Triplets I'm familiar with:
>>>> http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DisneyTriplets.gif


Thanks, Rich, but I can't see it. Am I the only one?



Olivier


From frankbubacz at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 13 01:15:46 2006
From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:15:46 +0200
Subject: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
Message-ID: <BAY102-F104FB49F98C8A6DC5BB131B2480@phx.gbl>

Hi,

Great picture.

>There may be more [twins], but I can't recall them at the moment

As far as I remember Brer Rabbit has twin nephews, too, and Gladstone Gander 
has twin nieces. But will we ever know who is the uncle of the Three Little 
Pigs? (Peter Pig? Soapy Slick? P.J. McBrine?)

Frank



From sherif.elian at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 01:32:48 2006
From: sherif.elian at gmail.com (Sherif elian)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 02:32:48 +0300
Subject: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
In-Reply-To: <000a01c6be52$82a4c530$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>
References: <200608121813.k7CIDq4a024733@nix.europoint.se>
	<000a01c6be52$82a4c530$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>
Message-ID: <ff5489f10608121632jc107b88u6e547483e4e848cc@mail.gmail.com>

here it is (Attached)



On 8/13/06, Olivier <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >>>>From: "Rich" <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> >>>> Here's a picture of the sets of Disney Triplets I'm familiar with:
> >>>> http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DisneyTriplets.gif
>
>
> Thanks, Rich, but I can't see it. Am I the only one?
>
>
>
> Olivier
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
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From danshane at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug 13 13:15:24 2006
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:15:24 -0400
Subject: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
In-Reply-To: <200608121813.k7CIDq4a024733@nix.europoint.se>
Message-ID: <002a01c6bec9$c698e290$6600a8c0@DSHANEITLT>

RICH SUBMITS:

> Here's a picture of the sets of Disney Triplets I'm familiar with:
> http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DisneyTriplets.gif
> Included are:
> Donald's nephews
> Daisy's nieces
> Big Bad Wolf's "Three Little Wolves" (who appeared ALSO in 
> comics) Three Little Pigs (though some might not consider 
> them actually to be triples since they had different clothes 
> and personalities) Rockerduck's nephews Beagle Boys, Beagle 
> Babes and Beagle Brats Phantom Blot's nephews
> 
> Not shown, but I've seen them, are
> Minnie's nieces: Molly, Polly & Dolly - I don't have the 
> source :-( Mickey's nephews which, in the 30s & 40s (and 
> maybe 50s) did depict him being accompanied by 3 nephews on 
> many occassions (when they frequently wore their nightshirts 
> and ribboned hats) and one of which was named "Monty" (of 
> course Mickey was often shown to have had many more than 3 at 
> times also, but three was a common depiction in the early 
> days until it was normalized to only two).
> I also believe either Br'er Rabbit or Molly Cottontail had 
> triplet relations.
> 
> As for Twins:
> Mickey's Nephews: Morty & Ferdie
> Minnie's Nieces: Melody & Millie (Pammy/Tammy, Millie/Tillie) 
> Minnie's teenage Nieces: Lily & Tiny Jose Carioca's nephews: 
> Zico & Zeca Pete's Nephews: Pierino & Pieretto Bre'r Bear's 
> twin sons Chip'n Dale's nephews: Chit 'n Chat (Zip 'n Zap?) 
> Bucky Bug's nephews: Tic 'n Tac There may be more, but I 
> can't recall them at the moment

AND I RESPOND:

It's a wonder Frederick Wertham didn't jump all over the comics industry for
what he would have discerned to be the obvious use of fertility drugs by
"funny animals".  Oh wait, such drugs didn't appear until the late 1960s, so
that's one thing Wertham couldn't accuse the comic critters of.

So, what was in the water that comic characters drink that led to such an
astounding output?  Whatever it was, it must have had a terrible side
effect, causing the premature demise of so many parents and leaving the
rearing of all these kids to uncles and aunts.


Dan (who had only one set of twins; the rest came one at a time)


From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sun Aug 13 13:58:03 2006
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:58:03 +0200
Subject: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
References: <200608121813.k7CIDq4a024733@nix.europoint.se><000a01c6be52$82a4c530$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>
	<ff5489f10608121632jc107b88u6e547483e4e848cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c6becf$bb304b90$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>

>>>>Subject: Re: A picture of Many Disney Triplets
>>>>here it is (Attached)

Thank you, Sherif Elian, and thbanks again to Rich!
Interesting families.
In all those mentionned, who were the first such twins & triplets in comics (Disney & non-Disney)?

The Katzenjammer Kids were not identical twins, but twins nonetheless.
Mickey had Ferdie and Mortie, but then one of  them was dropped.

I guess there's a comics study to be made on this subject, maybe extending it to The Seven Dwarfs and The Smurfs; the exact relationships are not stated, but both offer instances of  a host of  characters embodying character traits; the Dwarfs are easily distinguishable, but the Smurfs are not, physically speaking.

A few bits from my train of  thought--
The Beagle Boys, brothers and cousins, are usually indiscriminate, with the odd characteristic now and then (prunes, a diploma, a well-educated cousin, ...); they could stand for crime in general, general archetypes of criminals; with their huge family and worldwide association of  kins, they might also act as a sort of  Mafia; then again, they are not just criminal stereotypes, since other thieves and crooks appear and often outwit them.
Speaking of  twins, triplets, identical cousins and stereotypes, "The Many Faces of  Magica De Spell" depicts a society of  literally faceless people, where all are strictly equal, none being more handsome or uglier than the others.



Olivier
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From jerryblake2 at juno.com  Sun Aug 13 17:29:05 2006
From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (jerryblake2 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:29:05 GMT
Subject: Voodoo Hoodoo
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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Sun Aug 13 12:25:28 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:25:28
Subject: Rabbit relations (re: A picture of Many Disney Triplets)
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From ramapith at verizon.net  Mon Aug 14 08:06:27 2006
From: ramapith at verizon.net (David Gerstein)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:06:27 -0400
Subject: Rabbit relations
Message-ID: <0DDCA135-6DD7-4F8D-A48C-799F6C9DD734@verizon.net>

     Rich (and others),

 > Frank Bubacz said:
 >> As far as I remember Brer Rabbit has twin nephews, too, and...
 >
 > Hmmm. i seem to recall triplets, but you might be right.

     These nephews appear very early on, in ZB 46-01-27. They are not  
xapped in Inducks, and it appears that the Dutch remount of the story  
omits them entirely. They appear just long enough to tell Brer Rabbit  
that they're hungry (from the famine), addressing him as "Uncle Brer  
Rabbit"... an awkward turn of phrase, to say the least.

 > But this reminds me that Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (*AFTER* Walt Disney
 > lost creative control and ownersip of the character) also had twin  
nephews.

     I must correct you here... Floyd and Lloyd are Oswald's adopted  
sons, not his nephews. Oswald's friend Toby Bear adopted them for him  
in 1948 comics continuity, and they stuck with him after that until  
the 1990s.

 >> But will we ever know who is the uncle of the Three Little Pigs?
 >
 > The only "uncle" I recall was named Warthog

     I believe you're speaking of the character in WDC 559, right?
     The Pigs' aunt Prissy is in the WDC 279 story. And I've got  
another old Western Publishing story someplace where the Pigs refer  
to a relative named Uncle Sow (that's just so wrong on so many  
levels...)

     David

From ddmarkstein at cox.net  Mon Aug 14 12:48:30 2006
From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:48:30 -0700
Subject: Censorship
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155550382.21595.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155550382.21595.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <44E054FE.4030205@cox.net>


> I've been thinking of ordering some back issues of Gladstone's Carl 
> Barks Library in Color albums, and I wanted to ask, before ordering, 
> if the CBL in Color version of Voodoo Hoodoo is the "censored" one or 
> not. I have the revised version in one of Gladstone's first-run 
> albums, but would buy the CBL in Color album if it's the original 
> version. If anyone knows the answer, please let me know.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Depends on what you call "censored". This is off the top of my head, so 
a detail or two may be askew. When the story was first published, the 
word "dead" was not used in Dell comics, so a zombie was defined as "a 
man who won't stay done fer". When it was reprinted, black dialect 
wasn't used, so the definition was changed to "a man who won't stay dead".

Is one of those uncensored? Which?

Quack, Don


From bangfish at cableone.net  Mon Aug 14 17:27:11 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:27:11 -0700
Subject: Voodoo Hoodoo
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155550382.21595.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155550382.21595.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <E56EEAC4-3E58-46E2-80B7-A44B68A02C06@cableone.net>

Jerry,

> I've been thinking of ordering some back issues of Gladstone's Carl  
> Barks Library in Color albums, and I wanted to ask, before  
> ordering, if the CBL in Color version of Voodoo Hoodoo is the  
> "censored" one or not. I have the revised version in one of  
> Gladstone's first-run albums, but would buy the CBL in Color album  
> if it's the original version. If anyone knows the answer, please  
> let me know.

I hate to dissuade anyone from purchasing a Gladstone album, but the  
version of "Voodoo Hoodoo" in the CBL in Color album is,  
unfortunately, the censored one.

Gary
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From dshane at ius.edu  Mon Aug 14 14:14:29 2006
From: dshane at ius.edu (Shane, Daniel Lee)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:14:29 -0400
Subject: Rabbit relations (re: A picture of Many Disney Triplets)
In-Reply-To: <200608131913.k7DJDhXq029671@nix.europoint.se>
References: <200608131913.k7DJDhXq029671@nix.europoint.se>
Message-ID: <BEF21E46A5D2C4419964AD3B8949A619413090@iu-mssg-mbx107.ads.iu.edu>

RICH NOTES:

But this reminds me that Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (*AFTER* Walt Disney
lost creative control and ownersip of the character) also had twin
nephews. 

AND I COMMENT:


As a side note, Oswald is back in the hands of the Disney studios as in
exchange (in part) for releasing sportscaster Al Michaels from his
ABC/ESPN contract to go to NBC/Universal.  New Disney CEO Bob Iger
wanted Oswald back, and he managed to do it.  Walt Disney's daughter's
words on the subject:

"When Bob (Iger) was named CEO, he told me he wanted to bring Oswald
back to Disney, and I appreciate that he is a man of his word. Having
Oswald around again is going to be a lot of fun."

It seems more than likely that Iger wanted Oswald for more reason than
bragging rights, so the possibility that he may show up in Disney comics
and return as an animated character is real.  Whether his nephews would
appear on screen or in comics could be in doubt, though, since the
Universal Oswald cartoons, comics, and other related goodies didn't come
with the deal -- only the character of Oswald himself.


Dan


From wolfsong at mpinet.net  Mon Aug 14 20:20:19 2006
From: wolfsong at mpinet.net (JOHN CHADWICK)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:20:19 -0400
Subject: Postal regulations?
Message-ID: <380-220068114182019779@mpinet.net>

I was just reading in one of the essays in Carl Barks'  Greatest DuckTales Stories Vol.1 that postal regulations prohibited Scrooge and Gyro from appearing in the same stories in Uncle Scrooge comics.  Why should the Postal Service care about such a thing?
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From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Mon Aug 14 20:56:39 2006
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:56:39 EDT
Subject: Postal regulations?
Message-ID: <247.3665b980.32122167@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/14/2006 2:45:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wolfsong at mpinet.net writes:

>I was just reading in one of the essays in Carl Barks'   Greatest DuckTales 
Stories >Vol.1 that postal regulations prohibited  Scrooge and Gyro from 
appearing in the >same stories in Uncle  Scrooge comics.  Why should the Postal 
Service care >about such a  thing?



Because the Postal Service was subsidized at the time for  periodicals.  
Thus they could control what a periodical was. 
 
whoever discussed the rules, at that time, with the folks representing  
Western, (who produced and printed these book) - "apparently" told them not  too.
  Why? without the actual  written ruling, we dont know.
Too much like a book than a periodical?  shrug...
 
sr
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From lgiver at pacbell.net  Tue Aug 15 06:41:29 2006
From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:41:29 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Gladstone's Reprints of Voodoo Hoodoo
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20060814214108.01d79070@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>


>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:31:12 -0700
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>From: Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net>
>Subject: Gladstone's Reprints of Voodoo Hoodoo
>Cc: jerryblake2 at juno.com
>
>In reply to Jerry Blake, Gladstone's 1989 reprint of Voodoo Hoodoo (Comic 
>Album #16) has identical artwork to their 1994 reprint (Carl Barks Library 
>DDA #10); I have a copy of both.  The coloring is different, but I don't 
>know why they did another coloring for the second reprint, since I see no 
>reason to prefer the second by Scott Rockwell, over the first by Sue 
>Daigle and Gary Leach.  I had the original when I was 10 years old, but my 
>mother threw it out.  I wasn't able to save any comics permanently until I 
>was 12.  I don't recall what was different about the original.
>                                 Best wishes,
>                                         Larry Giver.


From lgiver at pacbell.net  Tue Aug 15 06:31:12 2006
From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:31:12 -0700
Subject: Gladstone's Reprints of Voodoo Hoodoo
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20060814211024.04a321f0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

In reply to Jerry Blake, Gladstone's 1989 reprint of Voodoo Hoodoo (Comic 
Album #16) has identical artwork to their 1994 reprint (Carl Barks Library 
DDA #10); I have a copy of both.  The coloring is different, but I don't 
know why they did another coloring for the second reprint, since I see no 
reason to prefer the second by Scott Rockwell, over the first by Sue Daigle 
and Gary Leach.  I had the original when I was 10 years old, but my mother 
threw it out.  I wasn't able to save any comics permanently until I was 
12.  I don't recall what was different about the original.
				Best wishes,
					Larry Giver.


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Mon Aug 14 21:43:55 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:43:55
Subject: Oswald's return to Disney
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From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Tue Aug 15 13:36:16 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:36:16 EDT
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 (Postal Regs) 
Message-ID: <505.2b96d500.32130bb0@aol.com>

Everyone: 
 
John Chadwick writes:

>>I was just reading in one of the essays in Carl Barks'   Greatest DuckTales 
Stories Vol.1 that postal regulations prohibited Scrooge  and Gyro from 
appearing in the same stories in Uncle Scrooge comics.  Why  should the Postal 
Service care about such a thing?>>
First, thanks for buying the DuckTales book.  The Postal Service thing  was 
as Steven Rowe explained it.   Why?  We may never know  from this vantage point 
in time.  For some specifics, I'll quote from an  APA article I did on Gyro 
several years ago: 
 
"In 1956, Dell began offering its comic books directly to  the end consumer 
on a subscription basis.  Conforming to a seemingly inexplicable U.S. postal 
requirement to obtain  lower cost second-class mailing privileges, each 
qualifying Dell periodical was  mandated to run a single page of TEXT, and a comics 
story which featured characters not used in ANY other  story in the magazine (!) 
 
 
"?Don?t ask me,  I?m just a columnist!!!!   Over  the years, I?ve never 
heard ANY practical reason for this one!    It  was this latter item which 
brought the Gyro  Gearloose short stories into being, and into the UNCLE SCROOGE 
title on a permanent  basis."
 
[End of Quoted Material] 
 
Note that this text requirement of the regulation would have been  
instrumental in bringing those "One-Page-Text" stories, that usually featured  Goofy, 
Li'L Bad Wolf, etc. into being... and, for other publishers, took  the form of 
educational or fiction texts and eventually gave birth to the letter  columns.  
 
 
Joe Torcivia.  

 
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From danshane at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 15 13:46:07 2006
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:46:07 -0400
Subject: Oswald's return to Disney
In-Reply-To: <200608150506.k7F56Vsk019414@nix.europoint.se>
References: <200608150506.k7F56Vsk019414@nix.europoint.se>
Message-ID: <003f01c6c060$661d7dc0$32587940$@net>

RICH WROTE:

If/when Oswald comes BACK to Disney, I also wonder if he will be in his own
universe or will share the Mickey & Donald universe, especially since Pete
was HIS arch-rival even before he was Mickey's (though Pete originated
before Oswald, having been part of Disney's ALICE COMEDIES). 

Ironically, a return of Oswald will bump Mickey out of his notable Corporate
Iconic position (at least as far as History buffs are concerned... no one
seems to care about Pete's precidence... perhaps because he's a villain?).
Probably not since Mickey is MUCH better known (and beloved). 

AND I CONTRIBUTE:

Here's a look at the new character design for Oswald (as well as a peek back
at his early Walter Lantz/Universal look):

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23705

The link goes to a notorious rumor mill site, so only the images themselves
can be trusted.  Any suggestions you read there about Oswald's future or
John Lassiter's interest in the character are strictly conjecture, but it is
plain fact that toys of unknown characters do not sell well.  Disney
certainly has something planned for lucky Oswald if the studio expects kids
to buy the toys.


Dan


From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Tue Aug 15 13:53:26 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:53:26 EDT
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 (Postal Regs Amendment) 
Message-ID: <244.3cfd1d00.32130fb6@aol.com>

Earlier, I said that the Postal Regulation might have brought the  
"One-Page-Text" stories into being.  
 
Of course, they existed in the earliest issues of  WDC&S and  LOONEY TUNES, 
etc.  (Often running for more than one page).  The  regulation, more 
accurately, ensured their CONTINUANCE... probably long past the  point that most of the 
audience read them.  
 
Unrelated question:  How many of you actually read these text stories  when 
they appeared?  I almost never did... and only recently, when I peruse  an 
older book, do I now take the time to do so.  Kinda like finding  "something new" 
wrapped inside "something old".  
 
Joe Torcivia.
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From jerryblake2 at juno.com  Tue Aug 15 15:36:17 2006
From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (jerryblake2 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:36:17 GMT
Subject: Voodoo Hoodoo
Message-ID: <20060815.063627.16672.689113@webmail45.lax.untd.com>

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From bangfish at cableone.net  Tue Aug 15 17:47:59 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:47:59 -0700
Subject: Voodoo Coloring
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155636783.31974.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155636783.31974.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <4629B9FB-3395-477C-B519-9CEF41D7F16C@cableone.net>

Larry:

> In reply to Jerry Blake, Gladstone's 1989 reprint of Voodoo Hoodoo  
> (Comic Album #16) has identical artwork to their 1994 reprint (Carl  
> Barks Library DDA #10); I have a copy of both.  The coloring is  
> different, but I don't know why they did another coloring for the  
> second reprint, since I see no reason to prefer the second by Scott  
> Rockwell, over the first by Sue Daigle and Gary Leach.

It wasn't a matter of preference, but a matter of production  
techniques. In the time between Comic Album #16 and CBLinC DDA #10,  
Gladstone had switched from paint-and-overlay color separating to  
computer-based separating. This not only changed the way the  
separating was done, it opened up how we could use color and how the  
overall color would look. Though we still used hand-painted color  
guides when we did CBLinC DDA #10, the ones we'd done for Comic Album  
#16 could not be readily modified to take advantage of the advances,  
so we commissioned a new set of color guides that would. It may not  
have resulted in "better" color, but it was more consistent with the  
overall look of the color we were doing for the CBLinC albums.

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From victor1717 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 23:16:32 2006
From: victor1717 at gmail.com (Victor)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:16:32 +0200
Subject: Uncle Scrooge 365
Message-ID: <2bc630c40608151416h1894a84er9b39f41698f21eaf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
Next year , Uncle Scrooge 365 will be released.
Will it contain 365 daily "day-by-day" strips?
These 3 panels?
If that will make in a 64-page issue, though it will have to be 6 a page.
Well... It WOULD be fun.
And , i guess these strips aint often reprintet, and there sure is 365 with
Scrooge never reprinted...(?)


Anyone think that?
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From tpeaco at exploremaine.com  Wed Aug 16 10:54:12 2006
From: tpeaco at exploremaine.com (Tom Peaco)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:54:12 -0400
Subject: Postal regulations?
References: <mailman.1.1155636783.31974.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <003b01c6c111$93ed11f0$6ef9dcd8@Dell4550>

 In a message dated 8/14/2006 2:45:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> wolfsong at mpinet.net writes:
>
>>I was just reading in one of the essays in Carl Barks'   Greatest 
>>DuckTales
> Stories >Vol.1 that postal regulations prohibited  Scrooge and Gyro from
> appearing in the >same stories in Uncle  Scrooge comics.  Why should the 
> Postal
> Service care >about such a  thing?
>

I think this topic came up once before.  If I remember correctly, the postal 
regulations did not specifically prohibit any particular characters from 
appearing together.  Rather, the postal regulations required there be 
different stories in each issue in order to receive the best (cheapest) 
shipping rate.  I'm guessing they defined different stories as ones which 
contain totally different characters.  Consequently it was most likely the 
publisher which decided not to put Gyro and Scrooge in the same stories in 
the Uncle Scrooge comics (for purely economic reasons).

Tom 



From travis at webseitler.com  Tue Aug 15 23:56:05 2006
From: travis at webseitler.com (Travis Seitler)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:56:05 -0400
Subject: Uncle Scrooge 365
In-Reply-To: <2bc630c40608151416h1894a84er9b39f41698f21eaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2bc630c40608151416h1894a84er9b39f41698f21eaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9006d9c0608151456m52f2db75jbe77068706284d2@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting idea, Victor.

We briefly considered filling Uncle Scrooge #360 with "circle"-themed
stories... but we came around. ;)

(Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

// Travis Seitler :: travis at webseitler.com :: http://travis.webseitler.com


On 8/15/06, Victor <victor1717 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello!
> Next year , Uncle Scrooge 365 will be released.
> Will it contain 365 daily "day-by-day" strips?
> These 3 panels?
> If that will make in a 64-page issue, though it will have to be 6 a page.
> Well... It WOULD be fun.
> And , i guess these strips aint often reprintet, and there sure is 365
> with Scrooge never reprinted...(?)
>
>
> Anyone think that?
>
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From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Wed Aug 16 11:29:31 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:29:31 +0200
Subject: Uncle Scrooge 365
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56FB3508@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

Victor:

> 	Next year , Uncle Scrooge 365 will be released.
> 	Will it contain 365 daily "day-by-day" strips?

Neat idea.
But if all these strips have to feature Uncle Scrooge, there may not be
enough interesting ones.

In INDUCKS there are less than 50 daily strips listed with Scrooge:
http://coa.inducks.org/simp.php?d1=US&d4=YD

But INDUCKS does not have the appearing characters (yet) of many strips
from the 1970s on.
These strips may or may not be interesting to reprint.

--Harry.

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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Wed Aug 16 12:59:29 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:59:29 +0200
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 13 (identical twins & triplets)
Message-ID: <00e701c6c123$0c1bea50$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Chris Barat wrote:

>> Also by the way, I can't think of any other examples of identical 
>> triplets in comics [...]
>
> Thomson and Thompson from Tintin immediately come to mind.

The Thom(p)sons aren't twins.

Lars

From lpj at forfatter.dk  Wed Aug 16 13:00:23 2006
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:00:23 +0200
Subject: Disney History blog
Message-ID: <010e01c6c123$2c7db5d0$0200000a@kundeeb6b5ec6c>

Great blog, Didier. Keep it up.

Lars

From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Wed Aug 16 13:17:31 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:17:31 +0200
Subject: thom-p-sons
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56FB3676@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

Lars:

> The Thom(p)sons aren't twins.

Well, maybe they are, and maybe they are adopted by different families,
hence their surnames.
But none of this is explained in any Tintin story.

BTW (to make this mail on-topic), how similar are Orville and Wilbur
from the Rescuers?

--Harry.

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From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Wed Aug 16 20:14:45 2006
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:14:45 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 (Text Tales)
Message-ID: <081620061814.12375.44E36094000F3956000030572207003201CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

Joe Torcivia wrote:

> Earlier, I said that the Postal Regulation might have brought the 
> "One-Page-Text" stories into being.  Of course, they existed in the earliest issues of WDC&S and LOONEY TUNES, etc. (Often running for more than one page). The regulation, more accurately, ensured their CONTINUANCE... probably long past the point that most of the audience read them. 
> Unrelated question: How many of you actually read these text stories when 
> they appeared? I almost never did... and only recently, when I peruse an 
> older book, do I now take the time to do so. Kinda like finding "something 
> new" wrapped inside "something old". 

Or, in the case of the text stories that ran in Harvey Comics, "something OLD" wrapped in same...  Harvey was notorious for recycling the same text stories over and over again.  I'm not sure how often Western Publishing did this, however.  My impression is that when WP did a reprint of one or more stories from a particular past issue, they often simply reprinted the text story that originally accompanied them.

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From npanag_2 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 16 20:35:25 2006
From: npanag_2 at yahoo.com (NIKOS PANAGIOTOPOYLOS)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:35:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Is Oswald, the lucky rabbit,
	common ancestor of Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny?
Message-ID: <20060816183525.37258.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
I have seen Oswald the lucky rabbit, and I noticed that he is a character similar with Mickey
Mouse, except the ears. From history we know that one editor, had stollen character Oswald, from
Walt Disney. The stollen cartoon, Oswald, had its own evolution. I wonder, if this cartoon became
later Bugs Bunny. Does anyone know if this is true? 
P.S. I don't know very well the history of comics, so maybe I am wrong.
Nikos 


	

	
		
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From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Wed Aug 16 23:26:07 2006
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:07 EDT
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 (Text Tales)
Message-ID: <c00.1aee75b.3214e76f@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/16/2006 4:58:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kimba1962 at comcast.net writes:
<<Or, in the case of the text stories  that ran in Harvey Comics, "something 
OLD" wrapped in same...  Harvey was  notorious for recycling the same text 
stories over and over again.  I'm not  sure how often Western Publishing did 
this, however.  My impression is that  when WP did a reprint of one or more 
stories from a particular past issue, they  often simply reprinted the text story 
that originally accompanied  them.>.

Marvel-Atlas-Timely Comics also recycled the same text story over and  over 
again - 
I suspect they are comics champs at that - i understand that  there is one 
story that was reprinted over ten times - once just two months  after the 
previous.  
However, since Harvey did text stories for  thirty more years, maybe they are 
tops - they certainly had the  time!

Western Publishing at least usually put the copyright date on the  reprint, 
so you knew it was a reprint.

steven rowe
 

From robertmhutchings at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 17 05:24:45 2006
From: robertmhutchings at yahoo.com (Robert Hutchings)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Postal Regs Amendment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.70.1155719816.3582.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <20060817032445.59847.qmail@web32012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear All,

JOE WROTE:
  
> "In 1956, Dell began offering its comic books
> directly to  the end consumer 
> on a subscription basis.  Conforming to a seemingly
> inexplicable U.S. postal 
> requirement to obtain  lower cost second-class
> mailing privileges, each 
> qualifying Dell periodical was  mandated to run a
> single page of TEXT, and a comics 
> story which featured characters not used in ANY
> other  story in the magazine (!) 
>  
>  
> "???Don???t ask me,  I???m just a columnist!!!!  
> Over  the years, I???ve never 
> heard ANY practical reason for this one!    It  was
> this latter item which 
> brought the Gyro  Gearloose short stories into
> being, and into the UNCLE SCROOGE 
> title on a permanent  basis."
>  
> [End of Quoted Material] 
>  
> Note that this text requirement of the regulation
> would have been  
> instrumental in bringing those "One-Page-Text"
> stories, that usually featured  Goofy, 
> Li'L Bad Wolf, etc. into being... and, for other
> publishers, took  the form of 
> educational or fiction texts and eventually gave
> birth to the letter  columns.  

AND
 
> 
> Earlier, I said that the Postal Regulation might
> have brought the  
> "One-Page-Text" stories into being.  
>  
> Of course, they existed in the earliest issues of 
> WDC&S and  LOONEY TUNES, 
> etc.  (Often running for more than one page).  The 
> regulation, more 
> accurately, ensured their CONTINUANCE... probably
> long past the  point that most of the 
> audience read them.  
>  
> Unrelated question:  How many of you actually read
> these text stories  when 
> they appeared?  I almost never did... and only
> recently, when I peruse  an 
> older book, do I now take the time to do so.  Kinda
> like finding  "something new" 
> wrapped inside "something old".  
>  

AND TOM WROTE:

> I think this topic came up once before.  If I
> remember correctly, the postal 
> regulations did not specifically prohibit any
> particular characters from 
> appearing together.  Rather, the postal regulations
> required there be 
> different stories in each issue in order to receive
> the best (cheapest) 
> shipping rate.  I'm guessing they defined different
> stories as ones which 
> contain totally different characters.  Consequently
> it was most likely the 
> publisher which decided not to put Gyro and Scrooge
> in the same stories in 
> the Uncle Scrooge comics (for purely economic
> reasons).

AND I REPLY:

Joe is correct in stating that the comic books were
required to contain a backup story which did not
include any character anywhere else mentioned. A brief
editorial on page 512 of the Carl Barks Library Uncle
Scrooge 1-20 (this is the second volume in the set)
confirms this. It is as a direct result from this
obscure and inexplicable postal regulation that duck
fans are blessed with these fantastic Gyro shorts. The
editorial also clarifies the issue on character
inclusion: ?Two Gyro stories had been completed before
it was realized that no (in bold) characters from the
lead story could be used.? As a result, in those
stories, Huey, Dewey, and Louie became Mortie and
Ferdie, and Donald suddenly morphed into the one-shot
character Speedy, who looked very suspiciously like a
dog-faced Donald. The dialogue remained unchanged, and
includes the comment: ?Gladstone is coming over with a
 new sports car, and I can?t let him outgun my old hot
rod!? With Donald, this comment is obviously relevant
to the story, as his battles with Gladstone were
well-established; with Speedy, it was much less so. 
As for those texts, I?ve known for years (though I
can?t say how) they were required for postal
regulations. It was news to me that they were actually
only required beginning in 1956. That was the only
explanation I could see in having them, because I
generally thought they were uninteresting, poorly
written, and taking up space that could have been
devoted to ?comics.? In other words, I could have
dispensed entirely with the ?stories.? As I acquire my
older issues more gradually than the more-recent, I
read them for the sake of history, but no other.
Interesting to learn that they are, in a way, the
precursor to letter columns. At least something
worthwhile came from them.


Robert


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From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Thu Aug 17 11:32:11 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:32:11 +0200
Subject: Dutch bad Wolf
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56FE7A5B@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

Wouter wrote:

> considering Zeke Wolf, I guess a lot of dutch people 
> just have a thing for him.

Yep. Even the famous Dutch biologist Midas Dekkers named himself after
Zeke.
(Midas Dekkers is a pseudonym.)
Zeke's first name in Dutch is Midas, as opposed to the USA, where Midas
is his *middle* name.

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From ddmarkstein at cox.net  Thu Aug 17 14:07:30 2006
From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:07:30 -0700
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155809581.1064.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155809581.1064.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <44E45C02.2050609@cox.net>


>I have seen Oswald the lucky rabbit, and I noticed that he is a character similar with Mickey
>Mouse, except the ears. From history we know that one editor, had stollen character Oswald, from
>Walt Disney. The stollen cartoon, Oswald, had its own evolution. I wonder, if this cartoon became
>later Bugs Bunny. Does anyone know if this is true? 
>P.S. I don't know very well the history of comics, so maybe I am wrong.
>Nikos 
>  
>
Not even close! (Tho it does happen that Bugs started in 1938, the same 
year Oswald stopped appearing as a regular series character.) The 
separate histories of both characters can be found at 
http://www.toonopedia.com/oswald.htm and http://www.toonopedia.com/bugs.htm

Quack, Don


From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Thu Aug 17 13:57:58 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:57:58 EDT
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 21 (Postal Regs) 
Message-ID: <be4.2c87a2e.3215b3c6@aol.com>

Everyone:
 
Robert Hutchings writes: 
 
>>Joe is correct in stating that the comic books were required to  contain a 
backup story which did not include any character anywhere else  mentioned. A 
brief editorial on page 512 of the Carl Barks Library Uncle Scrooge  1-20 (this 
is the second volume in the set) confirms this. >>
 
 
Good detective work,  Robert!  At the time I sent my comments, I couldn't 
remember exactly where  I'd read this, though I knew it was somewhere in the CBL! 
 In further proof  of this I offer UNCLE SCROOGE #  75 (June,  1968), in 
which Gyro had a major role in the main story, "The Battle of  Marathon", and, 
according to regulation, could not appear in the  back-up.  Daisy Duck and 
Dimwitty filled the back-up requirement for this issue.  
Robert also said:  
>>It was news to me that  they [ text pages ] were actually only required 
beginning in  1956.>> 
They would have been required  before that, if Dell had applied for Second 
Class Subscription Mailing  Privileges before that.  It strictly ties in with 
when Dell began offering  subs on their regular comics line.   
Looking at some other comics, you can see that  BATMAN # 54 offered 
subscriptions as ?Second Class Matter? at  least as far back as 1949.  Inside  there 
was a text on Dr. Alexander Fleming and Penicillin and a  comics-illustrated 
piece on speedboat racer Gar Wood (?to satisfy the  ?Second/Guest Story? 
requirement)  ?Under the regulation, I suppose, Batman could never have solved the  
hypothetical mystery of Gar Wood?s missing speedboat, if it occurred in Batman?
s  title!  But, oddly, Superman or  Green Lantern could!    
Back to Western, BUGS BUNNY # 49  (June/July 1956) began Second Class subs 
for that title, and ?Guest Stories? and  Text Pieces were in place with that 
issue.  For a few issues prior, the indicia read ?Application for Second Class  
Entry pending at the Post Office at New  York, New York?.  Guest stories began 
appearing during  that period, but the pairing of Guest and Text begins in 
earnest once the Second  Class subs were officially offered.  
Either this clarifies ? or further confuses ?  matters.   
Joe Torcivia.   

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From bangfish at cableone.net  Thu Aug 17 17:39:06 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0700
Subject: Postal regs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155809581.1064.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155809581.1064.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <906FB538-0952-4AEF-B1B8-45F787196C04@cableone.net>

Robert Hutchings wrote:

> Joe is correct in stating that the comic books were required to  
> contain a backup story which did not include any character anywhere  
> else mentioned. ... It is as a direct result from this obscure and  
> inexplicable postal regulation that duck fans are blessed with  
> these fantastic Gyro shorts.

The old law of Unintended Consequences, in this case to the good.  
Sure would hate to be without the Gyro shorts, they were always some  
of my favorites.

The postal regulation itself does seem kind of inexplicable, though  
it's never been beyond the US Postal Service to come up with some  
very esoteric rationales for tweaking the rules for various classes  
of mailing. I do know that a periodical is another term for a printed  
entity - generally a magazine such as Time, Good Housekeeping, Modern  
Aviation, et al - that is issued on a regular (usually weekly,  
biweekly, monthly, bimontly, or quarterly) basis. These all have  
multiple contents, with tables of contents to readily indicate that  
fact, and it may be that the USPS saw that, along with regular  
issuance, as a hallmark of a periodical and worth including in the  
rules of qualification for a second-class mailing permit (the least  
expensive way to send out subscription copies).

I wonder sometimes if we wouldn't be better off today if that  
regulation had remained in place. MIght've kept a bit more variety in  
our comics. Ah well...

Gary
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From lgiver at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 17 19:31:57 2006
From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:31:57 -0700
Subject: Mailing regulations for Disney comic subscriptions
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20060817101537.04294650@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

	I recall subscribing to the monthly WDComics & Stories before 1956.  The 
fee was $1.00 for one year, or $4.00 for 5 years, compared to $0.10 per 
month in stores.  The problem for a collector was the comic was folded 
lengthwise for mailing.  The other titles Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, and 
Uncle Scrooge were bi-monthly issues and not available by subscription at 
that time.  Comics and Stories easily met postal requirement because each 
issue had several stories with different characters plus a one or two page 
text story.  My understanding of the postal regulations in 1956 is Disney 
and/or the publisher wanted to make the other titles eligible for 
subscriptions too.  It seems by then a text story was not required, but no 
longer could a single 32 page story like US #1 take up an entire issue, and 
a short second story was required.
	Best wishes,      Larry Giver.

	


From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Thu Aug 17 20:39:11 2006
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:39:11 EDT
Subject: Mailing regulations for Disney comic subscriptions
Message-ID: <2d5.c65812d.321611cf@aol.com>

as I mentioned earlier in this thread, for those of you trying to make  sense 
of the post office regulations - It was the individual postmasters of the  
postoffice who made the determination as to what was acceptable and what  wasnt. 
 
thus  as larry Giver states: " My understanding of the postal  regulations in 
1956 is Disney 
and/or the publisher wanted to make the other  titles eligible for 
subscriptions too.  It seems by then a text story  was not required, but no 
longer could a single 32 page story like US #1 take  up an entire issue, and 
a short second story was required."
 
was true for Western, but not true for DC  who started doing MORE  full 
length (with ad pages) stories with text page (or letter page) around 1956.  and 
wasn't true fr Marvel starting in 1960 (although it might be true for them  too- 
as both DC and Marvel used chapters in their stories up till around 1962 or  
so). 
 
this also explains why some crossword puzzle books had 2nd class postage,  
while some where rejected for 2nd class postage.
 
steven rowe

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From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Thu Aug 17 21:01:43 2006
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:01:43 +0200
Subject: Mailing regulations for Disney comic subscriptions
References: <6.0.0.14.1.20060817101537.04294650@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002001c6c22f$94b5c630$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>

That's a very interesting discussion; thanks to all the contributors for the 
information!


>>>>> I recall subscribing to the monthly WDComics & Stories before 1956. 
>>>>> The
>>>>> fee was $1.00 for one year, or $4.00 for 5 years, compared to $0.10 
>>>>> per
>>>>> month in stores.  The problem for a collector was the comic was folded
>>>>> lengthwise for mailing.

Incidentally, I read yesterday in an interview by SilverBulletsComicBooks
(  http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/115575049750191.htm )
that comics were even sometimes "folded in brown paper and stapled"
(presumably to keep them folded).
What a horrible thought....



Olivier 



From wolfsong at mpinet.net  Fri Aug 18 00:34:28 2006
From: wolfsong at mpinet.net (JOHN CHADWICK)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:34:28 -0400
Subject: FW: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 21 (Postal Regs) 
Message-ID: <380-220068417223428289@mpinet.net>





Weren't there some Donald or Scrooge stories that spanned the entire book?
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From wolfsong at mpinet.net  Fri Aug 18 00:41:00 2006
From: wolfsong at mpinet.net (JOHN CHADWICK)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:41:00 -0400
Subject: FW: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 21 (Postal Regs) 
Message-ID: <380-22006841722410703@mpinet.net>

Sorry, looks like somebody already answered that one for me.

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Weren't there some Donald or Scrooge stories that spanned the entire book?
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From ramapith at verizon.net  Sun Aug 20 18:19:18 2006
From: ramapith at verizon.net (David Gerstein)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:19:18 -0400
Subject: Oswald's return to Disney
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1155636783.31974.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1155636783.31974.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <D35996B4-A400-4912-BBF3-1363B4069AF8@verizon.net>

     Rich,

> as I recall Oswald, while under Disney original creatorship, had a  
> regular gal-pal whose name escapes me at the moment. Honey? Nah!

     Nope! Honey is Bosko's sweetie.

> Maybe she was nameless... and a cat ta'boot!

     Oswald did often date a girl cat. Her name was Sadie in her  
Disney days. At Lantz, she was later renamed Kitty.
     Oswald also had a rabbit girlfriend named Fanny in the early  
days. Later, in the mid-1930s, Lantz retconned Fanny into Oswald's  
sister.

> How will Oswald's luck compare to that of Gladstone's? ;-)

     The reports of Oswald's luck have been greatly exaggerated. (-:
     I think it's more apt, given the Disney Oswald cartoons, to say  
that Oswald thinks of himself as lucky, not to mention full of charm  
and savoir faire. But in practice, he tends to trip over his feet.

> The name Oswald sounds a bit "off"

     It works for me. It's certainly unusual, but it's also not a  
name you forget easily.

     David
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From dghez at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 21 12:45:48 2006
From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:45:48 +0200
Subject: Serbian Disney comics from the '30s now online
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV8264448BFCF1023BDDCA6BB410@phx.gbl>

Hi,

Just a short note to let you know that I have started posting scans of locally produced Disney stories from Serbia (from the '30s) at disneybooks.blogspot.com I think some of you might get a quick out of that.

Didier
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From schulte at teacher.com  Tue Aug 22 18:07:33 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:07:33 -0500
Subject: Latin Ducks?
Message-ID: <20060822160734.20EC81CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

Greetings!

After teaching Germanfor many years, I am now back to Latin.

Are there any Latin versions of the Barks or Rosa stories?  Maybe from
Finland?  I have always heard that the Finns are big on Latin.

Thank you!

Leo Schulte

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Hi, Just a short note to let you know that I have started posting scans
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From germund_vw at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 12:44:44 2006
From: germund_vw at yahoo.com (Germund von Wowern)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:44:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mickey and the Sleuth ANYBODY???
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1156327983.816.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <20060823104444.75736.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
I really need access to the story Mickey and the
Sleuth: Goon To The Moon (Ser Lock e il viaggio sulla
luna) by Fallberg and the Jaime Diaz Studio. It is to
be used for a text about Jules Verne parodies and
references in Disney comics. If anybody could help me
find a copy of this - photocopies, borrow, sell etc,
I'd be very grateful! Any of the editions below would
do!

http://coa.inducks.org/s.php/x/S+78210
Germany: Goofy 1980-12
France: Super Picsou G?ant (ancienne s?rie) 120
Italy: Almanacco Topolino 295 (1981)

THANKS!  /Germund

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From Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de  Thu Aug 24 13:03:40 2006
From: Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:03:40 +0200
Subject: Latin Ducks?
Message-ID: <755450718@web.de>

Leo Schulte wrote:
> Are there any Latin versions of the Barks or Rosa stories?  Maybe from
> Finland?  I have always heard that the Finns are big on Latin.

I've never heard of Barks or Rosa in Latin. However, you may be interested in the "Disney Lingua Latina" album series produced by the Italians in the 1980's:
http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php/x/it/DLL

I know the first album in the series ("Donaldus Anas atque nox saraceni") and it is really fine.

Gerd


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From cien2 at cbn.net.id  Thu Aug 24 19:42:12 2006
From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:42:12 +0700
Subject: Ducktales #3?
References: <mailman.0.1156414382.30388.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <001b01c6c7a5$5ac3f200$d8799eca@duckburg>

Just curious, will there be number 3 for the series? I don't have any idea
whether or not all Barks-based episodes have already been covered in the 2
earlier numbers. Thanks.

Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal


From schulte at teacher.com  Fri Aug 25 17:48:43 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:48:43 -0500
Subject: Latin Translations
Message-ID: <20060825154843.7F1EF164278@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

Gerd Syllwasschy wrote:


I've never heard of Barks or Rosa in Latin. However, you may be
interested in the "Disney Lingua Latina" album series produced by the
Italians in the 1980's:
http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php/x/it/DLL

I know the first album in the series ("Donaldus Anas atque nox
saraceni") and it is really fine.

Many thanks for the link to the Disney Latin comic books!

Again, if anyone comes across Latin comic books, especially Disney
stories, let me know!

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From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Mon Aug 28 06:14:37 2006
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 06:14:37 +0200
Subject: Millionaira Vanderbucks
References: <mailman.3.1156587182.5594.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <002101c6ca58$7996da20$0264a8c0@ca1d3e20fa8694>

According to Katie Sullivan's site, Millionaira Vanderbucks has only been 
seen in one place: a DuckTales episode called "Till Nephews do us Part."
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/loves/milly.htm

I remember an episode that re-used Barks's 'The Old Castle's  Secret', and 
it contained a woman looking like Millionaira Vanderbucks. Maybe it's the 
same woman?

Dani?l 



From sydnordisk at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 08:36:13 2006
From: sydnordisk at yahoo.com (Akademiet)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Paperleòn - Donald Lionduck
Message-ID: <20060828063613.75923.qmail@web53112.mail.yahoo.com>

I have some rather obscure linguistic-onomastic questions for the esteemed, international community of DCML concerning the Italian duckumentary Paperleone in oriente (Donald Lionduck in the Orient) by Nino Russo and Andrea Freccero, published in Topolino (Libretto) no. 2150 in 1997.
   
  My questions are about the original Italian place-names in the story. In the very first picture, we meet the home town of Donald Lionduck with a wooden sign stating the name of the place. What is this small town called in Italian? Later on, arrived to the Orient, Donald and the crusading army is about to attack and reconquer a castle held by the enemy. In the picture showing the camp of the crusaders in front of the castle, the captain of the crusaders tell us the name of the castle (at least he does in the Danish version). Again, I would be very happy if anyone could inform me of the original Italian place-name. 
   
  Actually, for both place-names, the Dutch and German translations would be of great interest to me as well. The Dutch version is published in Dubbel Pocket Donald Duck no. 4, the German in Lustiges Taschenbuch no. 241.
   
  Thanks ever so much in advance.
  Johnny Jakobsen

 				
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From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 29 00:31:31 2006
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:31:31 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 42, Issue 30 (Millionaira Vanderbucks)
Message-ID: <082820062231.18892.44F36EC30003BDD5000049CC2207002953CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
 
> I remember an episode [of "DuckTales"] that re-used Barks's 'The Old Castle's Secret', and 
> it contained a woman looking like Millionaira Vanderbucks. Maybe it's the 
> same woman? 

No, that character was named Featherica von Strangeduck, though the show seemed to use the same basic character model.  The episode was "Hotel Strangeduck" and it seemed vaguely similar to "TOCS", but not enough to justify its being reproduced as part of the "Carl Barks' Greatest 'DuckTales' Stories" album series.

Chris Barat
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From lis at gazeta.pl  Mon Aug 28 18:37:07 2006
From: lis at gazeta.pl (mateusz lis)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:37:07 +0200
Subject: Millionaira Vanderbucks
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Message-ID: <1156783025_273440@mailic01>


Dani?l wrote:

> I remember an episode that re-used Barks's 'The Old Castle's  
> Secret', and it contained a woman looking like Millionaira 
> Vanderbucks. Maybe it's the same woman?

This episode is titled 'Hotel Strangeduck'. The character you refer to is
the Duchess of Swansylvania and she looks a bit different than Milly:
http://www.geocities.com/disney_laserdiscs/pics/pila-1053.jpg

She also appeared in some other episodes as a television star of the soap
operas watched by Fenton's mother.

You can learn more about the episode here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Strangeduck

Best wishes,
Mateusz Lis






From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Wed Aug 30 10:18:32 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:18:32 +0200
Subject: Rabbit relations
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56011048B9@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

David wrote 2 weeks ago:

> These nephews appear very early on, in ZB 46-01-27. They 
> are not xapped in Inducks

I guess we achieved something, when people start using "to xapp" in a
normal English sentence! 8-)
(I think I invented that word a decade ago.)

Anyway, I'll re-xapp ZB 46-01-27. 8-)


BTW, about twins: I think Mollie's two nieces Annie and Fannie have't
been mentioned yet in this discussion.
And some Dutch Dumbo stories from the 1970s feature the twins Rollo and
Bollo.

--Harry.

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