From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Fri Dec  1 21:45:16 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:45:16 -0500
Subject: Chuck's reply
Message-ID: <001e01c71589$9b358fb0$9421ef18@deanmary>

Chuck, thanks so much for your reply and thoughts about these issues.  I wish I was as good a wordsmith as you are!  You very eloquently stated your views on these subjects.

There is nothing to apologize for being an optimist and wearing rose-colored glasses.  If someone does not like that aspect about you, that is their problem.  I tend to like to view things as a realist: not too gloomy looking but not too rosy either.  I hope I succeed at that most of the times, but of course it is easy to give in to pessimism.

I too wonder about the future of Disney comics not just here in North America, but over the world.  Who knows if they will be gone before or after your 2030 guess.  I of course want them to last as long as possible.  I must admit that my main concern is for their continuing to be new Disney comics in the USA.  If that is selfish, so be it.

If I understand you right (perhaps I am wrong), you would have preferred Gemstone raise the price of the $2.95 titles instead of putting them on "hiatus".  I feel exactly the same way.  I would much rather them have gone up to $3.50 or even $4.00 than for them to have been cancelled.  I imagine that sentiment may make some people angry, but I really value Disney comics and am willing to pay a higher price than I would like if that is what it takes to keep them being published.  Of course many others would not pay a higher price and that is perfectly OK as well.

While some of the upcoming "one shots" and the two new annuals are nice, I think there is a better solution.  I mentioned it before, so bear with me.  How about having a monthly "Donald and Mickey" 64 page prestige title?  It would only cost a little more than the 2 monthly $2.95 titles and you would end up with the same amount of pages.  If sales and profits are enough for the two current prestige titles, why not make a third one in a format that seems to be working for Gemstone?  I would be interested in what Chuck and others think about this.  Would people like to see a third monthly prestige title?

Gary and David have answered *so* many questions that I don't blame them if they don't feel like answering any more.  However, if either of you are in a generous mood, could you tell us if there is a chance for a 3rd prestige monthly title in the foreseeable future?  If not, is it because you don't think it would sell enough copies or for other reasons?

Thanks again Chuck for taking the time to write such a nice reply.  I certainly hope the larger life issues you are dealing with all work out.

As always, I would love to hear from other list members with their ideas and opinions about Gemstone.

Dean Rekich
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From schulte at teacher.com  Fri Dec  1 14:00:30 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:00:30 -0500
Subject: Building Readership
Message-ID: <20061201130030.F057A1642B5@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

I was amazed over Thanksgiving to see a FREE comic book as part of the
Sunday newspaper: A reprint of a classic Spiderman story, complete of
course with a few ads.  This appeared in the Lima News: Lima is a city of
c. 40,000 people in west central Ohio.

>From what I can tell, with the backlash against violence these days among
parents with small children, I think a free Uncle Scrooge or Donald Duck
in the Sunday newspaper might be something for Gemstone to consider
also. 

(On a similar vein, today's (Dec. 1) Wall Street Journal has an article
about the backlash against obscene humor,and the rise of "G-rated"
comedians.)

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From margaretrutledge at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  1 19:56:11 2006
From: margaretrutledge at earthlink.net (Margaret Rutledge)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:56:11 -0800
Subject: Gemstone
Message-ID: <97A5BBB9-DDEC-4B3C-870C-842D4E4985DD@earthlink.net>

My family is very, very happy with Gemstone, and we wish them all the  
best. It is very sad that Disney doesn't help with the promotions,  
but they have their own Disney Adventures publication to push. It has  
comics in it too, but not with the classic characters.

My brother and I loved the duck comics when we were children, and as  
an adult I bought them whenever I saw one, so I have lots of old Gold  
Key comics. When Gladstone began publication I subscribed  
immediately, and my children grew up on Uncle Scrooge and Donald  
Duck. My son later moved on to Groo and Asterix, but still reads  
every new one I get when he comes home from college. He loves Don Rosa.

We followed the Gemstone's efforts to get publishing rights since the  
Carl Barks fan club newsletter had updates on the incredible struggle  
negotiating with Disney's ever changing legal team. Steve Geppi  
deserves a lot of credit for persistence, and he must have done it  
for love because a normal businessman would have thrown up their  
hands and walked away.

The Gemstone people have all been very nice to us when we stop by  
their booth at Comic-Con. Last year they saved their only copy of the  
Duck Tales collection for me to buy after they showed it at their  
panel. We've met Don Rosa several times now, and once he talked to  
the children for quite a while. I gave my son a signed copy of The  
Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck for a high school graduation present.

I live in southern California and personally complained at  
Disneyland's city hall because they don't sell the comics, and didn't  
give them out during Free Comic Book Day. I have always thought  
Disney's reputation for marketing was undeserved - you couldn't find  
any movie-related items at the parks when Pirates of the Caribbean  
was packing them in at the box office. My daughter had to buy her  
Aztec gold necklace at a Lord of the Rings convention! I was told  
Disney didn't own the marketing rights to everything Disney-related,  
but that sounded pretty lame to me.

Margaret Rutledge
margaretrutledge at earthlink.net




From bangfish at cableone.net  Sat Dec  2 19:09:38 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:09:38 -0700
Subject: Peering through the haze
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1165057982.14043.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1165057982.14043.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <7183869F-DA35-46FD-87D7-95B67AA8354D@cableone.net>

Chuck, Dean, Margaret:

Can't think what I could add to the remarks you've all recently made  
on the DCML, but here are some observations of mine in relation:

The demise of the newsstand titles leaves me with mixed feelings. On  
a purely business level, continuing them at any price point wasn't  
feasible, because the format requires a volume level of printing and  
distribution that, though anticipated and sought, just wasn't able to  
be achieved. Personally, I still have a lot of affection for the 32- 
page magazine - it is, of course, the format I grew up with - but I  
have to admit these days I prefer my comics in handy, reasonably  
affordable books and book collections. The question remains, will  
books reach the kids, or is it still worth trying to reach them with  
the 32-pager?

I don't really know, but the old put-'em-out-there-and-they-will-find- 
them newsstand approach plainly no longer works. Not that this is  
news; the signs were there before the Silver Age even started.

The reason Gemstone can - and will - continue with the prestige  
titles is that the format is not burdened by the newsstand business  
model. The very methods of printing them allow for much smaller print  
runs that can cover costs and even make modest profits in the direct  
market. It isn't possible to draw the newsstand format down to that  
level with any hope of even covering costs, unless you price them at  
a level that would make the prestige books seem like amazing bargains  
by comparison.

While there is no third prestige title presently in the works, it is  
possible that one will join the line eventually. And the one-shots,  
as I may have mentioned before, show some promise of earning their  
way in the direct and bookstore markets over time.

As for the parks, the relations between them and the parent company  
continue to leave me scratching my head. I do think, though, that  
these days comics are difficult for those shopping for the park  
vendors to perceive as having much to do with what they're out to  
sell -  namely, souvenirs of the park experience.

Dean: no news on the Shonen Jump-style titles at this time.

Gary


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Sat Dec  2 12:53:41 2006
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:53:41
Subject: Chuck's reply
Message-ID: <200612021939.kB2JdRxr032597@nix.europoint.se>

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From ole at disneycomics.dk  Sun Dec  3 19:34:51 2006
From: ole at disneycomics.dk (Ole Damgaard)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:34:51 +0100
Subject: Luciano Bottaro died today
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1164539583.13830.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1164539583.13830.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <op.tjzxwdsxjim9ru@damcon-15037acd.opasia.dk>


Francois and others wrote:
> Luciano Bottaro died today


This was sad news to me too. We have lost another great cartoonist.
The danish 'Jumbobog' pocketbooks were filled with Bottaro stories in my  
childhood, so I was actually introduced to Disney comics by for instance  
Bottaro, among others.(Chierchini, Capitanio, Scarpa, the DeVita's, and  
the list goes on.) So Bottaros weird, but imaginative and great Disney  
comics have always had a special place in my heart. I especially like the  
adventures with Nocciola and her various monsters.

/ole

From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Sun Dec  3 21:28:22 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:28:22 EST
Subject: Gemstone Reaction and Suggestion. 
Message-ID: <494.c685b1c.32a48d66@aol.com>

Everyone:
 
Let's hear it for Chuck, Dean, Robert (...all great guys, as my experience  
has shown) and everyone else who's acted as voices of reason in the Gemstone  
situation.  
 
Some of the comments I read here were downright shameful.  Ungrateful  to the 
almost Herculean efforts of Steve Geppi to secure a comics publishing  
license from the monolithic Disney Enterprises, Inc., disrespectful to the  memory 
of Bruce Hamilton who, even though I sometimes disagreed with his  direction 
during the Gladstone II days, is directly responsible for all we as  American 
fans have today, and unappreciative of the efforts of David, and Gary  to 
communicate with us (and do it "square", to paraphrase a favorite character)  during 
this difficult time!  
 
So, let's keep it on an even keel -- as it has been lately -- and see what  
happens.     
 
Also, let me "second" Dean's suggestion for a prestige Donald and Mickey  
title.  As with all "Great Minds", I've expressed a similar idea in  a letter I 
sent to WDC&S #675 last week, some of which I'll excerpt  here:
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------
 
 
The month of November brought some sad news from  Gemstone, concerning the 
(hopefully temporary) cancellation of DONALD DUCK  AND FRIENDS and MICKEY MOUSE 
AND FRIENDS.  The first unhappy news, I must point  out, since the coming of 
Gemstone some 3 ? years ago? still pretty good by any  standard.   
Rather than echo some of the criticisms posted online  concerning the 
cancellations and content of the remaining titles, I?d prefer to  thank the team at 
Gemstone for their superlative efforts thus far, and pledge my  support for 
future projects.   
Still, for me, it is a blow to lose the abovementioned  titles.  More so than 
any other  title, format, or packaging, they were the ?real deal?.  The 
direct descendents of the Dell  DONALD DUCK and MICKEY MOUSE titles, to which we 
all owe so  much.   
Oddly, as these titles ?leave the building?, we also  receive what is, in my 
opinion at least, the BEST issue of WDC&S  published by Gemstone? and maybe 
one of the best ever.  With the three meaty continued stories;  ?The Orb Saga?
, Gottfredson?s ?Mickey Mouse Joins the Foreign  Legion?, and the unexpected 
surprise of ?The Protector of Shambor? ?  not to mention the hijinks of a 
good William Van Horn snowball-throwing romp ? I  find myself anticipating the ?
next issue? in a way I haven?t since the original  run of ?The Return of the 
Phantom Blot? in 1964.   
Could that anticipation lead to possible  inspiration?  Consider this? If the 
 squarebound format of WDC&S and UNCLE SCROOGE is, as  indications show, a 
successful one, WDC&S # 675 is a perfect example  of how great a prestige DONALD 
AND MICKEY title could be!   
Frankly, I?m not at all interested in the reported thick  black and white 
collections.  Excepting that material originally seen as daily newspaper strips, 
these  comics were MEANT TO BE IN COLOR!  And, in such a DONALD AND MICKEY 
title, they would be!  It could encompass the material that  would have appeared 
in the departed titles, and would be the perfect place for  classic reprints 
ranging from ?Lost in the Andes? to ?The Red Wasp  Mystery?, as well as Barks 
ten-pagers, Romano Scarpa?s Duck and Mouse  adventures, and new works from 
fan-favorite contemporary creators.   
We might have lost four titles, including the DD and MM  ?Take-Alongs?, but 
we need not miss a beat with such a welcome alternative to  take up the slack! 
  Please  give it some consideration.   
--------------------------------------------------------------- 
So, hopefully, between  Dean's suggestion and mine, we can give "legs" to 
this idea!   
Joe Torcivia.  



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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Mon Dec  4 03:10:47 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:10:47 -0500
Subject: Gary's and Rich's comments
Message-ID: <001701c71749$69e97ef0$9421ef18@deanmary>

Gary, thanks so much for your recent post.  I too grew up with the 32 page format comic and have a lot of love for it as well.  However, it seems the market is (and has been for some time) going towards TPB and other book type formats and I am fine with that.  In the end the format doesn't matter very much compared to *if* there is content being printed and what the content being published is.

I think I understand a bit better now why the newsstand titles had to go away.  If I am understanding you correctly, even raising the prices of them to $3.50 or even $4.00 still would not have worked out for Gemstone economically.

I truly hope Gemstone considers a third (or fourth?) prestige title in the future.  Much of my sad thoughts about the Gemstone cancellations would be alleviated if a third monthly prestige title would be published.  If that were the case, we would be getting the same amount of pages each month as before, not counting the pocket book titles, and those look they are coming back in a Shonen Jump style format.

Chuck, thanks for your thoughts as well.  It was nice to hear that someone else would like to buy another monthly prestige title.  I totally agree with you in the desire to see much more new material.  To me it is like there is a huge "dam" of new stories out there in Europe, but that we have to settle for a tiny "trickle" of new stories to come out here! :(  I know there will never be enough new stories printed for my satisfaction, but with the loss of the 4 titles it seems like even the "trickle" is barely flowing now! :(

I think there are *so* many opportunities with TPBs in the future and am cautiously optimistic about them.  You could have TPBs dedicated to a certain creator.  You could have TPBs focused on a certain theme or character.  The possibilities are almost endless!  I still think the key is for them to filled with either all or mostly new stories.  I realize that Gemstone thinks they need to publish a lot of re-re-reprints, and perhaps they are right.  However, I would at least like for them to try a few TPBs with mostly or all new material to see if they would sell well.  I think they would, but who knows?  You will never know unless you try though.  I hope after the two TPBs coming out this summer that they try a few focused on new material.  BTW, if the TPBs are going to produced on a regular basis, how often are they going to come out?  Monthly, bi-monthly, quarterly, etc.  Just curious.  I would love for there to be a monthly Walt Disney Treasures TPB!  Does that sound like a good idea to anyone else on the list?

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From ola.martinsson at ericsson.com  Mon Dec  4 13:01:45 2006
From: ola.martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB))
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:01:45 +0100
Subject: Suggestion for facsimile TPB
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1165230782.16962.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <C81273834CF1824695B86A1F6EAE3D500377A15A@esealmw115.eemea.ericsson.se>

In Sweden and some more countries there has been for som years now
reprints of the early disney comics.
As for Sweden the equivalent to WDC is Kalle Anka. They have been
reprinted in hardcover books. And to top it of they are in facsimile.
That means that they have photographed or scanned old copies and
reprinted them exactly as they were in the original. Complete with
covers bound together in a book. Kalle Anka started in 1948 and was
monthly up til 1956. Then it was biweekly until half of 1959. And since
then it has been a weekly. It was 36 pages with cover. Up til now they
have published 1948 to 1961 in facsimile books.

I would definitely love if the same could be done with the old US disney
comics. Starting with WDC of course.
As I understand this is a very cheap way to print comics and Egmont
makes a big profit on these books.
This is shown by the fact that there are at least two more comics from
Egmont that have begun doing the same thing here in Sweden. Also I have
heard it from a person  working at Egmont.

Could Gary or anyone else at Gemstone please answer if this possibility
exists ? 
Don't you think that this could be profitable in the US as well ?
Or has it been thought of but discarded, in that case why ?

Ola in cloudy still warm Stockholm +10


From robertmhutchings at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  4 13:43:48 2006
From: robertmhutchings at yahoo.com (Robert Hutchings)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 04:43:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Thoughts on monthly offerings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1165230782.16962.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <167436.87303.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I second Joe's and Dean's idea of a Mickey and Donald
prestige (I guess I'd be a third, actually). What a
good idea! In fact, the mere thought makes me giddy.
And when you consider that one prestige costs little
more than than the two "& Friends" titles, it sounds
even better! I suppose it?s too simple just to combine
and repackage the two titles, but boy, what potential
this has. 

Regarding the TPBs, monthly sounds great to me! If not
monthly, though, at least regularly. I must admit that
one of the things I liked best about the last one was
the editorial work from David Gerstein. That, to me,
is the biggest thing missing from the old Gladstone I
days in Gemstone?s current offerings. I don?t know how
many other people read those reviews and essays Geoff
Blum et al. wrote, and similarly, I don?t know how
much support there is to revive that idea, but I?m
certainly in favor of it. 



 
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From schulte at teacher.com  Mon Dec  4 13:42:15 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:42:15 -0500
Subject: Christmas Stories
Message-ID: <20061204124215.3145C1158CD@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi Everyone!

I mentioned earlier that Marvel had placed a free one-story comic book in
Sunday newspapers a few weeks ago to promote the comic and also (I
amsure) the movie.

Imagine Gemstone using this approach with Christmas for Shacktown right
now, or other similar stories!  One of the best Christmas stories ever
written offered free: this might wake up parents to the advantages of
using the Duckburg Universe for their children's edification.

Best Wishes and Merry Christmas!

Leo Schulte

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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Mon Dec  4 21:22:40 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:22:40 -0500
Subject: More about a possible Donald and Mickey prestige title
Message-ID: <001501c717e1$f2bfe050$9421ef18@deanmary>

Thanks so much Joe for adding your voice as someone who would love to see a Donald and Mickey monthly prestige title!

Gary, is there anything us Disney comic fans can do to get this to happen?  Would it be more helpful to send "snail mail" letters to Gemstone saying how much we want this to happen?  If Joe's letter is printed in an upcoming issue of WDC$S, could you in that comic ask fans to write to Gemstone if they support such an idea?

I realize that Gemstone has new plans in motion for 2007 and that has to be your primary focus.  However, I still do not see why such a third prestige title could not be added in the next 6 to 12 months.  Is there are a reason you can tell us why Gemstone would *not* be willing to publish a third prestige title?  Perhaps there is some problem with it we do not understand.

I would like to echo Joe's comment on how great it is that Gary and David have treated us "square" during this time.  I know I have said it before, but I *greatly* appreciate your contributions to this mailing list!

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From marvinw at zahav.net.il  Mon Dec  4 19:38:56 2006
From: marvinw at zahav.net.il (Marvinw)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:38:56 +0200
Subject: Gemstone Reaction and Suggestion---Donald and Mickey title
Message-ID: <001901c717d3$78df8000$2993e554@euronet.euronet>

Although it is quite true that there was a Mickey and Donald comic of  Gladstone I, which reappeared as Donald and Mickey, and then Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse of Gladstone II, the "real deal" as Joe Torcivia indicates, is continuity from the Dell Mickey Mouse comic and the Donald Duck comic, both of which actually began as  Western Printing Four Color comics.
At least in my neck of the woods,  the Mickey Mouse character has a recognized very high profile and there is a virtual landslide of apparel on which he appears that is advertised at the shopping malls -- from childrens hats to their shoes to men's boxer shorts and even women's panties! 
I think a straight forward Mickey Mouse comic title should be no less of a winner than WDC&S, but also in the prestige format. I think the prefered solution therefore would be separate Mickey and Donald prestige comics. It was with about issue 600 of WDC&S and about issue 300 of Uncle Scrooge, that Bruce Hamilton decided to take the plunge and convert both of these to prestige comics.
Using the prestige format, not only would the MM and DD titles continue, but in effect we would have a combination of the old format with the take-along format, allowing a mix of reprints and new longer stories. 
( However even though there has been silence from the Gemstone staff,  I believe that the Garfield and Peanuts type newspaper reprints would still be the most popular for volume sales-- alas one can hope.) 
Marvin Winitz
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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Tue Dec  5 17:57:05 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:57:05 -0500
Subject: Gemstone rumors or gossip?
Message-ID: <003701c7188e$64e217f0$9421ef18@deanmary>

Rich Johnston produces a weekly online column called "Lying in the Gutters".  In his words, "In its various forms, Lying In The Gutters has covered rumors and gossip in the comics industry for twelve long glorious and quite scary years."

In this weeks column: http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
which was posted Monday afternoon he writes:

DUCK SEASON ENDS 
Gemstone have cancelled four of their ongoing Disney comics titles, and have let all their freelancers go "until things get better." A number are still owed thousands of dollars, and there has been uncertainty as to when they will be paid. Maybe February, "but we can't promise." 

Rich gives one of three lights to each story.  Once again in his words, "All stories are sourced from well-connected individuals and checked with respective publisher representatives before publication. Mostly. The veracity of each story is judged by me and given a spotlight - Green is the most reliable, Amber means there's likely an interest involved or the likelihood isn't set and Red means even I can't quite bring myself to believe it."

For what it is worth, he gives the Gemstone story a yellow light.

Of course I don't have the slightest idea if what he has written is true.  I sincerely hope it is not!  Gary and/or David may likely not want to comment on this piece of gossip at all, and I don't blame they if don't.  *If* the story is true though, it sounds like things at Gemstone may be even worse than we thought.  Just thought people on the list would like to read this "info" whether true or not.  Let's just pray that all of this is nothing more than untrue gossip!
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From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Wed Dec  6 13:19:33 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:19:33 EST
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 6
Message-ID: <391.e4f2011.32a80f55@aol.com>

Dean and Everyone: 
 
In a message dated 12/6/2006 6:15:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
dcml-request at nafsk.se writes:
 

Concerning Rich Johnston and his blurb on Gemstone.  Rich is a  known and 
admitted rumor monger.  He admits so by the use of Red,  Yellow, and Green 
traffic Lights the precede each item.  
 
Sometimes his predictions come to pass.  More often than not, they  don't -- 
or we just plain never know, or never seen any manifestation of  the issue.  
Anyone could look at a publisher's cancellation of four  out of six titles and 
pronounced that doom has swept the land.  Even some  of our own members have 
done that!  
 
It must have been a very slow rumor/news week at Marvel, DC, and the  UK 
publishers for Rich to turn his attentions to Gemstone in the first  place.  
 
I hope I'm not speaking out of class - and would rather have someone  
officially address this matter for the DCML... but how can you "let  freelancers 
go"?!  They're FREELANCERS, fer gosh sakes!  There is  naturally less work for 
everyone, when six titles become two - and that means  less freelance work.  As 
for being paid, I can report no difficulties  with the work I've done for 
Gemstone - DuckTales Texts and the Super  Goof backup to "Blotman Returns".
 
So, I think we ought to just leave Rich Johnston to his corner of  the 
blog-world (...where anyone can apparently say anything they please)  until things 
manifest themselves for real.  
 
Just as with the cancellation news, let's keep an even keel on this one as  
well.  
 
Also, I hope you all enjoyed my script for Super Goof.  I added quite  a bit 
to the original bare-bones outline I received.  Feedback is welcome,  if you'd 
like - privately or in this forum.  
 
Joe Torcivia.   
 
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From arthurdewolf at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 13:22:42 2006
From: arthurdewolf at gmail.com (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:22:42 +0100
Subject: Gemstone's website
Message-ID: <1e62e4460612060422p6d34efdena7223a07aadaea18@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm saddened to hear all the problems that Gemstone faces and the
cancellation of some of their titles. I really appreciate all the work the
Gemstone staff has done to bring us these great comics.

One way that Gemstone could improve the marketing of their comic books is to
make their website more child friendly. When you google "disney comics" the
Gemstone site is the first one to come up. That is great! However, the site
is not at all geared at kids. The homepage has been the same for years and
the opening sentence reads "Gemstone Publishing, through a licensing
agreement with Disney Publishing Worldwide, is offering a variety of comic
books featuring Disney's line of standard characters." Do kids really care
about the licensing agreement and that the comics contain 'standard
characters' ?

Compare this to for instance:

http://www.disney.it/Publishing/Topolinomagazine/
http://www.disney.de/micky-maus-magazin/
http://www.disney.no/DonaldDuck/
http://www.akuankka.fi/

These sites are flashy and contain games and up-to-date information about
upcoming issues. If kids see this it will make them nag their parents to get
them a subscription.

Note also that some of these sites are part of the local official Disney
websites. I understand it may be difficult to get a section on
www.disney.com dedicated to Gemstone's comics, but they should at least be
listed at http://disney.go.com/disneybooks/index.html to offer more exposure
and show the world there is more to Disney publications besides the Cheetah
Girls and Kim Possible.

Kind regards,
Arthur
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From francesco.spreafico at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 16:49:35 2006
From: francesco.spreafico at gmail.com (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:49:35 +0100
Subject: Interview with Casty
Message-ID: <022501c7194e$23759380$4500a8c0@serenity>

For whoever can at least read Italian:

http://www.comicus.it/view.php?section=speciali&id=150

It's an interview with Casty (The current best Disney author, IMHO).

Francesco

From TheGuy at DrawsOn.Com  Wed Dec  6 19:44:25 2006
From: TheGuy at DrawsOn.Com (Dave Rawson)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:44:25 -0800
Subject: Fans To Freelancers!
In-Reply-To: <391.e4f2011.32a80f55@aol.com>
References: <391.e4f2011.32a80f55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <45770F89.3000309@DrawsOn.Com>

JTorci3511 at aol.com wrote:

> Also, I hope you all enjoyed my script for Super Goof.  I added quite a 
> bit to the original bare-bones outline I received.  Feedback is welcome, 
> if you'd like - privately or in this forum. 

Joe, congratulations on your work!

I still remember the great happiness I had when I first began with the 
Disney characters and can easily imagine your delight.

Since I'm hardly in the loop on who is doing what, are there other fans 
here who have seen this dream finally come true for themselves?



From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Thu Dec  7 01:19:46 2006
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:19:46 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 5
Message-ID: <120720060019.1040.45775E21000E9994000004102207001641CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

I'll also cast a vote in favor of a third (at least) prestige title of the "Mickey and Donald" variety.  (I guess calling it "Mickey and Donald and Friends" is out, eh?)  And if a third prestige title is seriously considered, Gemstone might as well go all out and consider a FOURTH (to maintain a "one per week" release schedule, with "odd weeks out" being reserved for special releases such as the planned quarterlies).  This fourth prestige could be the "Treasures" title, limiting its repertoire to classic stories from America that have not seen print in many years.  What better place could there be, for example, to put some of the long Scarpa stories that had just begun to appear in the pockets on a semi-regular basis before the latter's untimely demise... and I wouldn't mind seeing additional installments in the "Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest" series there as well.

David, John, Gary, et al. deserve all sorts of credit for keeping this thing going... and even more to the point, they have shown that they're willing to listen to the fans.  

Chris Barat

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From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Thu Dec  7 13:25:00 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:25:00 EST
Subject: Thanks, Dave Rawson
Message-ID: <cd5.3a9f606.32a9621c@aol.com>

To Dave Rawson:
 
Dave writes: 
 
>>Joe, congratulations on your work!>>
 
Thanks for your very kind words!  They mean a great deal, coming from  
someone whose work I've enjoyed over the years!     

>>I still remember the great happiness I had when I first began  with the 
Disney characters and can easily imagine your  delight.>>
 
Seeing my own words in balloons over Super Goof's head was a great  thrill.  
Especially since Super Goof is one of my all time faves, and that  most of the 
later stories from Gold Key could have been written much funnier  than they 
were.  

>>Since I'm hardly in the loop on who is  doing what, are there other fans 
here who have seen this dream finally come  true for themselves?>>
 
My longtime friend Chris Barat did a wonderful translation of "The Great  
Paint Robbery" in UNCLE SCROOGE # 353.  Fellow letterhack Thad Komorowski  has 
done some dialoguing as well, including a Gyro in this year's CHRISTMAS  PARADE. 
 
 
And, as long as I'm plugging, everyone on this list should check out Dave's  
"The Dragon that Swallows Its Tail" in Gemstone's dear, departed MICKEY MOUSE  
ADVENTURES # 6.  This is an excellent example of Dave's work, with some  nice 
connections to Gottfredson as well!  
 
Joe Torcivia.  




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From asaramelli at ig.com.br  Fri Dec  8 21:56:55 2006
From: asaramelli at ig.com.br (asaramelli)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:56:55 -0200
Subject: ENC: Editora Abril and Disney Brasil sites
Message-ID: <20061208_205655_012396.asaramelli@ig.com.br>

Hi Arthur, Hi all friends ! 


Here in South, we have the same situation for the brazilian Disney comics 
site. 
The "Abril Jovem" site appearence is very poor and the Disney comics are 
dimmed by many other products for very young childrens, female, and 
cinema-related products. 

Compare this : 
http://jovem.abril.com.br/ 

Last year, I wrote for the Ed. Abril and I reported another 
problem:  You have the option to sign a newsletter, but the problem is the 
newsletter never was sent. After my contact, they really sent five or six 
newsletters, but the Disney comics were not the evidence products ! 

They also opened a space for short news, but it is used for the most part of 
the time for notice related with Disney cinema, not for comics. 

The situation for the Disney Brasil Site is nonsense worst. 
While you have a very good comics area with a Duckburg simulation in the 
Disney Italia, we see a very small area for Disney comics in Brazil. And 
even the covers are not changed since December 2005 ! 

http://www.disney.com.br/leitura/index_flash.html 

So, the marketing improvements are needed not only for the USA, 
The lack of attention with the fans of Comics Disney of North and 
South Americas is incompressible ! 

Alexandre 
S?o Paulo 
Brazil 





Arthur wrote : 
================================================== 

I'm saddened to hear all the problems that Gemstone faces and the 
cancellation of some of their titles. I really appreciate all the work the 
Gemstone staff has done to bring us these great comics. 

One way that Gemstone could improve the marketing of their comic books is to 
make their website more child friendly. When you google "disney comics" the 
Gemstone site is the first one to come up. That is great! However, the site 
is not at all geared at kids. The homepage has been the same for years and 
the opening sentence reads "Gemstone Publishing, through a licensing 
agreement with Disney Publishing Worldwide, is offering a variety of comic 
books featuring Disney's line of standard characters." Do kids really care 
about the licensing agreement and that the comics contain 'standard 
characters' ? 

Compare this to for instance: 

http://www.disney.it/Publishing/Topolinomagazine/ 
http://www.disney.de/micky-maus-magazin/ 
http://www.disney.no/DonaldDuck/ 
http://www.akuankka.fi/ 

These sites are flashy and contain games and up-to-date information about 
upcoming issues. If kids see this it will make them nag their parents to get 
them a subscription. 

Note also that some of these sites are part of the local official Disney 
websites. I understand it may be difficult to get a section onwww.disney.com 
dedicated to Gemstone's comics, but they should at least be listed at 
http://disney.go.com/disneybooks/index.html to offer more exposure and show 
the world there is more to Disney publications besides the Cheetah Girls and 
Kim Possible. 

Kind regards, 
Arthur 



From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  9 04:09:35 2006
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 03:09:35 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 8 (Now Museum, Now You Don't)
Message-ID: <120920060309.22825.457A28EF00048186000059292205884484CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

Joe wrote (to Dave Rawson):

> Seeing my own words in balloons over Super Goof's head was a great thrill. 
> Especially since Super Goof is one of my all time faves, and that most of the 
> later stories from Gold Key could have been written much funnier than they 
> were. 

I loved Joe's script.  I don't think one could come much closer than that, in this day and age, to the spirit of the "Vic Lockman-era" SUPER GOOF scripts at their funniest (and zaniest).  By contrast, when I did my translation of "The Great Paint Robbery" away back when -- I was in grad school at the time, in the late 80s -- I was more than a bit influenced by DUCKTALES, to the extent that I slipped in some "Quackaroonies!" and "Aye lads" along the way.  

Chris
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From nils at math.uio.no  Sun Dec 10 14:12:57 2006
From: nils at math.uio.no (nils at math.uio.no)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:12:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Hall of Fame hardcover book #15: Tony Strobl
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1165749182.3457.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1165749182.3457.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <47870.85.166.8.219.1165756377.squirrel@webmail.uio.no>


Perhaps this forum has discussed this particular event
earlier, but here goes: I'm very pleased to finally see
*a Tony Strobl book*. I believe that besides Barks, Strobl
was among the best liked and most influential Disney
comics artists in the late 1950ies and throughout the
1960ies, at least for Scandinavian readers.

The book in question is Volume #15 in Egmont's very
good "Hall of Fame" series. The book has 182 pages,
and has scholarly informative introductions by Germund
von Wowern and Karl-Erik Lindkvist.  We even learn
that Strobl saved a seven-year old girl from drowning
in 1942 ...

For its contents, see
   http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/no/HOF++15 .
See also
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Strobl

Nils Lid Hjort



From robertmhutchings at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 11 01:41:52 2006
From: robertmhutchings at yahoo.com (Robert Hutchings)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:41:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Joe Torcivia's "Now Museum, Now You Don't"
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1165749182.3457.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <254742.19108.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Chris wrote:

> I loved Joe's script.  I don't think one could come
> much closer than that, in this day and age, to the
> spirit of the "Vic Lockman-era" SUPER GOOF scripts
> at their funniest (and zaniest).  

I write:

On the quality of Joe's story, I agree 100%. It was
very well done, and if I may be so bold, I hope we can
see Joe more often (and more SuperGoof, for that
matter--perhaps in this hypothetical Mickey and Donald
prestige?). I'm not so familiar with SuperGoof
specifically, but I am with Vic Lockman, and Joe nails
him. Some, I suppose, would beg to differ, but for me
Lockman reflects the highlight of post-Barks writing.
Without taking anything away from post-Lockman
SuperGoof or Goofy writers, I think most don't capture
as well that character's personality. By sticking
closely to Lockman's style, Joe really does a fine job
of fully developing SuperGoof. For those who haven't
read it, I urge you to do so. For what it's worth, the
McGreals' Blotman sequel isn't too shabby either.

Robert Hutchings


 
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From timoro at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 11 02:55:12 2006
From: timoro at hotmail.com (Timo Ronkainen)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:55:12 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
Message-ID: <BAY117-DAV13F013140B08C575616211CDD00@phx.gbl>

To Don Rosa, or anyone who could answer my question:

In his introduction to the first episode of The Life and Times of $crooge 
McDuck Don says:
"I regard any $crooge tale not written by Barks to be apocryphal. However in 
UNCLE $CROOGE #50 there was a story drawn by Tony Strobl which showed a 
young $crooge earning his first dime by cleaning a ditchdigger's boots."

Yet I can not find such story in US 50, as I search the Inducks. Has Don 
done some typo or other error there?

Best Wishes
Timo

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From germund_vw at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 11 13:40:20 2006
From: germund_vw at yahoo.com (Germund von Wowern)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:40:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1165835582.15261.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <654256.12155.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> However in UNCLE $CROOGE #50 there was a story drawn
by Tony
> Strobl which showed a young $crooge earning his
first dime by
> cleaning a ditchdigger's boots."
> 
> Yet I can not find such story in US 50,

It should be the one below, but now I see in Inducks
that one page is apparently cut from the US
versions... Someone could perhaps check again.

http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/S+63099

/Germund


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From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Mon Dec 11 17:08:57 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:08:57 +0100
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
In-Reply-To: <BAY117-DAV13F013140B08C575616211CDD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56019544EF@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

Timo: 

> In his introduction to the first episode of The Life and 
> Times of $crooge McDuck Don says:
> "I regard any $crooge tale not written by Barks to be 
> apocryphal. However in 
> UNCLE $CROOGE #50 there was a story drawn by Tony Strobl 
> which showed a 
> young $crooge earning his first dime by cleaning a 
> ditchdigger's boots."
> 
> Yet I can not find such story in US 50, as I search the 
> Inducks. Has Don done some typo or other error there?

Don was mistaken. The story is "The Invisible Intruder" in Uncle Scrooge
#44.
Written by Vic Lockman.

--Harry.

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From harry.fluks at tno.nl  Mon Dec 11 18:21:05 2006
From: harry.fluks at tno.nl (Fluks, H.W. (Harry))
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:21:05 +0100
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
In-Reply-To: <BAY117-DAV3B4556D4EE03CDAD523B6CDD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D5601954531@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>

> > "The Invisible Intruder" in Uncle Scrooge #44.
> 
> Yes, in that story we have scene where kid Scrooge cleans 
> boots, but it is not drawn by Strobl.

Oops. Yes, sorry.

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From timoro at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 11 16:51:22 2006
From: timoro at hotmail.com (Timo Ronkainen)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:51:22 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50
References: <654256.12155.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY117-DAV31242518C7E67CCEAC837CDD00@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Germund von Wowern":
> It should be the one below, but now I see in Inducks
> that one page is apparently cut from the US
> versions... Someone could perhaps check again.
>
> http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/S+63099

Finnish edition has 8 pages (therefore two missing) and it has no scene 
depicting Scrooge as young lad. Perhaps in those two pages?
Don Rosa sent me a message that the story in question might be in Donald 
Duck #50, but according to Inducks it has no stories by Strobl. Only cover.
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/us/DD+++50

Timo

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From timoro at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 11 18:04:07 2006
From: timoro at hotmail.com (Timo Ronkainen)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:04:07 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
References: <42F3BE57026C6E49B09E267EEF639D56019544EF@ms-dt01thalia.tsn.tno.nl>
Message-ID: <BAY117-DAV3B4556D4EE03CDAD523B6CDD00@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fluks, H.W. (Harry)" <harry.fluks at tno.nl>
>Don was mistaken. The story is "The Invisible Intruder" in Uncle Scrooge
>#44.

Yes, in that story we have scene where kid Scrooge cleans boots, but it is 
not drawn by Strobl.

Timo 


From timoro at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 11 21:07:41 2006
From: timoro at hotmail.com (Timo Ronkainen)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:07:41 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50
References: <944262.15486.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY117-DAV9FDFA0AB6D6C36D08F105CDD00@phx.gbl>

Hi!

Oh! Finnish edition is two pages shorter than original! It must be in that missing page. No wonder why I didn't find it. Thanks!
German Micky Maus had it complete?

Timo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Germund von Wowern 
  Anyway, in the complete 10-page version it's on page 3. In the first page US is feeling bored in his office, in the second page he visits a doctor who can find nothing wrong with him and not even a stroll in the money vault cheers him up. Then, in the first panel of page 3, he discovers his No. 1, and begins to dream about times past and the "romantic" moment he earned his first dime. So, the dime-earning moment is on page 3, panel 2, in the full version.
  /Germund
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From gdavid at gemstonepub.com  Mon Dec 11 22:51:44 2006
From: gdavid at gemstonepub.com (David Gerstein)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:51:44 -0500
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
Message-ID: <BC2665743C17384DA985DFC38E76AABD01C78090@dcdtimexcsrv.diamondcomics.com>

	Here's Timo:

	"In his introduction to the first episode of The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck Don says:
	'I regard any $crooge tale not written by Barks to be apocryphal. However in UNCLE $CROOGE #50 there was a story drawn by Tony Strobl which showed a young $crooge earning his first dime by cleaning a ditchdigger's boots.'
	"Yet I can not find such story in US 50, as I search the Inducks. Has Don done some typo or other error there?"

	Here's Germund:

	"It should be [S 63099], but now I see in Inducks that one page is apparently cut from the US versions... Someone could perhaps check again."
	And here's Harry:

	"Don was mistaken. The story is "The Invisible Intruder" in Uncle Scrooge #44. Written by Vic Lockman."

	Now here's me:

	Don was correct. The story is indeed the Strobl-drawn S 63099, "Chairman of the Bored"/"Getting That Healthy Wealthy Feeling," published in the USA in US 50.
	On page 3 of both the original S-coded version and the cut USA version, you *do* see young Scrooge shining the ditchdigger's shoes and earning his dime. "When he pressed that dime into my sweaty little palm, I was the happiest young duck in the world!"
	The page that was cut out in the USA edition comes from later in the story and has no effect on the dime-earning sequence.

	"Invisible Intruder" does show young Scrooge shining shoes as well, but has no bearing on the actual earning of the dime. Don's text was correct.

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From stratocruiser at cox.net  Tue Dec 12 01:58:26 2006
From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:58:26 -0800
Subject: Scrooge the shoe-shine boy in Uncle Scrooge 50
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1165835582.15261.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <000601c71d88$a18bcd00$6401a8c0@Phoenix>

Timo wrote:
> Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
> In his introduction to the first episode of The Life and 
> Times of $crooge 
> McDuck Don says:
> "I regard any $crooge tale not written by Barks to be 
> apocryphal. However in 
> UNCLE $CROOGE #50 there was a story drawn by Tony Strobl 
> which showed a 
> young $crooge earning his first dime by cleaning a 
> ditchdigger's boots."
> 
> Yet I can not find such story in US 50, as I search the 
> Inducks. Has Don 
> done some typo or other error there?
> 

The story was "Getting that Healthy, Wealthy Feeling," S 63099 by Fallberg,
Strobyl, and Eringer, page 3, panel 2.

Carey Furlong
Dana Point, California
 
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Sheer momentum carries them the rest of the way through. Obsession is
something that can happen to even the strongest person, and for the best of
motives.  Timothy Zahn - Outbound Flight



From john at lastkisscomics.com  Tue Dec 12 09:06:28 2006
From: john at lastkisscomics.com (John Lustig)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:06:28 -0800
Subject: Joe Torcivia's story
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2051.1165909780.3582.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <C1A3A304.148B6%john@lastkisscomics.com>

Congratulations in advance to my pal, Joe, for his story. I?m behind in my
Gemstone reading. Which comic and issue is it in?

Best Wishes,
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From timoro at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 12 11:18:18 2006
From: timoro at hotmail.com (Timo Ronkainen)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:18:18 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?
References: <BC2665743C17384DA985DFC38E76AABD01C78090@dcdtimexcsrv.diamondcomics.com>
Message-ID: <BAY117-DAV5518DC16B72484090C035CDD70@phx.gbl>

RE: Don Rosa Strobl US#50?Finnish edition of the story is shortened by two pages, so the dime earning scene is missing. No wonder why I was puzzled! Thanks for all who helped!

Timo
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Gerstein 
  the ditchdigger's shoes and earning his dime. "When he pressed that dime into my sweaty little palm, I was the happiest young duck in the world!"
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From smalley58au at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 12 13:41:49 2006
From: smalley58au at yahoo.com (Mark Small)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:41:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Strobl story and some censorship in a Barks' story
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2051.1165909780.3582.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <20061212124149.63820.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Just when I thought I may contribute to the List, and
some "50" people beat me to it! :-). That Strobl story
about how Scrooge earned his first dime as a boy, was
called "Getting that Healthy, Wealthy Feeling" in
Australia, and was printed in issue No. 312 in 1972 as
a 9 page story. I say 9 pages, because the Australian
publishers often used to cut panels, or whole pages.

Now this gives me a chance to talk about something
that I came accross quite recently, another case of
censorship for one of Barks' stories, by Disney. It
concerns "Island in the Sky", where Scrooge and the
boys set out to find a safe storage location for his
money within the asteroid belt, out beyond Mars.

I'm an irregular reader of the mailing list, and I
know there has been some discussion about changes in
Barks' stories, particularly "The Treasure of Marco
Polo"  for cultural sensitivities, but I don't know if
anyone has talked about "Island in the Sky".

I am comparing US 268 (Disney - July 1992) to my
original, Australian, printing of the story, which
came out in issue G480 (1970).

I guess like other stories such as "Land of the Pygmy
Indians" and Rosa's "War of the Wendigo", the intent
has not to offend the Native American peoples. Some
examples of changes to the dialog within this story
are:

Scrooge says, when encountering the aliens for the
first time (p11):

"They kneel like the American savages kneeled to
Columbus!"

In the US 268 printing he says: 

"They kneel like the ancient savages kneeled to
explorers!"


Likewise when held captive in the cave, HD&L say(p
14):

"What are these asteroid Apaches jabbering about?"

Rather than (US 268): "What are these asteroid aliens
jabbering about?"

And Scrooge later says (p 15):

"I'll let the chief Mohawk have this big watermelon."

Rather than (US 268): "I'll let the chief savage have
this big watermelon."

Interestingly other references comparing the asteroid
aliens to Native Americans go unchanged. Namely:

"Poor, hungry, little Siwashes!" (p 15)

"We have to abandon these little Apaches to their
rotton luck!" (p 16)

I hope someone else finds that interesting.


Regards,

Mark Small
(Australia)

 






 
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From marc.newman at comcast.net  Wed Dec 13 18:19:29 2006
From: marc.newman at comcast.net (Marc Newman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:19:29 -0800
Subject: Island in the Sky
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1166008383.4891.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1166008383.4891.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <45803621.7000701@comcast.net>


>I am comparing US 268 (Disney - July 1992) to my
>original, Australian, printing of the story, which
>came out in issue G480 (1970).
>
>....
>  
>

>I hope someone else finds that interesting.
>
>  
>
I found it interesting!  I guess I can see the logic behind those 
changes. Thanks for posting.

December is definitely the Disney-est month for us.  Lots of great 
childhood stories floating in as people search for comics that meant a 
lot to them as kids or are buying gifts for people who remember them fondly.

We also finally graded and listed a batch of Disney Wheaties premiums 
(mini-comics) and they were fun to read.  Boy, I'm not sure if those 
were taped to the boxes or what but they are in much worse shape than 
your average Disney comic from the early 50s, that's for sure.

Hope everyone is having a great December,
Marc Newman
www.HouseofComics.com
"Super-Selection of Silver and Bronze Age Comics"

From timoro at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 13 18:56:43 2006
From: timoro at hotmail.com (Timo Ronkainen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:56:43 +0200
Subject: Wheaties
References: <mailman.0.1166008383.4891.dcml@nafsk.se>
	<45803621.7000701@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY117-DAV3AA7686CE731CB4E73F67CDD60@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Newman" <marc.newman at comcast.net>
> We also finally graded and listed a batch of Disney Wheaties premiums
> (mini-comics) and they were fun to read.

Modest and kind request to Gemstone: facsimile collection of these rare mini 
comics in one volume. It surely would be fun. Who owns rights? Disney? 
Cereal company? Western?

Best Wishes
Timo 


From m_schartau at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 14 17:12:34 2006
From: m_schartau at hotmail.com (Michael Schartau)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:12:34 +0100
Subject: Disney Christmas
References: <mailman.0.1166008383.4891.dcml@nafsk.se>
	<45803621.7000701@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-DAV10222B3F9CAB902C0F51DDF6D50@phx.gbl>

>
From: "Marc Newman":
:....................................
December is definitely the Disney-est month for us.
..................................................
Hope everyone is having a great December,
Marc Newman

>
>

Here in Sweden I feel that is specially true. Before cable and satelite, in
the 60's and 70's, we were only allowd one houre of  Disney a year, on
Christmas Eve. That is wy most families is watching the Donald Chrismas show
on Christmas Eve every Year, although the young ones, used to Disney Chanel
think it is a silly tradition.

We went to a Christmas consert in Stockholm with an English friend a few
years back and he was amazed of the number of Disney tunes that were
performed in the concert.

Best Christmas  and New Year greetings.

/Michael



From schulte at teacher.com  Fri Dec 15 14:11:07 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:11:07 -0500
Subject: Carl Barks Christmas Stories
Message-ID: <20061215131107.9B89E478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

  Michael Schartau's comments from Sweden were interesting.  I just
  wanted to add that it is too bad the Carl Barks Christmas stories,
  like A Christmas for Shacktown and A Letter to Santa were never
  animated so they could reach a larger audience world-wide.

  Do we know if Walt Disney himself kept track of Barks' comic
  stories?  Is it possible he did not know these stories?  I have never
  had the opportunity to read much about Barks in a biography, but I
  have not read anything yet about Walt Disney himself following the
  Barks comic books.

  I can understand the business descendants of Disney not recognizing
  greatness and an opportunity, since they have made some really bad
  decisions throughout the decades.  I would find it odd that Disney
  himself, after reading some of Barks' stories, would not have used
  them for a movie or for cartoons.  Of course, the TV era was changing
  things, and if he did know the stories, perhaps he thought they were
  not "big" enough in the "Sleeping Beauty" fashion to attract people
  into a theater. (Sleeping Beauty lost money when it first came out.)

  On the other hand, with the 80's Duck Tales TV show much of this was
  rectified!

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From ajanstv at pt.lu  Sat Dec 16 15:10:20 2006
From: ajanstv at pt.lu (jans arsene)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:10:20 +0100
Subject: Scrooge's Doubles
Message-ID: <000501c7211b$ecdd2ce0$2101a8c0@jans>

hello

I've a long time nothing heard about you

Waht is with your tree?
Have you found new scans as Rockerducks brothers or Daisy's niece ?
And when came your explanatot table online?
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From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Sat Dec 16 18:05:04 2006
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:05:04 -0300
Subject: Carl Barks Christmas Stories
In-Reply-To: <20061215131107.9B89E478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20061215131107.9B89E478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <45842740.4030704@oeste.com.ar>

Remember that slogan... "Garbo speaks!"? Well, we need an era in 
animation when Donald will speaks. Donald, like the character we know 
from the comics of Carl Barks and Don Rosa is a complex, fantastic 
character to be animated.

I would love to see animated stories like The Milkman or 
W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.

Maybe we must expect the future days of Donald and Mickey in public 
domain, so a big animation company will make better cartoons from the 
most greated stories. :-P

FABIO
("hey, officer, let me go... was a joke!!)




Leo Schulte escribi?:
>
>     Michael Schartau's comments from Sweden were interesting.  I just
>     wanted to add that it is too bad the Carl Barks Christmas stories,
>     like /A Christmas for Shacktown /and /A Letter to Santa /were
>     never animated so they could reach a larger audience world-wide.
>
>


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From andrae at california.com  Sat Dec 16 18:41:07 2006
From: andrae at california.com (Thomas Andrae)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:41:07 -0800
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1166267582.18451.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1166267582.18451.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <0C6FD5C9-98AD-42D3-B9F5-F4080F18080A@california.com>

Regarding Barks and Walt Disney.  Yes, Disney was reading Barks'  
stories, for a certain period of time.  This fact is documented in my  
book about Bakrs, and the way in which Disney preserved the integrity  
of disney comics and saved Barks' work from interference,   Please  
see--Carl Barks and the Disney Comic Book:Unmasking the Myth of  
Modernity.

Sincerely,

Thomas Andrae
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>   Michael Schartau's comments from Sweden were interesting.  I just
>   wanted to add that it is too bad the Carl Barks Christmas stories,
>   like A Christmas for Shacktown and A Letter to Santa were never
>   animated so they could reach a larger audience world-wide.
>
>   Do we know if Walt Disney himself kept track of Barks' comic
>   stories?  Is it possible he did not know these stories?  I have  
> never
>   had the opportunity to read much about Barks in a biography, but I
>   have not read anything yet about Walt Disney himself following the
>   Barks comic books.
>
>   I can understand the business descendants of Disney not recognizing
>   greatness and an opportunity, since they have made some really bad
>   decisions throughout the decades.  I would find it odd that Disney
>   himself, after reading some of Barks' stories, would not have used
>   them for a movie or for cartoons.  Of course, the TV era was  
> changing
>   things, and if he did know the stories, perhaps he thought they were
>   not "big" enough in the "Sleeping Beauty" fashion to attract people
>   into a theater. (Sleeping Beauty lost money when it first came out.)
>
>   On the other hand, with the 80's Duck Tales TV show much of this was
>   rectified!
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From methanal at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 02:28:08 2006
From: methanal at gmail.com (Herbert Snorrason)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:28:08 +0000
Subject: Carl Barks Christmas Stories
In-Reply-To: <45842740.4030704@oeste.com.ar>
References: <20061215131107.9B89E478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<45842740.4030704@oeste.com.ar>
Message-ID: <c1b582150612171728q2390b6f3u5276e18f66215751@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/12/06, Fabio Blanco <longtom at oeste.com.ar> wrote:
>  I would love to see animated stories like The Milkman or
> W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.
Whee! That would be neat.

>  Maybe we must expect the future days of Donald and Mickey in public domain,
> so a big animation company will make better cartoons from the most greated
> stories. :-P
>From the precedent established by the U.S. Copyright Term Extension
Act of 1998 (perhaps better referred to as the "Mickey Mouse
Protection Act") I sadly suspect such a time to be a very long way off
- unless groups such as the Free Software Foundation or Creative
Commons make considerable gains in the coming next few years.

In addition to that, it must be noted that the stories themselves are
also bound up by copyright, so that even though the *characters*
could, from a copyright (as I recall, at least some of them are also
subject to trademark protection - which is indefinite) perspective, be
used freely, the same doesn't have to apply to the stories which we'd
like to see animated. So the issue really is a rather complex one. :(

-- 
Schw?che zeigen hei?t verlieren;
h?rte hei?t regieren.
  - "Glas und Tr?nen", Megaherz


From schulte at teacher.com  Sun Dec 17 12:30:24 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:30:24 -0500
Subject: Thomas Andrae's Answer
Message-ID: <20061217113024.E1EC51BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>

Many thanks and quacks to Thomas Andrae for answering my question on Walt
Disney and Carl Barks!  I will look for his book.

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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Tue Dec 19 01:22:09 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:22:09 -0500
Subject: November Gemstone sales and some thoughts
Message-ID: <001401c72303$b8e68e60$9421ef18@deanmary>

At this link: http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/nov06sales.html

you can find the sales figures for the top 300 comics in North America.  I took a link at how the Gemstone titles did and thought I would share a few thoughts.

Before I go any further though, I realize the Gary has said that these figures may not be very accurate, and also that these sales estimates are just that: *estimates*.  Still, it is all I have to go on.  Here are how the 7 titles sold:

Uncle Scrooge # 360 -- 4600 issues
Donald Duck and Friends #346 -- 4500 issues
Mickey Mouse and Friends # 295 -- 4200 issues
Walt Disney's Christmas Parade # 4 --3800 issues
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories # 674 -- 3700 issues
Donald Duck Adventures # 21 - 2500 issues
Mickey Mouse Adventures #12 -- 2300 issues

A couple things I noticed.  Not counting the "pocket book" titles, the 5 other titles had fairly similar sales figures.  I think that that is a very good thing.  What it seems to say to me is that people who buy the Gemstone titles non-pocket book titles *tend* to buy all of these Gemstone issues.  Yes there is a difference from Uncle Scrooge with 4600 to WDC&S with 3700, but in the scheme of things, that is not a huge difference.  Just look at some the sales figures for DC and Marvel.  It is not uncommon at all for the highest selling DC and Marvel title each month to sell *5* times more than some of their lesser selling titles.  So overall, Gemstone deserves a lot of credit for keeping the sales for all 4 of the regular monthly titles near each other.

Interestingly enough, the lowest selling title, WDC&S, is one of the two Gemstone is keeping.  I understand that though in that it is the longest selling Disney title, it is already a prestige format title, and allows for the widest body of stories of the 4 titles. 

The sales figures also seem to show that it was not the sales of DDAF and MMAF that got them cancelled, but that financially Gemstone could no longer support stories in such a format.  That brings me back to the idea I am perhaps pounding into the ground: how about a *3rd* monthly prestige "Donald and Mickey" title?  The sales estimates seems to support the idea that there would be a market for it, plus since it was in a prestige format, Gemstone could actually make a profit on it each month.  If Gemstone did not want to upset the numbering of DDAF and MMAF, it could easily make each a bi-monthly title, keep the numbering, and still have a 3rd prestige titles coming out each month.  To me, the idea of such a 3rd monthly prestige title seems like a "no-brainer".  I am sure though that Gary or David could explain why it is not such an easy thing though.  I would still love to hear from either of you why you think this might not work and/or why such a 3rd title is not in the works.  Feel free to demonstrate to the whole list how little I know about comic book publishing! :)  And of course, I still would like to hear from more people on the list with their thoughts on a monthly 3rd prestige title.

It looks like there *are* some problems with the two "pocket book" titles.  They were not selling near as well as the other Gemstone titles.  Just speaking personally, I tended to like the stories in these two titles the least.  Not that there weren't any good stories, and of course I liked the Scarpa stories in them, but on the whole I was underwhelmed by them.  So perhaps when Gemstone starts its "Shonen Jump" style B&W title they could focus on some of the classic Scarpa and other stories that have never been printed in North America before.

One other idea for future Gemstone TPBs: collections of Gottfredson stories.  While I am excited that Gemstone is publishing the Mickey "Foreign Legion" story and will be publishing "The Gleam" later on this year in WDC&S, I can't help but think how great these stories would have made for a Walt Disney Treasures TPB.  This way they would have been collected all in one place and you wouldn't A: have to wait 4 months to read the whole story and B: go through 4 separate issues each time you wanted to reread it.  So hopefully we will see some Gottfredson TPBs in the near future.

Dean Rekich

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From schulte at teacher.com  Wed Dec 20 19:12:42 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:12:42 -0500
Subject: Marketing
Message-ID: <20061220181242.8EE491158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

Many thanks to Dean Rekich for his comments!

Again, the marketing of these comic books does not seem to be done
properly.  At Borders or Barnes and Noble there are large racks of comic
books with the usual superhero stuff, and the only "funny" comics are
Archie, The Simpsons, and amazingly (I saw this recently) Futurama, a
defunct cartoon show with a rough semi-obscene edge like the Simpsons. 
Futurama has been off the air for several years, and could not possibly
have the "recognition factor" of Donald Duck and company.  (Young kids
should not know this show!)

Where were the Disney Comics???  Why are they not placed in the
Children's Books or somewhere at such chain outlets?

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From steamboat.willie at chello.se  Wed Dec 20 19:40:10 2006
From: steamboat.willie at chello.se (Bror Hellman)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:40:10 +0100
Subject: SV: November Gemstone sales and some thoughts
In-Reply-To: <001401c72303$b8e68e60$9421ef18@deanmary>
Message-ID: <NCBBLIECMHEIGPAJIDKIIEJFMJAB.steamboat.willie@chello.se>

> One other idea for future Gemstone TPBs: collections of Gottfredson
stories.

I can't tell if there's a market for it or not, but I know that *I* would do
my outmost to buy a hard-cover collection of _all_ Mickey Mouse dailies and
sundays.

Gottfredson collections of individual Story-lines would be great too. I have
a few old Gladstone collections, but there are many not published collected
still out there.

  // Steamboat Willie


From haavaei at online.no  Wed Dec 20 21:26:18 2006
From: haavaei at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5var_Eide?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:26:18 +0100
Subject: SV: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1166613182.429.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <200612202026.kBKKQCW1006423@mail43.nsc.no>

Hello out there - Norway calling!
 I am working on a complete index over all the american Disney comics issued
in America. This is a sort of a colleting  index, where you can tick out the
issues you have and state the quality of the comic. All covers are pictured
in the index from the first to the late nineties for the 4 main series - and
all other covers up till today is also pictured in the indeks. 
But I have som problems with the MOVIE COMICS - so if anybody have
informations about this series - please make contact.
H?var Eide - he at an.no
So far the index is about 200 pages in A4-format, and I an gonna publish it
in the spring.



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From spe at inducks.org  Thu Dec 21 09:39:37 2006
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:39:37 +0900
Subject: SV: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 19
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On 2006-12-21 05:26, H?var Eide wrote:
>  I am working on a complete index over all the american Disney comics issued
> in America. This is a sort of a colleting  index, where you can tick out the
> issues you have and state the quality of the comic. All covers are pictured
> in the index from the first to the late nineties for the 4 main series - and
> all other covers up till today is also pictured in the indeks. 
> But I have som problems with the MOVIE COMICS - so if anybody have
> informations about this series - please make contact.

In which way is this any different to what is already provided by Inducks?  For
the ticking part you can use COA's comics collecting function:
http://coa.inducks.org/account.php

The only difference I noticed was the availability of images (Inducks doesn't
provide any images), but if anyone needs any images, that person could look them
up in a separate data base, such as Outducks.

Stefan


From bangfish at cableone.net  Thu Dec 21 17:26:00 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:26:00 -0700
Subject: Third prestige
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Message-ID: <5F684065-D6A8-4D27-8A32-0C54AB5D5E43@cableone.net>

Dean:

> The sales figures also seem to show that it was not the sales of  
> DDAF and MMAF that got them cancelled, but that financially  
> Gemstone could no longer support stories in such a format.  That  
> brings me back to the idea I am perhaps pounding into the ground:  
> how about a *3rd* monthly prestige "Donald and Mickey" title? ... I  
> am sure though that Gary or David could explain why it is not such  
> an easy thing though.

In a way, the "easy" part would be to simply launch a third prestige  
book. All of the mechanics, so to speak, are in place to do so. The  
main question is just what title that should be - Mickey and Donald,  
Donald and Mickey, or perhaps simply Donald Duck. (Mickey Mouse would  
not be a contender for this third title because Donald Duck does, as  
the very figures you cited show, have a modest sales edge.)

While a third prestige seems likely to be able to pull its weight in  
the lineup, there are more doubts about what has been referred to as  
Shonen Jump-style books. The DC Showcase and Marvel Essentials  
projects are the true market touchstones for the idea, since they  
only have retail distribution, and we need to gauge our prospective  
sales performance at least partly in comparison to those. One  
approach might be to design them to present as part of a collection,  
rather than as merely a series of periodicals, so they would have a  
potentially longer store shelf life - a big plus for this sort of  
thing. However, that means they couldn't be simple replacements for  
the pocket books, but entirely new entities with very focused  
content. And just what focus these should have would be a matter of  
no small import.

In short, there's lotsa puzzling and pondering ahead.

Gary

  
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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Sat Dec 23 02:37:14 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:37:14 -0500
Subject: Third prestige title + more
Message-ID: <002701c72632$e00cbd20$9421ef18@deanmary>

So Gary,  "there's lotsa puzzling and pondering ahead."  I think that is a good thing.  It means that the people at Gemstone are putting a lot of thought into what Gemstone wants to publish in 2007 and beyond.  While of course all of us Disney comics fans want to see new publications as soon as possible, if the new publications are not thought out well and then fail, what good is it in the end?  If it takes a bit longer to plan and figure out what the best possible publications are and thus these publications succeed, then the wait will be well worth it.  And of course Gary, please "puzzle" and "ponder" all you want if that is what it takes to get a third monthly prestige title! :)

As for what the title of a third prestige title should be, as long as there *was* a 3rd prestige title, it could be "Gary Leach's Book of Stuff" for all I care! :)  Seriously though, I think it should be whatever title Gemstone thinks would sell best.  The contents matter much more than the title to my way of thinking.

Gary, is there anything we Disney comics fans can do to help make a third prestige title a reality?  Would it help if people who very much want a third monthly prestige title wrote "snail-mail" letters to Gemstone expressing our interest in this?  I know emails are much quick and common now, but have also heard that one written letter often has a bigger effect than one hundred emails.  Also, if we were to send Gemstone a letter about this subject, if there a certain person or office we should direct this letter to?

Boy, I agree that there are lots of things to consider with a "Shonen Jump" style title.  I must admit I don't have a lot of ideas on that one, other than they should contain more than just the type of stories that were in DDA and MMA since they did not sell as well.  Once again, whatever has the best chance for good sales is probably they way to go.  Of course what stories, format, etc. that would cause good sales is the $64,000 question...

At this time I would like to wish everyone at Gemstone and everyone on this mailing list the very merriest Christmas!  I know the end of 2006 has been a hard time for Gemstone, but I hope 2007 and beyond are much brighter!

I have been a member of this mailing list for about 10 years now.  99.9% of the time I am just a "lurker" and read what others have to say.  In the past few months I have written a number of times to this list.  I want to thank everyone for listening (or is that reading...) what I have had to write, and encourage other list "lurkers" to "decloak" for a bit and share their ideas too.  It has been great to hear other list members views on these subjects and hope these good give and take conversations on the mailing list continue well into the new year.

Dean Rekich

P.S.  I don't know what the new Chinese "Year of the ..." is, but perhaps we can make 2007 the "Year of the 3rd prestige title"!  Hey, it can't hurt! :)

    
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From schulte at teacher.com  Sat Dec 23 14:06:00 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:06:00 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22
Message-ID: <20061223130600.BBBF81BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>

  Recent issues of the Wall Street Journal have carried articles of
  tangential interest: on Thursday an article detailed the career of
  the recently Joseph Barbera, co-creator with William Hanna, of Tom
  and Jerry, the Flintstones, Yogi Bear, the Jetsons, etc.  Friday's
  issue had an article on Archie comic books, and how the characters
  are being re-designed.  Archie and company are similarly "frozen in
  time" like the Duckburg Universe, and there is some controversy about
  the updating of the characters.

  The article mentions that Archie isssues sell between 15,000 and
  75,000, with some digests hitting 100,000!  This is down from the
  good ol' days 50 years ago when sales of 1 million were not uncommon.

  Again, I have mentioned that Archie comics are quite visible in the
  major book stores, and at grocery stores: look at the sales numbers
  in comparison to our Disney Comics! 

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From dcml-bob at contracorner.com  Sun Dec 24 06:53:24 2006
From: dcml-bob at contracorner.com (Bob Peterson)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:53:24 -0500
Subject: Geppi's Entertainment Museum visit
Message-ID: <B849E20D-82BF-4469-98EE-E5D17E842768@contracorner.com>

Their Web site is a bit shoddy, quality wise, but the museum is quite  
good.  I saw it today while in the area visiting family for Christmas.

It's tucked away above the Sports Museum, on the same property as the  
Baltimore sports area.  $10/adult seemed fair, given how packed the  
small museum is.  I'd expect anyone under 20 to be bored stiff,  
unless they were a particular fan of an artist, character or comic  
art.  It takes up one floor.  The walls are plastered floor to  
ceiling with original posters, art, vintage comics, and other  
memorabilia.  The latter pop memorabilia kind of give it the non- 
comic museum touch.

I noticed only one original Disney strip, by Mr. Gottfredson.  There  
was a computer display that allowed me to read a Donald Duck comic (a  
very nice simulation I thought, but could have used a Mac OS X touch  
with curling pages).  I assume this was a Barks comic, but there were  
no credits on the comic or on the display.

In the store, Gemstone was given a large endcap display of all their  
books and recent comics.  I didn't see any current Marvel or DC.

I wish they'd had an -index- of the museum!  The organization was  
basically by time periods.  Otherwise, finding something specific is  
hard.  Given the large assembly, and index would help fans and  
students find items.  For example, some Shirley Temple (pop  
memorabilia) was in the main hallway, almost lost in the virtual  
comic art wallpaper.  There could have been more original Duck art  
but I missed it.  (I am also a Pogo fan, so I enjoyed checking out  
the blue pencil work behind Mr. Kelly's ink.  Saw two such originals.)

Merry Christmas, Glad Jul, Feliz Navidad, and (insert Italian  
greeting here)!
\bob
/\peterson


From schulte at teacher.com  Sun Dec 24 19:07:39 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:07:39 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 23
Message-ID: <20061224180739.9F39A1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

Merry Christmas to all around the world! 

And may Uncle Scrooge and Donald and the Duckburg Universe continue to
bring joy throughout the year!

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From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 25 00:30:05 2006
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:30:05 +0100
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 46, Issue 23
References: <20061224180739.9F39A1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <006501c727b3$71938130$0b01a8c0@SonyLaptop>

Leo:
>>>> Merry Christmas to all around the world!  

Merry Christmas & happy holidays, everyone!


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From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Wed Dec 27 01:12:52 2006
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:12:52 EST
Subject: Third Prestige Title
Message-ID: <54c.c23a0ec.32c31484@aol.com>

 
Gary Leach and Everyone: 
With regard to a third prestige title, Gary wrote: ?There?s lotsa puzzling 
and  pondering ahead?. 
Well, I would never presume to understand the intricacies  of publishing that 
exist on Gary and Gemstone?s side of the process, but on ?our  side?, as end 
consumers, the start up of a third (...and we?re not really asking  for a 
fourth, only a third) prestige title, presumably to be titled DONALD AND  MICKEY, 
DONALD DUCK AND MICKEY MOUSE, etc., seems to be the common sense  solution 
that would appear to satisfy more of us than otherwise.   
The mechanism(s) to produce a periodical in that  particular format have been 
?up and running? since the coming of Gemstone in mid  2003.  That format, 
the only  surviving one to date, would seem to be successful enough to support a 
third  title, picking up the support of the readers of the four canceled 
titles.  The content for some  never-to-be-published issues of DONALD DUCK AND 
FRIENDS, MICKEY MOUSE AND  FRIENDS, and the digests has been assembled ? or at 
least has been announced  through PREVIEWS and other venues ? and could easily 
make up the initial issues  of the new title.    
Of course, there are probably certain considerations that  may be lost, in 
our consumer?s view of the matter, but it sure seems like the  way to go from 
this perspective.   
One additional bit of perspective from ?our side?...  well, certainly my own 
personal side, would be this.   
Each time a Disney comics publisher cuts back or outright  ceases, be it Gold 
Key or Whitman ending, Gladstone I being invaded and occupied  by Disney, the 
Disney Comics Implosion, Gladstone II ending, or Gemstone  ?reducing? from 
six titles to two, there is always the feeling of something  having been taken 
away from us.  It  has been such for me, each and every time.   
Uncle Scrooge would be the first one to tell us that,  ultimately, economics 
rule the day.  ...And would be the first one to cancel his own title, if it 
failed to  perform.  I think most of us  understand and accept the market 
conditions and economic realities that are  behind the Gemstone Downsizing.   
That said, would not the oft-suggested, hypothetical  DONALD AND MICKEY 
prestige title be exactly what is needed to soften, if not  outright remove, those 
feelings of something having been taken away?  Anything we presently miss 
about DDAF,  MMAF, DDA and MMA could be a part of this new title.   
And, instead of taking chances on a format readers may or may not embrace  
(...such as the so-called ?Shonen Jump? black and white format, which I,  
personally, would not support), and the requisite set up costs and effort  
involved, Gemstone could, with nary a beat skipped, continue to serve us the  content 
we?ve lost in the format that has proven the most successful in the  
marketplace.  
It makes sense to me.  What say the rest of you?   
Oh, and thanks to Gary for being there to address our  concerns.  Contrast 
the open,  honest, and willing response from representatives of Gemstone with 
the  stonewalling and misinformation spread in the wake of the Disney Implosion 
of  1991, and you can?t help but appreciate all that these folks do for us, in 
what  must be trying times for them as well! 
Joe Torcivia  

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From schulte at teacher.com  Wed Dec 27 16:47:55 2006
From: schulte at teacher.com (Leo Schulte)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:47:55 -0500
Subject: Marketing and Stories
Message-ID: <20061227154755.6AD1A16427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

  Thanks to Joe Torciviva for his comments.

  As I have said, the marketing is curious from the consumer end!  I
  have delineated before that Disney Comics just do not have the same
  visibility as other titles.

  And ultimately, if the stories are not attracting the readers of all
  ages, you need to find better stories.  This becomes a closed circle
  with marketing problems, however, because if your stories remain
  unknown to the public, their quality is irrelevant.  The public
  cannot judge your product, if they cannot find it.

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From bangfish at cableone.net  Wed Dec 27 17:25:56 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:25:56 -0700
Subject: Pundling and Pozzering
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1167217983.23291.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1167217983.23291.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <BD805BE1-3DEE-4E33-9CCE-E5DFC2CFA9B1@cableone.net>

Joe:

> With regard to a third prestige title, Gary wrote: ?There?s lotsa  
> puzzling and pondering ahead?.

By that I was mostly referring to the Showcase/Essentials type books.  
Yes, there are things still to be decided about a third prestige  
book, but few outright obstacles. And of it's intended functions, one  
is to fill the gap left by MMF and DDF, and another, in direct  
relation, is to feature most, if not all, of the material already  
prepared for those now defunct titles.

I'm sorry that you don't see yourself supporting the Showcase/ 
Essentials type books. Admittedly, at this point I don't know if  
anyone will be afforded the opportunity to support them or not - re:  
the puzzling and pondering - but if we do bring them out, I hope  
you'll at least give them a look.

Taking off my associate-of-Gemstone hat for a moment, I've personally  
been curious about the prospect of Mickey carrying a prestige title  
of his own. Familiar as I am with Mickey's history of  
salesworthiness, and not much encouraged by it, I still can't help  
but wonder if, even so, he might not do all right in that format.  
(With said hat firmly back on the ol' noggin, I should say that no  
such title is currently being considered.)

Gary
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From deanmary at zoominternet.net  Wed Dec 27 17:47:15 2006
From: deanmary at zoominternet.net (deanmary)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:47:15 -0500
Subject: Joe's thoughts on a 3rd prestige title
Message-ID: <000f01c729d6$aa1bb070$9421ef18@deanmary>

Boy, Joe, you really hit the nail on the head in your comments!  There *is* such a feeling of loss each time and having had something taken away each time a publisher of Disney comics has bad times and cuts back (or ends) Disney comics.  I too have felt it through all the times Joe mentioned, except for Gold Key or Whitman.  Sorry, I was too young for those times, Joe! :)

If we got a 3rd prestige title it would be like going from losing 4 titles out of 6 to only 2.  And if you think about it further, it would in some ways be really like only losing one title.  I don't know about other people, but to me DDA and MMA felt like a one monthly title.  The only things different every other month was Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse before the word "Adventures" and the number of Duck or Mouse stories in each issue.  So if we were to get a 3rd prestige title, all we would be losing would be a monthly pocket book title.  While I would of course like to have it as well, I would be pleased as punch to just have a 3rd monthly prestige title!

A couple of questions for Gary or others at Gemstone.  The first one I asked before, but I will ask again:  Is there *anything* us Disney comic fans can do to make a 3rd monthly prestige title a reality.  If there is, please let us know!  Perhaps I am reading *way* too much between the lines, but when Gary last wrote the mailing list, it seemed like he and/or Gemstone was realizing some problems with a Shonen Jump style title.  If that is the case, does that make it any more likely we will see a 3rd prestige title sooner rather than later?  I will support a Shonen Jump style title as long as it is not full of re-re-reprints.  Yes, I would rather read the stories in color, but black and white is better than nothing.  However, if it came down to having either a 3rd prestige title *or* a Shonen Jump style book, I would *much* rather have the 3rd prestige title.  Of course, if things work our right, perhaps we can have both.

As with Joe, I would love to hear what others on the list think about this subject.  Even if you have never posted to the list before, please consider adding your 2 cents worth to the discussion about this topic!  And of course as always, much thanks to Gary, David, and everyone else at Gemstone for communicating with us and keeping us informed.

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From YMH at aol.com  Thu Dec 28 16:15:07 2006
From: YMH at aol.com (Yossi Horowitz)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:15:07 -0500
Subject: Pundling and Pozzering
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1167304381.13523.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.1.1167304381.13523.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <4593DF7B.6030909@aol.com>

Gary Leach <bangfish at cableone.net> wrote on 12/28/2006, 6:13 AM:

 > Taking off my associate-of-Gemstone hat for a moment, I've personally
 > been curious about the prospect of Mickey carrying a prestige title
 > of his own. Familiar as I am with Mickey's history of
 > salesworthiness, and not much encouraged by it, I still can't help
 > but wonder if, even so, he might not do all right in that format.
 > (With said hat firmly back on the ol' noggin, I should say that no
 > such title is currently being considered.)

I wonder if it might help if you gave Mickey, at least on the covers, 
the look that he carries on more mainstream licensed products -- a 
peach-colored face instead of a white one, and the character model 
that's used for him in animation, rather than that which is used for him 
in comics. (Of course, there are several of each, but you probably get 
the idea.)

For that matter, I wonder if that kind of thing -- with all of the 
characters, and even on the insides of the books -- would help the 
entire line, assuming that one of your goals is still to move it beyond 
existing Disney comics fans, into the hands of the mainstream.

-Yossi


From bangfish at cableone.net  Thu Dec 28 18:49:03 2006
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:49:03 -0700
Subject: Asked before
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1167304381.13523.dcml@nafsk.se>
References: <mailman.0.1167304381.13523.dcml@nafsk.se>
Message-ID: <1637A096-5A75-4F18-9124-811A1FAF30E2@cableone.net>

Dean:

> A couple of questions for Gary or others at Gemstone.  The first  
> one I asked before, but I will ask again:  Is there *anything* us  
> Disney comic fans can do to make a 3rd monthly prestige title a  
> reality.  If there is, please let us know!

I confess that, ponder as I have on the matter, I've hit on nothing  
reasonable that readers could do or be asked to do to help a  
publisher's efforts - and their own hopes thereby - other than buy,  
read, comment and pass the word. However, I lay no claim to having  
the final word on that - or even anything close to it.

Gary
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From francesco.spreafico at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 11:50:14 2006
From: francesco.spreafico at gmail.com (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:50:14 +0100
Subject: Pundling and Pozzering
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	<BD805BE1-3DEE-4E33-9CCE-E5DFC2CFA9B1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <00cb01c72b37$38a26170$0401a8c0@serenity>

Gary Leach wrote:

> I'm sorry that you don't see yourself supporting the Showcase/
> Essentials type books.

I'll buy two, to nullify Joe's lack of support 8-)

Seriously... I'm actually much more excited for the Showcase/Essential 
idea. I do believe that such thick/cheap paper/black and white books are 
so much better than every other format... so I hope you guys will go 
ahead with it! (I'd certainly buy a third prestige title too, of 
course).

Best,
Francesco 


From chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 29 21:42:27 2006
From: chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com (Chuck Munson)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:42:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Physical Size of Topolino Issues
Message-ID: <20061229204227.98644.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Strange topic I know, but I have an immediate need to
verify the size (height primarily) of issues of
Topolino.  A colleague is helping me to construct some
shelving tomorrow that will hold my issues of Topolino
among other things.  I want to make certain that we
construct the shelves high enough!  My own issues are
still in storage and I've been unable to locate the
boxes containing them.  So, I would be very grateful
if one of our Italian DCMLers (or anyone with issues
of Topolino) could confirm that for me.

BTW, I have been silent on the third prestige title
topic because of too many other priorities, but I
definitely would welcome that as an acceptable
alternative to the "on-hiatus" 32 pagers.  Still not
certain about this Shonen-jump style.  While I'm not
crazy about it, I do seem to remember that earlier
issues of the German digest Lustige Taschenbuch (again
in storage so I can't check) had alternating b/w and
color two-page spreads.

Happy holidays and a healthy and prosperous 2007 to
all the list members,

Chuck Munson
Herndon, Virginia, USA

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From fms27 at cam.ac.uk  Sat Dec 30 16:20:38 2006
From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:20:38 +0000
Subject: The Physical Size of Topolino Issues
In-Reply-To: <20061229204227.98644.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061229204227.98644.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <459683C6.90106@cam.ac.uk>

Hi Chuck,
good to hear from you again!

Chuck Munson wrote:
> Strange topic I know, but I have an immediate need to
> verify the size (height primarily) of issues of
> Topolino.  A colleague is helping me to construct some
> shelving tomorrow that will hold my issues of Topolino
> among other things.  I want to make certain that we
> construct the shelves high enough!  My own issues are
> still in storage and I've been unable to locate the
> boxes containing them.  So, I would be very grateful
> if one of our Italian DCMLers (or anyone with issues
> of Topolino) could confirm that for me.

The height has remained remarkably constant over the decades, at around 
185 mm. When I made my own shelving I allowed for 215 mm "floor to 
ceiling", just to have the flexibility to move other comics around if 
need be; but if you know you're going to have Topolini and nothing else 
on those shelves, you can go down to very narrow tolerances---190 mm 
would be enough (unless your shelves are so long that they sag 
significantly in the middle!).

The width, by the way, has increased slightly, from just under 135 mm in 
the 1970s to the 140 mm of today. And the thickness has of course gone 
down, though this is due also to a change in paper---issues with the 
same number of pages are now (on "magazine" paper) thinner than they 
used to be (on "newspaper" paper). But clearly neither of these would 
affect the vertical spacing of your shelves.

Best seasonal wishes to you too and family!

-- 

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